I actually wait only i finally can play Zelda with the new console ;)
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I'll be getting it regardless, and I will wait for nintendo to unveil it.
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well, if they go with the newish ARMv8.x, those should be powerful enough to make emulation a valid option. (Mind you, that still leaves the question how the disk-based media would be supported for a device that targets cartridges instead)
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Is it ?
Wii U's CPU is a custom (and actually seriously underpowered) IBM PowerPC variant , in terms of raw performace it's about on par with a PS Vita, which runs on ARMv7 CPUs.
ARMv8's are fair step up from those (10%-15% faster overall) , and the low-level virtualization/emulation that for example QEMU provides (mentioning that one as it supports ARM as host platform, and PowerPC as guest) typically doesn't need more than that.
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Looks neat, but ... why the Tegra? Couldn't they commission a custom x86 chip from AMD, or even use an Atom?
On a side note, that cartridge gives me a strong Game Boy vibe...
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Tegra is best in terms of GPU performance / watt is, AFAIK.
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Pretty much what was expected then.
Cartridges will make physical games more expensive, so combined with lower specs it will probably have a problem getting third party development just like the Wii U did. It'll probably come with a joke HD or SSD as well, probably 64GB...
With the income from Pokemon Go they couldn't care less.
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Not really though, look at how cheap you can get very fast SD cards nowadays, faster and more capable than blu-ray discs in fact.
What really bothers me is "way below the Xbox one" which basically means no third party support which means shit sales.
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You can't get 32GB SD cards cheaper than Blu Ray discs.
No one is arguing they can't be faster. My point is that Nintendo doesn't absorb costs which means 3rd party devs are the ones going to lose that cut.
Prices will probably also be higher.
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Tegra X1, the first SoC to have a graphics performance of 1 teraflop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra
It's the same GPU the NVIDIA Shield uses.
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Nintendo's cut from Pokemon Go is only 13% (including their shares in the studios)
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Also, Pokemon Go has been in a steady decline for weeks now and will likely be negligible with a month or two.
It doesn't directly make any money -- and it costs Verizon a lot of money with their data.
Not more you can really do with a game where all you do is swipe up.
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Source? I heard Pokemon GO made Nintendo worth more than Sony, so it has to be making the big bucks.
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Stocks going up is indirect profit, also based on speculation -- that's what the market is made up of; speculations.
The game itself doesn't bring in revenue, the amount of influence the company has increases investment, but what I was mentioning was the steady decline in usage of the game.
Pokémon Go is still a massive hit, with somewhere in the neighborhood of 21 or 22 million daily active users in the United States on July 20, according to SurveyMonkey’s data. The bad news is that daily usage is down from the peak daily usage of over 25 million users, which Pokémon Go hit on July 14.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nintendo-pokemon-stocks-idUSKCN10504G
Shares in Nintendo Co tumbled as much as 18 percent on Monday after the company said Pokemon GO would have a limited impact on its earnings - their biggest setback so far after a huge run-up on the smash-hit game.
Source: https://www.surveymonkey.com/business/intelligence/peak-pokemon-go/
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It really still is way too early to judge Pokemon Go's success though.
Game isn't even out for a month yet, so the shakeout of people who just install out of curiosity and don't play for more than a few days/weeks still needs to happen before reliable, steady user numbers appear.
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Nope. You were all wrong and I was right. :)
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/08/pokemon-go-sheds-more-than-10m-users/
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Doesn't make us wrong. This is the shakeout I was referring to, from here on we'll see the real staying power of the game.
... And the article is written in the same style as the "World of Warcraft is dying" that show up on a regular basis since the Cataclysm expansion. How true did those prove to be ?
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And the article is written in the same style as the "World of Warcraft is dying" that show up on a regular basis since the Cataclysm expansion. How true did those prove to be ?
But Warcraft is dead. To me and anyone else that played it during vanilla, WotLK and beyond -- and doesn't have mental health issues.
