not activate a gift or regiftting isn't a mistake it's just use the good people who make giveaway for they profit, also they fuck to all the people who enter the giveaway because they want to play the game.
they don't have any excuse, this people only want to take profit from the good people.
some people try to sell the gift won
other regift for level up in the web
and others just give to a friend who don't participate or only to look great to that friend.
this people need an instant perma ban. and there's no excuse or debat.
also when i make a giveaway i want that the winner enjoy the game and not resell or regift.
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Yes, you are right "mistakes" happen, i've been there
I lost a key to one of my first wins and never bother asking the creator again, cuz i actually entered and won a game i had no interest ever playing, though i came to realize the enormous prick i was, and ended up buying that game myself.
Im not expecting everyone to do the same, one or two games left to activate, i might send a report but that's it
To everyone else, i dont care about their level or ratio, as long as multiple games are left to activate, i do rather give my games to someone else.
Though i'll stick with the blacklists for that, which is fine those were the rules when i joined anyway.
Besides, it would alienate many users that would eventually be nice members of this community
I feel i had this conversation before, i hope i gave a similar response :P
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I'm actually new here so I'm just now realizing about all the bots and what not. I figured I'd win something pretty quick like but instead I watch something go from almost nobody trying to win it a few days out to over a thousand on the last hour or so. Even though the gift has been there for weeks. There are also crazy things that I could never hope to win like Fallout 4 which my the GA my level 0 can join already have over 5k people signed up for. So yeah bots are bad...
On the other hand, personally the community doesn't really seem that great either (from what I've experienced). They expect giveaways from you or they want nothing to do with you. I mean I get it this is a giveaway site, but I can only give away 3 games at a time, and I'm new so I'm not a part of many whitelists/groups yet so it'd be pointless for me to giveaway my games to anything but public. Maybe it's because I have a big ZERO that I'm judged, but I have GA up, and I'll GA as much as I honestly can though it wont be much just bundled games here and there or games I wont ever play.
It could just be the people I've ran into though, but almost all threads I've seen without giveaways half the people are asking for the giveaway... I'm here to socialize a bit too. There's off-topic forums, let's play togethers... It's not all about what I can do for you or what you can do for me... Let's just hang out and be cool with one another from time to time or something yeah?
And I'm like really new, so I could just be seeing the external community and haven't broken into the cliques yet... Either way I'm looking to make friends...
Hello, my name is Doe, how's your day going?
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I wouldn't worry too much, no one should expect you to give anything away in the first few weeks or at all. In fact most people here started creating giveaways only after winning something themselves.
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Yeah, I thought about that only giving away after I won something. But I had games that I didn't think I'd play and would just collect dust in my steam library so I figured I'd give it a shot and start giving away.
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Honestly, if you go by the forums 90% of the entries are bots. I, or anybody else except the admins, honestly, can't say exactly how many of the users are bots, but I think the number is really tiny. You can usually tell some of them by the nonsense comments you will get on some giveaways (and maybe since many of the comments nowadays are indeed bots, that's where the skewed perception comes from).
And expecting to win right away is also, I believe a common feeling. I remember when I had just joined the site, every giveaway I was kind of expecting to win. I was already 'preparing' to play each one of those games. That also goes away and you get more or less used to the 'normal' frequency to win, which is around 1000 entries/win. Instead of getting disappointed for not winning, you get super excited when you win (if it is a game you want to play, which are on my opinion, the only ones you should join..)
Now regarding some users, I feel you. There are a few "poweusers" with super high levels, that feel are better than everybody else, and always complain that all the others on SG are just leechers. When you check their GA's it's only for small groups, each with 10/15 entries. I honestly don't understand participating in some of those groups, but totally respect it, where you have to make X giveaways every week with a minimum value of Y. I feel like you are not really giving it away anymore, you are just making a bad change, where you spend money on games and receive in exchange games you didn't choose. But I'm sure people who participate in those groups have a better reasoning than the one I just gave.
And just a last tip, when you create a GA, go into it with the feeling that you are really giving it away. Don't overthink it, get pissed if someone doesn't say thanks (common courtesy here btw), and whatnot, you will be only hurting yourself.
