More and more people seem to request deletion for GAs which were the key ended up being invalid. For region restrictions I understand that it makes sense, since the contributor can create a new GA with the proper rules.

It should be well known to most users by now that the GA creators cannot establish rules regarding "mandatory agreement for deletion".

I've asked some high level contributors who state they will (kindly) ask for deletion on their GAs if the key ends up being invalid, over the past few months.
Apart from the "having a nice public profile" argument, I've been hearing the "I can't afford a ban" argument as well.

Found some relevant old threads on this:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Nm5bs/what-does-not-received-affect-you
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/Pwu4f/how-many-not-received-gets-you-banned

I would think that the moderation team is not going to take such extreme measures as banning high level contributors in this context.

Have you seen any cases where this has happened?
Would you guess there's a threshold that, when surpassed, can get you in a "danger zone" no matter your level?

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Fake giveaway rule from my feeling only seems to apply to high-profile public giveaways... So think of the most popular AAA games of the moment. And newish users making giveaways for those...

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Yeah, as soon as GTAV pops up, I just assume it's a scam. Never quite understand the intent of the giver.

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Only 274 deleted... Not that many...

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I think this is the kind of situation where it would be handled on a case-by-case basis - if I remember correctly, suspensions are based on the notion that a user is intentionally creating "fake" or misleading giveaways. In the case of creating a giveaway when you aren't 100% sure they key works, technically you're creating a giveaway which you were initially aware may be effectively "fake" since you cannot deliver the gift being offered.

In terms of giveaway deletion, I think that the general reason people prefer an agreement to deletion is because it won't leave a "bad" mark on your profile, but I'm not sure if receiving many "not received" can result in a ban unless there is suspicion of malicious intent. The more likely outcome would be to gradually run out of giveaway slots due to creating failed giveaways.

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Sounds reasonable.

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I think a proportion system rather than a total number would make sense. Like if someone has 40 not receiveds but has hundreds of giveaways that's very different to 40 on someone that's done 60.

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Have you seen any cases where this has happened?
Would you guess there's a threshold that, when surpassed, can get you in a "danger zone" no matter your level?

Only if someone create GA(s) without the intention from delivering it OR if he decide "this winner isn't worth to get my game" and don't deliver the key/gift, will something happen from the mods side.
And for both you need evidences, which are hard to get/bring up.

So in nearly all cases happen exactly nothing, besides the "X GAs not send" mark in the user profile stats.

I seen a user with 32 "not delivered" marks with only 120 GAs made. My report dn't lead to a suspension.
My reports for "notorious" GA deleters, when they don't liked the winner (of course they don't wrote this and came up with excuses about the key) brought only positive results when they done for the same game then again a GA, without to change something (like the region restrictions).
In the end, only when someone done it really stupid he got punished.

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Thanks for the comment, I would think the same.
Just wondered if all those people I asked, have any basis for their fear of a ban, since all of them were legit high level contributors.

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when they done for the same game then again a GA, without to change something (like the region restrictions

And even that is hard to prove because they could just have several keys for the same game.

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People that do such stuff, don't do it only 1 time, so at some point it is so obvious that they recieve a punishment.

If i remember correct, got 5+, all high level, users perma suspended because of my tickets because of such stuff.

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At this point, Masa, you really should get your own theme music for all the policing work you do around here ;)

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At this point, Masa, you really should get your own theme music for all the policing work you do around here ;)

"At this point, Masa, you really should get your own theme music for all the policing work you done around here ;)"

I needed to correct this because i mostly stopped 2 years+ ago with the reports.
Only in the last few months, with more time in front of the PC because of serious health issues that don't allowed much moving and more pain (= let's call it a bit easier to bring out of the relaxed mood^^), i done reports (maybe 50?).
The health gets, slowly, better but i still write from time to time a report if i see something obvious (multiaccounters are often very greedy and dumb people at the same time) but only because of the bunch of new mods that, at least, handle a part of the tickets in a acceptable timeframe (but there are still 5 year+ user reports from me unhandled...).

In short: Nowadays other people do much more as i and this is good from my point of view because my backlog thank me each day.
I have more games played and mostly completed with 100% achievements in the last 6 months as 3 years together before https://completionist.me/steam/profile/76561198161444756 :o)

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Well, I certainly get scaling back, especially with the pace things move. You take care of you first, and I hope you get better.

