send a ticket and ask to get your account suspended.
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Wrong jurisprudence and wrong article
Edit:
8.Termination. SteamGifts may terminate your access to all or any part of the Website at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately. If you wish to terminate this Agreement or your SteamGifts.com account (if you have one), you may simply discontinue using the Website. All provisions of this Agreement which by their nature should survive termination shall survive termination, including, without limitation, ownership provisions, warranty disclaimers, indemnity and limitations of liability.
Also
11.General Representation and Warranty. You represent and warrant that (i) your use of the Website will be in strict accordance with the SteamGifts' Privacy Policy, with this Agreement and with all applicable laws and regulations (including without limitation any local laws or regulations in your country, state, city, or other governmental area, regarding online conduct and acceptable content, and including all applicable laws regarding the transmission of technical data exported from the United States or the country in which you reside) and (ii) your use of the Website will not infringe or misappropriate the intellectual property rights of any third party.
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But why tho? You don't seem to have used it much at all, how does it hurt you having an account here?
I'm not saying that deleting your account is wrong, you have your right, but I'm genuinely curious about it. (not an admin, just a curious passerby)
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There are 2 kinds of people in the world: those who understand privacy, and those who use Google 👀
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Depends on who you call Big Brother. I don't care much about my government: they are accountable for what they do, they are supposedly focused on national security, and all in all they own limited data compared to the world population.
It's crazy how often people tell me: "I'm not interested in Tor because I have nothing to hide, and also, you know, if I use Tor then the government will look into me more carefully". If they have nothing to hide, why would they care about being watched more carefully by the government? If anything, it should make them feel safer 😀👀
Companies like the GAFAM are waaaay above on the creep scale IMO.
And then there's your casual private company like SG, that isn't really something to worry about indeed. But with which is still makes sense to remain careful when you want to limit your digital footprints. Particularly since most companies will entrust your data to third parties, among which usually you'll find some GAFAM or other centralized monsters (CloudFlare and MailChimp come to mind)...
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Privacy is a bit overrated and if you really don't want the world to know about something you don't share it on the internet, you keep it offline.
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How about things other people put online about me without asking me?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouof1OzhL8k
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You sue them. Internet has little to do with that, people already used to spread other people's secrets before the internet.
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I'll sue people for having me in the contact list they store in their Google Account? Or for writing to me from a gmail address? For some reason I don't think this will work...
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You leave your traces everywhere even while browsing here. Perhaps he just wants to remove a single bit if possible.
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So ?
Everyones acting all paranoid about being whatched or traced on internet...
Im not saying its good that government has access to stuff we do online.. But why does every tinfoil hat wearing wierdo always assumes they care about you specifically ?
You are 0.00000000000~1 % statistic. No one cares about you or what you post online. You are not famous and you do not possess nuclear codes or stuff like that. You are a compelete nothing in the wast internet.
Only thing you should be afraid is someone stealing your bank account. And that will surely not happen unless you get fooled and you give someone the information unwillingly.
And having profile here definitely does not affect you. or some trace of you or whatever.
Im not against someone wanting to get out of data base. Whatever, do what you want :D Just stating that its actually pretty useless..
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if the government really wanna know what youtube vids i watch i am perfectly okay with them learning about how a rhino gives birth
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Only an agent of the government would say that.
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Boy, there's a HUGE diference between 1/7.000.000.000 [You in the earth population] and 1/100.000.000.000.000.
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Sorry for exaggerating. But all in all, it doesnt change the point, that there are so many users on the internet that your just a statistic without personality to them.. ;)
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Well, you're right, if you think about an individual, but you're wrong, if you think about knowing a public in a market. Data mining is an exemple
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7 billion people, but only 1/3 has access to internet, so it's actually 2.3 billion.
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you don't necessarily need to be important to get traced. haven't you encountered ads about your previous searchs on google? also these traces you leave couldn't be used for social engineering?
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Youre still a number to them. And automatic system just tailors that for you.
I for one use adblock so I have basically shut out ads out of my net browsing sessions.