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So it's dead to you and to others that share your opinion. But that doesn't drive earnings reports, stock prices or anything I thought this thread was about - since you brought that up and all.
It's still making plenty of money, so to Blizzard's business it's still very much alive.
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The only reason WoW has a profit is because of the cash shop, Blizzard even says this themselves.
"revenue from the cash shop partially offset the loss of subscribers"
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ACTI/145340794x0x827026/99ddfb5f-d14e-43c4-9f96-f47621de188a/Q1_2015_ATVI_Earnings_Press_Release.pdf
They also decrease cost by slowly decreasing the leasing of costly gaming servers from hosts and server farms, decreasing player capacity that's not needed. That's because WoW is slowly losing all it's subscribers. It's already below the peak paying subscriber count of vanilla. In 2010 there were 12 million paying subscribers, this time last year there were 5.6 million paying subscribers. Today, now with the looming Legion coming out soon, there is less than 3 million paying subscribers, the lowest count since 2006. I think anyone can see where this is going.
Since the release of Warlords of Draenor last year it seemed to be the final blow to kill the beast that was WoW. You can't even fly on flying mounts anymore. They've completely destroyed so many elements that kept people paying. Thousands upon thousands of diehard dweebs that have been playing since vanilla been canceling their subs.
Denying the death of WoW is almost like denying the holocaust.
There is an event called the "0 Sub Day" and lots of proposed timelines. I'll leave this image here at the bottom that I think helps. (Keep in mind Cataclysm is truly the catalyst that started the downward spiral.)
P.S. The thread is about Nintendo's next console actually, not [insert game here] making money. xD Thanks for the convo anyways.
P.P.S. You also might be interested to know, that during any day, of those ~3 million subs there are only about 30,000 different characters that actually are logged into and played across ALL servers. 30,000 characters is fucking dismal. Lineage 2 boasts a better active player count.
P.P.P.S. Subscriber counts also include players that pay for gametime using tokens which are bought with in-game gold and don't actually provide Blizzard any revenue.
Edit: Hope I provided enough info/links.
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The End of Pokémon GO? CNBC's Boorstin Reports
Pokémon Go loses its luster, sheds more than 10 million users
People should pay me to predict the future. ;]
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my feeling is that if the new Nintendo box has exclusive pokemon go features leveraging on existing accounts, it will get a huge extra fuel.
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That's the problem though. We already have a 3DS and I love mine for it's collection of games, portability and the fact that most of them support "ill just close my console for now cause i'm getting in a bus, will open it in 5 minutes or 2 hours" playstyle. If i want to play some more engaging AAA games I have my PC for that, the same way people have their home consoles for that. And i know it will be able to be played it on your TV, but if it's going to be weak, there won't be a lot of big titles on it.
Edit to clarify: Why I care so much about big third party games on nintendo's new console is because the big N has some of the best exclusive games on their consoles so I'd like a place to play both them and third party titles.
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I don't see it being much cheaper. Since Nintendo doesn't absorb costs like other manufacturers their prices are not that competitive.
Having 3rd party game sales they can make up their loses on game sales, but Nintendo sells their consoles at a profit, so the prices are relatively higher when compared to the cost.
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It could be, but when developing for the other 3 systems you can do it at about the same "level" and need a different "lighter" version for the Nintendo console, so it ends up being less cost-effective when considering the markets and the users you can reach with each option.
Sure it could be cheaper to develop for Nx than for PS4 or any of the others, but chances are there's going to be a better opportunity cost in the other option.
Not that I'm happy about it.
That and the install base is what killed the PS Vita, but I don't see lower dev. costs saving it without a considerable install base.
Conjecture aside, we'll see what happens in the next year.
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It makes total sense if portability is a key feature. Optical media is not exactly portable friendly. And when they say cartridges they mean something far more akin to the 3DS games. People need to get the antiquated idea out of their heads of cartridges like those in the N64 era (or older).
