which one is better to get first in ur opinion
Deus Ex: HR is definitely recommendable...but sadly the Director's Cut is a buggy mess. If you can find a key for the original version I'd recommend that over the new one, even though the Director's Cut addresses the boss battle issues and streamlines the DLC into the campaign.
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^^^ This.
Deus Ex HR > FF XIII > Deus Ex HR DirCut
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but i think u cant play xiii-2 without xiii ? or they have defrent storys ?
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stories are connected, but are written in a way that they should be understandable by themselves as well.
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I was only going by word of mouth, never got around to really playing either parts of FF XIII far enough. (I tried and abandoned the first one as it felt too linear for too long at the start.)
But I'll keep that in mind if I get around to trying them again.
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I recommend both if you can afford them.
Deus Ex is a great game, but I haven't put nearly as many hours into it as FFXIII and XIII-2.
FFXIII and it's sequels are "Love it or Hate it" games, and the majority of the fanbase are divided on whether or not they are "good".
Personally I enjoyed the hell out of both, and am looking forward to Lightning Returns releasing on Steam (I own a physical copy).
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Original Deus Ex is the best, But human revolution stayed true to the original so it is also an EXCELLENT game.
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You are right about that, but the director's cut is a joke. Except the improvements in the graphics it was a BIG step backwards comparing to the NON Director's Cut version. However, i would never touch that game again (completed both versions).
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They did mess up almost every bossfight: Some are a joke (too easy), others buggy or got insane stats because some devs were unable to see the difference between a multiplier of 2.0 and 20.0 or even between a "+x" and a "-x", Memory leaks that did NOT exist is a non DC version, messed up perks and AI at some points. Do i need to continue? The only real improvement is the higher internal resolution, replaced textures and some new shadow effects. In the end i did like the "normal" version much more
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Its been a long time to give exact informations now. Did play both versions right after the release of each one. I think it should be possible to find tons of ducumented informations in Directors Cut reviews on some websites or maybe even on steam. DC just stay as a bad joke in my memories and thats for sure not without reason :D I know for sure, that some perks were messed up comparing to the fine working "normal" version, one boss had wrong stats and his fire attack did insane damage (wrong multiplier here), another one was onehit (wrong stats as well?), AI did work "strange" at some times (i know i know, the AI was stupid enough in the "normal" version as well), it was possible to mess up 6-7-8 enemies right INSIDE of another enemy, but as long he was unable to "see" you directly (Skyrim style), he would not react at all, even if you did smash corpses and stunned enemies right into his face.
Dont know if they ever patch a thing after the release of DC, so things got maybe little bit better now
Edit: There was something wrong with the last boss as well, but i cant remember what it was right now
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It was a rhetorical question :D
But if you rly want to get more (and more precise!) information, then try to google (or search using a search engine of your choice) for the directors cut in combination with "bad/broken AI", "broken bosses" etc. Some reviews with pro and contra lists can speed up such kind of investigation a lot.
Like i told nlspeed911, its been a long time since then, because i did play both versions right after release. They are taking a break in the "garbage" part of my shelf between something i cant identify from here and spellforce 2, the only game i know that did need FIVE patches (v1.01-v1.05) to allow me to install my preordered version a week after release, boycotting all JooWood games since then :D
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I suffer from optimization issues and got FPS drops, some quests won't trigger even the main ones unless I talk to the NPCs several times, one quest did not trigger at all leaving me stuck, the screen constantly flashed black at random times.
All before the first boss.
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i will indeed..but i cant both for same time.so i ask what to get first ;)
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They're really different types of games, so ask yourself if you want a JRPG that somehow managed to miss the open world exploration parts that are a staple of the series, or an FPS/stealth game hybrid with RPG elements.
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DE:HR. Haven't played either, but people raved about DE:HR. Didn't hear much excitement or nostalgic thoughts when FFVIII was released on Steam.
That said, they're very different, so go with your mood?
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Final Fantasy XIII is good, but XIII-2 is slightly better. The stories are connected but it focuses more on the minor characters from the previous title.
Deus Ex, in my opinion, is an amazing franchise that makes you really think about your choices and also about real world issues. Human Revolution isn't as good as its predecessors but still a good game.