Overall though, I feel like the community here is pretty cool, if you look past the hate, that is on the internet as whole really.
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There are many groups with different concepts. My group for example, Touhou Giveaways, is based on a fun that comes out of making giveaways, and winning them. I prefer to make giveaways for people that I know, somehow, instead of people that can possibly regift it, not activate, sell, or simply be ungrateful for that. Yes, there are ton of these people especially on L0 and L1, and I can't see anything wrong in it. If you can give away 5 games and get nothing, or give away same 5 games and get something in return, what would you choose? The answer is obvious, and that's why those private giveaway groups do exist.
Every group has different concept and objective. Some indeed work as you described, but others can be really awesome when it comes to the details, for example my group just loves collecting group achievements, and making giveaways even for no gain at all. In addition to that, you're pretty much guaranteed something in return, including titles like fallout 4 which you're unlikely to win on public giveaways.
Do not judge all private groups by one or two, there are really awesome things that people like me can do to change a simple concept of smaller giveaway audience into something awesome.
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I'm honestly not trying to judge by one or two, I'm just judging by what I've seen so far. The one I was interested in had to have a level 5 and minimum ratio of GA Won vs GA Gifted, which I thought was fair. Problem is getting to the level 5 right?
So by all means I didn't try to have a negative annotation to what I was saying, I simply meant from my perspective being a new resident here. I intend to be here for a while, as long as my GF let's me have a gaming budget that is =P lol (She only thinks she controls the finances!!!)
In all seriousness though I hope there was no harm done because your groups sounds like the kind of group I've been looking for, even if I'm unable to join right now because I'm level 0 or whatever I'll keep giving away until I'm able to! Promise.
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Requirements are needed to cut off leechers and people not putting any effort into joining. Our group is highly based on being active, following rules and enjoying it. I totally understand that nobody here is forced to make giveaways, just such people should also understand that private groups are not charity and if you don't put anything inside, you won't take anything outside of it as well. And if somebody can't put a bare minimum to level up himself to L2 (in our case), he's not a person we're looking for, because he wouldn't be able to keep up a good ratio if he can't even give away a bare minimum on SG.
I don't like groups with high requirements that work on 1:1 trades instead of enjoying making giveaways as well, and that's one of the reasons why I am in only two at the moment, even if I could join at least a few more. I really enjoy making giveaways for bunch of friends that I see every day on my touhou chat, even if it doesn't give me any CV whatsoever.
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I see, so you kind of make a game out of it. It's pretty interesting, I never saw it that way. Do people try to achieve those achievements or they just let it happen naturally? And I'm pretty curious about the secret achievement btw.. It's a new perspective, I guess I'm a bit different partially because I ended up here for different reasons. I had the key on my inventory for a long time, and none of my friends wanted to play it. So i just looked for a place that I could give it away for someone that wanted to play it. I don't really expect to win anything, it's all a bonus, and if I ever have keys that I'll not be using, I'll just pass it along. But I very much understand the fun in exchanging gifts with friends.
Oh, and I really didn't mean to judge all private groups. It's just that from time to time you end up meeting someone on the forums that think they are better than everyone else because of their level, and when you check their giveaways they also haven't given anything back to the "community". But as I said, I think the internet makes it easier for people to feel mad, I mean, even our OP seems a bit butthurt because he can't join those groups. But I'm pretty optimistic, I believe these things are the tiny minority that ends up getting too much attention. Overall though, I never thought I would've sticked around, it just happened because most people that hang around here are pretty cool, everyone is pretty happy most of the time.
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Of course there is a small competition and everybody (who is interested, not necessarily whole group) is trying hard to get as many as they can. But that's just a small addition to our private group, because people mostly join us to stick around on our chat, talk casually, get along, and win something nice while they're at it. It works like a small community inside SG community. I know nearly all members very well, because I'm with 20-30 members talking every day on our chat. There are people that just give away games and do not care about SG further, I understand those people. But after you gain a specific level, acieve certain point of generosity, I bet you'd also want to win at least a small part of what you gave away, because SG works both ways, and not only one way. So instead of giving away something (or not), and praising RNGesus for winning a public giveaway with 5k entries, you can instead give away something to small group, and because of our points system, you're guaranteed to get something in return. If you sum up everything I said so far, you'll get an image of a nice, friendly private group, who loves to give away stuff and win awesome giveaways while they're at it. This is exactly what we want to achieve.
