The Last Remnant?! :D
Thank you very much, seems pretty under-rated.
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thank you and Happy Ramadan, have a blessed month.
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LOL
You're not really expected to wish us a Happy Ramadhaan. It's not your religious practice. )
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Xmas is a hijacked/mashed together holiday anyway. You do know some parts of the world still call Christmas by the original name? That being Yule. Google it.
Danes call it Jul, English used to call it Yule (still do but Christmas is more prominent), Finnish call it Joulua, Iceland uses jól, Norwegians call it Jul, Estonian Jõulud, Scots Yule, Swedish Jul.
Jul can be even traced back to Odin so when the above mentioned countries wish each other Happy Jul or Yule they could be saying "Happy Odin day" so don't be so sure to connect X-mas as a religious holiday for Christians when all powerful Odin is at play.
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i hate organized religion, especially islam because according to the quran and the teachings of prophet muhammed, i shouldn't have the right to live, but thanks for the giveaways
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Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "
Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Qur'an (4:89) - "They wish that you should disbelieve as they disbelieve, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper."
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Muslim (19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."
Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 992: - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
i could go on and on but you get the point.
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grab any quran/hadith and look them up. you'll find them, i'm sure
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Wow! According to what you just posted, I am surprised you and other non-Muslims aren't all extinct. Especially, considering there are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world (and growing). I guess the majority of them must not understand those verses properly. You should keep this to yourself, bro. We wouldn't want them figuring out that they are supposed to kill all these non-believers!
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i'm surprised that i'm still alive with all the death treats that i used to get from muslims when i was a more active on this issue. just remember that there are many kinds of muslims with millions of different opinions, i never said that all muslims think that i should be killed, but a lot of them do, some even said that they'd personally kill me after i told them all the things i do/did that are not allowed in islam
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Take your tinfoil hat off. You sound like a child who just googled things about Islam. A lot of Muslims want you dead? How many is a lot? What is a lot to me could be a few to you. Vice versa. Would you believe me if I told you a lot of Christains, Atheists, Buddhists, etc probably want you dead too? Regardless of that fact, why don't I believe a word you say?
You say you hate organized religion, especially one that wants you dead, i.e. Islam. But then you admit that the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims could care less about you and what you do, and yet you hate Islam as a whole. How much sense does that make?
Why do the extremists always have something to say. Why can't y'all just sit in the corner and be quiet?
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/30/us-islam-views-survey-idUSBRE93T0TK20130430
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-exec/
"Your argument is essentially this. "I got threats from some black dudes because I said the N-word, so now I hate all black people." Would a reasonable person say that?"
i didn't say that i hate muslims, so you your assertion is flawed
my issue with islam is not the average muslims who doesn't think that i should be killed or punished in any way, but the significant minority that interpret the religion in a way that is far from peaceful and fair. i don't hate or blame them for being dangerously deluded, because the way i see it, islam can easily interpreted as the wicked religious ideology that isis, al-qaeda and taliban are fighting for.
i'm often told by muslims that islam can be interpreted many ways. well, i interpreted it as a religion that that does not allow me to live, with many muslims agree with me. now, wouldn't i be an idiot not to hate it. this like asking a jew to not hate nazism even though most neo-nazis don't go around killing jews. good luck with that
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i did read the quran and i know the teachings of the prophet muhammed. it's clear that an ex-muslim homosexual prophet muhammed insulting person is not allowed to live according to islam. am i wrong?
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Say what?
One of the primary tenets of Islam is the right of each person to believe whatever they want to believe.
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4:89 is correct. But it is out of context. That verse has to do with war times. Not sure about the rest. If you want to really know, use google and read what a Muslim says in response to above said quotes. Not someone else. Not because they aren't knowledgeable, but they seem to ignore context. People who don't believe always take things on face value and run with it. That's true in life with just about everything.
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Bismillah
I don't know how much you know about Islam, so I'll approach your question as if you know nothing and go from there.
To start, Islamic religious texts are written in "classical" Arabic. At best, what Gamme has proffered is a translation of some of those texts. I will avoid discussing the accuracy of the translation to save time. All of those translations, however, are taken out of context, and none of them come with their exegesis.
If you learn nothing else about Islam, you should learn that it is a religion based upon textual authority. The Qur'an is the text dictated by God (glory be to Him), and the Sunnah is (basically) the text dictated by Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur'an is the Law, and the Sunnah is the explanation of that Law. The correct understanding and practice of Islam is that of Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Companions, and any other understanding or practice of Islam is a going astray.
