I want you guys to understand, that the absolute majority of russians eager for peace.
What exactly YOU did to stop the war? Did you go to protests? Because, you know this war is paid by YOUR taxes, so there is a damn good reason for hatred. You are sponsor of this war, so don't look surprised that you reap it's fruits.
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What did you do to stop the corruption in Ukraine? It's the 4th most corrupt country in the world. By your own standard of judging, you are sponsoring this corruption. Are you surprised to live in a country, where you pay half of your wages on energy bills (or so I've read, who knows what's true these days), because by your own standards you shouldn't be surprised to reap "it's fruits"?
Or, maybe change your thinking, let go of the hate and realise it's absurd to blame innocent and peace loving people for their corrupt/warmongering governments.
Edit; my formatting gets messed up when I use ` instead of ', anyway, stay safe.
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Did I created the thread asking people to not speak ill of Ukrainian corruption? Because I can't find one. And yes, whatever I did - was not enough, and if you want to blame me for Ukrainian corruption - go on, it's my fault too, and I'm ashamed of it. Can't see however how is that connected to this topic and current situation.
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You didn't ask about corruption, I was using that as a point of reference to show that innocent people can live in a country where they don't agree with what their government is doing, even if they don't go to protests. I do see where you are coming from, meaning that you judge yourself harshly as well, and it would be a better world perhaps if everyone did that, especially politicians.
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Are you saying that Russia is not corrupt ?
How do you think Putin has gotten all his wealth ?
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
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when you think of nazis, you don't really think about innocent germans that became victims of propaganda. that's the price to pay. you'll have to live with it. that's how politics work. if majority doesn't care, putin's minority starts to represent the majority. since it's silent.
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Hoping that I'm simply misunderstanding what you are saying. Are you saying that innocent nazis were just doing their job when they killed Anne Frank since they fell for the propaganda? For me, there is a difference with doing the right thing when you have a moral choice, and propaganda is not an excuse to hate.
And why do you think Putin has the vocal minority behind him? I think you may have fallen for the propaganda yourself. Please be kind.
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that's exactly what i'm talking about. you naturally extrapolate nazi crimes to the whole nation, even though nazi is not synonymous to german. same with russians right now. even though 140 millions of them are not physically bombing ukrainian cities. this is what op asks to avoid, bu it's rather hard to avoid as current events are literally presented as "russians save another russians from nazis".
putin's party support is as low as 30%. we do know russia elections were fraudulent for the past 20 years. we do know russian country-wide tv is fully controlled by government. we do know people are afraid to speak against the political orders and risk to lose their jobs.
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I didnt say all Germans killed Anne Frank, there were many good Germans who sacrificed their lives for standing up what was right. I
m not writing a book here so you can speculate all you want and put words in my mouth. I really like spaghetti btw. Seems you are avoiding your clarification on your seemingly ambiguous statement of saying there were nazis you consider innocent since they fell for propaganda.
And yes we know, Putin is very corrupt. It`s a shame. Maybe you agree that there always two sides to the story and you already know about Zelensky with his pandora papers shows (truly a cesspool) and that he also got rid of three news stations that were not pro Zelensky. And yes, Putin was at 30 percent approval rating (20+ years ago) but shot up to 80 percent immediately and has averaged around the 70's ever since. I thought that was pretty interesting and shows that your own extrapolating skills are subpar or swayed by propaganda.
In any case, stay safe, unless you are a Nazi sympathiser, which is still on the table apparently.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/
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Well, do what Ucrainins did with their ruler. You expect Russia to be a civilised political country, but it is still run by bolsheviks. You have to dethrone them and it will spill blood and not let any of them stay in politics afterwards. Russians made mistake of letting Putin take power in the first place.
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Not really
1) Stalin helped the Nazi's so that he could conquer halve of Polen and kill captured polish officers
So Stalin facilitated the start of WW2
2) Stalin did not listen when the allies warned him that the Germans were going to attack him
3) Stalih had to survive so he had to battle the germans and the allies helped him with a lot of food and weapons
Not because they liked him but the enemy of my ennemy is my friend
4) The russian people had the greatest losses in the war. But that came also by the way of fighting they did. Think of the actions of the Political commissar and throwing bodies against it. In leninggraf soldiers had to pick up weapons from the ground because they went into battle without a gun
4) Was it the leadership of Slalin or was it the leadership of some of his generals ? And remember that Russia had very big problems at the start of the war because Stalin purged the military, leaving it with a severe shortage of trained officers when war broke out
5) If the american's did not have the atomic bom what do you think Stalin would have orderd when the German's were defeated.
