Hello,
recently 2 of my friends started a discussion about giving away a game you've won to a friend.
SG is clearly against it, since the guidelines clearly say "Won gifts should be activated to the Steam account used during registration, and they should not be regifted, traded, or sold". But does the SG community agree with this rule?
I am only speaking on the moral side, from your point of view, is it immoral to share with your acquaintances the games you've won?
Personally I did not give away any games I've won and probably never will, but I think it is morally fine to do whatever you feel right with anything you've won, as long as it is legal.
I wanna hear the community's thought about the topic.
a little clarification: I am not talking about bots and the problem with them, but on your whim to share the game with your friend or acquaintance, who ultimately wanted it more than you.

I apologies for any mistakes in my grammar / writing, English isn't my native language.

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What is your opinion?

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I agree - It is fine regardless of the site's Guidelines.
I disagree - you should activate the game you won in your account only.

If you don't want it, don't enter a giveaway. Why would you? The idea is anathema.

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This ^
Exactly!

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Can't say more.100% agree with him

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+1OOOOO%

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This. Anyone who enters for a game that they don't actually want or wont activate is morally bankrupt.

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Better activate on your account and share your Steam library (Steam Family Sharing). I could consider stop giving if I don't know where my gifts go.

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sg rules prevent people from exploiting the system even more. just imagine what would happen if users were free to win the same game 50 times.
these guidelines could sound stupid or unfair for someone outside the site so i don't expect most friends to understand how things works here. the whole "no regifting" thing doesn't apply to most things in real life. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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This is the second thread in which you've replied seconds before me.
Damned ninja. ;_;

6 years ago
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very ninja

now watch me disappear

View attached image.
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*stealthy sobs*

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like a pro

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XD that is a beautiful version of that disappearing fad i havent seen before. thanks!

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Good point indeed.

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There are games so beautiful that winning them once is just not enough :v

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+1

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But does the SG community agree with this rule?

Yep, I agree 110% with the rule.
Your friends can make an account here if they want to enter for a particular game.

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Of course, I mean even after he enters the same giveaway as you.

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As someone above said, I like knowing where my gifts go.
Besides, if you're allowed to pass wins along to your friends, there's no way of knowing if someone didn't just sell or trade the win.

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What do you mean in "trade the win?"
I do agree there is no actual way to know what was done with the copy (as long as you did not activate it) - sold, given, anything.

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To answer your question, they'll win a game they don't want, and trade it (off SG) for one they do want.

With no rule about activating a win on your own account, how many more bots and multi-accounts would we end up with on SG - here solely to turn a profit by selling/trading their wins away? We already have way too many, in my opinion.

Even if someone felt it was "morally okay" to give your wins to someone else, it'd never work. A system of accountability is required to keep things somewhat in check.

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Nothing wrong in it if you do it right and buy another copy for yourself, nobody will even know you regifted it.

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I've never really checked any profile that won one of my GAs, but I'm sure many does.
I am solely speaking on the moral side of it, even if you do buy a copy for yourself.
On the other hand, you could just activate the game on your account, and buy the same game as a gift to your friend.

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Yes, both of those options are equally right morally.

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Well said.

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But is it immoral to break the rules you have agreed on to join the community. Break your promise to obey the rules.

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+1

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The rule doesn't exist only for moral reasons though, without it the level system wouldn't work (multiple people could receive CV when only 1 gift exists, and you could just make fake giveaways in groups and say the winner gave it to a friend) and not everyone would have the same odds of winning a giveaway (you could ask friends to enter for a game you want)

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I think it's a nice thing to share, but if it's against the site's rules, then it's just straight-up a no-no.

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Would you like someone to enter your giveaways with the intention of re-gifting?

I don't, so I won't do it.

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I am only speaking on the moral side, from your point of view, is it immoral to share with your acquaintances the games you've won?

