I once got Game Dev Tycoon revoked. I bought it in steamtrades for just a few cards. I was really surprised at the price at the time. But a few month later the game was no longer in my library with notice that the game code was stolen.
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Amazing how many people on here who have had their games revoked and so little known about it.
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It sounds a bit odd that a lot of games from different developers and games that maybe have been bought from different stores get revoked on the same day, because these revokes come from the game developers.
Perhaps there is something happening behind the scene that we don't know yet.
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Ooooh, that sounds a pretty interesting theory Tex - x-files kinda stuff! It is weird how it's happened all of a sudden.
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Today my Wasteland 2 was revoked. It's third game I bought on G2A that was revoked, and I bought 13 games there. Basicly, I'd advise not to buy on G2A since there are many stolen keys and even if seller has tons of likes from trades, thats because keys work... for few months. And you can't change your like to dislike then.
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Sorry to hear that compman :( G2A really needs to do something quickly with the amount of keys being revoked. Sucks how they work for a while and then bam.. stop
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I think that I have read somewhere that G2A promised to work more closely with developers/publishers when stolen or illegally obtained keys were in questions.
Maybe this was the topic?
http://tinybuild.com/g2a-sold-450k-worth-of-our-game-keys
Also the game in question was SpeedRunners as it seems
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I read the same but it should have come out into the light a little sooner as today it seems a lot of people have had their games revoked which is a huge pain in the ass. I did a ticket to G2A who so far have been pretty helpful.
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When your game gets revoked, can you at least change your review to a negative one, to warn other people that the devs are revoking their keys?
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Will do as soon as I get some time. Just sent G2A a ticket number informing them of the problem with the key being revoked. Another guy did the same and got a positive response from them so worth a try.
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GL with that! i just checked and none of my games got revoked today
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To "warn" people? Why would they not revoke fraudulently acquired keys? The entire problem now exists because a lot of developers do not immediately deactivate / revoke keys and thus thieves can continue to make thousands by selling on G2A.
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Well, i think its ok to revoke a key if it was reported as bought with a stolen card, but only in the short period of time (sites like g2a are ready to deal with that, and they even offer an insurance, and the seller cannot get paid, so it would make it pointless for them to even try). By waiting such a long time, you make the buyer of the key pay the price, and also you take away all his chances to defend himself against the scammer. I personally dont want to support that by buying more products from that dev (and of course, it is my opinion). I think the problems the devs have with their distribution methods should affect only them, not costumers, and they should be responsible for the loss (specially sience they dont lose money, just a potential costumer paying them instead of the scammer), sience they know the stolen key after such a long time was probably sold. Then again, its just my opinion, i dont want to raise a flag and go to war because of it,
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If the developers do not deactivate keys, it makes it possible for people to steal keys with credit card chargebacks and sell them, without ever having any problem themselves. Only many negative ratings on G2A and accounts being blocked there can change it. Or developers not selling keys anymore.
On the other hand, everybody who buys from grey market sites knows there is some risk of key deactivation. Of course if you had a key deactivated for a $20 or $40 purchase, and no way to get the money back, that is horrible -- but the more key deactivations there are, the less that risk actually becomes for a normal buyer.
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Today a dev told me something similar, and i was about to post it. You are absolutely right, at least in practise. In theory, the credit card company should take the loss, and i was convinced that it applied to practise, as i know for sure it applied to a small e-book shop i know, and its frecuent in my country. In practise, the credit card company has enough power to force the merchant. The threat of not working with the merchant anymore by the credit card makes the merchant take the blame on the faulty transaction as if it was his fault, instead of going trough a longer (and costly, in the case he loses) process of showing how things really happened (and even then, the credit card company might decide to stop working with him). Given the fact that keys are small purchases, the merchant simply rather takes the fault, lose just a small amount of money, and goes on with his bussiness. Thats a terrible practise from the credit card company, and i get why devs are trying to take action.
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I won Max Payne 3 (in here?) when it was still very new. Had it revoked a couple of weeks later I think. Was probably bought with a stolen credit card.
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So sorry to hear about your loss especially as you won it and Max Payne 3 is a nice game to play. Hopefully you got to play the game a bit before it was revoked :)
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I did not, but I bought it on a sale some time later. It was annoying but such is life :)
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I got a win revoked and I contacted the giveaway creator and he deleted the giveaway
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In the early months of this year, Steam revoked the Fallout 4 key I had bought and given away. It turns out that, after tracing the key back through a couple of people, the "original owner" turned out to be totally unreliable. (Game was purchased with a revoked credit card.)
Such is the risk of buying from people you don't know.
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It sucks that the games can be revoked so much later - be way easier if they did it at the start! I wouldn't mind a fallout 4 key! Hehe. At least it makes everyone aware on here that it can happen at anytime.