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Cartridges are just as capable as discs, they are more portable, and it's far cheaper to put in a cartridge reader instead of a disc reader.
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Ridiculous ideas and ridiculous console imo, Nintendo creativity is getting old, and bad. And it will most likely have even less 3rd party support from devs and publishers than Wii U.
Nintendo is too obsessed with mobile market. Releasing an App like Pokemon GO is cool idea, but a console like that nope, that is going over the border.
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Nintendo owns shares of the developers and the pokemon company.
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I couldn't disagree more. I think a hybrid system is a great concept. How cool would it be to play a great game on a TV at home and then take that exact same game with you on the go (and not just a portable version that might cut corners)? Vice versa holds true as well. On a sort of related note, I have a 2DS and have on several occasions thought how nice it would be to have the option to be able to connect it to a TV while at home to play.
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Yeah playing 2DS on a big screen a a very good experience, it might be exhausting playing on small screens, but Nintendo didn't give a fuck about making that possible, so instead of making it, they make a new console with that simple idea that is possible to do with any smartphone or tablet, so here it's Nintendo's fault for not making such simple thing already on their portable consoles, which is not hard at all.
One thing would be cool for that console, if all titles that normally go on Wii U or 3DS, could release on one system Nintendo NX.
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Please do enlighten me as to how you would do that with any smartphone or tablet.
Also, it's worth pointing out that the genres of games that work well on any device that relies heavily or solely on touch-screen controls is somewhat limited. For example, I recently got Goat Simulator for free for Android via their underground app, but god damn is it extremely awkward to control. Monument Valley on the other hand I have found quite enjoyable and very well-suited for the control scheme.
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Well you need an HDMI cable, and a controller, any controller with USB cable will do, you may need mini/micro USB cable or adapter. There is also other ways, like video streaming to the TV, but for that most likely an Android powered TV is needed, and same for Bluetooth controller.
I'm not saying Android or iPhone is the thing to replace Nintendo, it's not, because Nintendo exclusives are a way better than stupid smartphone games, but still it's easy to do.
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I disagree. While a hybrid system is great in theory would you want to play 2ds games at 240p in a 4k tv/monitor?
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Not that I have a 4K display as I can't afford one (and how high is the adoption rate on this yet anyway?), but actually yes, I would, or to any TV for that matter. Should I begrudge my N64 too for how it's going to look? It's understood that it's not going to be high fidelity due to the nature of the system. Also, if it were all about the graphics and not the quality of the games and how fun they are to just play then Nintendo would have gone out of business a long time ago, while some others like NEC and SEGA might not have disappeared with their own competing platforms.
This isn't really about the 2DS/3DS though. If the NX utilizes an Nvidia Tegra chip as rumored, whether a current one, a forthcoming one, or even a custom one, it is going to be capable of HD output. Also, considering how even the Xbox One and PS4 have struggled to produce 1080p @ 60fps on all games across the board, it seems a bit unrealistic to throw 4K resolution out there as the expectation.
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I don't "care " about graphics per se, but a console launching in 2017 i kinda expect to be able to run games either 1080p@60FPS or 4k@30FPS. Games with low resolution, for me, lose quite a bit of their enjoyment because the image on screen is "worse" then whatever i see on my desktop. I for one have a hard time playing old games on modern TVs, for examplei don't enjoy playing a "simple" PS1 game on a 50 inch TV as much as i enjoy playing that game on a small screen like the PS Vita.
I have no idea on what the adoption rate of 4k TV is but they aren't THAT expensive anymore (a 43 inch TV would be around 500 euro).
I'm also disappointed in both Xbone/PS4 which is why i evade those consoles like the "plague" and I will wait for some top tier exclusives or skip them. (that said i received a PS4 as a gift so i have it but with just one game).
I feel like my tastes are very far from mainstream, I prefer the Vita to the 3DS because the games "play better" and look better on the OLED screen; So maybe it's for the best that nintendo doesn't cater to my tastes.