Yes, the least you should do for winning a game, aka obtaining it for free, is to activate it on your own personal account, and not give it to friend, trade away or sell for profit. If I wanted to give my game to friend, trade away or sell for profit then I'd not make a giveaway for you to win in the first place.

This is the bare minimum that you should do, since "morally right" thing to do would be also to play it, since this is the reason why you entered the giveaway in the first place.

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Looking at man's expression in first panel, I think he was regifing that too.
Too bad we can't see the full chain =P

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It seems like any of those pictures could be 1st in chain

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The one problem I have with that kind of thinking is that when you win a game from a GA you took the chance of winning away from everyone else that entered it. So for me entering the GA for a game without actually wanting it for yourself is what I would characterize as immoral, and activating it on your own account is a way of showing to the community that was not the case.

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...I think it is morally fine to do whatever you feel right with anything you've won, as long as it is legal.

If you consider "house-rules within frame of overall legislature" part of the legal system, then violating the house-rule is not legal anyhow - therefore in your take is such violation not moral anyhow since violation of the house-rule is not legal regardless of arguments about content thereof.

And so or so, as e.g. SG user you pretty much have a Terms of Service agreement you likely entered out of your free will - and if you consider violating an agreement as not moral, then violating agreement is not moral even if that agreement has no legal basis.

Also, quite many shops and companies actually do have terms of service in which gift cards/ vouchers are considered non-transferable. And violating such rule of non-transferability will of course usually not have any penal consequences, but in terms of contractual law the person who violated that rule sits on the legal short end when e.g. refused service in such regard.

As for question of whether that rule makes sense in a context of talking about that SG rule itself and not about "morality of violating it", personally I find it to make sense, among other because it makes it somewhat more likely that users enter GA only for what they care about playing and due to that the odds of winning are increased for those who enter GA for what they care about playing, unlike how it would be if they had to share the odds with sort of cartels of perhaps even hundreds of persons running some pyramid scheme entering GAs for each other, or whatever.

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These friends can register here, too. Now if they don't reach the $100 account value, help them. I don't know which reason could speak against registering here. But if they mean to have a good reason for not doing so, then they have also no reason to expect getting sth. from here and should try trade sites.

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Whut? Are you serious? What kind of question is that????!!
I don't know about "moral thing."
But, I'm sure the Steamgift.com won't exist if you think your "so-called" morality is larger than the rules that keep the site running.
Imagine this:
Any group of 5 people can create infinite numbers of giveaways to gain infinite CVs without cost a penny if the winner doesn't have to activate the gift on their own Steam account.
So, the CV and user's levels are useless. Then who wants to make a giveaway or enter one? 100,000 entries for one gift? C'mon!!!!

If Steamgift.com doesn't exist anymore, what "moral thing" are you talking about??? 😒

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I support the current system and I do NOT think it should change.
I did not even once suggested SG should let people enter GAs only to give them away.
I am talking about a situation where you enter a certain giveaway, win, and then find out a friend of yours wants the game you've won even more, so you simply hand it over to him.
my question was if it is moral, not legal by the site's guidelines, because obviously it is not.

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I understood your point.
But do you really know what are you talking about?
Your "moral thing" completely jeopardizes the existence of Steamgift.com.
I said again, anyone wins a giveaway without activating the gift on their own Steam account = there will be no Steamgift.com.
Re-gift the game is never about "morality." Not even close. Rule is a rule. There is a reason to have this rule.
It's a vital rule that keeps Steamgift.com alive.
So, you ask the wrong question.
The question really matters is:
Do you think it's moral to make Steamgift.com disappear only for someone's personal "moral" interest?
Huh! 😕

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To answer your question, no, it shouldn't. Never have I suggested SG should remove this rule.

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Good to know! 🙂
But you're not answering my question. 🙄
I didn't ask "should someone suggest SG remove this rule."
My question is:
Is it moral to make Steamgift.com disappear only for someone's personal "moral" interest?

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I did, the word "no" was related to that.

