Dear SG user,

I'm adressing you mostly because of one simple thing. And that is, that if you like to throw medical advice around and you are no health professional or have the very least idea of what the fuck you are talking about, well. I sincerely hope you burn in hell.

I have no ill intentions towards any of you, random strangers surfing the internet. But there's only one thing that really pisses me off, that could make me kill people with my bare hands, is those kind of persons that like to start spurting random medical and mostly made up data without having not a fucking clue of what they are talking about.

If by this point you are wondering why am I writing this, well I'll answer you, it's mostly because of the weed topic, well that one and the previous cigar one. I could go into more insight but if you say, weed fights cancer, you better back it up by some SCIENTIFIC research. And, no dear stranger, articles published in a website named www.legalize.it are not SCIENTIFIC. If you are not familiar with the Scientific Method and the procedures a drug has to go through to be considered as effective and safe to use I'd gladly explain them to you later on. But please STOP GIVING FUCKING MEDICAL ADVICE.

You are playing with your life and everyone else's, can't you see it? Every time you automedicate, every fucking time you say, Hey have this amoxicilyn for that headache, they cured me. every fucking single time you say things of the sort as weed is healthy, there's no problem in taking steroids. I'm doing a ketogenic diet and I'm perfectly well, it's totally safe. YOU MIGH BE CAUSING DAMAGE TO SOMEONE. And not psicologycal one, but physical and sometimes irreversible one. Not to mention that by using medicines badly, and that is any of the following:

  • Not fullfilling treatments.

  • Automedicating.

To name the two main ones, you are creating SUPERBUGS, bacteria and viruses develop resistences to medication. I will gladly go into further detail if someone is interested, but what you are doing is causing a lot of health problems. Did you know that penicillin is almost useless now in many of its forms? [citation needed]

So that's it. Be aware that everything can and eventually will kill you. Jesus Christ, you will die of breathing too much if you don't do so before by other means. And now I'll quote Paracelsus Alle Dinge sind ein Gift und nichts ist ohne Gift. Allein die Dosis macht, daß ein Ding kein Gift ist that is roughly The dose makes the poison

All the drugs used daily are lethal in some dosis or another, there's something called therapeutical margin that determines in which concentrations they are safe to use. For example Digoxin will cause hallucinations if overdosed. Paracetamol will destroy your liver and Aspirin will pierce your stomach. That is, if they are not used properly. So please for your own benefit and everybody's, do so. I beg you.

Now into the weed topic, something having medical uses does not mean it's healthy. Did you know that heroin can be used to stop cough? And cocaine is a good local anaesthesic? Now, would you recommend someone to have those? That's it. I'm not saying you shouldn't or should smoke weed, or inject yourself heroin. But be aware of the risk and act consecuently, and most important be able to take an informed decisition.

So, please, next time you are going to take some Augmentine because your head hurts or you have a cold, or you want to claim that there's no such thing as cancer, or that it can be cured through meditation. Please, fucking refrain.

Sincerely,

A future Pharmacist.

TL;DR: Don't be an asshole

/Rant.


Alternate version provided by Misha

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Though I see your point, I don't think this is the place to argue it. Honestly, i would take any medical advice over the internet with a grain of salt. So much that I would question all medical advice. The only source for medical advice should be someone board certified and qualified to give the information, everything else is just a suggestion.

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i'm studying medicine. i have no idea why you didn't give prof to your opinion. after a quick research in ncbi, here's a few articles to indulge your ego
smoking marijuana can cause cancer;
smoking marijuana can effect white matter
smoking marijuana health problems may extend to adulthood

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Was there a post that said it cured cancer or just that cancer patients should take it? Regardless of what the future pharmacist insists there are thousands of doctors who agree it reduces the symptoms and side effects caused by various diseases and drugs. Further in many places its been fully legalized. So it's no different than telling someone to take advil for a headache. So pharmacist tell me the side effects of the most commonly prescribed anti nausea medicine? Or the pain medication? Or antianxiety meds? Then tell me the side effects of marijuana. Tell me why so many doctors think it has medical benefits even if it hasn't been thoroughly tested up to your standards? It could be because they deal with dying people everyday who say it works and makes their life better while you sit on your computer looking at drug studies funded by the same companies that are pushing the page long list of side effects "proven" drugs.

Telling people not to offer medical advice online is fine. Singling out a drug and claiming it has no medical use because it hasn't been proven to you when thousands of more highly trained people disagree along with scores of people dying in pain who say its made their life better.

