Is there a degree of antagonism between high and low level people?
Well personally, the only thing that I require from peeps who enter my giveaways is to have a balance ratio (exceptions are made for groups & whitelist). By balance, I mean # of wins ~= # of giveaways. I do not care if you won nothing but AAAs and only give away Bad Rats. So long as you are an active contributor to the site, I am happy.
Good comes to those who do good imo. So as you can tell, I am actively trying to buy karma from the universe XD.
Edit: When it comes to making public giveaways, I only do forums since I don't have to worry so much about bots there (and the mindless 'thx' spam -.-). I mostly try to find some arbitrary reason/theme and stick with bundle fodder while keeping the non-bundle game behind a totes hard puzzle. If you want the good stuff, at least put a lil effort into it.
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i'm starting to think there are also bots in the forums grabbing GA links...
the last (still running) Besiege GA i made has less than 25 entries in 1 day+. i know the link is a bit hidden and split in 3 parts inside a huge thread xD , but it's still suspicious.
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My first giveaways were public and several were clearly won by bots or scripts (for instance I had to chase up users who didn't activate/receive games who said they didn't even want the games because they were 'shit'). Since then I have done a lot of experimenting. Links posted directly in discussions get exponentially more 'hits' than (for instance) a link scribbled across an image that effectively works as a 'captcha'. Regardless of hints or tempting non-bundle heavily wishlisted games the vast majority of 'users' are unable to make the leap from clicking on every presented available link to the most basic of human interaction.
Just saying...
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yeah, i was comparing three besiege invite-only GAs: student's (431 entries), aboveaveragejoe (360) and mine (22 xD ).
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Well, here is another Besiege giveaway to consider. I made this thread which led to a train. As an experiment there was a simple link to the first giveaway which despite being an unpopular bundle game got 151 entries. The next giveaway got 47 entries despite somebody only needing to pay the vaguest attention to the picture that was posted after heavy hints, and neither did any other giveaway in the train get anything close to as many entries as the first link.
The Besiege giveaway towards the end of the train got 70 entries, and although it was higher level that was only after dropping links for people on my whitelist and in my groups many of whom joined just for Besiege and the other big prizes. Other experiments have followed a similar pattern - many more users crawl through every URL than can engage in basic human interaction. I'm not drawing conclusions or judging anyone, just offering up curious data. And I don't feel guilty about my experiments as many people of all levels have gotten nice games from them just for paying attention!
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oh that train, i spent a big chunk of my life in there xD
we need more experiments!
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In the couple of months I've been here I haven't really noticed anything towards lower levels. Only towards people with really shitty ratios.
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After reading this thread, i feel like there are users who think that high level users got there without doing anythng. and after that thinks why there's hostility. i read over all pages in this thread and all of the hostile comments are coming from low level users or users who think they're entitled to enter everything. that's sad
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Well I thought I had gotten to high level by giving away a big bunch of games to people who were overall quite happy about it.
After reading this topic it turns out I may simply have joined some shadowy cabal that passes copies of GTA V back and forth between cigars and brandy while oppressing people through random blacklisting and occasionally making trains of 'shitty bundle games' to keep the peasantry sufficiently amused not to stage an armed revolt.
The things you can learn...
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Ehm a friendly reminder that disclosing the tactics of the Oppressors' Club is against the rules of the Oppressors' Club.
It's not up to me to decide the punishment, I leave that to the Learned Elders, but I wouldn't expect fewer than four GTA 5s.
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remember to not enter any giveaways. since you are lv9, you have enough money to buy your own stuff. let the leeches poor users get those games.
serious face :3
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If there is such antagonism, I'd say, let's totally ignore it? It probably relates to how greedy someone is.
Maybe people would complain less if these settings were easier to find... I'd also add the "Hide all giveaways for this game" (written) link to each giveaway page.
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A blacklist for gifts.
Yeah i've been missing that option too.
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It's not so much a user antagonism, but a class antagonism. A lot of the high-levelers expect everybody to give and receive equally quality games (so no bundles), and so there's this breach with "leechers", who are as far as I know also legitimate users of the site but don't get the good favors.
This debate was held when Steamgifts 2 came up, as to decide if contributor value should be kept or not. I can see the pros, but there are cons too, and I believe the main one is that it's pushing away from the original spirit of the site.
Especially with how there's a lot of tracking of what's been bundled or not. The games I've given were all bought full price (or during normal sales) because I love them and wanted to share them, and yet the site judges that they were lesser contributions because they were bundled once. This kind of rule really divides people here I believe.
