First, at least North Korea has the decency to declare a state of war, instead of waging illegal wars without the approval of congress like Bush and Obama did. Second, I'm pretty sure this nuclear deal is just propaganda, just like Iraq was supposed to have a nuclear bomb program and how Iran is supposed to have a nuclear bomb facility, which after over 10 years there is still no evidence and it can be safely classified as propaganda. Nobody in the world is stupid enough to start a nuclear war. Doing so, would be suicide. Everybody has nuclear weapons, and nobody is stupid enough to use them. Doing so would be suicide.
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they're only doing it because Clinton used to bribe them with tons of free oil when they fussed in the past.
If they were really going to kill us they'd do it out of nowhere... its the only way to come close to a chance at winning thermonuclear war and/or tic-tac-toe
(besides Kim taught his son well, you can get away with anything if you seem goofy enough. even being world endingly psychotic (Thats why they're always doing such silly things(like finding unicorns, staring in unlicenced ripoffs of rushour2 and their threats look like [this](http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/4-requirements-north-korean-propaganda-videos/))) do you think we or anybody else would have let any other country as crazy get half as close to nukes? but they seem so harmless and goofy until they kill everybody. Like a kitten with a pancake on its head walking up to your pet rabbit.
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That's karma biting you in the ass for using more parentheses.
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First, at least North Korea has the decency to declare a state of war, instead of waging illegal wars without the approval of congress like Bush and Obama did.
Apples to oranges. Declaring war does not compare to waging a pseudo-illegal war. I say pesudo-illegal since something can't be actually illegal if there's no enforcement. Also I think the United States did declare war on Iraq. Also also I'm sure that N.Korea's declaration would make a subsequent war of aggression just fine and dandy.
Second, I'm pretty sure this nuclear deal is just propaganda, just like Iraq was supposed to have a nuclear bomb program and how Iran is supposed to have a nuclear bomb facility, which after over 10 years there is still no evidence and it can be safely classified as propaganda.
Seismic detection. Intelligence gathering. Availability of nuclear technology following Soviet collapse. N.Korea spends most of its GDP on its military. Face it, they have nukes. Not good ones, but they still blow up something fierce. Or at very least it is highly possible that they do have them. That and the expected refugee crisis that would follow are the primary reasons no one hasn't simply wiped out the North Korean government, which is a thorn in everyone's ass, including China's.
Nobody in the world is stupid enough to start a nuclear war. Doing so, would be suicide. Everybody has nuclear weapons, and nobody is stupid enough to use them. Doing so would be suicide.
There's a difference between world superpowers who are at each others' throats and one backwards nation that can't even feed itself. Also, it's obvious you weren't around during that period when the world was perilously close to global nuclear exchange. Which lasted half a century.
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I know North Korea has nukes, everybody has nukes. Nobody is stupid enough to use them. I am just saying that North Korea isn't the crazy evil country that the media says they are. Only Europe, North America and Israel invades other countries these days, and they always had their eye on North Korea. North Korea is just trying to protect itself from our corrupt system.
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Troll harder. North Korea is the real deal Ninteen-Eighty-Four. I know it's hard to accept that such insane malevolence could exist in the world but it does. Similar regimes and societies existed in Nazi Germany and Soviet Union/Iron Curtain. They still exist in central and eastern Asia, Africa, and the Caribbean. I can't say yet for certain but places in eastern Europe may also still exist under totalitarian rule.
The Cult of Personality in N.Korea is very real. The crumbling infrastructure, collapsed economy, and merciless isolation and indoctrination are real. The parents eating their children out of starvation are real. The West certainly has its demons, but they still don't compare to the actual Hells On Earth that do exist on this planet, including North Korea.
North Korea is protecting itself. Or more accurately, North Korea's government is protecting itself. But not from 'our corrupt system'. They more than enough corruption amongst themselves as it is. No, they're protecting their place as overlords over an enslaved people. The West at least pacifies their populations with bread and circuses, not truncheons. If by tomorrow you haven't been disappeared for your criticisms of western regimes, you'll understand what I'm talking about.
Also, not everyone has nukes. The US, UK, France, Russia, Isreal, Pakistan, India, China, and North Korea are the ones with nukes. And Iran is developing infrastructure that could be used to develop nuclear weapons, though they may not actually have any yet.
I know you think you're trying to be sceptical, wise, etc. But you're substituting one set of assumptions and delusions for another, which are equally false. And please don't shift the goal posts. You said yourself that you believed the "North Koreans with nukes" was Western propaganda and compared it to Iraq's supposed arsenal of WOMDs (which was propaganda used to justify an illegal invasion).