So focus on your topic because your ignorance of medical marijuana is muddying your point which is a good one. In the same vein your rage against antibiotics distracts from the point as overuse of nonregulated antibiotic chemicals also shares a large parr of the blame there. Are you going to insist people not take advice to use antibacterial soap as their only handwashing soap? After all THAT can be construed as medical advice. So are people only to seek advice for regulated things? A more clear and appropriate message would have been:

Tldr: Its the internet, believe nothing you read. Make your own decisions and be responsible fir yourself.

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There were a couple of posts saying that it was "pretty much confirmed" to cure cancer or prevent it.

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This was not aimed only to weed. I am all for responsible use of drugs, specially when a misuse is likely to create resistances.

Also those hand-washing gels are quite pointless. I hate them.

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i posted some articles that talk about the side effects of marijuana. Once i have time i can write a short paragraph talking about what's good and what's bad. What is know is that the bad heavely outweight the small positives.

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You have absolutely no clue do you? Smoking ANYTHING is bad for you. Who inhales burning plant matter into their lungs? Read your studies, they all focused on smoking marijuana and most of them are focused on the results of inhaling plant matter not the substances found in marijuana. Also as stated the drug companies are funding studies like crazy AGAINST a substance that can be freely grown.

Now list me some side effects of marijuana consumption. Not smoking. People who use it for medicine and have a brain do NOT smoke it. So why would you post studies focused on that? The side effects of non-smoked marijuana are very few, mostly resulting in less mental agility and impairment of motor skills. These side effects are also temporary. It has nothing to do with using it for medicine. Smoking Advil would be bad for you too bro, does that mean advil should be removed?

Also do some more research on the very website you posted your links from it has a few studies that promote the positives.

Also I love how you say "what is know is that the bad heavely outweight the small positives" As I stated before THOUSANDS of DOCTORS disagree. Do you have their medical and field knowledge? Do you even have a 4 year?

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Not to be a pain in the ass, but there HAS BEEN studies on the topic and they do suggest that weed could cure various disorders, including cancer. A simple google research will show it is a topic that still needs to be researched further in, but no "expert" will dismiss the idea.

As far as I could tell, weed does not actually cure cancer but simply slows down the growth. This would mean that if you already have cancer, weed wont make it disappear. If you really care about the issue, you could just google it and pick your sources. I consider Harvard Study a decent enough source. Idiots might state it as fact that weed is some magical cure or other idiots might be closed minded about the concept, but there is more to the topic that deserves further investigation. Regardless, weed has had a hard time with unbiased research. Either people want to make it look like it is a good thing, or make it look like it is a bad thing. For that reason alone, I will not rely on any research topics as fact. Still, I am not closed minded either.

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can you cite the article? i would enjoy reading it.

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Just google it and take your pick. Naturally, avoid ".com" sites. I am too lazy to do the research again just for some people on the internet. :p

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most medical databases have articles that say that "weed" could be used to reduce sytoms of deseases. essentially it eases the pain of the patient but doesn't "cure". and the cancer stuff is mostly in vitro which means very very little in a pratical sense

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As many here already said, I would NEVER take a chemical substance of any nature just because I read it on a forum or a website.
I won't consider a medicine or a droug free of dangers just because i read some dude in the internet saying that.
It's bad that ignorant ppl tries to give advices, but is even more bad if some foolish really BELIEVES them, because I think everyone here is provided of a brain, so use it.

Besides that.. In my country selling medicines without a medical order is forbidden. Some of them are sold without, but still everyone gotta read the paper inside (there's a reason if it exists) and use it as it HAS TO BE used. Then yet, if ppl wanna suicide you can do it eating whatever, I don't wanna... Nor I wanna be killed by a bad doctor (you find those too, and you can't imagine how many times I felt bad because they gave me the wrong medicine, in this case, sadly, automedicating saved my life)!!!

About drougs... I heard marijuana (not coca, nor any other) might not be as dangerous as we knew it, but it's still voices, in time we all will be aware of the truth I guess...

11 years ago
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huh...vidya games?>

11 years ago
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I agree throwing random medical facts that aren't really facts is being an asshole, just like those who spread idiotic rumours about things read on Facebook without even a slight bit of fact-checking (you would be amazed, and I'd be ashamed, if you'd known how much of that kind of stuff alone influenced the italian elections and politics in general this year). But in the end they will still keep doing that; it's only right to make shit rain on their heads in large buckets, but the fault for any damage and consequence is mainly fault of the naïveness of those who listen. If I could choose to educate either, I'd stop trying to tell the assholes what not to say and start teaching naïve people to question everything.