And as 'grubs' commented about those rhinos giving birth. I dont care that I was googling cars or visiting several sites, that now there are in ads and suggested pages. I dont see how it affects others.
Its an illusion. You see something you previously googled, you suddenly think its personal. No it isnt. Theres probably hundreds of people who are getting the same ads as you now. Still - a statistic. A number. You whatch the ad and go to the site to buy something ? Good. Ad worked. You didnt ? You are already an old statistic and they already are trying to tailor to someone else.
Regarding your question about social engineering. I think we are too late to start discussing this. If I understand the term correctly, something like this has been used forever. People are manipulated and bombarded with ads everywhere. You just have to try not to give in for flashy ads and stupid celebrity spokesman ;)
PS - I dont support that your information gets to someone. Dont get me wrong. I would love if I could get off the internet. Out of government data bases. But the things you do daily are more revealing then this on internet. Go to bank, doctor appointment, mall, renew your passport.. You willingly give information to the government for them to track you. I cant count how many times my email has gone to "associate firms" when I sign up for something. (e.g. for some kind of discount).
But everyones worried about the fact that some reseller will have information that you googled 10 inch black dildo. :) All Im saying is that I dont consider that to be such a tragedy everyone builds it up to be,.
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who are they exactly? it doesn't have to be a huge organization or government
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Sorry for late reply.
By them I meant government and organizations. For an individual to track you, you have to be somewhat special - rich, influential or something like that. And even when we talk about hackers (individuals or groups) even to them you are just a number. Either you have something important on you or you dont..
So in my opinion - I doubt majority of internet users have anything to worry about (unless you post something controversial). But even in that case, its common sense not to post questionable things on twitter or in comment sections at all.
While there is of course trace of your doings on internet. And usually its posible to dig something up about you. Its not really something that worries me. When I use twitter, facebook or other type of social medie that basically tracks your life, I usually think what I want others to see and what I dont whant them to see. Its actually pretty impressive how you can, using logic, keep your traces on the internet pretty misleading about you :D
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Yeah, I know. But I also know that I'm insignificant enough that nobody really cares about what I do.
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https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/EU-Directive-95-46-EC-Chapter-2/93.htm
Article 12? Hmmm nope. Please try again :)
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Article 12 is currently the correct reference (at least that is the Article that EU Courts ruled on re Google), more specifically 12(b). When GDPR becomes law next year that makes the right to be forgotten rather more explicit.
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It is indeed the Article used in the Google case, but isn't really applicable here.
Unless SG has european subsidiaries that we didn't know about.
Apart from that in its current incarnation it's a shaky subsection "(b) as appropriate the rectification, erasure or blocking of data the processing of which does not comply with the provisions of this Directive, in particular because of the incomplete or inaccurate nature of the data;". The wording is...less than ideal. GDRP will make it properly explicit but isn't here yet.
All that being said, using a thread to do this request....still makes me smile.
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The thing is, according to EU law, he has that right. And I don’t think having that law is a bad idea. Not for steamgifts.com, but for other sites (I am looking at you Facebook)
Edit : not article 12
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This is a privately owned American site (something that many, many users around here seem to forget all the damn time), so even though EU laws dictate that it should be possible, SteamGifts is outside that jurisdiction.
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Canadian, I thought? But yeah, the basic point is right:
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The site was registered on the Amazon hosting services, and even its servers are located on Amazon's Virginia server farm. The site owner could be Canadian (difficult to tell since seems to be most Canadians use American instead of English, so spelling in general is not an indicator), but the site itself is very American.
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I seemed to recall seeing somewhere that its registration or tax address was Toronto-based, but I could be wrong.
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difficult to tell since seems to be most Canadians use American instead of English, so spelling in general is not an indicator
We use both and it depends on the speaker which spelling is used. This extends to both dates (month/day & day/month are both used) as well as measurements (we sell apples by the pound but deli meat by grams). Living here is as confusing as it sounds :/.