And no, North Korea will never use a nuclear weapon offensively. That would be suicide as every other nation in the world would throw off the gloves the moment that happened and basically blast the north half of the peninsula into the sea. But the nukes aren't meant for that. They're North Korea's insurance policy. North Korea can't be invaded while their nukes are still operational, even if they can't actually aim the things (nukes don't need precision aiming). They can't be counter-attacked either. If North Korea marches south, any attempt to push back into North Korea's borders will run the risk of a nuclear retaliation. They've already tested bombs on their own soil and regularly display a callous disregard for the lives of their citizens after all.
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I said ''I'm pretty sure this nuclear deal is just propaganda''
what I actually meant is the fact that they threatened to use nuclear weapons is probably propaganda. I still have to hear this said from North Korea. So far all they have said is that they are sick of South Korea sending drones over their borders and doing military exercises, therefore they are declaring a state of war. South Korea is currently and has been for a while the largest importer of US weapons
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Great now I am gonna die, week keeps getting worse.
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Nah, I am just gonna sleep through it, wake up with three arms, might make life easier, won't be such a task to toast bread, make eggs, and make tea at the same time at least.
o_o
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I'll make sure to lock him out of the house before I go to bed.
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Thing is if N Korea launches a nuke to anywhere, the US and its allies would be crazy to retaliate with nukes as the effects would hit China and Russia also (both nuclear powers). I don't think the U.S.A would kill millions of Chinese and Russian civilians and risk its own total annihilation over N.Korea. N Korea obviously knows that and that only leaves conventional weapons. N Korea has the largest army on Earth so a straight up gun fight on their territory wouldn't be another Gulf war day one victory.
Who knows, hope it all blows over with them finding another Unicorn or something
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Two things. As I mentioned in a post above, NK wouldn't use nukes offensively, but they're plenty prepared to do so defensively.
Second, "N Korea has the largest army on Earth". No. They have the largest army per capita of any nation, and the largest reserve, but China, the US, India and Russia still have larger active military personnel. The North Korea military is also woefully under equipped and under trained. Most of their hardware dates back to the Korean War or earlier. They only threat they can pose is a zerg rush.
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One wonders if South Korea's love of Starcraft is actually secretly encouraged by their government as a sort of strategic preparation of a possible North Korean attack.
"They're coming under the DMZ, gentlemen. But do not worry, we know how to handle this. Bunkers and siege tanks."
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Army = Active members + reserves. N.Korea has the largest army on Earth ;p
Not disagreeing with your other points though, their near 10 million troops with rifles wouldn't get far verses modern weapons.
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I think you are overestimating the fallout caused by a nuclear missile. By a lot.
2nd, as explained on reddit, the US would be obligated to counter attack any nuclear attack with full and unrequited counter attack using their nuclear arsenal. Its not a matter of would, could, or should. Its a matter of need. Even if it means pissing off the entire globe it would be required to keep nuclear attacks off the tables for other nations. If the US or its ally is nuked, and the US doesnt retaliate launch nukes in return then MAD is confirmed as false and nations will begin building up nukes once again.
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When the Chernobyl reactor meltdown happened it contaminated livestock in the UK, nearly 1500 miles away, rendering it unsafe for consumption. That level of fallout was tiny in comparison to a nuclear warhead. NK has land borders with China and Russia.. I really don't think I am overestimating anything by saying millions of Chinese and Russians would be directly or indirectly killed by nuclear warfare in NK.
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Problem with that assumption though is Chernobyl was a constant contamination at ground level that seeped into water tables, the land surrounding the site, the food chain and continues to contaminate still. A nuke would be set to air-burst to cause significantly more damage then a ground detonation. An air-burst also has the benefit of a lot less contamination/fallout even if the actually dosage of radiation is the same. Also a tactical nuke vs say, Tzar bomba produce two different yields and fallout patterns. Weather patterns also play a roll in fallout patterns though, though it is not inconceivable that China might be affected, although the vast majority of NK's armaments are along the 38th parallel.
Looking into it, SK and Japan would be the ones at risk for fallout, not China or Russia due to the south/east direction of their wind pattern. Global wind patterns. With that in mind, while not optimal, I would think they would prefer some minor fallout compared to being nuked themselves by NK.
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And what better todger substitute than a towering, brightly painted missile?
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i am a defense contractor for the pacific missile range facilities i would like to aknowledge that defense contractors like me will will be safe in the newly built subterrian underwater bunker allowing the pmrf to be fully operational should an incident aboveground occur
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WTF
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