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Well from a hardware perspective the PS Vita was/is superior to the 3DS, but clearly it was not nearly as successful. The games themselves are the most important thing and sometimes the better hardware doesn't 'win'.
As far as the NX goes, don't forget that you are talking about a portable system here. You can't cram the same amount of horsepower into a portable form factor as you can into a strictly 'home' console, at least not without it being prohibitively expensive, so to somehow expect 4K output from it seems kind of unrealistic. I can understand how these rumors might disappoint someone who above all is in it for the traditional home console experience though, but it would not be surprising to see Nintendo taking a risk and going in a different direction rather than just making a 'plain Jane' console. Now whether that pays off or not (it did for the Wii & 3DS, but not the Wii U) we will have to wait and see.
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Even Sega comes with a new Mega Drive-console and handheld . Or should I say old console :) They did this before.
-80 Games
-Around €60 / $65
-You can put ROMS on SD-Card
-Yes it can take some cartridges
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Only Nintendos I ever had were Gameboys, when PC Gaming and Smartphones weren't quite a thing.
Today, all you need is Emulators.
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I'm still waiting for a Wii U or 3DS emulator on PC.
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There's a couple emulators that are in development for both WiiU and 3DS: Cemu and Citra. They're in early stages of developmment, but it's a good idea to keep an eye on them
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Im just gonna cave and buy a 3ds off of ebay and a also get a flashcart
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hope those things are just random shit. I want a real console, not some shit like this.
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I can see the point to some of it. The Tegra X1 is the same chip used in the Nvidia Shield which can run some pretty decent stuff like Crysis 3 and Borderlands TPS in 1080p. And with it being already in use, should make it cheaper than having to custom make their own if it meets the performance target they are hoping to hit.
And if they are going for a portable system, cartridge is the way to go, especially when you are talking about children as mobile and discs with kids don't end up will a lot of the time. And you can get 32GB flash drives now for less than $3 online, I figure they can probably make them themselves for less than that. And can scale to over 128GB now as well with the prices coming down over time. While they won't be as cheap as blu-rays which I heard costs about $1 each to press a few years ago and probably cheaper than that now it should still be plenty and would also allow them to scale down for the smaller games or HOPEFULLY allow them to download the DLCs and/or updates directly onto the cartridge if they could along with the save files.
My big question is what price point they are aiming for. The Nvidia shield starts at $200 for the TV model and the table is about $300.
Would personally liked them to come out with their own custom PC service similar to Steam for playing games from them as I stopped playing consoles a while back and miss the Zelda series for the past few games.
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I... Don't have a TV. T_T
But if that's where the future (main) Poké games will be released, I will buy one – once it gets cheap – for sure.
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Detachable controllers has been a standard since forever it really shouldn't be something that needs pointing it out. That it is is worrying regardless of any other potential issues.
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I actually thought Nintendo had something big under their sleeve. Last Nintendo I owned was a Game Cube and I really wanted Nintendo to give me an excuse to buy another. Safe to say I'll be skipping the NX too.
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This article is all speculation from unbased sources -- Nintendo has already publicly stated the NX hardware design isn't even finalized yet. lol
Makes sense since the PS5 hasn't finalized hardware R&D yet either. Only Microsoft has announced a completed hardware R&D process for their next-gen Scorpio.
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How is the article speculation when they said multiple sources confirmed them the info?
Also, Nintendo stated that they are ready to reveal the NX but didn't want to show it at E3 in fear of competitors copying their ideas.
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"In terms of NX, there's an idea that we're working on," said "Super Mario" and "Donkey Kong" creator Shigeru Miyamoto through a Japanese translator. "That's why we can't share anything at this point, and I don't want to comment on the other companies. If it was just a matter of following advancements in technology, things would be coming out a lot quicker."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/eee6b9beb78a440eb74e54ea2bd1232a/new-vision-video-game-consoles
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What you quoted does not say they have not finalized the hardware part of the NX.