On a side note: FF XIII requires 55GB of HDD space which is just ridiculous! :(
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yeah.XD....the 55 gb is what makes me think again and again
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In fact its 58.0 GB. On the one hand ppl are complaining about the size of the game, on the other hand there are another ppl complaining about the resolution of the cinematics wich got compressed to save some spaace (720p now instead of the original 1080p). It is impossible to make it right for everyone. But hours after hours of sinematics require some space ;-)
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I've seen the cinematics in the game and yes, they are quite beautiful. But if a game has so much cinematic footage that requires 50GB of space, is it really a game? :P
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8,5 hours of cinematics in a game is a disqualification as a game for you? There are great JRPG's with up to 60 hours of cinematics/cutscenes, so where is your problem then? They are able to use another compression and lower resolution for that, then the game would take only 12GB, but i am sure you were the first one, who would cry around, that the cinematics are not in full or at least half HD resolution ;-)
Edit: FF7, one of the greatest if not THE greatest game 1997 had around 40 minutes of cutscenes (43 if i remember right) and did require 3.1GB of space for a full installation. It was 18 years ago! Why did noone whine about the size of the game back then?
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8.5 hours is quite a lot of cinematic footage in any game, let alone 50-60 hours of a game. At that point, it's less of a game and more of a mini-series (depending on how much playtime is in the game itself). As far as video quality goes, could care less if it was in 1440p or 480p as long as it wasn't insanely huge to the point of being just raw footage slapped into the game. I'm not saying cinematic footage is BAD in a game. I'm saying that when the games of today consist of being 60-70% cutscenes and 30-40% actual game play, that is not much of a game.
For its time, you're right FF VII did exceed the 700MB discs it came on (I believe it was on 5 discs?). And I do remember people complaining that the game spanned so many discs just to play (let's remember a time when discs could be easily scratched by the PS1's faulty laser). I don't even know why you're making a deal out of my opinion though. :P All I said was that the game takes up over 50GB of space, which is ridiculous when most games with about the same hours of footage are under 35GB.
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How is a game with 8.5 hours of cutscenes consist to 60-70% of it for you, if you need way over 200 hours to enjoy and beat everything in in? I think you should improve your math at this point a bit, Killing the last boss was NEVER the target in any of FF games. To beat all sidequests, discover all secrets and beat the boss after that is the destination, otherwise a player did not get the point of the game at all or would you buy a car to be able to eat your hamburger inside of it but never start the engine or drive?
FF7 had 4 discs on PC and had insane low sound quality (MIDI files) to avoid the 5th disk. The PS1 version had 3 discs.
I am making a "deal" out of your decisions because you are complaining about a game's size and comparing 200+ hours of gameplay and ONLY 8,5h of cutscenes (wich is in fact not even 5% and not 60-70% like you said) to another games with ONLY 10-20 hours or topped 40h of it (Tomb Raider = who needs more than 16 hours there is doing something wrong, did not play The Witcher 3, according to game reviews around 30-40 hours so lets say 60h for slow ppl, wich is still only around 1/4 of FF13). If you want to compare two games in size, then at least try to do so on equal level. Gaming is everything about gameplay you say, so compare games with similar amout of it (FF13 has a size of 17.8GB without movies). Dont want to miss the movies? Then compare it to a game with a similar amount of it (around 8,5 hours). Othersise let it be please. Using your way you are trying to compare a coffee machine to a planet only using its size.
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No offense, but please don't add the "unlockables/challenges/side missions" to the total gameplay time because the average player only plays to complete the main storyline and doesn't waste their time on everything else. In that respect, FF XIII's story is only 35 hours long, the same as Fallout 3's main story campaign. Yet, where Fallout 3's overall size is 8-9GB, FF XIII's is 55GB (even with slightly better textures and more cinematics, that is quite the bump in file size). By the way, 60-70% was an exaggeration to imply that games of this gen and last have more cutscenes than they do gameplay (take MGS 4 which has 8 hours of cutscenes and only a 9 hour campaign, making it around 85% of the game being only footage). Tomb Raider has a 8 hour campaign and only 2 hours of footage making it about 24-25% of the game being non interactive.
The comparison you made is kind of weird since these are all games with similar gameplay time and footage and yet only a handful of the games are exceeding the 40GB mark even though the visuals are pretty similar across the board.