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I imagine having giveaways marked as not received is a quick way to find oneself in a bunch of blacklists, so it makes sense that people will try to avoid that as much as possible. Then again I try to exclusively use group giveaways for keys that have a chance of not working for whatever reason, even if I've only had to actually ask for deletion a few times (I counted and it's a total of 7 over a decade+ of using this site) it gives me some peace of mind that those entering have already implicitly agreed to the deletion if it's needed, although in reality they could refuse and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

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I imagine having giveaways marked as not received is a quick way to find oneself in a bunch of blacklists, so it makes sense that people will try to avoid that as much as possible

Fair enough but none of the contributors I've asked presented this argument.
Leveraging group GAs for potentially bad keys, when one wants to keep a clean ratio, is a great idea, IMO.

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It's basically what groups like "Bundle Oldies", "Delete giveaway if key isn't working", and "Lootboy SG" were made for.

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I have received blacklists for a not received. I know because they told me.

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So, if you had asked for deletion instead, they would still blacklist you, no?

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The blacklist was from a third party (not the winner nor an entrant).
If I had gotten the GA deleted, I would not have been blacklisted.

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Wow. I see, everyone likes to go their own way.

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Friendly people accept a deletion, if it is visible that the gifter don't started with a bad intension.
But the a$$holes will not accept it, whatever the group rules are.

In my group it isn't listed as rule like "you must accept a deletion" but because it is/should be normal human behavior we had only one case, in all the years, where a member don't accepted the deletion (and got blacklisted for this from the gifter and a few other ones...).

As example my 2 "not delivered" stats came because one, low level, winner in one of my, public, cakeday threads not reacted on my question if he would allow the deletion of a GA were the key wasn't ok (if i believe his words). I wanted to offer him a other small game as replacement but he never reacted on 2 messages from me and marked it as not recieved after 7 days.
The second one gave me a winner that told me, after 4 days, the first key isn't ok. I replaced the key a few minutes later and wrote him that he can test the next key, he done this and wrote me again 4 days later. I replaced it with a third key and he wrote me, again, after 4 days that the key wasn't ok and that he don't want to try more keys (i still had 4). Nearly all other keys from games that i had from the same source and gave away at the same time were ok, so it isn't 100% sure that all 3 keys weren't ok but if so, i would had be able to replace the key 4x more, so the chance for a working one was nearly 100%. And that this user needed always 4 days to test the next key and to write me, i replaced each key only minutes after his messages, let me extreme strongly assume that he was a multiaccounter.
The marks frustrate me because i had still keys for the second and got a bad cakeday "present" from the first (i don't do cakeday threads and GAs anymore as result from all the negative stuff that i had each year with the majority of the winners) but i learned to ignore it and don't care anymore if there is a 0, a 2 or a 30.

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That second anecdote of yours is pretty much a nightmare scenarios because there's no recourse possible, the winner is actively sabotaging the situation instead of trying to help get it sorted out.
So far I've always been confident when I have a spare key to replace the one in the giveaway if something goes wrong, but now I guess I unlocked a new fear.

But yeah, I still feel awful whenever I have to ask the winner to agree to a giveaway deletion because finding a replacement key is just not an option at that time. At least twice that happened to me because of wonky region restrictions, I learned to not trust Humble when it comes to that stuff the hard way, in my experience only steam-db has accurate info on that.

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man i was atleast lucky enough that i could prove that the guy thast marked not received tried to use my key in a giveaway after activating it on his account lol ... and i also managed to get suspended once because of my stupidity. i marked some games as private to hide it in the steam family, logged on steamgifts and got suprised by a permanent ban. to my luck one of the giveaways marked as not received was a mistake so barely enough to not get perma here. so all games away from private and back here in this comment section

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I have 17 giveaways that ended as "not received" and I don't recall even getting a warning. That's ~1.7% of my giveaways, so I assume the threshold for an actual punishment would be well above that.

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Thanks for the input!

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I don't think they'll get banned if it's them genuinely ending up with a key that doesn't work. It's people who make deliberate fake GAs that get banned.

I think it's a stigma thing. People can be really mean if you end up with a "not received" or two on your profile. I've seen people say that they blacklist for stuff like this and it's extremely petty. But that's the way of things unfortunately.

Like, most people are not out to make fake giveaways and the key not working is 99% a genuine situation. I would never expect a giveaway creator to buy me a key if the key was invalid. If they want to replace the key, that's fine. But if they say "I don't have another key, can we delete?" I'll say yes. You don't know that person's financial situation and it doesn't hurt to show a little kindness.