There was a shareholders meeting after E3 and went further into the NX's current state.
"Normally we would've shown the NX at E3, but we didn't," Miyamoto said, according to the translation. "We're worried about imitators if we release info too early."
http://www.polygon.com/2016/6/29/12059030/nintendo-nx-e3-no-show-virtual-reality-details
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Why are people getting all excited for this?
It is a rumor.
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Would be interesting if it's true. Nintendo is the only company I buy consoles from anymore, so if they bridge the home/portable console markets that's all the better for me.
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in a world where PC exists and consoles make less and less sense, i can definitely see the thinking behind this decisions, in the end the games will make the difference.
does the table support 4G/LTE/whatever? if not... god dammit nintendo grow up.
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Nice try, console manufacturer. I hated you when I was a kid and I still hate you.
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Nintendo will become another software developer, just like SEGA, i am sure their new console will be a disaster, just like the Wii U.
You know what was the best console they produced? The NES, or "Terminator 2" in my country.
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Many years ago I was working in a Games/Music shop and we had a rule:
When you are selling a console follow this flowchart:
Is this console for a child under 12?
Sell them Nintendo - Mobile games = Gameboy, At home = the NES
When the parent asks why tell them - 1) Games are nearly indestructible, can be wet and dried and still played.
2) Games are developed and approved by Nintendo - smaller market but ALL games are quality controlled.
Console for child 12 -14?
Sell them a Sega - Mobile = Game Gear, at home = Master System
When the parent asks why tell them - 1) Games are nearly indestructible, and can survive being thrown in rage fits.
2) more violent games than Nintendo, but still much less violent then Sony.
Console for child 14 - 17?
Sell them a Sony PlayStation
When the parent asks why tell them - 1) Huge selection of games that will satisfy them.
Console for person 18+
Try and sell them a Dreamcast - We want that shit outa here. I knew we payed too much for them.
Failing that, Send them over to Druss (Not really - we used my real name at the time) and let him sell them a PC.
When we started following this flowchart, we ended up buying 4 more stores, I got a large payout then left and started my own business.
I spoke to my old boss a few weeks ago actually - the guy that they got to replace me wanted to go a different way. They folded last year.
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You were selling the NES and Master System at the same time you were selling Dreamcasts and Playstations? Must have been hanging on to those old systems for a while.
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In 90th in CIS you could buy all sorts of consoles in one gaming store.
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We'd buy them second hand for $5 - $30, sell the customer a newer system, recondition the older ones and sell them for $60 - $80.
It may seem.. a little unscrupulous but we were a 2nd hand Gaming/CD store, and the video game section when I first started was an NES, an N64 and about a dozen games.
I was hired on as a customer service assistant, then after selling them all in my first hour the manager asked me what I'd do to expand.
I told him straight out that nostalgia prices were going to hit the roof soon so we'd better stock up - he listened and gave me free reign with $1000 to start with and full control over the gaming section. I could buy what I wanted and sell it at whatever price, but I wasn't allowed to ask for more money.
Within 2 months I was turning over more in my section than the CD/Music side. A guy from Head office came down and wanted to see why we were leading the profit margins after only being mediocre for so long.
He watched me for a day then offered me my own franchise store in Sydney (Bondi Branch). I refused because I was engaged at the time and felt I owed the manager my loyalty.
I kept going for about 6 months then received a massive bonus from the guy that owned the franchises and left to start my own business.
I got that up and running got married and then sold it after getting offered a government job.
Wish I never did though lol - I had more money and way more fun in those jobs then working for the government. :(
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Digital games are becoming increasingly common and nintendo thinks about " cartridge ". I don't think so.
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Cartridges are actually way better for this console than discs would be. Read up on it, it's actually pretty interesting.