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source?

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Please do tell what do you want a source for and I'll provide articles.

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Well, to start out with, how about you give a source to your claim that "penicillin is almost useless now in many of its forms? [citation needed]"

Also, you do realize that posting "citation needed" in a post complaining about people not citing their sources make you look like a tool?

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It was a pun.

For example here an article

Another one

Doing a quick search of antibiotic resist in any medical database would provide you roughly a thousand of different articles.

Quoting from one

he same mechanisms are also responsible for antibiotic resistance. In recent years the growth of penicillin, macrolides and clindamycine resistance has been noticed. It is also important to underline that multidrug-resistant bacteria isolation has increased

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First, that is not a pun.
Source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pun

Second, here is an example of an article showing that Streptococcus pyogenes is still susceptible to penicillin.
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol10no3/03-0252.htm

I'm not denying that superbugs are a problem, I just think you may have the wrong definition of "nearly useless".

Bonus Question!
Can you give a source of Ibuprofen causing liver failure? I've heard of it causing kidney cancer and kidney failure in severe overdoses, but nothing about the liver.

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One bug. You know there are literally thousands of infectious agents right? Penicillin is no longer very effective on a lot of things.

Penicillin isn't really a goto on its own any more. It usually has to be augmented or supported to work now.

Serra-Pladevall, J., et al. “[Neisseria gonorrhoeae: Antimicrobial resistance and study of population dynamics. Situation in Barcelona in 2011.].” Enfermedades Infecciosas y Microbiologia Clinica,, 2013.

Wen, MY.; Zeng, HK.; Huang, WP.; Fang, M. “[Distribution and antibiotic resistance of bacteria causing bloodstream infections in patients in intensive care unit].” v. 25 issue 4, 2013, p. 215-8.

Hsieh, YC.; Su, LH.; Hsu, MH.; Chiu, CH. “Alterations of penicillin-binding proteins in pneumococci with stepwise increase inβ-lactam resistance.” Pathog Dis, v. 67 issue 1, 2013, p. 84-8.

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Sincerely, I just linked the two first articles I came across, I don't really have the time to do an in depth overview. But it's pretty much an accepted fact amongst the medical community. It can only be used in a small amount of species by its own and it has to be accompanied by B-lactamase inhibitors such as Clavulanic acid.

Also, my apologies, where I said Ibuprofen it should have been Paracetamol. Sorry, I fucked it up there, Paracetamol will cause acute liver necrosis in doses of 10g/d or so. My bad.

Also I intentionally put there the citation needed, I don't know if it's a pun or not but it was there with humouristic intention.

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Clavamox FTW!

11 years ago
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But that's for dogs! O.o

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Yup :D

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I don't think he can see those if he's not logged into pubmed no?

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Damm. Well, you already provided more sources. Thanks.

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I'm able to read the abstract.

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Oh nice. I only ever look while logged in so I don't know how it looks otherwise :P

11 years ago
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That doesn't resemble a pun. Using words you know makes communication easier.

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I use words I know. It would be rather difficult not to do so, wouldn't it?

Also I don't really know the very exact definition of pun, but it was there with humourous intentions.

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You used a word you didn't know. The word you used without knowing it was "pun." Not knowing a word is commonly understood to mean not knowing the meaning of a word.

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No I misused a word. I didn't use a word I didn't know. Also I see no reason for being so picky, I think that out of the context one can easily ascertain what I was trying to say.

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No, you cannot. Whatever you were trying to say is still very unclear. Also, if you don't know how to use a word, you do not know it. You seem to be very confused about how language works.

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I'm quite aware about that. And I think that you might be needing some extra reading comprehension lessons if you cannot really understand a two-line sentence.

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I DO understand the sentence. The trouble is that YOU don't understand your own sentence. The meaning of the sentence is very clear. That meaning is, however, nonsense.

Also "It was a pun." is only one line. I don't know why you're saying it has two lines.

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We could go forever arguing about how you chose to be a prick over small mistakes.

Anyways, firstly there's no need to take every word literally. And secondly, improve that reading comprehension if you can't really understand simple sentences.

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As I said before, it's a simple sentence and I understand it. The meaning is obvious. What you meant to say instead is entirely unclear, because I have no idea what word you meant to choose instead of pun. I doubt anyone here has any clue. Anyway, as you said, it's past the point of mattering now.