Otherwise, it would be like saying "if you can't afford to buy replacements, don't make GAs here." I don't want anyone to have a mark on their profile if I can help it. Not unless they were breaking rules. I believe that the one guy that I gave a "not received" to is banned because he made GAs for wrong games intentionally to gain more CV.

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If they want to replace the key, that's fine. But if they say "I don't have another key, can we delete?" I'll say yes. You don't know that person's financial situation and it doesn't hurt to show a little kindness.

In this context, why is it not kind to just mark as not received and move on, which is how the site has always worked?
I get that it's considered a stigma or whatever one may feel like for some contributors, but why should we bash/criticise a winner if they have a different opinion on how invalid keys should be handled?

Otherwise, it would be like saying "if you can't afford to buy replacements, don't make GAs here." I don't want anyone to have a mark on their profile if I can help it.

In the end that's what it boils down to, I guess. I wouldn't phrase it like that though, since it makes the winner look like they have ill will.
If you can't afford a replacement, then you just have to live with the non-received marks. There are groups where one can join to have members always accept GA deletion.

Solutions exist, it's up to each side be kind enough when resolving such situations. And accepting the other side's opinion when it's different! If one does not accept deletion, it doesn't imply they want/like to be mean.

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No one is obliged to give anything to anyone here and CV is worth absolutely nothing, in the long run. Thankfully, I have not yet run into such people who are like "okay, if a key isn't provided, I'm marking as not received" . The few times it happened to me, I have managed to get a replacement, or maybe had one from another bundle. I don't give away keys if I think there is a chance they won't work. Once I could not get a replacement and the winner said I could delete, and now he's on my whitelist. If someone gave a not received, they're going on my blacklist. I'm sorry, but that's my own personal opinion on it too, and it should also be respected.

Oh, and one time, I gave away the wrong key. I made two giveaways for a HOG game and swapped the keys without realising. The winners activated and they were wrong, so while I had a second key for one of them, I didn't for the other. The one guy let me delete that second GA because he did get a key for a game in the same series of HOGs that he didn't already own. Like it was the most honest and stupid mistake someone could make.

We are also relying on the honesty of the winner not to trade the key and pretend it didn't work for them, then expect a replacement.

The site runs on honesty and kindness.

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I'm sorry, but that's my own personal opinion on it too, and it should also be respected.

Absolutely. That's my point. I respect that and accept that you'll blacklist me if I do not accept the deletion and you cannot replace the key, no judgment at all. But it must go both ways, also having to respect someone that believes it's better to mark as not received, for their own reasons. It doesn't have to do with kindness, people can be kind or mean in any case.

Oh, and one time, I gave away the wrong key. I made two giveaways for a HOG game and swapped the keys without realising. The winners activated and they were wrong, so while I had a second key for one of them, I didn't for the other. The one guy let me delete that second GA because he did get a key for a game in the same series of HOGs that he didn't already own. Like it was the most honest and stupid mistake someone could make.

Kind of an edge case here, I think the mods should accept a deletion without winner confirmation in such cases, since they can confirm that you'll recreate the GAs correctly.

The site runs on honesty and kindness.

I hear you, but again, one can be kind and still not accept deletion after ensuring that a replacement key cannot be found.
In the same manner that some contributors can be mean by demanding that the GA will be deleted. Goes both ways. :)

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Kind of an edge case here, I think the mods should accept a deletion without winner confirmation in such cases, since they can confirm that you'll recreate the GAs correctly.

How? The winners activated the keys. I wouldn't be recreating GAs in that case, just providing the correct key, if I have one, which I did for one of them. The other agreed to deletion.

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Ah sorry, missed that part.
Then it comes to whether they liked the other game AND being kind enough to accept that they got a gift after all.
Since they got a key for free, I agree they should have in any case accepted for deletion, it's not like you did not provide the key at all.

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There are groups where one can join to have members always accept GA deletion.

That the members of, whatever, group ALWAYS accept a deletion is wrong.
None can enforce this if a member don't accept the deletion.
The only thing a group can do then is to kick the member that it don't happen a second time (with the same member).

I seen a good bunch of cases of not accepting in groups that were made specifically for keys that aren't 100% sure ones.

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Indeed, I wrote my comment with this in mind:

The only thing a group can do then is to kick the member that it don't happen a second time (with the same member).

So the offenders will get "free lunch" only once, at worst!

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