Do you use windows or Mac device ?
I don't know much about computers, but personally, as someone who plays most games on PC, I'd recommend against getting a Mac solely because of how many games are on Windows but not Mac (or even Windows exclusive; can you think of any Mac exclusives?).
That said, if all you really want to do is school/work stuff (e.g. Word, PowerPoint, e-mail, etc.), you could probably get away with just buying a super low-end 1Ghz, 1GB RAM netbook and save money. You could still play many pixel-art games on it (those tend to be low-resource programs), just nothing that regularly uses 3D models. Honestly, I can't see photo/video editing software being that demanding, either; I just stuck 25 different 720p videos (totaling almost two hours) into the latest version of VSDC and it stayed under one gigabyte of RAM (689.3 to 692.4 MB to be specific).
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I'm trying to future proof myself a bit, thats why I am looking a bit more to the premium side of laptops
Wont lie and I want it partly as a style statement as well, because that goes well with the image when working in management and pitching yourself to others. Here apple gets a bonus point over windows devices (but HP envy, dell XPS and zenbook come close to mention some)
I mostly live on computer these days (even more with people choosing web conferences and calls over meeting in real life) so a low end device would probably bottleneck fast. These laptops mostly come with 1 Ghz or so CPUs anyway, but having around 50-100 tabs of internet open at any given moment will definitely require 8 GB of ram or more, but I dont worry about that much - thats mostly given with these devices.
Games would be the last thing on my priority list so that doesnt mean much against Mac for me
But thanks for suggestion - I will check out cheaper laptops as well. But I doubt I would want buy a new one for many years, so I'm worried about build quality on those. I do want aluminium body and as rigid as possible (where Mac gets a bonus points as well)
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I would strongly suggest against buying a Macbook Air... However, if you have some work that specifically needs documents to be written, then I would suggest you buy an older model of Macbook Pros. Many of the models also have a GPU which, I hear, are needed for extensive video editing. But, you should also look for more reviews if you DO go towards buying Macs.
Also, if you are wanting to play games, I would suggest an HP Pavillion Gaming instead of ASUS...
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Thanks for your input, appreciated. Why do you suggest against Air ?
Games would be the last priority. As my priority is weight and size (and no bigger then 14 inch screen) I am contented in sacrificing performance for size and pay the same price
Because I already have PC which im slowly upgrading, so theres no need to go for gaming laptop
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Oh, then you can check out Air also, but I have heard that the Airs overheat a lot, that is why I was against the Air, but if you are a hobbyist for Da Vinci then there is nothing wrong with the Air
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Yeah I was watching a review where it was shown that Air has ventilator in it, but its not connected by heatsink to CPU or something. Basically it doesnt really manage heat well.
Over the day Ive been checking some laptops out and run upon sub 1k EUR Zenbook that has Ryzen 7 with radeon RX 10 GPU chip and 16 GB of ram
Seems like powerful components for 900+ EUR device while being 14 inch laptop
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I've bought a MSI Laptop from the Creation series last year and am very satifsfied with it.
- The build quality is very good.
- It got a small dedicated GPU so lught weight gaming is possible.
- It doesn't look like a ZOMG! GAMER! AWESOME! laptop but more like a sleek business ultrabook so you won'T be embrassed to put it on the table when in a meeting.
I've got the last year model of this one: https://de.msi.com/Content-Creation/Modern-14-A10X
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Thanks for the suggestion :) Had missed this one, but looks like a great value
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The prestige series is quite nice too (it is the higher class of that model with higher battery)
I own this one (https://www.msi.com/Laptop/Prestige-15-A10X-r/Specification), bought it on December and until now it's awesome
I can play anything I want (it has a quite good GPU) and the other specs are top notch also. Regarding battery, I can easily squeeze 7-9h with programming and compiling stuff.
They also have a 14 inch version.
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I really really like the Thinkpad series of Lenovo (formerly IBM) laptops.
Unfortunately, they aren't all that great for gaming, and the new ones are quite expensive, but they are rugged (MIL-Spec) and sturdy. (I don't know what the GPU in the new ones is like, but traditionally they have either only integrated graphics only, or they have Quadro chips instead of GTX chips. They are more designed for AUTOcad than games. However, the dGPU that I have works very well in most games, except for poorly optimized or AAA games, and fairly well in many of those.) Even for all of the aforementioned cost, they are worth their cost, I think....