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I read only half the way (sorry about that), but I personally just dont listen to ppl who gives me medical advices. The only ppl I listen to is a doctor and my mother. I hope you all do the same. Peace.

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If you're blindly accepting medical advice from random anonymous strangers on the internet, you've got problems already.

11 years ago
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If someone is dumb enough to believe the idiots that write here.

11 years ago
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+1(to op not whatever post happens to be above)

11 years ago
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You should take some Vicodin

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wat

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Clap, Clap, Clap. BRAVO! (I agree)

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That was amazing I'm laughing out loud.

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Already read about superbugs. Although the article I read was like... apocalyptic.

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actually ibuprofen being among the same family (NSAIDs) as aspirin, in high enough doses or in people susceptible, will cause stomach ulceration much like aspirin, not saying that it doesn't also have liver toxicity but the stomach ulcers are still typically the side-effect mainly worried about there. It's acetaminophen that you really have to worry about liver toxicity for.

Edit: oh, but otherwise I agree with your post.

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Yeah, the main side effect from NSAIDs is that they inhibit both ciclooxigenases and if I'm not mistaken COX1 is the responsible of mantaining the acidic balance on the stomach.

And as I've already said, I wanted to say Paracetamol, not Ibuprofen. I kinda commited an error there. Sorry. Paracetamol can cause acute liver necrosis around the 10-14 g/d.

Serrano Ruiz,A . Actualización de Fármacos de Uso Frecuente. Difusión de Avances de Enfermería (DAE) 2009 1ª ed. pag 16. Spanish.

I hope I didn't fucked the citation up. I hate that Vancouver style, I always forget how it's done.

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Thanks for Skyrim!

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I thought Ibuprofen doesn't hurt your liver. If taken over the max dosage and over a long period of time it can definitely give you renal problems. Acetaminophen is liver toxic if you go over 3g/day (new max dosing from the manufacture, this is not FDA dosing).

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I already noticed that. I apologize. I wanted to say Paracetamol,not Ibuprofen. I quite fucked it up there. Sorry.

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Cool cool. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Wouldn't want to fail my boards because of not knowing that :P.

Good luck on your future in the profession.

11 years ago
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Thanks a lot. :)

11 years ago
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it seems that most SGers can't fathom the fact that medical treatment is serious issue. Time to bring up the demographic.

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"(...) throw medical advice around and are no health professional (...)"
At least we try to help people unlike you
What you Pharmafaggots do
How about you fucking try to do the job you act you do.

I can't judge you and how you will do your work, but I am juding Pharmacists as a whole
and those people should take the fucking poison they craft themselves.

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Yeah. Sure.

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I'll take that as a promise

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itsaconspiracy.jpg

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You come off as sounding like a complete asshole. Just to let you know asshole.

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Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish Euripides

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I agree with your OP 100 percent, but I agree that you sound like an asshole in it, and acting pretentious by responding with nothing but a Euripides quote isn't helping.

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It was never my intention to sound neither pretentious nor on as if I were standing in higher grounds. And I expressely answered in this fashion because of what his answer concretely was.

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Being pretentious requires that you're not intending to sound pretentious.

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Does it?

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Yes. If you're doing it on purpose, there is no pretense. You would be attempting farce or something of that nature if you were intending it.

11 years ago
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He called you asshole it has no similarities with being a fool. Even wikipedia knows that.

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You would get on well with Valzi.

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^ this

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i know for a fact that if you squish a tomato in your eye you might have hawk like eyes, being able to see for miles and shit, or go blind. fifty fifty.
PS. don't try this at home.
PSS. if you will anyway, have a friend with you, preferably with a camera.
PSSS. the friend with camera, please link the video here so we can laug cough.. cough.. i mean learn from your medical experiment.

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It's true. The reason is because your body builds up toxins, which accumulate in your eyes (causing the weird shapes you see when you look at the sky.) Your body can't naturally cleanse itself of toxins -- only transferring them to tomato and squishing it will purify you. This is the secret that Big Pharma and the toxin industry don't want you to know.

Have you ever felt tired? Especially late in the evening, or after a hard day of work? Have you ever felt thirsty after going without water for a while? Do you feel like you're regularly hungry -- do you ever get cravings for foods? Do you suffer unexplained headaches when stressed? It's because of toxins. Go on a squish-tomato-in-eyes diet today and you'll feel better immediately.

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Closed 11 years ago by MrCastiglia.