What's the point in releasing this OS?

Steam OS native games will suck. Why? Because it's Linux and devs will have to use OpenGL instead of DirectX. (Windows, xBox, PS, all these are using DirectX).

You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!

Oh, so now if i want to play a windows game on my TV, I'll have to connect my TV to the SteamOS machine and then i'll have to connect my SteamOS machine to my Windows PC?

But what's stopping me from connecting my PC to my TV? It's much, much easier.

It's quite sad seeing all these people getting over hyped....

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devs will have to use OpenGL instead of DirectX

Why is this bad?

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It will take more time to release a game, also it will require more money. And the quality won't be the same.
Also if some game will be released with OpenGL support what's stopping you from installing that game on a better linux distro?

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Try reading this for some background information: http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-and-not-DirectX
And what do you mean "better linux distro"? The whole point of SteamOS is to be the better distro for gaming.

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Why exactly would it take more time to release a game using OpenGL? And why wouldn't the quality be the same?

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It wont be the same. As u may know - there is a one more new technology called OpenCL and with a OpenGL > games will run faster. And one more - PS3 and PS4 using a OpenCL libraries.

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a better Linux distro? how can you know that steam-os (only created for gaming) is not better for playing games than all other distros?

11 years ago
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Here's a good comparison of graphics quality between OpenGL and Direct3D, for your reference. So yeah, pretty much ;-).

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Seems like you dont know what exactly DX and OpenGL are.

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^ THIS

11 years ago
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No, RazielAntemos is neither DirectX nor OpenGL.

11 years ago
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true, i am Glide

11 years ago
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You're my old 3dfx voodoo card? o.O It's been so long, how has it been?!

11 years ago
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i have one too :D

11 years ago
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+1

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click
DirecX > OpenGL (for gaming at least...)

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And?

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ok, so u wanna tell u see any difference in rendering?

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Check the fps please

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i asked about RENDERING

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Sure, the quality is pretty much the same, but what's the point in having the same quality if with OpenGL you get slideshows and with DirectX you get a nice play-able thing?

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dont u think it will be optimized to even overlift that dx fps?

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Yep, it will, but it will take more money and more time. Why trying to reinvent the wheel while you can just improve the already existing one?

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why even invent something with that kind of logic?

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Why would it take more money and more time to use OpenGL instead of DirectX?

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Because a dev will make a directx version of his game, biggest market after all, and then he will also have to make a OpenGL version. This is why.

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Nothing's forcing the devs to release games for Steam OS, and I'm betting that DirectX games will stream to it. And you're forgetting about those indie devs who only release on PCs but go with OpenGL so they can release on Windows, Mac OS and Linux.

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That video didn't show any slideshow on the OpenGL side.

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The difference in fps is too big to ignore it.

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The reason OpenGL is rendering at half the FPS that DirectX is is because for some reason it's only having to render half the number of frames that DirectX is. If they were both rendering the same number of frames the FPS would be identical.

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It was artificially frame locked to 30 FPS judging by the comments. Hardly a fair comparison. Even the uploader said it's only a graphics comparison. Also, see my post below about L4D2

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The reason OpenGL is rendering at half the FPS that DirectX is is because for some reason it's only having to render half the number of frames that DirectX is. If they were both rendering the same number of frames the FPS would be identical.

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AMD and Nvidia heavily optimize their drivers for benchmarks. If you want to see a real world comparison, check out L4D2 on Linux vs Windows

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1st, all cross platform devs and some Windows devs already use OpenGL
2nd, yes, that would work, but would require you picking up your computer and bringing it over to the TV, extra work cabling, or some other workaround. I don't see how it would be easier than using a device designed to do that.

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It's so that you can have your desktop in another room and still play on your living room couch. A convenience thing for some people.

Also, what's wrong with OpenGL? PS3 uses a tweaked version of it by the way, as D3D is a Microsoft thing

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There are only two options:
1) You really do not know what you are talking about
2) You are guy from MS

11 years ago
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Can't tell if trolling or just really really dumb.

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Thirst: from what they said: faster on linux (need to wait for that)

Secondly, the streaming allow you not having to move your big tower downstair for example, you will not have a weird tower in your living room.
Moreover, streaming is not only for living room: for instance you can stream to your laptop into your garden (playing on the sun a dream).

