Do you hate people's who judge others for downloading torrents?
I don't torrent games anymore because I barely have the time to play all the ones I HAVE but I used to, I'd torrent a new one every few days, play it enough to get an idea of whether I like it enough to buy it, then delete it...regardless of whether I'm gonna buy it or not...because once I know either way I'm good, I don't feel a need to finish a game just because it's there...and I gotta say, it resulted in me buying more games than I probably would have otherwise
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IMO it's fine as long as if you like the game, then you buy it. Lets say there was Grand Theft Auto V; it's as expensive game so I would pirate it; then if I don't like it I leave it; and if I like it I buy it on Steam
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Hate is strong emotion, and I wouldn't use it to describe something as trivial as piracy. However, it is immoral, and those who do pirate shouldn't hide behind false arguments. Regarding the "try before you buy" argument: You can do your own damn research on games - you can expect certain things out of Activision and certain things out of Blizzard that should indicate whether or not the game is worthwhile. It's the same with anything else. Otherwise, you can read reviews or watch gameplay videos. Regarding the "copy" argument: It is "just" a copy, but pretty much every product in the world doesn't only involve materials. There's labor and such. The only real defense for that is "I wouldn't buy it anyways", but if you wouldn't buy it and don't buy it, that doesn't magically make it moral to pirate it. The "I don't have enough money" argument can be pretty much disregarded because the same applies to all other forms of theft. There are costs to make the game that have to be paid, and the game is made to make money. If you don't have money, you don't have the right to play the game - it's simple.
Anyways, to pirate without lying to yourself with some deluded argument, you have to not particularly care about a code of morals and not particularly care or respect the developers/publishers/everyone else involved in the process of that specific game, because all those people depend on one thing to continue - money. That's only if you bother to think about things very deeply though. What piracy comes down to is simple emotion - "I want to play that game and don't want to pay, so I'll pirate it". You can always ignore other people and/or the moral implications of your actions.
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Depends. If the product (the game) is good then you should buy it - even only on a sale, it counts a lot for the corporation - maybe the sequel depends on your purchase!
On the other hand if you don't really have money or the means to buy game, I think it's acceptable. BUT:
-No bragging about the "pirate life". If you're broke, cheap or whatever - don't try to act it cool, as it's illegal. I don't mind if you torrent as long as you don't swing it into everyone's face.
One absolutely legit reason to torrent in my opinion: to "demo" a game. I absolutely understand if you don't want to spend 20-40$ on a game you're not even sure you'll like it because - for example - the screenshots and ingame footage is really scarce on the internet. But if you do so, man up, and buy it if you liked it, and if you don't, then uninstall and move on.
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I never "hate", but I DO highly disapprove of pirating in any way.
Say what you may, pirating IS stealing, even if you're just "borrowing" it until you know if you want to buy it.
Yes, gaming companies are scum. Yes, they don't deserve any better. But my point still stands that pirating is stealing.
The same goes with music, movies and any other medias, really. It's digital goods, and pretty much similar to physical goods. :P
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Dl-ng some stuff atm via torrent so, no. ( ͡͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡ °)
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No. Why should it be a problem? I rarely download games, usually only to see how it runs on my PC before buying, with some exceptions. But i'm not a CEO, or a politician or a lawyer etc. so i can't afford to buy everything else and some things are not even available here.
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People want to feel good about themselves, so they want to find someone who is (as they think) worse than them. It goes like this: "Yeah, I lie a lot, drink without measure, cheat on my wife from time to time, yell at my children, avoid taxes, break minor laws when nobody sees... but pirating? No, I didn't fall as low".
Or like this: "I live in a first-world country, have a job, own a car, travel abroad on vacation, plan to buy a house and I always pay for my games. How dare these Indians, Chinese, Africans and other third-world folk play the same games I do? They should only play f2p or buy a game once-twice in a lifetime and benefit our mighty economy".
Judge not, that ye be not judged - that's my point.