However, there was a generation where if the PC got the slightest bit warm, it would throttle down the processor to unusable levels (the i3/5/7-u series of chips from 2017, iirc) This occurred in part because Lenovo had bowed down to the cult of apple and sacrificed function for aesthetics. In so doing, they lost their way and the subset of their customers who needed a laptop that could perform; to whom appearance was secondary or tertiary to performance and quality.
At the same time, the simple black design looks classy, even if I disagree with the drive for "slim and no weight at all" push in the laptop world.
Oh, and go for a 15+" model, so that you get a numpad. The P-series also has a heatpipe or two and two fans to carry air from one side to the other in case of fan overload or failure.
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My workplace has given several laptops to people that are thinkpad series as well (older ones though). Seems sturdy and nice laptop. But yeah - the new ones are pricey, but at least offer good stats as well. I will check them out more as well. Thanks :)
Wouldnt mind a laptop that would do good with CAD softwares anyway as stuff like that comes up as well.
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I had a t40 and now a P50, and they are both nice beasts. I had to get an external optical drive, as this replaced the optical drive with a extra fan and the heatpipe, so I cannot complain about that.
I do wish, however, that it was a 16:10 screen instead of a 16:9 screen. I also highly recommend the backlit keyboard. For my uses, i don't know that I've ever spent a better $10. I adored the thinklight, and the backlit keyboard is an adequate replacement. (I will say that it isn't as good as the thinklight for seeing a notebook in the dark, lol.)
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Haven't personally used an Apple since the IIe, so, not much of an expert there. The rest that follows is fairly superficial advice.
As for non-Mac options, I'm going to echo some of what RaisinCookiesAreGood said above me.
- Definitely get a model with a full keyboard/numpad! I have 1 personal and 1 business laptop with a 15" screen. I have/had multiple with 17", and I hate having to go back to the 15" after getting used to the bigger size. You say you want smaller, so if you can find a 13" with a full keyboard, go for it, but if not, I'd say the extra bulk is more than worth it.
- Edit to say that MAYBE it'd be worth it for a USB numpad if you insist on the smaller size?
- Thinkpads are pretty good, all purpose devices, which in my experience physically hold up fairly well.
- If you want visual appeal, some HP models have a nice aesthetic to them, but that's more personal preference, and I don't have any personal experience in using them.
- A touchscreen/tablet device may be a way to look snazzy in a presentation, but I have only used ones owned by others, so I don't know what long term usage feels like.
- Obviously stay away from chromebook if you want a premium option.
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I definitely agree about the screen size. I use 21 inch screen at home and I have something similar sized at work and I am wishing for another screen.
But when I need bigger screen I still just plug in another one and work on that one when using laptop, so I'm still set on smaller size.
Suggestion about numpad is great and I will consider that. One cool thing about Zenbook is that is has digital numpad that you can turn on over the touchpad. Though people dont really have much good to say about it, because being touch it does have tendency to not work as fast as you would like. Maybe I'll try to find a store that has it on display to try it out.
I was thinking about tablet, but I would still want it to have Windows and attachable keyboard (which is a must this time). And those cost pretty much anyway.. Maybe I could go the way buying iPad and getting a keyboard for that. A thing to think over
Yeah, Chromebook didnt even come on my radar as most I'm willing to shift away from Windows is towards Mac. Definitely not that thing chromebook has :D
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I plug my work laptop into monitors at the office, but not at home. My desk real-estate is already used up, so ugh. But if you are set up for that, then great, pick up a smaller one!
Haven't used a touch numpad, but using the function-shifted numpad (using [7, 8, 9 / U, I, O / J, K, L]) is far from the optimal experience, so I'd probably hate the touch mode as well! :D
As far as the tablet style goes, my FIL has a Win10 based one, which is pretty good overall, but he rarely uses the touchscreen feature, so... /shrug
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The thing is though, I'm getting back to my Samsung phone when it will be fixed and I wont buy a new phone for some time - which could be an Iphone if I went Macbook way, but thats for the future, so I wouldnt really get the ecosystem benefit.
Thanks for your input on Air :) It does seem to be on the weaker side. I think it would be good for the most tasks I would do, but it still feels a bit of a cheat to pay 1.5k for a laptop that I can only use for the basic stuff that 3 times cheaper laptop could offer.