Honestly, I don't see why you are getting upset about my opinion. To me, if a game is mostly cutscenes, then it's not much of a game to me regardless if the gameplay is fun for its short lived 2-3 hour campaigns (like most new CoD games). Yes, FF XIII is a beautiful game and does require at least 30-40 hours to complete the story (again, without any side missions), but I wouldn't say it requires over 30GB of space (similarly to how Witcher games and Fallout games have the same amount of gameplay and are mostly under the 25GB mark).
Nonetheless I do respect your opinions. I was just letting the OP know that the game is quite large for what it offers and that OP should be aware that he might need to save some space for the game (50GB is like 6-7 games in one).
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In other words you would buy a car just to eat your hamburger and never start the engine and drive!
Every single FF since FF 1 is ALL about sidequests. If you dont want to do them or to explore teh world, so why are you buying and playing the game then?
I do understand the way you think about its size, but your you are still trying to compare a coffee machine to a planet just by looking at its size and not its function. Fallout 3 had not even 10% of the internal texture resolution comparing to FF13, so multiply 8-9GB using a factor of 10 please to compare them. Still thinking it was a good example? ;-)
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As said before, the average player doesn't play the game to complete 100% of the game. They buy the game to enjoy the story. You don't buy a Ferrari to go to the track everyday and hit 150mph, do you? No, you buy it to drive like everyone else, but unless you're a car enthusiast, you'll never hit over 70 mph. Same for games, there are people who play RPGs for the main story and those who play to do every side story too.
I've been playing FF since it's first release on the NES, but by no means have I completed every mission there is in these games. I like FF's stories, but I'm not a hardcore fan to spend 60 hours doing every tedious Cocobo race just for a fancy item. :P So, while you made a good point about buying a game if you're not going to do every mission in it, the reason for it is simply that not every gamer is interested in the side missions jut for a fancy skill or item or new ending.
The Witcher series is quite beautiful similarly to FF XIII and it's still smaller. But I see your point in comparing sizes. :) As said above, all these games are beautiful and do take many hours to complete, but they're not worth the drive space. (Like Shadow of Mordor!).
Anyway, I'm sure OP chose already so there's no point in arguing or whatever this is. You think games can justify their size because of gameplay and textures, which most can. But there are a handful that are just ridiculously large for what they offer and most often aren't that visually impressive to the eyes. :P
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90% of my games require under 35GB of space to install.FFXIII was the largest game I have ever installed. There are only a handful of titles that I know that reach the 50GB mark such as: The Last of Us, The Witcher 3, CoD: Ghosts, and Wolfenstein: New Order. All the other games are under the 40GB mark (Metal Gear Rising, Tomb Raider, even FFXIII-2 only requires ~25GB).
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Deus Ex has better story, better pacing, better level design, better characters, better character leveling, and much better action than does FF XIII. Put that together and, despite not being an RPG, Deus Ex has better RPG design than does FF XIII. And while FF XIII design was inspired by console shooters (as said by its designer), Deus Ex is a way better shooter than is FF XIII.
So, between the two, Deus Ex all the way.
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I have to highly recommend Deus EX HR, interesting story with excellent gameplay and graphics. My only problem was the boss fights which were a annoying. It also bothered me a little that it did not explore some "topics" which were referenced in the game. I played the game for 23h and i enjoy it a lot. What I really felt inovative was how "free" the game feels when you take a quest, there's always at least 3 ways to complete stuff. On battle you can opt for stealth, full gun blazing , mix a bit of both or most of the times just evade the firefight altogether (all options give similar XP so you never get penalised playing one way or other). I don't have the director's cut edition so i ahve no idea how the boss fights are now.
Final fantasy XII is okayish. I have the game for PS3 and what i did not like is that the first 20h are like a tutorial and you don't have any challenge then the game opens up and you can explore quite a bit, from here on out the game gets good, you can explore, grind, complete subquests but the pacing of the story gets really weird after this time, sometimes you play for 3 hours without cutscene then you get cutscenes 15 to 15 mins of gameplay that last 5-10 mins. I'm at the end of the game with around 50h but i'm always getting lost because the last level is a labyrinth so i can't finish it. the battle system in this game works very differntly then any game i have played It follows the trinity (Tank, healer DPS) but you can change on the fly whose what role. This make sthe game play quite differently since you can have a tank take an heavy blow then switch him for a supporter to slow the enemy, heal him then make him tank. It gest very interesting on the last levels but until around the 23-30 h mark the game is too easy.