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Why do you even bother? This person is so deeply brainwashed that no amount of arguments and factual data will ever persuade them otherwise.
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I wouldn't call it hatred per se, but the opportunity of a lifetime! In the grand field of geopolitics most are careful with their chess pieces and wouldn't dare flex their military muscle as to (more than anything, I believe) not disturb "the balance of power," "the order of things," "the way things are," "post pax americana" and all that... essentially a world where the west goes by unchallenged, and that's the main issue with this war: yes, Ukrainian people die but in every chess board, peons will fall - that, in politics, in war, in love is inevitable - they are collateral damage. If it wasn't them, it would be another. Now, the Afghans were collateral for 20 years and the west never batted an eye so I immediately drew suspicion upon their passionate, all-consuming, brotherly response of support for the Ukrainian plight. Russia simply did something you don't do, something not even China (who has challenged them economically and has their own little cold war going on) did not resort to in Taiwan and that is put boots on the ground. Russia has challenged the global order and will pay dearly for doing so. After the world wars, western influence grew into a crescendo which has slowly decayed over time and now they clamor to get it back... but do not be mistaken, there are only losers in war, some more than others, especially the poor bastards caught in the cross fire of senseless political maneuvering. I call it the opportunity of a lifetime because Russians effectively have a target on their back by association... ask a Muslim during the war on terror, people of Japanese descent after pearl harbor, Chinese people after covid and many others, they would understand. Anyways, I appear to be rambling now
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I actually agree with you; There should be a clear difference between Russian Politics/leaders and Russians just trying to survive by not getting noticed
What seems to be happening now, unfortunately, is a simple hatred for every single Russian. It's true and oh-so-easy to judge, that a lot of people don't dare to protest.
But, to be fair... I personally wouldn't dare to either, if over the years people around me have been locked up, disappeared, or even known to be murdered due to protesting againt far more 'innocent' things than a Whacko president deciding to seize another country and threaten with nuclear weapons, going so far as endangering 2 nuclear plants! (Tsjernobyl + that one last week).
As a Dutchie it's easy to compare it to WW2: Everyone hated the Germans. But a lot of German people just wanted to live their life, didn't ask for a bloody war to be involved in, got forced into mility duties or brainwashed for years, truly believing that what they did in the army was the best thing to do so.
But also: The Netherlands got taken, and most people, including my grandparents, just tried to live their own life, try not to get noticed, with a huge but brave minory daring to even join the Resistance.
All I'm trying to say is.... Don't hold people that are scared for their own safety/life accountable for what their leaders do, especially since Russia ain't a democracy, not really, and it's not fair to judge them on what you think they should do without trying to understand their reality.
(And though understandable, I also think it's unfair that I've seen a lot of GA's with only Russia excluded)
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A large part of Russia blindly follows Putin. I think largely by the media indoctrination over there.
But they let it happen over the years. I am not saying that I would have done different because I have never lived in an oppressed society.
But it has gone to far and the only way to let the russian people know that is either thru sanctions or war. The second option would probably mean the end of human kind.
They rebelled once maybe they will again, but give his support over there probably not.
Another 14 years with Putin will not end well in my expectation.
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towards regular Russian people is insane! It really should stop now. I want you guys to understand, that the absolute majority of russians eager for peace. Same as you are! Same as everyone else. No one needs a war, except some politicians, that don't care about human lives and pursue their own interests. Regular russians have have nothing to do with it.
Truth! I truly feel sorry for all the people living there, forced to live in fear for their lives because if the government is capable of committing mass murder in a fake and evil wait to cover, they will more likely cover civilians who stand against Putin's terrorist and tyrant regime.
All I'm saying, that most russians have nothing against ukrainians or any other nations, we want peace. No need to judge us by the acts of our government, please be better than that. Just remember, we all are HUMANS, and not a single crazy politician or news media should set us against each other. Wish you love and patience, I hope both ukrainians and russians will overcome any kind of difficulties and stay strong!
I am sending my best wishes to you and your family. I'm sorry that you're all being blamed for one man. People who don't seem to understand some things make it easier to throw blames on others than to try to understand.