So you use macbook pro or do you have a stationery Mac ?
Pro does look inviting, but that price is tad out of my price range, so maybe in the future (or some refurbished version)
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Still, 9 years is quit a long time for it to work. that is one of those things that really attract me to Apple. I'm seeing there is the new Huawei Mate 13, which is basically a copy of macbook air, but costs a lot less. Though you can never know if Huawei will work more then its warranty. Apple have been in the game for quit some time to work out the kinks
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Rather than try to list all the things for and against each laptop, I'll just point you to this link that has pretty much everything I want to say (and some extra): https://www.cnet.com/news/best-laptop-for-2020-dell-xps-hp-spectre-macbook-pro-more/
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Thanks for the great article
Dell XPS does seem like a great laptop, but my local vendors only offer some crazy deals with 2.5k for it. Cant seem to find anything close to 1k sadly. Otherwhise I could jump in that direction
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Yeah, I'm watching some videos on this ..
Have they actually explained what is the purpose of this ? Seems like complete bullshit
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Adding heat pipe would make laptop 1mm thicker? Dunno.
They removed 3,5mm jack as it's "redundant" and don't fit into their design, and at the same time sell special official adapter that allows you to charge your phone and listen to music on the cable. Bc you know, user experience is important.
They also sell 4 wheels for their PC for 700 burger dollars. For a PC that starting cost is 6k burger dollars those wheels should be considered an accessory, added to the PC by default. Just like you expect to have headphones when you pay 1k for your phone.
But all in all - this cooling system is expected to work like that - fan is sucking in air from the opposite part of the case, and move it above CPU heatsink to cool it down. But as heatsink is pitiful - it leads to bad overheating problems.
https://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/2020-macbook-air-problems-3788127/
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Yup. Have a MBP for work with an i9 and it can get to 200F like it's nobody's business, all right at the CPU. The fans can help in such a situation if you crank 'em up (despite the bad design) but before downloading Macs Fan Control it would constantly get stupid hot and reboot, often refusing to come back up until it cooled off.
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I recommend the Mac laptops, even if you're not in the Apple ecosystem. The build quality alone has been worth picking up Mac laptop and installing Windows, but I'd recommend just trying out Mac OS for a year or so. Right now is a rough time to buy new though. The latest Intel CPU's are lacking and Apple's announced they're coming out with a new ARM laptop soon (rumored by xmas). If you're vaguely interested and you're able to hold out a couple of months, it might be worth a look. If you're interested in what kind of performance to expect, check out what the iPad Pro can do. The ARM chip they put into the new laptop should have similar or better performance.
If you go with a Windows laptop, I'd make an effort to stick to the AMD 4000 series. They're powerful both on the CPU and GPU for the price & power budget. Intel doesn't really have a match. Unfortunately, the Dell XPS doesn't come with an AMD option. -_- Really there's not a good halo ultraportable AMD laptop, which is a shame.
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If you do go down the mac route, don't buy a macbook air, go for a macbook pro. Macbook air is a ridiculous machine imo and not worth the money. It is far too thin and because of that, more easily damaged. It overheats like a mofo and so on.
As for syncing other devices, I have never owned another apple device personally. Only my computers have been macs. All of my other stuff is android and that will never change. ;) I don't buy into all that consumerism of things being easier to synch and bla bla bla. That's how they make their sales. There are workarounds for everything. People saying you need iPhone/iPad if you own a mac, no you don't. I code Android apps on my mac for heaven's sake. Don't buy into it. =)
Having said all this, I bought my current machine in late 2014 and deliberately bought the mid-2012 model brand new, just before they were discontinued. This is the last model that can be taken apart etc. Nothing is glued to the motherboard.
After this, they started gluing everything together in order to make the laptops thinner and thinner. You should make sure to get extended warranty, just in case something goes wrong. Repairs can get expensive.
I am thinking that my next mac will be a desktop mac pro. I really don't like the idea of components being more difficult to replace. I like to save money in that regard and replace shit myself where possible after the thing goes out of warranty.
The heating issues mentioned above about newer macbooks does concern me.
Oh and if I were you, I would stay away from ARM laptops until they have been around a while and we know they perform well. I would be in no rush to be the first to run out and buy one.