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You got your game finally? Really patient lady. :).
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Yep. :) Told Khalaq he shouldn't buy it full price. I can wait till it would be on a decent sale at summer sale. So I had just 'unmarked' the giveaway for those 5-6 months^^
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The Raven: Legacy of a Master Thief Digital Deluxe Edition I won from 5 months ago got revoked. LOL does that mean there is not a time limit for revoking games?
And I guess the games revoked today might not all be related to each other. Maybe it's the way steam deal with revoked games (sending out notice on specific timing etc.)
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Long time to wait for a game to be revoked but since mine did it 8 months later I guess it can be at anytime which sucks - better pllay those games quick before they all disappear!
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Several months ago I'm sure there was uproar around a batch of keys that got revoked after about 2 years because the publisher decided they were stolen or exploited somehow. I can't remember the details, I think it may have been one of the ARMA games or something else from the same publisher. I think the keys had been sold cheaply on G2A but many were bought and distributed through traders here and on similar sites. There doesn't appear to be any kind of time limit.
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Got a game (from G2a) revoked a few days ago that I bought 7 months ago.
G2a said they'd refund the money.but it hasn't happened yet.
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Also got the same message about a refund from G2A so waiting on that to happen :)
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Sent G2A ticket request about the revoked key and after taking a picture of Rochard no longer in my steam library they have said that they will return the money to me. Still waiting but would rather another copy of Rochard which actually works! Got the game again off Tremorgames so lesson learned for me!
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what if you won here on steamgifts the game you got revoked? you've to change the received in not received, i imagine. will the gifter risk something like ban or suspension?
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Try to get in contact with the GA creator, just unmark the recieved and it'll show up as "awaiting feedback" so both you and the creator will avoid trouble until you agreed upon a solution. :)
The gifter risks nothing, more than having a tiny little sign with "x games marked as not recieved" if you hover the mouse over gifts sent.
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it didn't happen still ..just that i saw a lot of users got "The Raven: Legacy of a Master Thief" revoked and i won it here. finger crossed
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if I won a gift on here that got revoked I would understand since it's not the gifter's fault. I wouldn't think the gifter would get into trouble as I find the mods on here more than fair and understanding. They have helped me in the past when I screwed up and SG is a fantastic site :)
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Got a game revoked once (don't know which one anymore). Knew I traded it here and digged to my tradefeedback, until I found it.
The trader confirmed that his copy got revoked as well and that he bought them on G2A ... Gave me a replacement key (for a different game, we aggreed on) instantly.
Luckily that did not influence my card dropping algorhithm. Would really suck, if my main would had the 2 hours delay as well ;->
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https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/rPXRQ/drunk-wizards#IpiMEa3
Seems revoking may put your account on restriced carddrops, but it does not have to.
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MY ROCHARD GOT REVOCED TO and i got it from G2A. After this , bittorend for all games. You think you are right? lets see how right i am now after this. No more money to game industry. Only dl. They dont care w e are scummed . Now i dont care about them X10 times.
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Send a ticket to G2A and they will return your money - that's what they told me after I sent a ticket.
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You bought your new mobile phone from a shady guy under a highwaybridge for 10% of the normal price and a week later the police comes, tells you it's stolen and takes it away from you.
Jep, you should definetly rob people by yourself now. This way you don't have to spent money at all.
Edit: There are arguments for torrenting games, but it's not "I got scammed because I don't care where I buy".
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After this , bittorend for all games.
http://www.fortressofdoors.com/g2a-piracy-and-the-four-currencies/
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How do you know if a game gets revoked?
With 1000+ games if 1 was to just disappear, i doubt i'd even know...
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wizard wizars and some betas...not sure if i got any game that i paid for removed
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At least nothing important was revoked which is good news for ya
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Humble SEGA Strategy Bundle revoked few months ago. But i bought it from trader. And he bought it from another trader :P So he was good and he gave me my things.
But i still have steam cards in my inventory from Medieval II :)
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So many people on here have had their game revoked which is worrying - seems to be G2A the main problem so no harm they are talking about new security measures
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Got my Darksiders 2 removed, it was bought by a friend from G2A. Hmm, sad the game is removed form the Steam Store and I have to buy it again. :/
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Sucks that you have to buy Darksiders 2 again - ask your friend to send a ticket to G2A and they should refund him
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@ all you righteous ..... hypocrites. i will indeed torrend all my games after this. And not because it is right. They can revoce and they know i payed for it. They dont care. They got stolen from my seller yes. They punish me. They dont care. I dont care . So simple. You are hypocrits you dont understand me. They revoce = they have power over you. I bittorent is my defense over their power. Yes i got it dirt cheap. But i wouldnt buy it if i knew it was stolen . I would have got the game by bittorent illegal . So they punish me by revocing game a) because i was trying to buy it lawfully b) althought they know that fact and that it is not my fault. I have the right to bittorent so stfu virgin maries.