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I think there needs to be a distinction made between “low level” users and leechers, and even beyond that (‘cause clearly not all “leeching” is born out of selfishness) in separating those who simply haven’t given away many (or any) games with those who are just plain assholes. I haven’t seen any animosity at all towards those of a low level just because they are a low level, but you just don’t see many high level people going around whining and regifting and generally acting in a pretty feckin’ rude way. Lower levelled people are just more likely to act like that – ‘cause assholes aren’t likely to stick around and give complete strangers thousands of pounds worth of games, let’s be honest – so I suppose it’s going to seem like there’s a lot of low levelled people that get ragged upon by high levelled people when really it’s just those who’ve contributed to and supported this community getting annoyed at those who don’t even bother to read the rules. Correlation doesn’t imply causation and all that.
I guess I can see why people can be uneasy about the seemingly elitist tiny AAA-giving groups full of level 10s, but it’s not like they magically ascended to that level. They gave away a lot of stuff to reach that point, they didn’t start off making 10+ whitelist / group-only giveaways. And I’m slightly put off making level 0 giveaways myself because of bad experiences. But I don’t at all mind someone who hasn’t given away much at all winning one of my giveaways as long as they’re interested in and intend to play the game. I’m giving away games because I want to make people happy, y’know? My level going up is just a bonus. :D
(…not that all “high level” users are paragons of virtue. Assholes will be assholes.)
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guess I can see why people can be uneasy about the seemingly elitist tiny AAA-giving groups full of level 10s, but it’s not like they magically ascended to that level.
I'm in one of those "high level groups" (charitable losers). On my first page of GAs there is a single GA for that group (and my WL). So just for the sake of "science" I decided to take a look at the first page of entries, and check their first page of giveaways. There is a grand total of 1 person out of those that did exclusively whitelist & small group GAs. When this debate came up in a previous thread, I got the exact same results. So I honestly suspect that these tiny elite AAA-groups are more of a myth than anything else (note that none of the ones coming up were actually purely giving away AAA games, and most of those that did give away AAA games were not only giving AAA games to small groups, most games given away were unsurprisingly bundle games). I'm not saying that it's impossible that they exist, but I've not seen any actual evidence of them.
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Heh. For a brief moment I thought you were talking about me, since I'm also in that group and the first page of my GAs only has group and invite-only GAs (not whitelist though, I don't have one).
Then I realized you couldn't be talking about me because I haven't entered any GAs in months. Whew. :-) But now I feel guilty for not having done a public GA for so long, so I'll have to remedy that soon.
Edit: remedied.
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Not really any hostility, but I voted for 'minor'. Mostly because of the suspicions that surround new users.
Most people don't have a problem with low-level users, it's more the fresh accounts that people are more defensive towards, assuming faked giveaways and worrying about alts used to leech with. Though really the level system is in place to let us filter who can enter our giveaways, so it's not a big issue, and the moderators do a good job of spanking the people who do the usual range of call-outs and "fake!" shouts.
It's not a real issue, and any hostility is minor and often with some form of reasoning behind it.
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What I find ambiguous is that some high level SG users do most of their giveaways in small (private) groups/invites only while they are entering and winning fully open level 0 and 1 giveaways...
The ambiguosity lays in the fact that some of these high level users don't want ' a certain kinds of SG users ' to enter or win their giveaways whilst at the same time some of these same high level users enter (and win) giveaways made by the same kind of users that they don't like for their own giveaways.
Knowing the SG no call out rule I only suggest to SG users to check the giveaways/wins of some high level SG users that have made loads of private groups/small groups/invite only giveaways and see for themselves that some of these very same high level SG users are winning fully open level 0 or 1 giveaways....
How more can one be ambiguous than that???
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There isn't anything ambiguous about it. It is crap. I have fallen out with high level level users who only make private group giveaways and win lots of games from private group giveaways and also use their CV to rake it in from public giveaways. I'm even blacklisted by such users.
But apparently I'm also attacked by certain users and accused of always sticking together with my high level friends in some sort of 'apartheid' by certain users who can't see beyond their own prejudices and lump us all together as one homogeneous unit.
The truth is every level here is full of people both good and bad and you need to judge people by their actions rather than their level.
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You really have a high level of tolerance and patience, despite what you yourself sometimes say. :)
I truly admire your perseverance in still trying to be completely rational with those who completely refuse to even slightly attempt to sound remotely reasonable.
And, with that said...
