You don't have to hunt anyone down, simply leaving a message in one of their GA's or on their Steam profile and/or doing a FR on Steam suffices. If they don't answer, just link Support to your effort and ask for a reroll, should they not respond. I guess seven days is a fair amount of time due to some people not being able to hit up the internet/Steam on a regular basis, I personally never had any issues with that time frame.
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I guess seven days is a fair amount of time
Given that it's the matching element to the "Winners should not pester GA creators within 7 days" rule, I'll gladly accept needing to babysit auto-joiners* in return for minimizing the number of openly rude interactions that I have to deal with. 🙄
*And when it's not an auto-joiner, you may be surprised by just how positive contacting your winner can be- generally, if they're unable to keep a steady eye on SG, and they're not an autojoiner, it often means their life is overly stressed and they could really use something nice- like a free game combined with someone offering their time and energy to make sure it's received. Considering how low-impact (or completely absent) win responses can often be be, getting that kind of positivity in response to your gifts is well-worth a bit of delay.
I was pretty leery of the one-week rule at first (and honestly, I'm still not comfortable with the general 'GA creators should always cater to winners' vibe- I still feel that if someone is giving you something for free, you should be the one putting in a basic amount of effort), but after a few years on this site, I definitely see why it's in place: I'd much rather have a site that enforces mutual respect, even when it does so heavy-handedly and in a way that supports site exploitation, than one that encourages casual dismissal of someone else's life circumstances.
Of course, the enforced "find a way to contact your winner" element is the part that makes it all somewhat iffy, and can feel rather frustrating when when dealing with private profile users with inactive e-mails- but it's rarely something you have to actually worry about, by my experiences. (Though, it really feels rather unnecessarily redundant now that the site has automated e-mailing on wins, thus further emphasizing how awkward it is to insist GA creators are the ones responsible for ensuring winners pay attention to their wins.)
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the similarity [between you and Suess] is remarkable
Oh?
One wish. Two wish. Pie wish. Cake wish.
Tasty dish. Sweet dish. Pie dish, cake dish.
This one has a little star. This one looks like a car.
Say! What a lot. Of desserts there are.
Yes. Some are red. And some are blue. Some are old. And some are new.
Some are rather rad. And some are just a fad. But each one'll make you oh so glad!
[Continued >>]
I'm sure I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to. >.>
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I created a ticket when one person didn't confirm after 6 days. Asking what to do. I was asked to supply screenshots of contacting the user, and that I sent the key. I mean, I have sent out 98 games in 3 weeks, surely it's easy for them to see the winner haven't logged in for 6 days.
It just feels wrong trying to be nice and then have to prove that people don't accept the win.
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I won a game while I was on holiday and as of that I couldn't redeem until the 7th day. Sometimes it happens when people don't have access to a PC because remember you need the client to activate codes there is no other way.
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remember you need the client to activate codes there is no other way
I'm not so sure about that...
https://store.steampowered.com/account/registerkey
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Oh that's somewhat recent thanks for telling! That makes it a whole lot easier now.
My bad.
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Not that new though ^^
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/npu9b/activate-a-product-on-the-steam-website-no-client
But yeah, quite convenient. Also you get a direct link to it next to each of your keys on your won list page: https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaways/won
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Seven days because people have the time to accept and mark received taking into account real life. And you have to prove that you have contacted the winner so that support knows you really contacted the winner before asking for the re-roll.
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Ah, of course. This is one of 99 giveaways. I'm merely complaining that I need they need proof that the winner didn't accept it. Not hard to see he's been offline for 6 days. Then require that I hunt him down. That's what bothers me. I like to give and make people happy
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I think it's more so that the volunteer support members don't have to do the leg work. We can all pitch in our little bit by providing links or screens, then they can do it fast. I'm usually more annoyed with the winner, and I BL them so it won't happen again unless they contact me.
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It feels dumb but it's actually only a matter of uploading a screenshot of you posting "hey you won a game on SG" on one of their GA or steam profile. I only had to do it once, I told them after 4-5 days on one of their GAs then if needed, create a reroll ticket on the 7th day for efficiency. It's not too bad if you know what to do.
If you have any questions, asking on forum/discussions is 100% faster than a ticket, support is already over their limits.
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Nobody cares about your "extra work"
Them's the rules, if you don't like it.. there's the door.
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Not sure why they chose 7 days, does seem to be a fairly long time but I guess its so people can check once a week? But, if you sent the key via SG and they don't log in for 7 days that is sufficient proof from my understanding.
Edit: Or even if they did log on.
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Yes, from my experience a screenshot of the winner page showing a sent key is enough when asking for a re-roll.