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Yeah, I agree on the last point especially. I don't mind if anyone says thank you or doesn't. I'm not giving away for 1 person in particular I'm giving away for the community as a whole. The community is better when I'm giving away games, because if no one is giving away games then this site wouldn't be here.
I only join games I want to win, it was something someone mentioned in a question/welcome post I created when I first started. Lol I see the poster comment like, "I wonder how many of you bots will join this crap game" and sure enough there are 800+ entries by the time it's finished. To be 100% honest, I even looked at something that works like it myself. It's easy to obtain says thanks in every giveaway you join etc etc... I didn't use it because I don't want to use it, but it took 2 seconds to google and would've taken 2 seconds to configure. I was just curious about it because people kept saying bots and I didn't understand.
I didn't expect to win right away I don't think, but I've joined what seems like billions of GAs lol... It hasn't even been a month on the site! lmao!
And the forums I think are a really tiny amount of bots, especially the ridiculously hard puzzles that I always give up and can never finish or the stuff that is greyed out, but I spend little time here because there are few GAs for level 0s. Most of my time spent on the forums is for Group Recruitment and Free Game Giveaway on X Site or the Deals Section.
Thanks for responding though I didn't think anyone would even notice me lol
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I have no problem with support giving second, third, even fourth chances. On my part, though, if I see someone regifting or with recent unactivated wins, they're going on my blacklist and they're not coming off. If someone has already turned it around and figured out how the site works, cool. But I'm not willing to take the risk on recent offenders when there are plenty of good users out there too.
Basically, it just comes down to this: I would rather reward users for reading the rules before they get in trouble rather than after.
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That has happened to me once so far. I sent in a request for a reroll on the grounds of two non-activations and two double wins. Support told me that the suspension had already been served. So I sent the key, made sure he had activated it, and then blacklisted him.
I don't really have a problem with it. It just means that I need to double check the winner in a few days to make sure the game got activated, which I would have done anyway. I would prefer to have a button when making the giveaways, "don't allow people with multiple unactivated wins", but since we don't have that option and probably never will, I can settle for the imperfect "blacklist as I see them" approach.
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Indeed... My first thoughts here was create a thread to know how the hell this place works.
Honestly, it is not easy to understand... even more when english isn't your first language.
I've done well so far, but a few mistakes was left behind.
I see your point and I agree with it. Intentions must be analized... and they may ended up being perma-banned if the person, for example, knows what they are doing...
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Would rather see a bit more effort given to ensuring people DO read the rules to begin with (ie a comprehension quiz) which would allow for harsher penalties for people who, being aware of the rules, chose to break them anyway. Language is a factor, but it's not an insurmountable one, particularly with a community which has already proven itself eager to translate the rules into a variety of languages in order to help out users for whom Google translated English doesn't cut it...
It's a sad fact that many users are too eager to get going and snag some free stuff to bother spending 5 minutes getting a handle on how the site works. There needs to be some way of enforcing this, and making sure that people know the score before they get themselves into strife.
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the thing is that this place's official language is english.
if there's a german site for giveaways, why would i join? and a chinese one? no.
and if i ever decided to take part in their events, i would be extra sure of knowing how it works.
all the people that come here, break rules and later claim "i speak no english, thank" would do exactly the same if the site was in their native tongue. because i find it hard to believe only them don't know english... everyone else registered here from chile, ukraine, mexico, belgium, they all have perfect english?
i think it's a matter of attitude and respect rather than a language issue. :)
and you are correct, some people will do anything for free stuff. they act like desperate refugees grabbing all the games they can and then they run away.
i would understand if someone winning a fallout 4 copy trades it for some tf2 keys and makes a profit... but winning 5 times the payday christmas soundtrack or overture... really, it's $1! why? -.-
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serving time isn't enough. take a time out to get unactivated wins.trade/on sale. I am not with one-time offence-permaban. I do think that suspension is not enough for repeat offenders. and before the suspension is removed, winner should be needed to activate the win on their steam account.(by buying it himself)
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People do make mistakes, but if they don't care about correcting their ways after being pointed out what they did wrong, I think a ban or an extra lenghty duspension should be put in place. So yeah, basically requesting an insta perma ban over the first mistake is dumb. Also thanks for the train!