The truth is every level here is full of people both good and bad and you need to judge people by their actions rather than their level.
^This, so much this.
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I don't believe that I have previously mentioned that for several years I worked all day every day with severely disabled children. I haven't mentioned it in case somebody thinks that I am comparing them to a severely disabled child and takes offence, but it is entirely true. And also because it is always possible that the next day I will drink a bottle of whisky and act like a dick and spoil whatever reputation I had.
But I'll say right now I'm well into the mode of thought I developed when dealing with the most difficult of those children without throwing them out of a window...
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For the most part i get what you're saying and i don't think anyone (in their right mind) would take offence.
I believe that doctors upon assisting a woman giving birth, after the severing of the umbilical chord and such and such... sometimes hang the baby upside down with one hand holding one of his ankles and give him a slight pat on the butt cheek with the other one. I believe this is done to drain any fluid from the airway to make the baby cry and take in it's first air.
Dunno about you, but when i come across certain individuals, i'm often left wondering "this one probably fell"... and whenever i'm feeling more impatient, i try (don't always succeed) to think to myself... not his fault, heck... could've been me.
So, i believe i understand your tolerance.
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We are all just products of genetics and other random things beyond our control! I've been through troubled times before now and some of the biggest assholes I have encountered on the internet I have actually decided were a lot like me when I was a teenager, or someone I would have been if my life had taken a different path.
I think because of that even though I can be quite cynical I always try and see things from the point of view of other people, but probably the one thing that does really vex me is when other people can't do that at all. If somebody is just going around stereotyping folks and making assumptions and sticking to their own prejudices without any debate then I lose patience.
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Pretty much sums my thoughts.
But truth be told, i actually believe that thankfully, you don't find that many of those around here, considering the norm on the internet (however subjective that notion is, granted).
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Broadly speaking people are comparatively nice here otherwise I wouldn't spend time here and I do try and remind myself of that when somebody is being a dick!
On the other hand I do sometimes wonder if it is just because people are worried about missing out on giveaways if they tell someone to kill themselves...
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Broadly speaking people are comparatively nice here otherwise I wouldn't spend time here and I do try and remind myself of that when somebody is being a dick!
Careful though, if they're the explosive type.
I know that show is not for everyone, i only still watch it for some comic relief as it doesn't even take it self seriously, but that comment just instantly reminded of that and i just had to post the pic. :)
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I have fallen out with high level level users who only make private group giveaways and win lots of games from private group giveaways and also use their CV to rake it in from public giveaways.
I really try to avoid doing that. Not because ass-kissing but because I fear I may be permabanned for it since the nicest terms I can think about these users involve such words as "circle-jerk" and "sanctimonious <censored>"…
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No, it's more like this:
I reserve the right to judge your profile also according to other criteria
But of course you removed/edited that line in your giveaway thread not long after the start of this thread/survey ; I can't but wonder why...
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Yeah what ever but your clock is off and your honesty shocks me, remind me to never trade with you ever and please blacklist me asap as I woudn't even wan't to win a AAAAAAA game from you.
The only thing " rotten " are the presumptuous and twisted "criteria " you use and then you openly say that after all those stupid rules you will " judge " them further... Talk about self-entitlement! ... Talk about antagonising SG users...
No, I'm off and let you carry on " Judging ".
I reserve the right to judge your profile also according to other criteria
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I've noticed that he just stops replying when you find a good counter to his arguments and starts repeating his old arguments elsewhere instead, as if nothing happened. So that's probably the best way of dealing with it.
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Well I noticed that he ran out of arguments and stopped replying to me - and then immediately instead started telling other people why I had probably blacklisted them without having any clue what he was talking about.
I think the conclusion that I can draw from this is that he is an asshole.
And also as long as it is apparently fine to wildly speculate about why other people are doing things without having any actual evidence then I think he may have blacklisted me because he discriminates against my ethnic minority. Because that is the kind of thing that him and his kind would do.
Apparently it is also fine to stereotype people as 'them and their kind' with nothing to back it up...
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you are probably blacklisted now for not agreeing with the steamgifts-extreme-communist.
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On Steam, definitely. Users think that they can buy status with levels. Like being level 100 somehow makes them trustworthy. It's sad.
On steamgifts, definitely. There has always been elitism here. You have people who think their comments to entries ratio determines how quality of a user here they are. It's fine if they want to do that to themselves, but then they also hold everyone to their same arbitrary standards like that's how this site and everyone on it are supposed to be. It's also sad.
