Let's think about what happens if SteamBox gets a big market share...

Its so funny that all your points are so wrong. I did explain it to you in the other thread but you couldnt grasp it.

Games have always been cheaper for PC. Nothing has changed that and neither will this. More people buying from Steam will mean better sales can be offered. This could even drive down console gaming prices.

More casual games will be made, maybe. That doesnt mean the games like strategies or simulations will stop. You can still game on your PC too. Kickstarters and massive sales for those kinds of games have shown people still want to play them and there is plenty of money to be made. This way console gamers may be introduced to that style of keyboard and mouse gaming and make sales even more of those kinds of games.

Steam made its OS because Windows was becoming a more and more locked down software with Windows 8. A move they despised. They are not doing the same thing and locking you down.

You seem to have some sort of weird pessimistic view of this that you cant think logically about it and just go off on some wild tangents about it ruining PC gaming. Read into it and about it with a sane mind and you will realise nothing you said is going to be the case.

Did you read the FAQ ?

"Am I going to be using a mouse and a keyboard in the living-room?
If you want. But Steam and SteamOS work well with gamepads, too. Stay tuned, though - we have some more to say very soon on the topic of input."

"What games will be available during the beta?
The nearly 3,000 games on Steam. Hundreds already running natively on the SteamOS, with more to come. The rest will work seamlessly via in-home streaming."

"Can I hack this box? Run another OS? Change the hardware? Install my own software? Use it to build a robot?
Sure."

Sony revealed the Vita TV have just stated they want to be on PC's, TV's, Blu Ray etc (not necessarily their own branded versions) and that would be using the gakai technology. Steam are just keeping up with the competition.

A. False. Steam OS is based on Linux and ports to Linux are not hard to make at all, much closer to PC than a console port. You do not know about certification for it, since it is based on Linux which is open source I doubt it will be the same like certification for consoles.

B. False. Games are pretty casual nowadays to be sure, but SteamBox will hit much harder the console market than the PC one. Consider old Wii phasing out and you'll see things will break pretty even. Anyway games are casual because of demand not because of the hardware. Also newsflash most games are alaready designed for pads or have pad support. With Oculus and the like hitting the market soon, I doubt we'll be using kb&m for more than a couple of years more.

C. With a free OS to developers and users, the word to use is open not closed? Also why 2 OS? It's a real OS so you will be able to browse and do whatever you want, why would you need a second one?

Valve is actually moving past the XBOX1 PS4 generation to create something new, I celebrate an open console that will let me get rid of Windows but still let me use my KB and mouse if I want, also by giving the source code of the OS i am sure I will be able to do whatever I want with my hardware.

Thinking about it for a second? Seems like you didn't do that in the first place.

Most retarded SG thread 2013 award goes to "(you know who)".

Seriously, stupid conclusions. The worst that could happen is steam making exclusives for the box, it might happen, they got to give people a reason to buy it, if it's going to be a pc that acts like a console with nothing exclusive, it's more than likely that building your own pc comes with a better profit in the long run.

And the second thing that could happen is competition on prices for multi-platform games, imagine steambox having the same prices as steam-pc, what will the competition do to acts of this kind? They will be forced to drop their prices in order to keep some money income and to maintain their presence in the market.

Imagine Half life 3 releasing on steambox/pc for 40€, 360/one/ps3/ps4 for 50€ - 70€, now imagine all multi-platform games going the same path, see what happens? Increasing the prices won't make things better for anyone, starting off with the lowest price tags and dropping them every few months works the best for profit. In the end it will be all about price tags in games and exclusives for each console system. And i do believe steambox might be more expensive of a system compared to others but it will pay off in the price tag for games compared to other systems.

You are trying to reason with a guy who said Steam sales have got worse because they made Steam OS. Also saying Steam shouldnt have been spending all the users money on this as it doesnt benefit everyone with a PC like sales do. I think you may lose this battle :D

Games are casualized just because you use controller with them? I could probably play CS with controller, does that make me casual? Nope, but I'm still fucking terrible at it.