Though it would be nice if staff could do this without the screenshot.
If the issue is the key being visible to staff, the code should not show it for them, just that the key has been sent.
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Yes, the winner haven't been online for 7 days. And sure, I actually emailed him yesterday. Just feels silly I'm trying to be nice and am forced to supply screenshots that I actually contacted him and sent the key. Anyone can see he's not been online for a week
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users need to prove they gave away a key or tried to contact winners, else people would exploit and make a mess of the site when their giveaways aren't redeemed instantly. there are users extremely impatient on sg, both winning and creating giveaways.
the threshold is 7 days, after than you can ask for a reroll by saying the winner didn't bother redeeming the game and sending a screenshot like this (that should be enough since we have no way to track sent/received dates).
also if there's an eye icon near the key it means the winner revealed it. you need to make a request received feedback ticket instead. ^^
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No, you're expected to take a screenshot and tell support "They haven't been online in a week, I'd like a re-roll please. Thank you." It's way less effort than making a thread and responding to dozens of people.
I'm sorry that you have a user that won your giveaway and has been absent, but it really seems like you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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well, it's on the 8th day, that's why your reroll got denied. that's all.
The winner has not redeemed my gift, and I'm unable to get into contact with them. How do I proceed?
If you've been unable to reach the winner of your giveaway using e-mail and Steam after seven days of your giveaway ending, and they have not yet activated or redeemed any keys or gifts you attempted to send, please contact support to request a new winner.
"after seven days" = 7+1 days, not 7.
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Be careful, he may challenge you to fisticuffs if you continue to point out the obvious.
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Well, but Peter has a point - if someone didn't logged in for a week after giveaway ends, why giveaway creator needs to proof that he tried to contact winner? I mean, winner gets mail with notification about win - he don't know if it is gift or key without logging in, so after week without logging in it should be assumed that he is out of contact.
But even then I don't think that writing "hey, you won one of my gibs" and make a print screen of it is such a pain in ass.
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That's kind of a shame you're letting your impatience get the better of you like this. If you really don't care about levels, or that you don't really have a purpose to making giveaways... why is contacting the winner once or twice and then sending a screenshot after a week of no response too much work?
I don't get it, my man. I'm in the same boat as you right now. I've had to email people about marking their wins probably a dozen times. I've emailed somebody about that today. (Edit: and I just checked and that person has marked their win!)
It's just.... it's just not that big a deal.
Don't let this get the better of you.
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Well, I'm not really sure. I just read the rules and it says I must send and they must accept within 7 days.
I'm just really trying to be nice here, even been buying games I don't need to give away.
Basically I don't care if people accept my gift, what bothers me is when I created a ticket and asked how to handle this, I was told to supply screenshot of when I tried to contact the user, and and also a screenshot of sending the ticket. I mean, he haven't been online for a week, and I give away lots of games, this is the first not received, why distrust me?
I have no interest in giving away games if it give me problems.
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I think you're taking this far too personally. They're not distrusting you, it's just policy. It's... pressing f12, posting it on imgur, and copy pasting a link. I haven't heard of them asking proof of YOU submitting a ticket - of course they know you opened a ticket, they'll be communicating to you through it. Do you mean of you sending the win? So... two screenshots.
It's not really a problem, I promise you. And, if there's no time limit for you, if it takes some time - again, what does it matter?
Maybe it's time to step away, and come back later with a clearer head.
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The rules are specified thus because you can email your key to the winner, thus you have to provide proof that you sent the key. In your case, if you used SG to send the key, just send a screenshot of where it says you sent the key.
The mods aren't here to punish you. If it seems like you've done your part, as it does here, then they'll understand that and grant you the re-roll.
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You got reasonable explanations why it is required (though I agree that with the new mails informing about wins that should actually be sufficient) and also suggestions how to easily provide the required confirmation.
You act as if it would be a huge burden while it is actually more like 3 minutes for the complete process.
Three minutes for a once in 100 scenario and three minutes that are nothing compared to the time generous people already invest in creating giveaways itself.
If you want to be upset about an additional 0.5% time investment compared to not having to provide any confirmation, so be it.
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No one here will miss those keys and your friends will appreciate you for it. Win-win.
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You don't seem to mind wasting your time here though, as it doesn't seem that anything could possibly change your mind nor will your fury change the current system. So what do you want?
You claim that you want to be nice. But so are most others here. The other people who give games, just as you do, and who aren't troubled by this possible 3 minute scenario.
Or the people in support, who answer to your and all other tickets for no other reason but to create nice experiences for all.