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I don't even know why this even has to be asked.

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It doesn't.
I asked for opinions about a moral action. Legal in terms of the site - it is not, thus no one should attempt to do what I talked about here.

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Is this about seeing people do Suits GAs after the big 5000 copy GA ended?

Anyways I see the whole thing as being foul as it mucks up someone else's chances and all for a tiny amount of CV (most games in these mega GAs are both cheap and bundled)

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this kind of thread is blacklist bait! goodluck.

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I barely make any giveaways due to lack of money, and when I do have the money - I usually buy something to a friend or 2.
Let alone looking at the profiles of those who commented.. not everything is bait.
I can even take a screenshot of my blacklisted users if you are that worried, the only people I ever block are scammers.

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Not always a reason, i have no money and i could give away things with f.e Tremorgames.

He meant for people to blacklist you.

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you totally misunderstood me, I meant this kind of thread are easy to the eyes of people who likes to blacklist, I'm wondering how BL you got since you started this thread.

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I don't really care TBH.
I'm not desperate for games and I won't complain whenever someone blacklists me for no reason, as I stated I never have broken the rules and never will.
I do apologies for the misunderstanding.

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Do I think it would be morally wrong to give a game you've won to a friend or family member, if they really wanted it?
Questionable. On the one hand, it would be better if a game would be owned by someone who really wants it, on the other hand you're opening up a lot of room for abuse right here (have 5 people join giveaways for a game with the intention of giving the winnings to one person, thus giving that person a 5 times higher chance of winning than anyone else).

Do I think we should allow people to give away won games to others?
Absolutely not.

By making it so that you are forced to activate games on your own account, you avoid having people join giveaways with the intention of selling or trading their won games. It would give people another incentive to get multiple accounts as well (funneling games to their main account).

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Well said!

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But does the SG community agree with this rule?

Yes.

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... is it immoral to share with your acquaintances the games you've won?

The answer is pretty clear when you think about it.

  1. When you are freely given a gift without having asked for it, you have every right to decide what to do with it. It was given to you without any consideration of whether or not you wanted it, and you made no promises about what you were going to do with it. You are stuck with the gift.
  2. When you ask someone for a gift, you are making a demand upon his or her wealth/effort/time. He or she is giving up something of him or herself to accommodate you, and he or she therefore has every right to set conditions upon the receipt of that gift. That includes any promises. If you agree to those conditions, you are morally bound to follow through with them.
  3. When you choose to participate in an activity (e.g. website promotion), you agree to the conditions of that activity. In effect, you make a promise to "abide by the rules" of that activity. Those who give games away on this site do so with the understanding that their winners will (at bare minimum) activate their won games on their accounts.

If we use SteamGifts as an example, you request a game where the "default promise" is that you will activate the won game on your account, and that promise is enforced. Some people make other stipulations for entering their giveaways, but enforcement of any other promises is at best conditional. That does not mean that breaking your promise is morally acceptable; but not all wrongdoing is punished in this life.

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I agree wholeheartedly with the rule. I'm not giving my game to your friend(or more likely, G2A), I'm giving it to you.

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Even if we agreed that is not "immoral" to "share the gift with acquaintances", there would be absolutely no way to know if someone actually "shared" or sold the game on G2A. So, whether it is "moral" or not, it doesn't really matter. It would be unenforceable as a rule.

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No.

  1. It's the rules.
  2. You can't really know whether the winner actually gave it to a friend or if they sold it away.
  3. Your friends can also make an account on this public website.
  4. If your friend didn't win the giveaway that you won, then that's just tough luck. I can't afford Kingdom Come, but if someone else gifted it to me for some reason, you wouldn't give it to some other friend, right? It'd be rude and disrespectful.

So, respect the creator by taking their gift and activating it. Also, enter for games that you actually want to play. If you just pass it on, then you never wanted it and in turn, someone else lost out on getting it.

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Closed 6 years ago by DolCare.