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And it is not the money i lost. It is the behaviour. We decide we implement. So dont tell me about these mambo @it.
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So, if someone buys a television set with a stolen card, then sells it to you cheap, the police is wrong to confiscate the television set from you and send it back to the original store?
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Well, in my country if you have bought something from someone, and that item was priced in a matter it would be reasonable for you to consider it legal, the police cant confiscate the television set. The original store would just have to get their losses on the original thief and not you.
I think it's understandable illegally bought games are revoked. But revoking 8 months later is to weird. It's seems very unlikely to me credit card company's only revoke their money back 8 months later.
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Sadly, it can take months until the bank acknowledges an illegal transaction and reverses it in their systems. Also, chargeback can be issued later if the owner didn't see first. It may also took several weeks for the companies to be alerted of the fraud, so they had to look up the exact keys that were affected. If they are smaller publishers, it takes a lot of extra hours and manpower to do that. So yeah, even a year later can be a reasonable time, which sadly just plays right into the hand of these shady sellers, who are mostly likely operating under brand new names (maybe brand new businesses) by then.
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In my country, and i think most countries work the same, if you do that, usually they dont give it back to the store because the credit card company would still pay for it, sience its their responsability that the credit card got stollen. The credit card company, to make it safer for their users, have nice policies of returning the cash to the owner of the card and take the loss on themselves when that stuff happens (but thats just a policy, to make their bussiness better, and they are not forced by law). It could be confiscated as evidence, but only by the police (not by the credit card company, nor the tv seller), and just as evidence, and then it should (if the system works fine and fast) be returned to the criminal. The criminal, if found guilty, will have to pay the credit card company as much as the judge orders (and they usually ask for cash, not products, and if he has no cash, the court could confiscate the TV and any other stuff, like an apartment to earn the money through bids), and then serve time in jail (if thats what the law say). In the case the criminal sells the tv to a used shop, and the transaction was legal (he presents all the documentation required, for instance, we have special certificates to sell a car that need to be aproved by many state departments), then you cannot blame the used shop, and even when you can blame the shop, you cant blame the costumer, as long as his purchase was acording to law.
I think its interesting, cause im not sure if it works the same with steam keys, mostly because it is obscure at this time what is it exactly you are buying (is it the ownership of a copy of a game? the right to use it? at diferent court cases this is still under discusion). If it works the same, and i think it should be that way, then whoever is revoking the keys not only had a zero loss (because the value of each copy is null for them) but also he got paid for that stollen key. Anyway, that is my assumption, i am not sure how that works with keys, and i see no reason for it to work diferent than TVs or ebooks. I would love to hear someone who knows for sure, like a dev that got involved in this stuff, because now im really curious about the subject.
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Well, technically, Steam keys get you an indefinite lease to use a certain software. So maybe a better parallel would be a gym membership pass. If someone buys a yearly pass with a stolen card, then sells the pass to you, the gym will throw your ass out or force you to pay the pass itself after the transaction gets revoked.
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You are asuming the transaction will get revoked, but the normal case is that the credit card company will pay the gym and cover its loss with the insurance they charge on every client (there is a very small time window in wich a purchase can be cancelled, but that doesn´t apply sience they will realize probably after the owner fins out he has to pay for something he didnt buy). After that, the credit card company will stop autorizing payments to the gym and then they will kick you out, sience they wont be getting any money. Some years ago (when i was a kid), something like that happened to websites with suscription, and this is the closest analogy i can find with retail keys. It was easy to find hacker forums that published passwords obtained with stolen credit cards to access certain sites (you can imagine wich ones), and it was well known that those passwords would work for exactly 3 months (wich was the time you could buy in advance with a credit card) and then the account will be suspended (because of lack of payment). In the end, the websites got paid, the credit card users complained their cards were used without their knowledge, the credit card gave them back their money. It is not a victimless crime, sience the credit card company loss money, and in the end, if that happens a lot, it will reflect on the cost of the insurance they make you pay. It was also hard for the owners to go trough all that stuff (and maybe they dont even realize and keep paying for months), but those websites wasnt affected, nor cancelled those accounts.
Still, i would love to hear from a dev who was on such situation (maybe selling keys at their own website and finding out the cards were stolen) to hear what happens in that exact case.
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Me too, because as I recall, they said they are losing money on this. it is a question if they mean hypothetically or literally.
