[Denuvo News] Denuvo removed from Star Wars Jedi: Survivor

Where are you seeing this? All I see about that game is that it won't have Denuvo.

And if Mafia 3 doesn't have Denuvo, what then? You probably need to go to Specsavers.

As Dr Beckett said, and as I saw on a couple of websites, it won't have Denuvo.

Nice ethics there.

nice "excuse" you got there.

denuvo inside

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http://steamcommunity.com/games/304430/announcements/detail/510426185159035029

release a shit game with false promises(No man's sky).

Well, at least that game is DRM free so everybody can try it before buying (and puke)

And by creating a very good product and being truthful,they can win against piracy basically(witcher 3)

I agree.

With steam refund policy you literally still can try out the game and refund it if you don't like it or if it is unoptimized.

I don't really think a drm can change that much.
People who pirate will still pirate, it doesn't matter if the price is fair or if the game is drm free

Future versions of Windows are not the problem, the big problem is that Denuvo requires a check against a server, if they shut down the servers everyone will need a crack to play those games. Windows 10 users need cracks to play legit (bought) games with SecuROM.

My Romance of the Three Kingdoms 11 which has SecuROM is being played just fine. No mod necessary, no weird precaution. Install, activate, play.

Where does it say Mafia 3?

Because Steam's built-in DRM (CEG) is your typical half-assed Valve implementation, and any game relying only on that gets cracked within the hour.
That doesn't make big publishers happy though, so Valve's allowing people to use other DRM in addition to/instead of it.

Any real gains vs piracy they get from aggressive discounts. But those don't usually happen in the first 3 months, which is what financial analysts pulling the purse strings look at. Failing to sell enough to recover budget in that time frame means it's layoff time.

+1 I can totally relate to that.

You can't stop piracy, you can just slow it down a bit, thusly creating more pirates who like the challenge :D

its just a reason for poor pirates why they dont buy games (becouse of denuvo)

The point is that the games won't get cracked on release day, which will boost sales in the first few months, which is the crucial point.

Theoretically. Only people who know the actual figures to suggest that it works or doesn't are the publishers, and they'll be keeping the data to themselves. And for decades now they've refused to even consider that DRM is the equivalent of elephant repellent. "There're no elephants around, so it must be working."

This is pretty much why I like the idea of streaming.

As long as internet in North America is monopolized/oligopolized as it is, streaming will likely be too expensive in the long term. Also, there are other considerations.

I always figure a buck an hour is a fair price (though, these days I'm unlikely to pay even that much)

securom

Quiet a few DRM where used before this ..most where crap ...the issue i have with this one is what happens when something else comes a long and they take the servers down and denuvo can no long phone home there for revoke access to your game you paid for??

This is partly why i have shifted more to the console again at least if i buy a game now 10 years from now i can play it without a big FU from DRM.

GOG has proven that DRM free does not kill game sales,digital games are nice but imo we have given up pretty much all control of our games for that luxury

It prevents piracy. That's why people hate it.

(TBH, it doesn't prevent piracy, but rather, makes it hard as you gotta have someone generate dbdata for your computer, usually at cost.)

Of course there's concerns about eventual closure of Denuvo servers too.

This is why I will wait for ~-75% deal for every Denuvo game.

As madjoki mentioned, if the Denuvo servers go down. (And they will go down eventually), you won't have access to the game if no crack has been developed for it.

But also on top of that, there are concerns that it restricts modification of the game in question, and that it may be causing excessive disk writing while in operation, due to the continuous encryption/decryption of game files. This would shorten the life of hard drives, particularly SSDs. Though I haven't seen many corroborating reports that this is indeed an extant problem, and Fallout 4 has a script extender mod so it can't be that restrictive.

Edit: Fallout 4 is not a Denuvo title.

The issue comes in the longevity of the product. If you buy the game and play and forget it right away, you will be fine. But some users often replay the game in an year or 2 when Denuvo strikes:

1. You will have to contact Denuvo servers to reactivate your game if you changes your hardware.
2. You will have to contact Denuvo servers every 30 days(or something along the lines) to activate the product.

So if Denuvo servers are down duo to power outage is likely that you wont be able to access your game if you changed hardware or didnt play the game in last 30 days.

Sigh, think people is missing the point, or at least, an important one: resource hog.
There's a myth, hersay?, that Denuvo causes damage or tear to SSDs because of constant encryption and decription every couple seconds to files, such exe and others, denuvo es an anti-tamper mechanism, not a drm itself, but besides the pc ports (most of them) are released so broken than it should be fined, there's this resource hog in the background eating away your precious resource that we need to further "estabilize" a crappy unoptimized pc port.