Apple make good machines though, I will say that. I have a 2006 macbook in the house that I never got rid of. It still works and I used it until I bought my current one in 2014 (8 years). =)
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If you want to do *any gaming* on it at all, then avoid Macs.
Macs look nice but you pay way more for the brand than what the actual hardware is worth.
AMD has caught up and offers very good CPUs, plus are much better than intel in the graphics department. I'd recommend a model with these but don't expect high-end performance at the 13-14 size.
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Why do people say things like "you can't do ANY gaming on a mac"? I've been using a mac all the time. I have never used my Steam account on a Windows PC.
Yes, there are certain CPU intensive games that will not run on my machine since it is 6 years old. Like... Cities: Skylines. I've tried. (When I am fully better and working again, I will prob buy a gaming machine, but not right now) But, I play games like Slay the Spire and Minion Masters etc on the macbook, without issue. So, there are lots of games you can play if you're not buying it primarily as a gaming machine.
People argue against this all the time because they don't get it... but for the people in the creative industries like me, macs are the better machine. They are optimised extrremely well (compared to a windows machine with the exact same specs), and you never have to run maintenance cycles to keep the thing running in top shape. So it's certainly not about the look of the machine.
I used a Windows PC prior to switching to Mac and the difference was huge for me ... OMG, I'd never go back.
And don't even get me started on compiling code. Mac or Linux are going to win over Windows there.
I think it all depends on what you want from your machine. What do you prioritize. Windows, Mac or Linux, none of them are a bad choice, it all comes down to what you will do on that machine the most. If it's gaming... it'll be Windows all the way... but there are other reasons for wanting one of the other two. ;)
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You are making more out of my comment then there is.
Why do people say things like "you can't do ANY gaming on a mac"?
Not at all what I said.
When the focus or some priority is on gaming then Macs are at a disadvantage.
At one point or another you will end up hitting a blockade with games not working.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/881100/Noita/
Noita for example, a superb but low demand game, perfect for laptops: Win only.
Some games sure work, that's not the point. There are plenty that do not and then you are simply limited with that. And if your favorite new game doesn't, then you're kicking yourself for betting on the wrong horse, though then it's too late.
(and some data: Steam has 45k games, mac compatible are 11,5k, so about a quarter. 75% don't work.)
in the creative industries like me, macs are the better machine
Have I made any statement about that?
optimised extrremely well, and you never have to run maintenance cycles to keep the thing running in top shape.
I can just say that my windows machine is extremely well optimized too, and not sure what maintenance cycles are referring to, but I don't want to argue this point.
The creative field using Macs often, subsequently there's lots of software made for that. I don't really know why, then again maybe people there like nice design and that's how those initially spread fast and are now established, not sure.
And don't even get me started on compiling code. Mac or Linux are going to win there.
Except nothing beats Visual Studio, even Linux people admit that.
Windows, Mac or Linux, none of them are a bad choice
And that's the thing, I never made such a blanket statement, without a use case quantifier.
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I've clarified how I meant it (If gaming is of any focus/priority)
When it's fine for you, great.
In general the data looks otherwise (Steam having 45k games, mac compatible are 11,5k, so about a quarter. 75% don't work.)
Installing Windows on a Mac entirely defeats the purpose of buying a Mac. Makes more sense to just go for a win machine then.
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In general the data looks otherwise (Steam having 45k games, mac compatible are 11,5k, so about a quarter. 75% don't work.)
Yeah, pretty rough only being able to play 11,000 games on Mac, what will we do??? XD
fyi, I have about 3800 games, 1700 of which are Mac compatible, so it's not quite as extreme as 75% in practicality (knowing how much crap is on Steam and all that).
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Point was not about nothing working but:
if your favorite new game doesn't
and a 50-75% chance for that is quite risky
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And my point wasn't about buying a game only to find it doesn't work :P
Your favourite new game indicates that you've been able to play it on something prior to it becoming your favourite. The OP's Post:
(I still have my PC, which I will use for gaming and heavier graphic related tasks). So laptop needs to be portable and light mainly for work use - documents, internet etc, but I would really appreciate some light photo and video editing and maybe low tier gaming when away from home.