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Ive heard them complaining about G2A on a related (but not this exact) issue. Ive heard devs complaining when they gave their keys to humble bundle, indiegala, etc, for them to sell bundles. In the ideal case, devs would make their games well known, make a small profit, and as soon as the bundle is over, they would be selling the games at the original price on steam. In reality, many resellers bought hundreds of those bundles for like a dollar, kept the keys, and those are the keys they sell at G2A for 20 cents. As a dev, after all the work put on a game, it must be terrible to know that you have a game that wont be bought by many people, and that for a part of that small market (those brave enough to use G2A) those keys will be avaible there for ages almost for free (and they wont be getting any profit). But i think it is unrelated because it is not why the keys are beeing revoked.
I also heard someone say that they lose the money because those buying from a card scammer are paying him, while the publisher wont see a cent of that payment. But the truth behind that is that the publisher already got paid for that game and it is not fair for him to get paid twice for each product, just because someone in the middle commited a crime against someone else.
The only thing i can think of is credit cards saying something like "this is too risky, we cannot work with you anymore, because we are losing too much money". In the gym analogy, imagine the same gym always takes card scammers, then the credit card will say "im sorry, im not working with you anymore because you cost me a lot of money".
To be honest, id say in the end it is hypothetically. If you are an artisan and you sell a bench when someone steals it you will lose the time you spend and the cost of the wood. Sience the time and cost of creating another serial key is pretty much nothing, i guess they mean hipothetically (and that is assuming they dont get the payment from the credit card, in wich case, not only they dont lose, but earn).
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The credit card company takes the money away from the seller AND charges the seller an extra charge-back fee for having buyers that issue charge-backs. The person whose stolen card was used gets his money back, at least if he's not grossly negligent, but not the seller that was robbed this way.
That's why companies like Valve or Riot Games have zero-tolerance policies when it comes to cancelled payments -- your account is immediately blocked, and you better have a very good explanation.
http://blog.indiegamestand.com/featured-articles/steam-key-reselling-killing-little-guys/ for example explains this somewhere.
In the old days, you typically got a monthly credit card billing statement in the mail, so it took a long time to reverse payments. Today it's typically instantly visible online or you also get mobile phone notifications.
=> I doubt the porn sites you speak of kept their money (or credit card company policies changed). A credit card company would be 'double out of money' if it reimbursed both their own customer (the victim) and the seller.
Note that conspiring with a seller to steal from a credit card company is way too easy in the model you assume.
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The problem is not just sites like G2A or Kinguin. Your games can be removed even if it is bought at steam.
I made a trade with someone here ( i can't remember username as he unfriended me and steam support is no help in any way when you need) and got a steam gift (RS Siege) and a month later it was revoked due to payment error (probably bought with a stolen card and bank chargeback the money).
So if there is no G2A or Kinguin alike all those fuckers will use steam instead. Only way to prevent this not to trade unreliable persons.
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That's why Steam games are only tradable after 30 days, and merely giftable before. To give you the idea that a Steam trade protects you, while a mere gift does not.
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We are talking about games beeing revoked after 3 or 4 months. I bought space farmers at G2A 15 days ago, it came with an extra gifteable copy that i could trade for some honest person in 15 more days, while they might revoke it in 3 months. Trades are not safe at all, unless they decide on this case to look the other side. Actually, this is one of the reasons i was posting earlier that im ok with a 15 or 30 day period in wich the key gets revoked but not with the idea of revoking keys any time they want.
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@talgaby. The problem with that is that there is no police here. So they decide... they implement.... you got no defense. So it is up to them right? They revoce cause it is easier to them than to find out what happened in each case. So.... it is easier to me to steal the games. And btw, bittorenting is not illegal. It is sharing, from one point of view. So in your case the owner of the stolen tv decides i am guilty (for the tv set i bought cheap) and removes the tv. Althought i could aquire the tv without paying, i chose to pay . But my dealer was a fraud , and i get to pay for this. So, what i say next time, i will just get the damn tv for free. Since the tv seller - owner choses this solution. Each act comes with a react. Why ? for same reason they get to punish me cause they can. So i can to. And yes , talgaby, you are hypocrit to among with the others.
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@ Sleuteltje in your country to, programs are 0 and 1. They are not tv sets. Practically 0s 1s and the job done to mach these 0 and 1 in a way they call it programming. The program seller won t lose a penny, cause he wont spent anything more or work more than that, wich is not the case with the tv set or other goods. So it is not the same.
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Anyone on here ever get any of their games revoked? I just got Rochard revoked without any explanation. Read their FAQ's and it say's that the publisher can do it if they suspect a game was frauduently purchased. I bought the game in September 2015 but honestly can't remember where - might have even won it in a competition for all I know. Just wondered what other people's thought's on steam revoking a game without more clarification. I'm not bothered with the game as like most people on here I have a large library and it's pretty cheap to purchase again if I wanted to.
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