Do you know how ignorant some people can be?
Joking aside, it could be a language issue, or a 'referral' by someone who didn't fully explain:
Friend A: I just got a free game from SteamGifts!
Friend B: Oh cool! signs up, creates a giveaway thinking he's getting the game
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Others have said you often request proof, and report fakes. I'm not trying to flip this on you, it's just that the reason I made this thread was because I had an idea for a copypasta to defend posters like yourself that help the mods and admins.
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I don't know that I've ever requested proof, I just report gifts that are clearly disallowed (i.e.: gifter has posted 3/5ths of an indie bundle, or has stated "it's a key" and it's a game known to be in a current/recent bundle) and copy paste from the FAQ regarding bundles. That's what I mean by ignorance: either they're giving away a bundle key and are ignorant of the rules against it, or they are just ignorant in general and are disregarding the rules against it. (i.e.: members who post keys and then mock the rules in the description).
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Well, then you're going to need a copypasta too!
I don't disagree with you, yours is a valid reason to want proof too.
If you write something that you think will get your point across perfectly and could be a "universal response" for your opinion, I will add it to the main post with credit to you.
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I'm not talking about badgering, I'm talking about when someone says, "Proof?" and gets a shitload of comments talking about how ungrateful he is for questioning the authenticity of this giveaway for Call of Jaurez, by an account giving away CoJ, and eight other games, all short time spans.
Both sides need to chill the fuck out, I guess. And here I am, making everything worse too.
In a previous thread I made I "came out" as bi polar. This would probably be considered a small episode, I guess.
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And I agree that that is a valid reason to want proof on a giveaway that shows signs of being a possible fake.
Now you write a concise little "note" that can be used as copypasta and I will add that to the main post with credit to you.
I'm not saying my way is the only way, but it is a numerical reason to want fakes weeded out.
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What do you mean by "note"?
yes, I agree. But if you're entering a giveaway it's assumed that it is a legit giveaway, yes? Otherwise, why would you enter in the first place. I've seen giveaways with people posting their inventory and setting it on public as proof, if it's a giftable copy. If it's a key, well... you can't really post proof can you? It all falls under blind faith.
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Lets do some math! At a rate of 5% cost : points, you'd need a $20 game to get 1 point. So in order to get a free 'entry' into a $10 game, you'd need to create $200 worth of fake giveaways.
If fake giveaways were being used to game the system, you'd see FAR more fake entries being created than the few that pop up from new users thinking they GET the game. Even if it was being used to 'top up' so the main account could get enough points to enter one more giveaway (lets say, 35pts) you'd need about $60100 in giveaways, which again is more than most people make from what I've seen -- and what I've seen is typically 12 games totaling $2040 as an average netting a whopping 2 points.
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I know at least 8 people with steam accounts that have no interest in this site at all. It would take nothing for me to call them up, and guide them through logging in and creating a few fake giveaways. They don't care to get banned, they don't want to use this site anyway.
They could even pull the old, "How does giveaway born?" or "My brother has my login".
It's really not hard.
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If you believe it's fake, MAKE A SUPPORT TICKET. If it is it will GET DELETED and the points will be REMOVED from everyone's account.
It's not that much of an insult to the gifter, but it can be disheartening when the first 20 comments you see in your very first giveaway is "FAKE" "omgz faek!" "thanks for skyrim, haha not it fake lololol" (yes this was an exaggeration, but the point is still the same).
The feeling you get when you are trying to do something nice but instead get accused of just trying to abuse the system / being stupid / being fake, yeah, exactly what I want new gifters to feel
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Don't be a pussy, offer up a little proof. Just comment, "It's cool, I have it. Checked the rules, it will all be legit."
And I agree with you that, "FAKE!" and shit like that is rude, some people are dicks. To those I would reply, "Dude, ask nicely, don't be a dick."
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Because new gifters understand the metagifting process (that was sarcasm) (also I totally made that word up, what I mean is new gifters don't understand the nuances of the site, they don't know it's a big deal to show proof, they're probably just excited to give something away. That being said, sure they'll be willing to show proof if it's real when asked, but let loko ask them. ALSO, I believe by default your gifting inventory is hidden to other users, most people probably don't realize this if they aren't traders.)
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This site is fairly reputable by now, I have seen people who made giveaways when they join (promoting sites often times, or people who had something left over from the holiday sale). I'm not saying it's commonplace, but it does happen, and there is no reason to be rude to those people on just the possibility they aren't legit. Let mods take care of it.
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Ok, so instead of the users trying to maintain a friendly and self regulating community, just let the handful of mods take care of everything? Because someones feelings might get a little hurt?
Ok, seriously, wtf? I just can't understand how that would hurt someones feelings that damn much.
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It probably won't hurt their feelings a whole lot, although I'm not going to be that presumptuous. What I do think it will do is make dishearten them from using this site, they probably will gift again, but there are plenty of other sites / things they can do with their gift(s).
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I don't think anyone cried fake; my account is public and it was in inventory. My comment was more to illustrate that there are in fact people that do giveaways their first day (a popular source of fake-crying). Despite the fact that I probably won't win anything else unless there are 25k copies, I'm enjoying the site so far :D
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Do you think it would have hurt your feelings if your inventory had been private, or you had a key? In most cases, all the gifter has to do is say, "I got a key." and everyone(now that we can check out replies) will usually say thanks for proof, sorry for doubting you." and shit like that.