Finally you can get rid of your tower in your bedroom (get it on the attic for example) , and still play it in your bedroom, but this time, you don't have the noise of fans (which in my case are pretty noisy and annoying)

That a couple of use you can have of it. ;)

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Steam does not force you to change anything, if you're happy with your setup, keep using it. SteamOS and steam box are about extending the reach of steam to the console people.

11 years ago
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not sure if trolling or just dumb

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tl;dr OP is a windows fanboy.

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Not really...i just don't see the point in complicating things?
Also I have 2 laptops at the moment, one with windows, one with ubuntu...but whatever...if you want to think that i'm a fanboy go ahead...

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Try using a real Linux distro, such as Debian or Gentoo, rather than a dumbed down version designed to appeal to non-technical users.

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You can use ubuntu and be a programmer...

I used many a distro, from archlinux to openbsd, and ubuntu has the great advantage of working out of the box, not necessitating any maintenance or hours of compilation etc.

Ubuntu is here in every programming enterprise and in every programming event.

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I have no idea what any of this stuff means, but I'm fairly confident you don't either. I'm just capable of admitting it.

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I sure you don't know anything about game development at all. OpenGL is not some crazy alien technology, it's actually used on PS3 and many others non-Micro$oft consoles, also it's faster than Directx.

I am quite sure Valve must be working on a better solution, like using Wine to run the Windows games directly, but it will take time since Linux video drivers are awful.

For now let's wait and see. If everything works out, I will finally be able to get rid of this computer cancer called Windows.

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computer cancer : u cant find better word for windows

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Works fine for me, I can run so many programs from the web, I am healthy.
Windows 7 is pretty good, obviously better than any Mac OS.
Linus may be more stable etc. but it just hasn't the support for programs/games like Windows does. Therefore Windows is better.

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That's where SteamOS comes in, the more people use it, more devs will create software and drivers for Linux, making it the best OS for everything.

Let's not forget that Android is based on Linux and it works great, so I have big hopes for SteamOS.

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As it was said, u can launch ANY game from steam on SteamOS. So it doesnt matter for wich platform game was developed for. They are using a streaming game techonology from PS4 services as was announced long time ago.

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Currently PS ises OpenGL. And for your information DirectX will most likely come to Linux since M$ is holding it back anyway...

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It's pretty simple: Gabe doesn't want to rely on a single OS so he makes his own.
The SteamBox is a way to spread his OS and probably some console gamers jump on the train, too. It's true that the SteamBox is only for those that a)don't have enough money to afford a real PC and b)can't connect their PC to their TV for some reasons

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Or c) don't want to use shitty Windows anymore for PC gaming.

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You certainly don't have to like Windows, but saying it is shit either means you're a complete idiot or just a troll.

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Or you know.... It is shit.

It uses way more RAM and CPU power needed, unoptimized and sometimes pretty buggy...

So yeah, Its shit.

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Wait. Maybe in future we can play some PS4 from streaming service on steamOS - that would be greatful.

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There are already Linux games on Steam. Click. Devs won't be forced to make Linux games. You won't be forced to play them.

For the second thing. I'm gonna buy Raspberry PI, connect it to my TV and stream games without moving my whole computer to the living room. That's what it's for.

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OHHH, THE IRONY

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What I hate about SteamOS is the interface. It's slow and lags a lot.

Another thing I hate. The ON button in the SteamMachine model #2 is kind of cheap and breaks easily.

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How did you try SteamOS?

Where did you see the SteamMachines?

11 years ago
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Oh.... Isn't this thread about assuming stuff from the arse and speculating about things no one has seen yet??

Sorry

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Lol. Good one.

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I think that you are the victim of Microsoft's marketing scheme...saying that DirectX basically is #1 technology for gaming.

Also I don't get why you seems all upset by this...it's not like they are forcing you to use it anyway.

"I’m pretty happy with my PC Gaming setup, do I have to buy a new piece of hardware now?
No. Everything that we’ve been doing on Steam for the last 10 years will continue to move forward."

So what's the fuss about it?

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OpenGL vs Direct X is also about more than just performances.

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Closed 11 years ago by Fibblez.