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I brought up an example: Noita
https://store.steampowered.com/app/881100/Noita/
Scenario going like this: buy and play on pc, liking it strongly, want to keep going, then travel but being blocked from playing it despite being within laptop capabilities due to incompatibility.
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I'm a life-long Windows user who has used Macs for school and work, and I didn't like it. I worked for a year in a Mac school - working with Mac PCs, Mac Servers, and I had a personal Mac laptop - and it was frequently a frustrating experience. Even basic stuff like changing a setting - it's never where you think it will be coming from a Windows background. OS X has come a long way since then, but my Mac laptop kind of felt like a piece of crap - apps would crash almost every day, and I'd have to restart it daily, and I was just using it for work and running really standard software.
If you decide to go Apple, be prepared to be frustrated and have to re-learn how to do many basic things.
As far as Apple lasting considerably longer, that's largely marketing BS. I have seen and encountered just as many issues with Apple computers as with PCs. If you buy quality, it'll last, regardless of brand. I built a PC using quality parts 8 years ago, and it's been running without any issues all this time. I have an 8 year old Toshiba laptop that still works great, and I'm using it now as a Digital Audio Workstation to record music. I also have an 8 year old iPad that is slow as molasses, frequently freezes, struggles to run basic apps, doesn't support Zoom or Google Meet, can't run any new apps due to them requiring a newer OS version, and doesn't even support basic things like displaying a Youtube video full screen.
If anything, I'd say Apple's software support is worse - Apple seems to love to drop software support for older devices. This is admittedly more of an issue on iOS, but I can't tell you how frustrating it is to have an app that used to work fine for years suddenly stop working because Apple came out with a new OS, the app was updated to be compatible with the latest OS, and now it requires that new OS and will no longer work on your device. Or how some web apps or basic web features won't work because Apple dropped support for your Mac and thus you can't get Safari updates.
I'm not trying to talk you out of Apple, if that's what you really want. I just want you to know that everything isn't sunshine and roses on the Apple side. They do some things well - OS X Server, in particular, is really slick and very easy to set up and use - but they also have their fair share of issues and problems. Spending a year working with Macs every day made me happy to go home to my Windows PC.
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A Lenovo Yoga with a 4700U and 16GB RAM should make you set for a while. Awesome battery life and performance for a cheap price. If you're a student, check out their own shop as it's cheaper
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i am 100% Linux user and all i can do is to recommend Linux :)
i have this laptop and it runs great. i only upgraded from 8gb ram to 32gb
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/GB/content/predator-model/NH.Q5PEK.001
since i still have some memory of laptop search, i can suggest to buy a laptop with 4 or 8 gb of ram and than upgrade to more cause it is way cheaper and have more choices than to search laptop with 16gb or more ram
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You're going to get a very biased response on this website. The vast majority of computer gamers use Windows, swear by it, and denounce anything else.
As an alternative datapoint for your consideration:
My first MacBook Pro lasted me 9 years. It didn't slow down on my until year 7. In that same time, I went through 4 windows laptops from various manufacturers (Sony, Alienware, Alienware, Dell). I now own an iMac and a windows computer I assembled myself, both purchased in 2015. I have had to wipe and re-image my windows computer 6 times in 5 years due to various software and firmware glitches affecting my peripherals and hardware. Meanwhile, my iMac has not given me any issues at all. That being said, my iMac fans sound like a jet engine when it runs games. I personally appreciate how easy and seamless it is for all my apple devices to integrate together, which is the primary reason I continue to use Mac for everything other than gaming.
I also have an $800 Asus TUF gaming laptop that works decently well. They're often on sale in Nov/Dec months for $200-$300 off retail.
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I have had to wipe and re-image my windows computer 6 times in 5 years due to various software and firmware glitches affecting my peripherals and hardware.
I'm running the same first Win7 install for 10 years since I build the PC. It's possible without there too.
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Honestly, I suggest avoiding Apple products due to the cost and exclusivity.
There are several programs that just don't work for Mac (yes, you can hack them into working but it isn't really worth it). Apple products also tend to be more expensive while I haven't noticed a significant quality upgraded to justify the higher price. On top of that the software, cords, replacement parts tend to be more expensive as well.
While they may be good for productivity, Windows tends to be more versatile in my experience and it has also saved me some money in the long run.
In summary, not to hate on Macs, but in my experience, Windows tends to be more price-friendly, versatile, and just as effective, if not more, at handling any job I throw at it.