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Well the least they can do is make their inventory open for everyone to see or explain on the giveaway page how they acquired the key. It's pretty suspicious when someone who joined a day ago, has all Steam activity closed off, hasn't entered any giveaways and is giving away 3 games at the same time.
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Is it really that hard to make your inventory public or put a little description on the giveaway? It seems you're ok with this laziness. Hell, I'd say you're encouraging it.
And like TheEgo replied, the site team has so much shit on their hands to deal with us users, and the mods shouldn't be bothered with giveaways that seem suspicious because certain people are lazy, fucking idiots. I do my duty of reporting something that is legitimately false. And it's mine, and everyone else's right to claim falsehood to a giveaway.
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Lol. You guys do realize if it is fake the mods are going to have to deal with it anyways. I stated above that in most cases they are probably fake (but not always), so that basically equates to a few more support tickets per thread (and for that matter I think quite a few people already make support tickets when they see giveaways that look fake.)
Also, I've already stated that new people aren't going to understand how big a deal it is to show proof. They haven't been here for months, they haven't seen fake giveaways come and go. And considering that the inventory (the gift section) is hidden by default they probably don't even realize that.
I'm willing to compromise though, if ONE person were to ask very politely with smiley faces and flattery asking for proof I wouldn't be besides myself with that. As for how it happens in actuality, it can sometimes get pretty ugly with quite the discussion/debate about whether it's fake or not in reply to the top comment.
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For the most part, all of my post are alluding to people who are being rude or are rude about it when they comment about it being fake. I rather encourage people in general to make support tickets or don't do anything at all other than say thanks, and let the few people who are courteous and adamant about these things take care of it (like cfriend, very polite and professional, but is good at spotting fake / invalid giveaways and dealing with them)
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The thing about trying to create fake giveaways for points is that:
A: The person creating them doesn't get any,
B: Making an alt account requires you to have at least $50 of games on the Steam account it's made with, and
C: The account spamming fake giveaways will almost certainly be banned.
Consequently, it will basically cost about $50 a pop for every one-time point boost, and every single time makes it that much more likely your main account is found and banned as well, so the system isn't very abusable in that regard.
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Many points have been adressed already, but I can share my experiences here. When I joined on this site I think it was that day I made my first giveaway. Well I'm glad everything turned alright and quite surprisingly no one asked anything, with hidden inventory and not one comment/description on the giveaway. I can't say how it could have turned, but after I felt like giving more. In my case I guess it'd have been fair if someone had asked politely wether I do or not know the giveaway rules of the site. Although I must say I can easily imagine a person who that could be insulting and just thinking of some cultures I wouldn't be surprised at all. Feedback often defines if it was a good experience, giving away stuff to strangers, which then might lead to new giveaways.
In case you don't know this I must point out, concerning how fast will false giveaway makers be removed from the site, that the giveaway feedback counter works so that it counts 3 "received" giveaways for the user, wether she/he is a new or old user. If you make a giveaway which leaves you a marking "not received", you will have 75% of your giveaways as "received", except it doesn't show like that in your profile. You will get yourself banned or suspended (don't know exactly) if you have under 75% as "received".
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But if they aren't aware enough to know they should offer proof they could end up trying the same thing real fast on another site and end up getting scammed. At least here they can learn that it's necessary to provide proof and request proof when doing anything involving "items" of value without getting fucked over.
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I'm not sure what you are getting at with "them getting fucked over", "on another site". This is a giveaway site where people do good to others. One has to understand something to end up here. I get the impression you are saying people wander from site to site giving away stuff to strangers and then end up getting scammed because they are not asked proof.
Anyhow, on this site it is not a requirement to show proof in order to make a succesful giveaway and I think that's a good thing.
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Point abuse by alt account creation doesn't happen. Also, we've been thinking for several weeks about a sort of policy on restricting users publicly calling out submitters if they believe the giveaway is fake, similar to our forum policy. In the past, we've told the community time and time again to click Report and move on or submit a support ticket.
With less people reporting and more people commenting, we have been giving this more thought. I've made announcements in the past to encourage members to use the Report button instead of demanding proof, but it hasn't been working out. We're usually hesitant on creating these sort of policies, and I hope the community can appreciate the reasons why.
I appreciate the discussion. Please do not let this thread get out of hand.
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Here's some copypasta I just came up with that, I think, quickly explains why fake giveaways are a problem.
Feel free to change it if you want, I'm just sick of morons acting like asking for proof is some kind of insult to the gifter.
This is what I plan on posting in response to comments asking why it matters if it's fake.
When a giveaway is created, a percent of its value is added to everyone else's points. The points we spend are created when a giveaway is created. Using an alternate account to make giveaways in order to add points to a main account is a method of "gaming the system" on steamgifts. Please explain this any time you see someone asking the same question you just asked.
[EDIT: Apparently I need to add in that I don't think it's fair to the mods and admins to instantly report fake giveaways, and that as a community we should be able to develop an etiquette for asking the gifter for proof before reporting. Unless it's ending really fast, then I go straight to the report button]
How creating this thread has gone for me.
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