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Yeah to some degree as I heard no end of people calling low leveled people leechers and some high level people more about flaunting thier wealth than being nice.
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Out of curiosity and not being a native English speaker is flaunting the same as " showing off " ?
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Having a high rank doesn't mean you are wealthy, it shows you are generous.
I currently live from month to month, yet I'd like to gift.
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Shhh, you're doing it wrong.
You've been here for 2 weeks and instead of opening a rite of passage thread complaining about never having won anything yet... you've already given 15 games.
Tssk, tssk.
I hope my cinammon-flavored sarcasm was easy to spot. ;)
Also, because you're not alone in your preferences.
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I say that because the main way to go up in levels is to GA unbundled games, which given the fact most games are bundled either amount to very obscure stuff or new AAA titles (which aren't cheap)
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That's not necessarily true. I gave away my first expensive game just over a week ago (and even then it was from a big sale). I got to level 7 with mostly cheap and cheap-ish games. If your main goal is to get a few levels, then deals like this one can get you quite far.
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you can go up in ranks just by giving away bundles. which isn't bad at all.
you would be giving away LOTS of games compared to someone that, for example, spends $50 in a single game. even if the AA title is perceived as more "valuable", the amount of people getting bundled games makes both types of GAs even (at least for me).
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As someone who has never blacklisted anyone by sheer level alone (i probably have more mid to high level users blacklisted than most people), i'm sorry duckie, but i totally disagree. :)
Also, nobody should be offended by the BL. If people wish to blacklist me, my reaction is "so be it".
They're not obligated to give me anything.
Neither am i, nor are you. :)
Hope you take no offence on my disagreement though. ;)
Edit:
Just to post one easy example... if a user is level 8, 9 or 10 or whatever and posts homophobic comments, racial slurring, etc. you better be sure he's gonna be on my blacklist. And as presumptuous as it may be, i do consider myself better than a bigot (even if ever so slightly... heck, it's a bigot), but level has nothing to do with it, as i'm still lower than those mentioned levels. ;)
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But I still think it is abused more than used.
Perhaps, but that is a bit like everything else... even rules get broken and sometimes (sadly) probably circumvented.
There is no perfect system, i'm afraid. But i believe blanket-removing blacklists would do more harm than good.
I do respect your opinion nonetheless, for the record. :)
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As someone who has never blacklisted anyone by sheer level alone
Just to post one easy example... if a user is level 8, 9 or 10 or whatever and posts homophobic comments, racial slurring, etc. you better be sure he's gonna be on my blacklist
So why am I on your blacklist then?
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Maybe you did something he doesn't like, maybe you said something he didn't like, maybe you have broken official or self imposed rules in his eyes.
It all boils down to the fact that any reason he can make up is good enough to blacklist you. There's even a chance that he doesn't know (anymore) why he blacklisted you.
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It all boils down to the fact that any reason he can make up is good enough to blacklist you.
I am well aware of that. According to what he said though he seems like guy who only blacklists rude and awful people. So he is trying to make himself look like a good guy that blacklists for proper reasons.
That's why I'm asking him why am I on the list then, because by his reasoning I shouldn't be. So either I made a mistake which I can't remember, or he is not as nice guy as he's trying to make himself seem to be and he actually blacklists people for stupid reasons too.
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I guess you could call it " commedia dell'arte " were they mostly have their masks on but now and then the masks fall off.
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I am well aware of that. According to what he said though he seems like guy who only blacklists rude and awful people. So he is trying to make himself look like a good guy that blacklists for proper reasons.
You doth assume too much.
Plus, i never publicly disclose why i've blacklisted a specific user, not here on SG. And considering how you've conducted yourself, in the short few hours after asking, considering i'm not here 24/7, i really have no intention of explaining via steam chat. My level of patience towards adding antagonizing people to hear their laments is quite simply... none.
Not only did i most certainly never publicly disclosed every reason behind me blacklisting people in general, but you've already assumed i'm someone trying to make himself look like a good guy that blacklists for propper reasons.
First and foremost, me giving a few examples of clear-cut cases is not me naming all possible reasons, so you might want to stop skimming through people's posts and actually bother to read. I don't just mean my posts, you seem to do that to a lot of folks. Maybe some of the questions you ask, the answer was given already, had you bothered to read?
Secondly, if you've asked and answered before i could... even if i would (like i said, it's not like i'm online 24/7), or if you will... if you've already acted as judge and jury by assumption... why bother to ask, if you've carried out your sentencing?