When someone (anyone) claims that something is part of Islam, therefore, the following questions must be asked and answered:
All claims must be authenticated in this manner. If a person cannot cite the text, the supporting exegesis, and the explanation of that exegesis, his or her claim is baseless and he or she is in danger of telling a lie against God. (This is a very, very big deal to Muslims.)
Now, as I am not a Scholar and have not memorized the entire Qur'an, nor any of the major collections of Ahaadeeth (collections of Muhammad's sayings and teachings), nor any of the major books of exegesis for either the Qur'aan nor Sunnah, I am not really qualified to speak at length about any of the texts which Gamme mentioned. (Yes, it takes a lot to become an Islamic Scholar.) Also, seeing as how you are not familiar with any of the texts I mentioned, I will have to limit my answer to what you might understand. That being so, "the short version" of the answer to your question is as follows.
1) Bukhari (52:260) relates to Apostasy among Muslims, but all the details and procedures involved are absent.
2) Bukhari (84:57) is similar to #1. All of the important details are missing.
3) Qur'an (4:89) is not a good translation and mangles the meaning quite a bit. The first part is a warning about taking those of a different religion as Awliyaa' (best friends or guardians). The second part mentions the "litmus test" of belief at the time, the Hijrah. The third part is about dealing with those who claim to embrace the religion of Islam while actually rejecting it. This entire verse was revealed at the time when the Muslims were having to flee Mecca to avoid injury and death at the hands of the Idolators and applies to that context.
Quran (8:12) is a close-enough translation to understand the general meaning and is the command given to the Muslims for their fight in the Battle of Badr. They were to aim for the necks and hands of the enemy while they fought, and this they did.
Muslim (19:4294) is a poor translation of a Hadeeth which relates to a very important tenet of Islam. Many books have been written on that one tenet, but I will just give you a brief summary. When the Islamic State is in a war stance, three options must be given to the enemy before hostilities may begin:
1) Become part of the Islamic State, enjoying all the rights and privileges pertaining thereto.
2) Become a vassal, paying a small tax on excess wealth in return for the protection and help of the Islamic State.
3) Take it to the battlefield.
Ibn Ishaaq/Hishaam 992 - Ibn Hishaam was a Muslim Scholar and author of many books. The title from which this is (supposedly) taken is not given here, nor am I able to guess which book might be the source of this...erm...translation. I can't even tell how accurate the translation might be, but I can tell you that this quotation--as presented--is in direct contradiction to authentic Islamic texts. I only give it this much attention because you asked me to do so. Ordinarily, I would simply reject it as not being part of Islam. (Where is the textual evidence?)
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I dislike people like you, People, who take parts of certain ayats and leave others, What about the ayat not to kill anyone outside the battlefield? The one that -orders- you to treat Christians, Jews with respect, The one that teachs us to respect all other prophets? The one that clearly forbids Terrorism, Also, If you knew anything about Islam, you'd know that there are several types of sayings from Mohammad (pbuh), Some have changed throughout the ages, and therefore discounted, Such as the one of killing Muslims who discard their religion as now they are usually eathier given a chance to repent or even left, As for the quoting the Qur'an, You do realize that it also mentions not to attack unless attacked first, You as a person who is clearly not a muslim cannot simply judge us without proper causes, Your arguement is invalid and instead of googling stuff, How about you accutaly sit down with a Muslim, ask them. If we were to do as you say, Then why aren't we at war right now? Shooting eachother or anything.
( God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact God loves the equitable. ) Holy Qur'an 60:8
( The taking of one innocent life is like taking all of Mankind... and the saving of one life is like saving all of Mankind ) Holy Qur'an 5:33
Also I will refer you to Khalaq's post above, He detailed serveral things I have not mentioned.
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Yeah, that's totally not going to explode in our faces :-D
Popcorn time !
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Mind passing some popcorn, boss? I'd say some things in the comments about both points of view, but I don't wanna end up in anybody's blacklists.
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"at least don't forbidden us to eat" ? really?!
Do you have the slightest idea of what Ramadan is ?
First up, no one is forbidden to eat, certainly not the elderly, sickly and kids...it's a way of appreciating how blessed you are every other month of the year and to realize how less fortunate other people may be.
Look it up before you start blabbering.
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Ramadan is among us now!
Happy Ramadan everyone!
For this occasion I'm giving away these:
Deus Ex: The Fall
The Last Remnant
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