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Now just add French Canada for some giggles (the not unified weight system is just wtf)
But at least canadian bills look pretty happy, if I recall correctly :D
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the not unified weight system is just wtf
Ya it kinda is. For small quantity/light goods like candy/nuts/deli food, you use grams. Then, when something becomes heavy enough to use as a weapon, you switch to pounds (apples/potatos/meat). But, when something becomes too heavy to be safely used as a weapon, you switch back to kilograms (a bag of rice or bird seed). However, when talking about something even heavier than that or your own weight, you switch back to pounds (e.g. luggage weight limits at airports). Yet, while we talk about ourselves about ourselves in pounds, the doctor wound record it in their files in kilograms (same goes for person height; speech is in imperial but records are in metric).
But at least canadian bills look pretty happy, if I recall correctly :D
We are currently changing the artwork on the bank notes but the colour scheme and order (blue/purple/green/red/brown from lowest to highest) is always the same. The new $10 is already out and I think the $5 is due sometime next year.
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But who.is says the domain is registered in Panama :O
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It is a common misunderstanding. It is Whoisguard itself that is registered in Panama, to avoid the prying eyes of governments where there are still some semblance of laws left:
http://www.whoisguard.com/legal-tos.asp
And when they protect a registrant, they naturally post their own information there, as the middleman safeguard. This just means that the registration used them in the middle to obfuscate the original name and email address.
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It's a genuine question :
Even if Steam is based in America, since it does commerce in EU, it have to respect EU laws.
SG does allow EU users, so why it shouldn't respect EU laws ?
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Steam has a much higher chance of coming to the attention of the authorities, and thus has more to lose than SG. And there's the whole "what good would it do the EU to try to enforce this?" argument, which, I promise you, is always a factor in government decisions. The chances of anything happening with regards to SG not deleting an EU user's account are miniscule.
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The key word is "commerce".
Steam has sold goods to an EU destination, and is therefore subject to local trading laws, like any other company trading in that national marketplace.
If simply signing up to an overseas website were enough to suddenly invoke the law of the user's country, all manner of outlandish censorship and legal ramifications could ensue. What if I called the Thai royal family a bunch of incorrigible ballbags, on my own blog, which has a Thai subscriber? Should I be jailed for several decades, or maybe even put to death in accordance with local law, which is now deemed to apply to me here in little old NZ? What if my Chinese readers read some inflammatory posts about Tibet, or one of the handful of North Koreans with internet access read my article about dubious haircuts and hairpieces being a key factor in global warmongering and general twattery?
Absurd. Until some sort of commercial transaction takes place, or the site relocates and becomes subject to EU law, is there is simply nothing to see here.
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Steam itself is, yes. They also had an European company set up strictly to deal with the European market, but some time ago they closed it and moved the job back to the US. Still, as long as they sell their stuff here, they have to comply EU laws, as much as they try to weasel their way out of it.
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SG doesn't do commerce in the EU :)
There is no commercial Trade :)
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Three issues are critical to the determination of the applicability of the law. The first is the location of the company owning the site. The second is the location of the servers for the site. The third is the intended audience of the site. This third element is the most important.
It was about the "EU cookie law" but i think the same apply for any EU laws... The audience of SG is all the world then SG must comply with EU law for EU people (but i don't really care...)
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this is not 100% correct. Even Google had to introduce a feature where you can request that everything they have about a european person has to be deleted if they request it. This is also required for data located outside the EU. The only way around it is to block this site in Europe
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Google has subsidiaries all over Europe. The Google that services Europe is actually a European company located in Dublin. SteamGifts has no such subsidiaries.
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Google Sells Services and products and conducts business.
Steamgifts does not. :)
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those are two perfectly valid points, but a service may also be free of charge ( see facebook).
I mean I wouldn't implement this feature here just because some external government goes freaky about net neutrality... especially since I think there is no business model behind the user data...
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I don't know why this post rubs me the wrong way, but it does. Maybe it just seems overly intellectual and I'm just pairing that up with arrogance? I mean I doubt you had incorrectly site EU law to some North Americans to get your account deleted lol.
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You are part of the system now. There is no escape.
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Why you dwant to delete it? Just dont use it -.- There are no private information about you.