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I bought an HP Pavillion 15 - but there are 14 inch ones available too I think.
My reasoning was backlit keyboard, keypad on keyboard, SSD/HHD combo, and not Lenovo (had a bad mid-range laptop from them with Win 8, still haven't forgiven them for it). It was also a bit cheaper because it had 8GB RAM - I figured the higher RAM model cost more than the RAM it included, so I'd wait a bit for prices to dive and then upgrade it.
Sadly my upgrade was rushed when the Seagate HDD failed in the middle of lockdown earlier this year. However I managed to replace it, add that RAM and it still runs well. Not the first time Seagate has been the cause of HD woes for me.
The rest of it is still humming along well 2 years later. I've squished the included Win10 into the naughty corner and filled the rest with Linux - my only regret is going for 128GB SSD - might upgrade that in time as although 25-30 GB is enough, I wanted to fiddle with a few different distros and space is quite tight. It works well with the integrated graphics card and I don't really use it for any complicated gaming (although it has a card setting for performance/power saving).
Anyway, my point is that I could do all of that - shop around, wait for sales, upgrade a part - much more easily than if I'd been on Mac.
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i use both and occasionally linux. mac is good if you need Final Cut, Logic. If you need mac for certain mac only apps, then wait until Apple releases apple silicon. otherwise windows or linux. you really need to look at what apps you need/want to run, that determines what CPU and GPU you need. Apple Final Cut Pro does not have a subscription fee, it's a one time purchase. Adobe is the company that charges subscription fees, Adobe is on Mac and Win.
Mac is also good if you have an iPhone and /or iPad for very tight integration and sharing. There are things like shared clipboard, notes and homekit you will not get on other OS's.
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Hey guys,
So my almost 10 year old Samsung laptop is literally breaking apart and I was wondering about getting a new one. Kind of was put off by the price, but events have been piling up on me lately (got to write my masters thesis along lectures, started work as project coordinator, got myself a grant for business idea and got in business incubator to build business plan, which offers classes and consultations) so I'm starting to feel a bit overwhelmed and really feeling the need for laptop.
As for the budget - the sweet spot would be around 1k EUR but I may go higher. I mostly want 13-14 inch laptop, as light as possible and preferably powerful enough for it (I still have my PC, which I will use for gaming and heavier graphic related tasks). So laptop needs to be portable and light mainly for work use - documents, internet etc, but I would really appreciate some light photo and video editing and maybe low tier gaming when away from home.
So after looking at bunch of videos and reviews I kind of settled on Asus Zenbook because it looks like to offer quit a package at offered price. But I'm still a bit undecided because I cant seem to find one with desired specs. Which I have questions about :
Does anyone have Zenbook and can share their experience ? OR suggest alternatives ?
And here comes the second part of the question - I've been eyeing macbook air 2020 as well, but never having owned anything from apple I am really unsure of it (I do have the old SE now while my regular phone is in service, and I like it good enough). Anyone here use macbooks and can share experiences ?
For Mac Im seeing i5 processor which ends with G7 I think, has Iris graphics chip, 8 GB of ram and 512 GB of SSD at 1.5k EUR price point. I understand that as far as power goes this barely touches windows alternatives for less then 1k
BUT I am really impressed by the build quality and touchpad/keyboard and screen quality. I really dont care for that apple logo and if anything the logo and popularity of it is a bit of a put off for me. But I'm a bit skeptic about windows machine quality - at least I see apple devices holding up for 10 years quit well (which I would prefer). But asus does seeem a bit squashy.
Is apples quality worth the price difference ? Would such specs hold up well for years ? Also - how is mac OS as far as usability goes ? I am really not planning on coughing up 5 eur every time I need an app or paying ridiculous subscription fees for Final Cut Pro. Does Davinci resolve work fine on it ?
How is MS office on it ? How is listening to music and watching movies on it ? Would I be able to work decently between Mac and Windows machine - as in would I have compability issues with documents and such? How crazy is the "dongle life" with it ?
In other words - how would it fare as daily machine for work?
What are your thoughts and/or suggestions on choosing business class laptop ? Should I even consider Mac or could I get similar quality from alternatives ?
Huge thanks in advance, I hope you guys can make this stuff a bit clearer for me
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