We've seen it multiple times in the past happening and most recently, with Covid, with Chinese people. People who don't understand what's going on blame others for their mistakes because it's easier.
What we can all do, is to create more awareness for brainwashed Russians to rebel and take down Putin off the throne and reestablish Russia in a way that does not threaten the lives of neighboring countries or the world. Putin is sending Russia through an economic crisis of great proportions and what the world wants is for Russia to do something about it, otherwise they will all face the consequences, even if the world wants it or not.
It's not acceptable in our day and age to go over a 3rd World War, because I believe each nation has understood already how stupid the first two were. Please don't let anything hateful address towards you and your people hurt you. You are strong people and you can overcome this together, but if you wish to work for peace, you need to act now and act fast.
Help the Ukrainians, help yourselves and only then the world will stop throwing stones at you. I'm sorry! Sending my best wishes to you! 🤗
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A bigger issue is the way the global government is attacking Russian people's way of life.
You may cast aside concerns because they are some throw away people to you. But who will protect your ability to survive when your country comes into the crosshairs of extreme sanctions, companies pulling out of your country, banks pulling out, the ability to pay for goods removed.
The U.N is a relic of the past that has served it's purpose. But it continues to spread influence and is becoming a new terror that should be dealt with.
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Hi Chaotikizm,
its very interesting to compare details about the Canada protest and how news were kept low profile.That
s not democratic at all.
Your observation is very interesting, just to focus attention on sanctions and restrictions (no matter how to twist actual events unfolding, but instead of opting for peace and conflict resolution - Global Nations are displaying more signs of a war):
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these are not global government attacks. this is a special financial operation for deputinisation of russia. putin left no choice to the world.
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Absolutely unorthodox and unprecedented. A world wide attack on Russia will leave Russia no choices. You will get the worst outcome.
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Please don't spread lies and teach hate/discrimination.
The many goverments and people the world over are NOT targeting Russia because of ethnic/race. (to say its about ethnic/race, is supporting the war).
They are targeting a country that has started an evil war of aggression, with non-violent passive pressure, ie: sanctions, in hopes to persuade the goverment to stop the war before the war gets any worse.
When both the world and your own people tell you to stop the war, to continue the war would prove just how evil the government truely is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzNxLzFfR5w
That's what Russia doesn't understand. They fight for their country. For their freedom.
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so much propaganda form russians who actally are good
yeap, they was bad just yesterday, but today, when they start war and start mass killing people they become good. why so much hate to them, they are good, they not support war, there is even no russians at this war, its all fakes
russian are good
thx god russians find out, that steamgifts its another one good platform to spread propaganda
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what you posted is typical russia today kind of kremlin propaganda. putin's team, support our president, united nation, etc etc.
and this is what typically happens in russia when you're against putin.
https://twitter.com/Activatica/status/1500464434766041094
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towards regular Russian people is insane! It really should stop now. I want you guys to understand, that the absolute majority of russians eager for peace. Same as you are! Same as everyone else. No one needs a war, except some politicians, that don't care about human lives and pursue their own interests. Regular russians have have nothing to do with it.
I have an answer for that too.
There have been numerous protest acts, mass meetings and even riots since 2010. Not only against the government, but against Putin himself. Thousands of people have ruined their lives by getting real prison sentences, some even were killed, and basically, nothing has changed during all these years as none of the populace demands were reached. In fact, the resistance became much weaker after every year.
Not only regular people, but even opposition key figures had no success. Boris Nemtsov was so far the only real threat to Putin and his power, as he had a lot of power and connections himself. There was no success in this confrontation for him either. After the Russia's takeover of Crimea, he was heavily against such policy and was looking to save Donetsk and Lugansk from war. However, just in a couple of months after claiming this position and starting to look forward on possible resolution, he was brutally murdered right in front of the Moscow's Kremlin...
So even the people of power can't do much.
All I'm saying, that most russians have nothing against ukrainians or any other nations, we want peace. No need to judge us by the acts of our government, please be better than that. Just remember, we all are HUMANS, and not a single crazy politician or news media should set us against each other. Wish you love and patience, I hope both ukrainians and russians will overcome any kind of difficulties and stay strong!
❤
Please refrain from discussing here the conflict itself, as there is the special thread for it
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