I will say these 2 things, regarding you being on my BL:
- We obviously have a very different notion of what constitutes rude / antagonizing. Maybe you should look carefully at the very consistent pattern on your posting, regardless of whom you're addressing, that might give you a glimpse of the good guy you for one, seem to be.
- I don't blacklist people for making A mistake. When they do pile up though... that's a different story.
Take with you what you will, assume all you like. Had you addressed me differently, i might be inclined to be more tolerant. Since you didn't, as far as i'm concerned, that's my last interaction with you (and this was probably more of my time spent with you than you actually deserve), so lament at will. ;)
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You're laugh is mean. :'(
I feel antagonized. And sadly we can't justify it by difference in levels in one way or another. :'(
Any thoughts for a resolution?
I suggest a duel at sunrise, for i'm traditional that way. Or is sunset?
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i'm not laughing!
i'm delighted with the reply :3
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You just like to taunt me. :3
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this banana is just for you, so don't share it.
yes, completely elitist on my part.
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That was a nice elitist gesture, but not fitting of this site's dank memes.
I will still treasure it, because i like your style. :3
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It all boils down to the fact that any reason he can make up is good enough to blacklist you. There's even a chance that he doesn't know (anymore) why he blacklisted you.
I know very well why i blacklist everyone on my blacklist. Whether i'm willing to publicly disclose it or not, that's entirely up to me, whether you like it or not.
But aren't you the gift that keeps on giving as far as coherence goes? Gotta love the irony that there's a user asking you - the self-nominated moral authority regarding blacklists on this thread - why you blacklisted him, when he himself hasn't blacklisted you... and you being vague and evasive and deflecting in every possible way, all the while mentioning the calling out rule. So, you're the only one who has to worry about the calling out rule? Again, your rationalization of things is grand.
Projection is quite basic (not to mention childlike) and quite easy to spot. Try to be (or at least look) a bit less obvious, ok? Just a tad, at least.
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I just decided to take a look at my BL. Ignoring people who blatantly broke the rules (re-gifters, people not activating gifts, people posting ref links and so on), the distribution of levels in my BL seem to roughly match the level distribution on this site (actually, it seem to be slightly mid-heavy, and the fact that there is a level 10 on there, and there are so few level 10s in general might it alone might make level 10s over-represented, but there are no level 9's, so I guess that makes up for it)
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Don't know if i have a level 10 myself off the top of my head, but i have at least a few of level 9s (i remember those), and 2 of them for the exact same reason... ironically.
And ignoring all those you mentioned, puts me at a very similar distribution.
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Mine's about the same, it numbers somewhere around 20 total not counting regifters. Oddly enough, the first person I added to it was the sole level 10 on the list. Two 7's and an 8 joined a little while later, and the rest are mostly 3 to 5.
I like having the blacklist, but I do wish there were just a check box that'd let the site retaliatory blacklist users for you - but at the same time completely hide who they are to avoid all the little witch hunts I've seen happen on here when somebody finds out a random person blacklisted them. I could care less why I've been blacklisted and by who, but I do hate that unless I find out about it they can still enter my (admittedly mostly crap) giveaways. :D
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Ironically, i wish the same would be in place... for opposite reasons.
There would have to be safeguards in place to prevent abuse, but it could probably be done. Don't know however if it's something everyone would want or even if enough people would want it to justify having cg work on that chore.
It really doesn't bother me that someone who blacklisted me joins and wins one of my GAs. If i didn't feel there was a reason to blacklist them, it's ok, even if they blacklisted me, so be it.
It would bother me if i accidentally entered and won something from someone i have blacklisted. When i say accidentally, i obviously mean because of not remembering i have them blacklisted upon joining. Not like i click on every user before entering their GAs and some i recognize more easily than others. I don't have eidetic memory, so. :)
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Yeah, if that happened with me winning from someone I'd blacklisted I would pull them off my list but still feel like a dick. :(
Have just been lucky so far that most of my blacklist members tend to give out games I've hidden because I don't want them :D
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It's a bit like class antagonism in the real world but more subdued.
Kind of funny because usually things get more over the top on the internet but in this case it's less pronounced.
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I don't know anything about it at all really, but I do find it funny when I see people create giveaways so exclusive that they're basically just trading with each other, but getting to level 10 in the process :P
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I think it's more of a case by case basis. I also kind of feel like this "theory" is due to blacklisting and how some people use it/others take it seriously. There are other causes probably but I don't think there is a serious issue between low and high level users.
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I was really hoping you were a high level user making a joke. Then it would have been funny... :(
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Oh... but it was. It still was.