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This is pretty well covered in the other thread, but if you are supposed to have a game on your account (and you didn't activate it), then you can't log in until you have it on your Steam account profile. This is not a permaban in the sense that it is only permanent if you don't fix it, which you can do at any time by getting another copy of the game and activating it.
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Perma ban for first time offeners is for 3 things: Using Multiple Accounts, Scamming Users, and Misuse of Giveaway Feedback, according to roles.
I am not sure what is considered Misuse of Giveaway Feedback but I am all for banning Scammers and multiple account users, if proven.
Concerning other offenses, users should receive a 2nd (...) chance from the mods/admin but I don't mind blacklisting them. If it was really a mistake, offenders can try to amend themself, e.g. by buying/trading a not activated win; creating a thread saying they are sorry;... I also don't mind to remove people from my blacklist, when I am able to see they changed. I admit that it is of course a very subjective point of view.
That said: Thanks for the train.
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'Misuse of giveaway feedback' is what used to be known as feedback fraud. It's when people mark fake giveaways as received to give the appearance of having actually given something away that they did not, increase their value, etc.. Both the creator and 'winner' are thrown off the site for good.
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Thank you very much for the clarification.
Is marking a "misleading GA" as received also considered "misuse of GA feedback"? (e.g. Stealth Bastard GA, winner gets Stealth Inc. 2 and marks received).
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In those situations, something has changed hands, and, while it often leads to confusion and hassles, we usually try to work something out like deleting the giveaway or changing it to the correct game or something.
What gets you permanently suspended is when you're intentionally conspiring to game the system. They're not really hard to spot. It's almost always really expensive stuff like brand new AAA releases, Valve complete pack, that kind of thing. Always private, always with only a handful of entries all from people on their friend list, and often going both ways.
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Ok, thanks. I spotted & reported one of those a couple of days ago.
Thanks to you (and all other support) for your awesome work!
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Yes, there is a tl;dr at the bottom if you don’t want to read this
Yes I realize this will likely land me in a few blacklists
And yes, there is a giveaway hidden in here
For the past month or so I have seen a massive rise in the number of threads calling for perma-banning of anyone who commits anything against the rules. It just seems like everyone is up in arms over this. I can understand people’s frustration over un-activated gifts, regifted ones, and general rule breaking, but not the rampant hate that seems to be streaming everywhere. I don’t know if there have been more people committing these in the past while, which would explain the rise in threads, or if people are just flaring up, since I have not had this problem for a while.
The point of all of this is that I have been on the other side, and made mistakes. I’ve used SG for almost 2 years and when I started out I didn’t read the rules. Because I was an idiot, I ended up getting banned for unactivated wins & regifting and was threatened with a perma-ban. This was more than a year ago. I served my time, have been giving back to the community, and am now working my way from level 4 to 5.
I can understand the anger and frustration at some of these people, and know that the site has grown a lot in the past 2 years so now bots are a lot more prevalent. But we still have users who will make the same mistakes I did. We still have people who might stupidly try to make a profit from this site before realizing how wonderful the community can be.
What I ask is that you don’t think of these people as evil that needs to be removed from the site immediately. Don’t blacklist someone just because they have an unactivated win from over a year ago. Don’t give in to hating someone for a mistake they made when they still didn’t understand SG.
tl;dr – While there are malicious users, there should not be blanket perma-banned for everyone who makes one mistake. Don’t hate people just because they were stupid. They might end up giving back a lot more than they ever could have taken in the first place.
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