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Yes, but you are also thinking like a PC gamer. Physical mediums are still the predominant way that the majority of console owners get their games. Rest assured that digital downloads will be available as well. In my opinion, the big thing with Nintendo is that they need to update their entire digital distribution platform and account management system to be more like Steam.
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In general, I like that Nintendo is trying directions nobody else does. I don't much care for consoles when they're just underpowered PC's, they need to have something extra to make it worthwhile getting them. Nintendo at least tries, even if it doesn't always succeed.
In this case, Nintendo is taking a direction that's interesting to me. I like playing on mobile, and I do feel that the limited storage is an issue, so cartridges are an okay solution (although I would have wanted general SD card support). Also the mobile-desktop conversion is something I feel is the 'wave of the future'.
For processing power, the Tegra X1 should be fine.
I think it will all hinge on price, and my guess is that it will be high, which will be an issue. I hope I'm wrong.
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Indeed, there is market for a hybrid console (something you can play at home, but also easily carry around), the concept has potential, but the price has to be very competitive and overall performance not limited by batteries/portable play. Otherwise one could simply buy a WiiU and a 3DS (very cheap nowadays, I got a new WiiU for €120 and a new 3DS for about the same price, about a year ago). It has to be under €200.
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How did you get a Wii U for €120? Would have bought one for sure for that price.
Still, the NX will be way way faster than a 3DS. I think that mobile play will not be an issue, at most it will run at a lower resolution to conserve power.
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Found a deal at a local store, must admit it was very good (probably warehouse clearance or something, it was the 32bit Premium edition but no bundled game), on average I see sales for 180-200€.
But the point is they cannot and should not compete directly with PS4/X1 and anything above €200 will be seen as "I can get a PS4 for that price" (€300 on Amazon Prime Day for the PS4, €260 for the X1, they will probably get even lower when NX is out)
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Started to write a response arguing certain points, but realised that I agree with you about the price point, so reasoning doesn't matter that much.
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I've seen many people saying that the NX will be cheaper than most people expect. One article I read says it's going to be cheaper than current gen consoles. That's not confirmed, but I think Nintendo learned how to do pricing after the launch of the 3DS ($250) and Wii U ($350).
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Hopefully. If it sells for $150 or so then I think it will find success. Technically it's possible, if NVIDIA is selling the Tegra for cheap, since that would be the more expensive component. Nintendo can make do with a 720p display and skim on internal storage thanks to use of cartridges.
A low price is also consistent with the design, which looks minimal. Still, I'd be surprised. $250 sounds more likely to me. Even the 2DS, a rather simple piece of plastic with old tech, started at $130. What I do find likely is that Nintendo wants something it can reduce in price more easily over time, which it apparently couldn't do with the Wii U.
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I think the least it'll be is $200, but it'll probably be $250. At either of those prices it should hopefully get a lot of people to buy it.
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I think so, but the lower the price, the more people will buy it. And of course it depends on the exact specs, how much that cost would feel justified.
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It seems like a lot of people are posting very uneducated opinions on here. I've been following NX rumors since the NX was announced. I've watched dozens of videos about the NX. This rumor right here is the best I've heard. The cartridges are a great idea since it will keep the console cheap. The NX looks very promising. Companies like EA, Ubisoft, Take Two Interactive, and CD Projekt Red are interested in the NX saying it will be amazing. The power level seems to be low, but with those big companies supporting the NX already, I think third party support will be good.
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Thanks for the post. Made me check out the dev's opinions, and it does look that people are excited, which makes me excited in turn. :)
Also, the mention of Just Dance for it makes me think that the controllers might be Wii-like (have an accelerometer), which would be cool.
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If it is backwards compatible it would be a must buy for me, last Nintendo console I got was the Wii, i would love to play the games I missed out on.
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Won't be. No optical disc. (Etc., etc.)
But I'm guessing some old games will get versions for the NX.
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Unless there is some adapter, Zelda looks like a console seller on it's own, if I ever get the spare cash I'll consider it.
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