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One thing that had been gaining popularity among uploaders and "cracker" groups was the simple phrase.
"If you like this game, Support the developers and buy it!"
Beyond that, its perfectly true that some games are simply NOT worth their cost, and most have no kind of "legit" demo version to try the game for free. In that case the only thing you have to go by would be online reviews, you might have enough money for only one game and looking for one you'll truly enjoy for its re-playability or just sheer length of play time.
It was covered back in 2012 by a Dutch Security Institution (http://www.nu.nl/internet/2935673/downloaden-neemt-niet-af-ondanks-bestrijding.html) that "file-sharers" are MORE likely to pay for content that they download through otherwise questionable methods, and even that those who download music are 30% more likely to purchase music in the end then their non-sharing counterparts.
The reason I said "had been" initially is simply because I don't know if it's still the case, with the Music Industry in-particular putting pressure to take down torrent websites (gaming companies had shown SUPPORT for torrents in the past, stupid music industry. Hollywood is just as bad too.) and the fact they finally succeeded with The Pirate Bay at the end of last year, "safe sharing" is much harder to find now. Plenty of good sites still if you know where to look and your ISP doesn't cave in to government pressure - Though you can still get by some ISP blocks by using httpsecure (https://)
The extension [https Everywhere] is useful for that, and available on most browsers.
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Aye. Well, it's supposedly back online now but there's some... questionable talk going around about it.
Taken Down: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/dec/10/swedish-police-raid-pirate-bay
Questionable Talk: http://anonhq.com/anonymous-says-pirate-bay-new-domain-old-domain-compromised/
"Supposedly" because it hasn't worked for over a week (to search for anything, on old domain) and there are news articles about it having trouble staying online back in February a bit after it came up again.
Not to mention internal arguments amongst the site staff, splitting off to supr again, "new" domain(S!) don't even load, period. etc. etc.
And that's when they're supposed to be using the cloud network for security purposes, so it isn't hosted in any one particular location.
Kinda funny in a way. Lol. It's primary the US who's leading the whole "anti-piracy" crackdown and getting other countries to jump on the wagon. Yet don't they, among others, claim to be a democratic country? Isn't blocking access to something a violation of consumer rights? Might as well just charge an extra few bucks for "no censor" internet, give those extra bits to the music industry. They'd make far more money that way then they ever will with the so-called music of today.
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Hmm. Can you elaborate the connection between piracy and democracy?
Democracy is not defined as "do what you will" but "do what you will without disrupting other people". If there is a site about child pornography, what do you think about it? Should it be allowed to continue? Or sites that are offering "gun-for-hire" services?
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The US is the place where the MPAA and other lobbyist groups steamroll over consumer rights in the name of corporate greed.
For example, the ability to resell your purchases is a legal right, but they get around that with all the "this software is licensed, not sold" BS in the EULA. Ownership of digital content in general is pretty much dead. Valve could ban your account tomorrow and you'd have no legal recourse.
Not only is a pirated copy cheaper (ok free), it's generally better in every other way as well. There's no worrying about region locks (which as far as I'm concerned should be illegal), nothing forcing you to connect to the internet, no worry of a game being removed from your inventory, etc.
Democracy doesn't mean "do what you will without disrupting other people." In the US, it means "mega corporations do whatever they want and there's nothing you can do about it."
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To be honest, you can't really blame US government, after all US adopts liberal economy, where, as you stated "the rich will own the poor". This is not the fault of the nation-state, but the fault of the economic model itself. Should you need the government to interfere in more matters in economy, US should change its free-market system. It is not only in the US that mega corporation control everything. It's in fact, how our world run. More than 80% of US GDP came from few companies in Wall Street. We are not talking about how much their director is paid, but that is the way of the big business, they have such sheer income that small number of them could dominate the whole regional or worldwide market. If for example, at tomorrow all Fortune 500 companies suddenly goes bankrupt, I guess the world will go into an economic turmoil, as so much money is gone.