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I'm having a similar problem, still waiting for an answer from support. Winner actually accepted the steam gift without ever answering any of my messages but never activated it or mark it as received.
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If support has to do the work that you suggest, then it might mean to check 100 for them on a consistent basis from all the tickets they will receive.
Comment, crop in paint and upload to imgur only takes 2 minutes.
Finds a few groups where you can giveaway your keys to reduce this from happening.
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I like this idea. If the person hasn't been on Steamgifts for seven days, allow a re-roll.
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If they haven't logged into SG in a week, then all you have to do is say "They haven't logged in in a week" and support will grant a re-roll.
The 7 day period is fair because sometimes you're sick or away for a few days, and it would suck to miss out on a giveaway because you were too busy with real life stuff. If people can wait 7 days to receive a gift, I don't think it's asking too much to ask you as the gifter to wait 7 days for someone to accept theirs.
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Peter74
The winner haven't confirmed the win for almost 7 days and doesn't seem to have been online since the win. I e-mailed him yesterday (12 ½ hours ago). Can I just request a new winner when it turns 7 days or what is the proper procedure?
"Hello!
You won my giveaway for "Into The Gloom" on SteamGifts 6 days ago.
According to the site you haven't been online since then.
Please remember to login and receive your gifts as soon as you can.
Best regards, Peter Loborn"
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Ronix
(Super Mod)
Hello Peter.
Could you please provide some proof that you attempted to contact the winner? Screenshot of the sent email will do, or a pending friend request, or a sent key on the giveaway winner page.
You could upload it on imgur and post the link here. If a key is visible, be sure to hide part of the key before you do so.
Standard procedure in case they contact us about it.
Thanks in advance.
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So you sent the key via SG I assume? So you take a screenshot of the page where it says you sent the key (Snipping tool on Windows makes it easy), upload it to imgur, post the link to support.
Yes, it's a bit of a pain. But it's honestly a pretty rare occurance.
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It's all good, but keep to the discussion,doctorofjournalism.
I found it frustrating being told I need to provide screenshots from soneone not being online for 7 days after winning my givewaway.
If you have nothing valuable to bring into the discussion it might be better to not post silly imgs
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Tzaar, not a joke though. Getting pissed off from all disrespect, so if
doctorofjournalism want to bring it on I would happily break every bone in his body with a smile on my face
Sure....
I'd also like to take this moment introduce you to the edit button.
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Oh, he knows. He already deleted the more blatant threat.
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While I do tend to be rather sarcastic, the situation has been explained to you in several ways. You simply don't like what you are hearing.
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As I already said, that's perfectly fine:
No one here will miss those keys and your friends will appreciate you for it. Win-win.
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Why do you think the OP has needed to try to be nice fourteen times in this thread, already?
Self-evidently, being nice is not something that comes natural to the OP, and thus repeated tries are necessary.
Ergo, the logic isn't necessarily faulty- though, given the direction the thread has gone, the sincerity of the attempts is certainly in question.
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If you mean to be nice, so be really nice. If you don't mean, don't be nice
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Say what? I think it's nice to give away games I don't need. But why would I be as patient when people are trolling? Or like when one winner of the giveaway doesn't log in for 7 days. Why is this so hard for you people to grasp? I don't get as nice if people annoy me, this is however not what is discussed
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Do you know? I don't really know why I answered that. Sorry. I've read again, you're right. I agree. It's annoying. 7 days is a reasonable period. You should be able to re-roll by yourself once 7 days are gone.
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For people with low intelligence or people not up to speed, this is the problem:
I joined 3 weeks ago, been giving away 98 games, Then one game is not confirmed. He hasn't been online for one week. When creating a ticket asking if I should give it to someone else, I got told I need screenshots of finding this person, and screenshot of actually sending the key.
My point, is that anyone can see that the winner haven't been online for 7 days and that all other gifts were successful. So why would I have to prove anything when trying to be nice and give people games I don't need?
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I think people who participate in a contest (aka. giveaway) should be aware that they need to check if they win. A week is enough.
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I can completely understand the frustration of feeling like you have to prove yourself when you're just trying to give away a free game to a stranger, and the annoyance of trying to chase down the winner. Especially now that Steamgifts sends e-mail to winners, and especially now that Steam allows key activation over the web, it should be very rare that someone can't collect their winnings within a week. However, I also know that at this time of year, a lot of people are travelling for Christmas and New Year, schools are on Winter holiday break, etc.
I have given away more than 5000 games on Steamgifts and my advice would just be to try to not worry about it. The "7 days rule" is not law. You are free to wait more than 7 days, if you're a patient man. I usually wait at least a month before I give up and try to find a new winner...