Games are made for money (big surprise there, bet ya didn't see it coming) and the big money is in the casual market, because most people don't want to play "hard" game after a "tough day at work" since they're such a fat slobs that they get exhausted by sitting for 9 hours and pushing pencils around.

These people with scuh a limited brain capacity just amaze me every day!sorry if I offended you...but really?is that really how deep you can look into things?only the cons of everything new?if people judged by that hilariously idiotic logic we would have been still in the stoneage... like "what?making new things? PF DO YOU KNOW WHAT MAY HAPPEN!?!??!"

It seems the overlying logic that makes up the majority of opinions opposed to this guy's points is "Steambox is inevitably going to be successful because Valve can do no wrong". I'm not saying GPTrixie is right, but let's not try predicting the future here folks. Both Steambox and SteamOS could be massivley mishandled, and that could have very negative long-term effects on PC gaming.

Everyone here thinks they're a frigging expert.

Most of the points you've made make little to no sense...

A. What do you mean by "certification for it won't be"? What certification? It's based on Linux, if I'm not mistaking it's a remastered Linux Ubuntu that utilizes Steam's Big Picture mode, therefore it will remain free. It will not affect game costs or lead to poor ports either... You don't see PS3 / Xbox 360 exclusives being cheaper than multiplatform games, do you?

B. I'm pretty sure consoles currently hold a significantly larger market share than PC gaming / Steam in specific, however there are still plenty of quality games that are designed with PC gamers in mind, if not entirely for the PC... Also, as far as I know, you will be able to use mouse and keyboard on Steambox. You know you aren't going to forced to put it in your living room, right? Although it would be dumb to buy a Steambox when you can build a PC for less and install the free SteamOS on it, or just use the Steam app, as usual.

C. Why the hell would you need more HDD space, for 2 operating systems? Why would you install SteamOS on your PC, when you can just use the client in big picture mode, for the same effect? If you aren't using it in the living room, just use your primary OS along with the Steam client... No one is forcing you to install and use SteamOS. Nothing changes for you if you don't want it to.

Seems like you're thinking of the worst case scenario.

Heathen! Bow down to our mighty overlord Gabe!

A) Games become more expensive. It's inevitable, need to code not only Windows version, but also SteamOS one will drive up the costs and it might mean more games being poor ports. Plus, while SteamOS is "free" certification for it won't be.

Plausible... But not that bad, there will probably still be Steam Sales (I don't dare think of the shit storm it would cause if Valve didn't have the Sales for a change.)

B) Games become even more casual, just as first consoles and then tablets did to gaming. Self explanatory - games are being designed with gamepad, not keyboard in mind. Strategies? Sorry. Multiplayer shooters like TF2? Nope, I hope you like more CoD clones designed for pads. Simulators? You wish.

Maaayyybeee, but I doubt it. Seriously doubt it. Strategy games sell well enough now even just on pc, and it's not like having another 'console' will reduce the number of people who want to play strategy games.

C) Steam becomes even more of a locked platform, à la iStuff. Now you will not only be pushed to be locked into one digital sales service, but also push to adapt and be locked into new OS. Hope you didn't liked free HDD space, seeing you will now need 2x OS, and Valve will probably try to start pushing exclusives to make it one OS, one they control.

Nah. Not going to happen. Think of the shit storm that would stir up. Valve can't risk the loss of revenue from the Store that they would suffer if they were to start tying people down to their own OS. They could get away with a SteamOS exclusive I guess, but not with forcing people to use only SteamOS.

TL;DR: Stop being so cynical. Those are the worst case scenarios.

Like everybody said, don't be so pessimistic. SteamBox is aimed at bringing console gamers to a more PC-like environment. I can only see good things coming from this. Whether they succeed or not isn't going to affect the entire industry.