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Du könntest nach deutschem/EU-Recht argumentieren, dass die Infos über deinen Steamaccount (ID64, Lister der Spiele, ...) persönliche Informationen sind auf deren Löschung man bestehen kann. Meines Wissens nach gibt es für zu SG vergleichbare Foren kein Gerichtsurteil, das die Auffassung untermauert oder widerlegt.
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Not implying anything here, but a user could just grab as many keys as possible from giveaways, not activate them and just have the information about his account deleted. Then register his steam account again and repeat that procedure.
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Hmm in some cases that could be true but this person has been registered for 6 years, only entered 253 giveaways and won 1 game which is activated on his account, so I don't see a big deal deleting his account.
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even if your account got deleted, the information that your account was once registered doesn't need to be deleted as well
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I am not intimate with EU law, but I can hazard a guess that it only covers a strict definition of personal information, which an editable username and a link to a Steam account I feel it'd be quite a stretch to consider.
Suspension is one thing, but allowing complete deletion is ripe for abuse. Accountability is the basis of our community.
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LOL best comment on this thread. xD
Thanks for the laugh, bro.
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Does EU law now apply outside of the EU, and transactions enacted therein?
I know the scope has crept to an astonishing level since the original idea of a common market, but even I am surprised by this development...
Your profile suggests that the chances of a hidden giveaway are similar to those of Half Life 3 being released tomorrow, so presumably this is some sort of ill-conceived trolling thread?
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As far as I know it does not stretch outside the EU, but if you offer your services (read: the website is reachable from inside the EU) the EU law can be applied... with no disclaimer being able to reduce the user rights
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What services are being offered in exchange for monetary compensation? :)
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You know the box you checked agreeing with the terms of service and privacy policy? Yeah... you should read it before registrating.
PS: I'm not saying that I read (it scares me).
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you never know if you have accidentally sold your soul somewhere
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Probably, the remaining ToS are just grasping for the lint that is left over :s
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if the ToS are against a law in a country or region the website is used it makes no difference, the law is what the user can enforce
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SG heavily relies on keeping track of everything. By deleting a user, you would leave a hole in the data (giveaways created/received etc). And what if the same user wants to resubscribe? Let's suppose you win something, do not activate the win (sell or regift), request account deleted with all data, then simply resubscribe with a "clean" status?
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- Keep a list of the steamid64 (not personal info) and block them from ever coming back
- Move all comments/threads/GAs/Wins to a user called "deleted" or similar
- ???
- Profit
Pretty easy to implement.
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Keeping the steamid64 is basically all we do at this point.
What other data do you think Steamgifts has about you?
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eMail (the only real personal info I guess)
ips (if they are being logged)
List of games (dunno how that counts)
My comments/GAs (as well shoudn't count as private data)
I don't really know either whats so important there that one would want to have it deleted.
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There's no private data on any of us here on SG, so the law is not really applicable here. Also, this is not a business but a community. Google had to "comply" because they are a commercial company that earns money from users personal data.
I am not a lawyer, but am pretty sure that all your personal emails and search history is NOT the same as "won 1 game 2 years ago" listed on profile associated only with your nickname. No one even knows your real first name, let alone anything else.
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha. :D
That is such a stupid GIF. It made my day. Thank you. :)
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You will have to provide prove, that you are a EU citizen. But you should do that (and have done it) using the ticket system in the first place.
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You won one game here. Unless you have something to hide I don't think anyone cares about or even remembers you. You also use a third-party (Steam) to log in. There is no personal info about you stored here. If you want to be gone you have to contact Steam to see if your account can be deactivated. Good luck with that! This site and how it works is no different than how other sites that require you to use Facebook to log in work. Delete the Facebook account and everything else is gone with it - except for anything in the cache of a search engine of course. Have fun getting Google to remove that too! You might want to remove your Twitch channel that you haven't used in over three years as well.
OMG! How did I know about that!
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As I don't see any option to delete my account on this site or a means of any private communication, I hereby request a COMPLETE deletion of my account and all associated data gathered from it as per Article 12 of the Directive 95/46/EC of the EU law. As the admins can clearly see, I do not use this site anymore and do not wish to do so in the future, so I respectfully ask that my request be granted.
Thank you very much, and have a nice day.
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