I don't care about piracy, I own over 800 titles and I have a huge backlog, I can wait for a sale or nice discount. Plus the games could and should be working as intended by then. Now, Denuvo does not prevent cracking, as you might have seen, they claim they want to make a difference in the firsts months of release, fine, they do have to charge for their work, but they should also release a well developed work to be able, to be entitled to charge at least 60 bucks for those.

Now, what do they say about GOG and CDPR with The Witcher 3? because I've read that TW3 sold the same or more than tw1 and 2 combined, and remember, TW3 gog does not have DRM, so anyone could download and pirate it, still, it sold nicely. CDPR deserve and earnt (earned) their paycheck, yes it may have been flawed but they gave more content and quality development more than any other dev I know, and didn't lost money for it. As of now, anyone whom still not had purchased it (and to support the well deserved team) can and should do so, it's obtainable for 15 dollars or less! so there's no real excuse. I've clocked about 355 hours and I haven't even ran a 2nd pass-through.

OK, back to Denuvo: so, I have an SSD, nobody could prove it damages it but neither proved it does not. What I and others can vouch is LAME performance. BAK? JC3? mostly Batman Arkham Asylum, I haven't tried jc3 yet. An encryption/decryption with TRIGGERs every few seconds/minutes most likely should cause slowdowns, why? haven't you paid your game already? isn't enough to drop thousands of dollars in expensive shiny powerful hardware to be able to run whatever you want in the highest detail? why should you endure a "cinematic feel" like a console if you have the horse power to run it?

Unnaceptable! that's what it is!
It's proven it does not prevent piracy, and at least myself I don't buy shit I can't try before, there's no demos anymore, so how would I know if it runs in my old pc? my toaster? how would I know if I like it even if it runs? refunds you say? uh huh so steam could lock you up someday because you abused refunds eh? yeah no thanks, refunds should not be exploited, HECK nothing should be exploited!

Give back demos, spend that Denuvo money by actually DEVELOPING the game the right way, then when I see and have confirmation it runs like it's supposed to, I'd buy your damn game! no need "convincing" with shitty intrusive tools, anti-tamper crap running in the background!!

wow, thanks for letting it off my chest. I was kinda fed up of reading people repeating over and over "uh it's for piracy" well no, it's not for piracy, for once, it's an invasion of privacy and unnecessary crap! Wish they spend that money in development, that when they use it, they should fucking SAY so and not keep it quiet, hidden, like they are doing. Why all the secrecy? Have you wondered why no one says how much they paid for denuvo? why it does not say in steam page certain game uses it? why must one find out after purchasing it? I don't want to wait until then to know I've bought a game with that crap, let me know, disclose all the fracking INFO before, since you're getting our money BEFORE we get to play the game..

Thanks for reading, hope I got to open your eyes a bit, take off that blindfold please :)

**charkel this wasn't specifically addressed to you, but for everyone maybe not knowing more to this matter. Hope you don't take it wrong.

I consider all games with Denuvo "Denuvo news", because some people against this DRM buy some games without knowing it until it's too late. And if "denuvo do encrypt data every few seconds" (comment) it definetely affects global performance because encryption of any kind is a CPU intensive task.

you know rumors these days are the new facts. Go figure why :')

Added all except Mad Max because I read it is not properly cracked or there is not a proper scene crack like the other games. TY!

MGS V is cracked, but like Mad Max it only works for some, so not real proper crack.

Looks promising :D

Scene groups should focus on latest releases to discourage developers/publishers from using Denuvo.

It reduce performance and there has been also complains of damaged SSDs (there has been more cases of ssd failure on people using Denuvo protected software than it was statistically expected, though the cause wasn´t properly established so it might be a coincidence). Sience denuvo has been bypassed, and each game seems to get cracked faster Given that, its weird that if you wait for the pirated copy (from a trusted source), it will be better than the original. Also, some people would complain on any DRM because of their tradition of shady practises (for instance, the 2005 Sony scandal). In general, they fight piracy in a way that affects their costumers and usually fails to achieve its goal, so its a pointless sacrifice.
But yeah, most people complain because they wont be able to get pirated copies the first day. Probably they are pissed because they want the game badly and feel like crap if they cant play it. Also, probably they would be happier, feeling no need at all to play those games, if companies didnt invest more money on advertising than they invest in actually making a good game. XD

It's not specific to Denuvo, but for restrictive DRM in general -- the main issue for me is that there is no guarantee that I will be able to access the game I've paid for 5, 10, 20+ years down the line if I have new hardware and the activation servers go offline. There's also the issue that they don't really tell you what sort of restrictions may be present with the license prior to purchase, like if there are any sort of machine activation limits or if internet connections are required when installing on a new machine.

With Denuvo in particular, sometimes the devs don't even know what sort of restrictions it may impose on user license:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/300060/discussions/0/350532536095743886/