Regarding EULA, there is nothing the government could do, because lawfully you are agreeing to a set of rules that a company provide. You don't have to sign it, you don't have to agree with it. When you sign EULA, you are signing an agreement between you and for example, Valve, and the government should not interfere in "business relationship" between a customer and a company. While US government sometimes does interfere in the market (for example : to make sure there is no monopoly) the government in most Western nations are acting only as regulator, and would only interfere if the impact will affect basic necessities of a lot of people.
Again, you can't blame the government for legal loopholes. Blame Valve for that, not the government. This is similar with establishment of tax evasion strategies. Could the government put a stop on it? Yes, they can, but sometimes either it is not viable, or sometimes business will leave because of too much government interference. The basis of American economy is liberal economy, which minimizes government interference and let the free market choose. In fact, studies on economic has shown that less government interference produces superior competency.
So, on liberal market, you can't hope the government to change. The big business derives power from you. You are the one that is feeding the monster, the one who is making the monster stronger. If you don't like the big business policies, switch product. Maybe you won't make a dent. But a million doing that will make a dent.
Lastly, about piracy. Yes, piracy is "superior product" due to not having to worry about this and that. Is that justification for piracy? No.
Even before these region locks happened, piracy is already there.
Even before Steam existed, piracy is already there.
Piracy did not happen because of the need of the people to have superior goods, it happens because greed is the nature of human.
One more thing. Region locks. Economically it is done to boost sales on Russian/Asian regions, where they have lower income than US. Essentially Steam is trying to give cheaper games for people who have lower purchasing power, to combat piracy. While a good game in US costs $50 for example, for an average median salary of $ 26k. On the other hand, average median salary in Indonesia is $ 2.7k. That means that US have 10 times the purchasing price of Indonesians, thus in economic point of view it is better to offer Indonesians a cheaper price, than let Indonesians go pirating.
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I think piracy is more than ok. It's a good way to prevent developers from making shitty games and overpricing them. If you pirate a game and play it and you eventually don't like it, it's perfectly ok not to buy it. It's also ok to pirate an AAA title that is way too expensive for you. It's also ok to pirate a title if you think it's overpriced, or you don't like the way the company works (Ubilol). And of course, it's ok to first try the game and then buy it if you like it.
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in fact their games would be even more expensive if there wasn't piracy. khm consoles khm
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I pirated stuff when I was younger. When I got a job, I stopped? Of course not. I still pirated games to see if they're worth my money. I don't trust youtubers making cumming noises over games in their reviews. I need to play the game. I like it, and I buy it. I don't like it = delete and be thankful that piracy saved me from giving my money to people that don't deserve it.
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While I personally own every single game I play NOW. That was not always the case and if it wasn't for sites such as this and the tremor website. I personally would STILL be torrenting everything.
Hell, even in the old days when I played Warcraft, I still racked up over 6 months on WoWscape before I ever took the plunge into retail (Then WotLK ran me and everyone i know off it again.
Before, I would pirate any game I wanted to try, then I would delete the ones I wanted and then buy the games I thought was worth it. When I was a kid and truly broke, I just downloaded everything because I couldn't afford anything.
So no, I would not judge anyone for doing stuff like that as I have done that as well. Now those who download everything while sitting on mountains of cash and never pay for anything, now that I would have issues with but still not enough to truly judge them,
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Torrents =/= piracy. Strictly speaking.
I LIKE torrents. Or more specifically, I like the clients. The ability to throttle and pause downloads is something is something I really need with my connection. Especially in the days of 25+ GB games.
That said Steam has a decent download manager built it.
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I only pirate games to try them out. Its hard for me to get a feel for a game from a review (what is broken and unplayable for one person may or may not be a deal breaker for me and so on). or from a video (they may not focus on parts of the game I want to know about, or they spoil things, etc...). Its also rare enough for a dev to release a demo anymore, or to not over-hype their game (Watch Dogs lol). So until then, Im going to download the game, especially if it isnt my usual genre, and give it an hour or two to see how it plays before I buy it or pass on it.