But out of 5000+ giveaways I've only had this happen 2 or 3 times (unresponsive winner), so I think you've gotten extremely unlucky to run into this problem so early in your SG "career" and hopefully won't encounter this issue again for a long time.
The reason why support will ask for proof is because there are some people who will discriminate against the winner and want to select a new one because they don't like the person who won. And if the winner wants to know why they lost their winnings, support will have to respond with the reason why they awarded the game to a different person. So having the screenshot of the chat or email will establish documentation and help them to answer that question, should they be asked.
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Thanks for the input and understanding my feelings. I would understand if admins argues about a person being online, but out of 99 gifts 98 been successful, and anyone can see he's been offline for 7 days.Maybe I'm just sensitive, but I didn't expect having to prove myself
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I recently had a similar experience where the winner hadn't been online for almost a week after my GA ended, and for even longer on Steam (something like 18 days), I added them there just in case. I waited to see if they would come online again but there was no sign of activity on their end for over a week. So I made a reroll request. This was during a busy period, so support still hadn't responded to my ticket for a few days. Then seemingly out of nowhere, I discovered the winner had come online again after almost two weeks of inactivity on SG to give me a "not received" feedback. Great, I canceled the ticket, pressed "send" on the key and left a message on one of their two public GA's and also added the winner on Steam, again (although didn't get my hopes up, as they still hadn't been online for weeks there), only to discover I now seemed to be blocked on Steam. A few more days of waiting and my winner still hadn't come online to check their win (or read my message). So I ended up writing an email asking them to please come log on and claim their win. That finally elicited a response and it got sorted out in the end but it was a hassle and one that arguably shouldn't have been necessary. Yes, it only took a few minutes of my time in total and it was hardly the end of the world, but the point is that it was a chore and sucked the whole fun out of gifting. (I'd also personally prefer not to reveal my personal email [and RL name] to a stranger over the internet if it isn't really necessary. I realise that it is necessary and reasonable for GA creators to already have access to my email address if I win their GA and that I can use alt emails and aliases and whatnot as winner and creator, it's just added time and effort).
With automated email reminders the site now even has an additional system in place to alert absent winners. Contacting the winner via email or on Steam is an added courtesy performed by the GA creator, but the site itself offers means to check the online activity of winners and I have to wonder if that shouldn't be enough. I think the simple solution would be for this site to just grant an automatic reroll if the winner hasn't been active on SG in the immediate seven day period after the GA in question has ended (and only in that period, and not say, at a later time in the future). Sure, there may be legitimate cases where the winner wasn't able to log on for some reason, but I feel seven days is a fair and reasonable grace period and the GA creator shouldn't be expected to wait forever. You've had your fair chance as a winner to claim your prize, maybe after a week, it is time for someone else to receive theirs if you aren't able or willing? Given SG's general policies and unwillingness to automate support tasks like this (which is often understandable), I doubt this would be considered for implementation but it's still worth saying that OP has a point: If a winner hasn't been online for over a week and even blocks their givers from adding them on Steam, the onus shouldn't be on GA creators to chase them down and beg them to please receive the game they entered to win.
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I actually had a bad email address as my contact email and didn't know it. I guess giveaway creator was emailing the keys instead of putting in the sg system, and I had a couple creators message me on steam telling me they'd emailed me a key (took twice) before I figured out why the key wasn't arriving in my email. I thought the emails were getting lost. I wasn't wanting to bother the creators about it so didn't message them after the giveaway, and they probably were waiting because they didn't want to bother me about it.
I'd totally understand if the giveaway was rerolled in those cases because my mistake was making it harder on the giveaway creators to clear their slate of giveaways.
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I don't think the 7-day frame is the main issue here, but the fact that you have to prove you contacted the winner to remind them they won your GA.
And I absolutely agree with you, there are many facts to consider which is why I think the 7 days are a good idea (both for winners and GA creators). Yet, you often see winners complain in the forum if they don't receive a game on the same or next day.
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I try to be nice and give away games I don't need. Sure it's nice if I get levels from it, but not really my purpose.
But if winners haven't logged into SG for 1 week, why do I have to prove trying to contact the winner?
I'm always sending out keys as soon as I can, but of course I also sleep sometimes. But it shouldn't be hard to receive the gift so it takes a week.
I would prefer automatically new winner after 3 days, since it's easier for me to just delete the keys if it gives me extra work when trying to be nice.
I will however use the keys myself or give to a friend if not accepted within a week. I have no interest in extra work hunting down inactive winners just because I try to be nice.
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