In short i highly recommend deus ex HR for being an excellent RPG and can only recommend final fantasy XII if you like JRPG a lot and have time to waste on them.
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Never played Final Fantasy, but I voted for Deus Ex regardless.
About the boss fights, the Director's Cut edition solved that by adding other options to solving them, besides actively fighting (hacking and taking over turrets, for example).
But, YES, DEUS EX! The universe is absolutely amazing, seriously. Make sure to hack every laptop and explore everywhere. Also, play the original Deus Ex too, if you have the time, for more exposure to the universe ('sides, without knowledge of the original Deus Ex, you'll miss quite a few awesome references in Human Revolution - although you can use a Wiki to read about it all I suppose).
A very fun way of playing the game is forcing yourself to non-lethally take-out every single enemy everywhere, without ever being seen (excluding bosses of course). Challenging, in certain situations (the kill room, for example), but fun too! It's doable; I've done it myself. :P
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I might get the director's cut to see those new boss battles. This is SLIGHT SPOILER to the game, if you haven't played it you should stop reading.
The topics i refer were in fact from reading most laptop and PDAs. From what i understand there's quite a few problems because of the augmentations. Poor people can't get augmentations because of the lack of money and they can't get money because to work augmented people are more efficient workers, however augmented workers are always in debt because of the maintenance and the drugs needed to keep those augmentations from being rejected. There are even mention of mafias that ambush augmented people kidnap then and remove their augments to sell them in a black market. This is all from written lore and yet in the game there are no quests that show these issues.
There are probably other things that that game lore tells us but doesn't show. For me it was a bit disapointing because in my perspective those are really interesting question for the evolution of the human race.
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Slight spoilers in the first alinea, larger spoilers in the second alinea.
But there are quests relating to that? Perhaps the very first side quest you can receive - Lesser Evils - is about that, for example. You also see protests and stuff while walking around.
However, with references, I was talking about the Majestic-12 globe you can find being constructed, or the emails and all relating to Page, Manderley, or Simons. The game paints a pretty sinister picture, if you can figure out what's actually happening and what will happen, based on information you can uncover.
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Tried both, I say go for ffxiii I have more than 60 hours on it and still many things to do
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FF XIII has a very linear story and zero sidequests until you reach Chapter 11, in fact the first 10 chapters are just an oversized tutorial... After that you get some sidequests, secrets to discover and a pretty nice world to explore.
But like i said HERE i would NEVER touch Deus Ex Directors Cut (as well as non DC) again. Its possible to have some fun for 15-20 hours, but after that you are rly DONE with the game.
On the other hand is FF XIII. After over 160 hours spent into that game a second playthrough is NOT out of question for me, even if previous FF titles were much better in my eyes (the linearity factor is killing the fun in the first hours of gameplay and its not rly easy to get fascinated again after that for many ppl)
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Played both, Deus Ex is a lot better.Also has a great amoun of replayability, totally worth buying.
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Replayability in Deus Ex? Sorry, did you took any drugs? Every decision is leading you to the same result, every lock has the same combination, every item and every enemy is at the exact the same place, so what for do you want to play the game again?
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You could save someone, or you could let HER die.You could learn smashing walls and discover secret areas, or go full killing machine and use the front doors.You can always finish the game with another skill set and playstyle, it's not just about the story and decision development.I finished it twice, I'm planning on playing it once more.
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You got a poin in saving or letting die ONE person in the whole game, one that is completely useless in both cases if i remember right. And you got another point in finishing the game with different builds, so lets play diablo 256 times just to be able to say, that you did complete it with every single variation of every single class, oh wait, diablo had a random loot system, bad example then...
Like i told before, your decisions have zero impact on your results and on the storyline (yeah right, there is one single person to save, so lets say not zero, just 0,0001% then...), thats a disqualification as a "worth to be replayed" game per definition unless you rly care if you enter the same room to kill the exactly the same enemy acting axactly the same way at the exactly the same place from the front door, side entrance or by breaking through the wall.
If you want to replay it, its your decision and noone can and want to stop you to do so, but dont try to sell your subjective opinion as an objective one by ignoring the facts for the opposite please. This game may have some reasons to be replayed, but for sure not "a great amount of replayability" like you initialy said.
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