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Why is teaching people considered piracy?
The Earth is not a cube. ~there! it's out there, now anyone can say it... same with 01010101010101010101010, now anyone can use this info. (ps. i cut down the gigs of 0's and 1's to a sample size or course, ha)
Its just information, and tools to help us 'remeber' said information, and to send said information.
In fact, I'm starting to get irked by publishers/devs treating their customers like criminals, and bloating their software with drm and other annoyances like always online, required clients (uplay/origin/steam/etc.), and login (square/enix/etc.).
Some of these devs/publishers no longer deserve my money, so I don't buy said games. (nor do I pirate them, I got too many other GREAT games to play instead.)
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It's not just information, it's the work of developers who are doing this a a job to put food on their table and a roof over their head. If you don't pay for it, it is piracy. How would you like if you worked 40 hours/week and when the time comes to get paid your boss just say "thanks for the work, but now that it's done I don't see why I would pay you".
I agree with the last par though. The annoying DRM schemes have made me completely avoid multiple games because I do not want anything to do with them.
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I wouldn't expect a customer to directly pay someones paycheck :P
Also, until we can sell what we own second hand (the license), I say, more power to the non-payers (I don't pirate, I'm just saying, in the long run or life of the universe, it is just 'info' pure and simple)
I also view censorship and region locking as negative to humanity.
Hell will freeze over before steam relinquishes and sort of control. (soon zero trading, I can clearly see it)
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I wouldn't expect a customer to directly pay someones paycheck :P
Unless you're self-employed, like many of the smaller indie devs. ;) But if your employer doesn't get paid, sooner or later your job will be in jeopardy.
There's a lot of things that could be done differently and I don't condemn too hard the people pirating games since I used to be a part of that group myself. I just don't agree with the "it's there anyway so I might as well take it" mentality.
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I also agree 100% with that statement. Just cause you can, doesn't mean you should.
Show some self restraint people. And people should get paid for their work.
I'm not apposed to the 'its not for sale in any store, and my last option is to download it without paying' mentality'.
Hey, I got a response, I usually go unnoticed. **ninjastyle
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Well, I've done it like 3 times to test if the game runs on my craptop. I bought 2 of them, even if the second one didn't run well on my craptop. I even bought it more than one time (Bought Skyrim, then got Hearthfire DLC from a friend and then bought the Legendary Edition). I don't judge people who pirate a game to try if it runs on their PC, but I don't like people who pirate a game just because they can. They might love the game, but they still pirate it. I'll probably buy the 3rd game too (Played like 15 mins of it) but it's still really overpriced. I also don't like people who pirate a game because the developer doesn't deserve their money. It's the worst excuse I've ever heard. You might not like Bugisoft and Electronic Farts but after all it's the game that really matters. Just turn a blind eye to the company and focus on the game. And yes, I also don't like people who pirate a game because it's not available on Steam or their region. Play it using the other DRM or trade to get that game.
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Well.. I can't answer the poll because what you post about and what you ask are different things.
If someone told me I'm a pirate or somehow worse person because I download torrents then I get a good laugh out of it.
Hosting or downloading torrent files has never been illegal as far as I know.
Many popular MMOs use P2P protocol and torrent files for patches. Many linux distros are shared using P2P.
Less bandwidth used by original distributor and more people can download at once.
I would ask that person if they play WoW and if they have P2P eabled for patching. Yes? Oh noes! You're pirate! Haha.
Downloading/using torrent files is not piracy. Downloading software or any media through P2P using torrent files without having a license for that media is piracy.
Driving a car in a way that kills someone is bad thing. That doesn't mean cars are illegal.
As far as piracy goes.. I don't give a **** how you get your games.
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So first things first, I love playing with any kind of games and I buy most of the games that I really like (for their stories, etc.), but I also downloading games too, that I can't afford ATM or what I just want to try out.
Is it really that big problem to hate and judge someone for this?
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