Hey... i'm amused. :D
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It's pretty rude to use just me for your research sample :'(
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I wouldn't call it antagonism. Some prefer giving back to the givers while personally I just want to avoid regifters or gift non-claimers and majority of those are in the Level 1-3 bracket. Around Level 4, users usually have a better grasp of rules.
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I once had a person who had re-gifted his/her way to level 4 win one of my GAs :( That person got a swift ban and someone else go the key.
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I know there have been complaints about level 5 regifters but I always do my due diligence. It just happens lesser at slightly elevated levels.
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Of course not. High level users are mostly very modest and nice if anything :)
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I think believing it is unexistant is just as unreal as believing it to be abundant. Such adversity does exist, but to a small degree and, just as many others have already pointed out better than I ever could, not due to the level itself, but how it became to be as high or as low as it is.
I myself am still level 1 (as I've only became as active as I am right now notuch more than a couple of months back). Yet, to this way, no one has affronted me because of my level — if such has ever happened, it was surely because I said something that wasn't fitting at the time.
I have, however, seen presumptuous high level people around the forums and overly defensive low levels eager to explain their situation whenever prompted — even when not required or pertinent.
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If by " presumptuous " you mean arrogant? Then you're by far not the only one that has seen this on SG discussions :-)
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I have, however, seen presumptuous high level people around the forums and overly defensive low levels eager to explain their situation whenever prompted — even when not required or pertinent.
True... and true. On both counts (regardless of how some will only emphasize one or the other, regardless of their own level - as if that by itself is supposed to mean anything).
It's not that i prefer to look the other way, but considering they're a minority, i just like to pretend (most of the time) they don't really count. ;)
And as far as i'm concerned, regardless of your level (pff at that), stay positive, even if you do notice some negativity from time to time. ;)
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Since we hear the word "leecher" quite a lot and people are being blacklisted just for not giving away games, I would say that the answer to your poll is "yes, to a small degree".
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There are always people who feel elite because they have given away many games (ergo high leveled). But it happens on a small degree and doesn't apply to all high-leveled users. Most low level users (esp. lv 0) doesn't even care about the forum lol.
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Yeah, I hate all of those low level users.. agh... pesky peasants! Off with their heads and let's not talk about this thing ever again!
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I am in one of those high level groups. I posted this above:
"I'm in one of those "high level groups" (charitable losers). On my first page of GAs there is a single GA for that group (and my WL). So just for the sake of "science" I decided to take a look at the first page of entries, and check their first page of giveaways. There is a grand total of 1 person out of those that did exclusively whitelist & small group GAs. When this debate came up in a previous thread, I got the exact same results. So I honestly suspect that these tiny elite AAA-groups are more of a myth than anything else (note that none of the ones coming up were actually purely giving away AAA games, and most of those that did give away AAA games were not only giving AAA games to small groups, most games given away were unsurprisingly bundle games). I'm not saying that it's impossible that they exist, but I've not seen any actual evidence of them."
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Well, generous users have the right to have some aggressive reaction towards ungrateful/rude users and gather themselves in groups as long as the site is balanced and they're not doing anything against its rules.
my first comment was a joke
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Yeah, that's why I responded with my opinion on the matter.
Plus, I don't see why are you so mad about these groups since you're lvl 4 and that's considered kinda high.
Even though that giving the good games for restricted high lvl groups is not fair to some point, but it's not against the rules as long as they are giving sth to the others.
And you can't actually blame the high level users for wanting to give the good stuff to others who gave the same amount of games as they did, because that will make all of their giveaways look useless/unnecessary and that a lvl 0 user doesn't have to give anything and that user would still win games with the same amount/quality that the high level users win.
Semi tl;dr
Contribution levels were made for a reason, using them in an evil way is not cool.
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I admit I haven't created a lvl 0 GA in a long time, I stick to lvl1. Not because I somehow despise people who don't to give away anything at all, but simply because in my experience people of lvl1 (and, before that, $0.01+) tend to know how this site works and tend to mark stuff as received without me inquiring about stuff and I worry too much about something being wrong if I see that Awaiting confirmation for too long.
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A statement was made in another tread about there being a high degree of antagonism between low level and high level people, something that I've personally not noticed. My experience it's that it's mainly down to individuals clashing, not "high level people" looking down at "low level people", and "low level people" generally disliking "high level people".
Also, exact definitions of high & low level were not given, but level 7 is at least considered high level in this context.
Obligatory GA
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