Feedback should be pernament ?
I'm pretty sure I saw the other users post on this topic...
If its the one I am thinking of, I read through the entire exchange carefully and can understand both sides.
If its the one I am thinking of, removing the negative feedback was the correct thing to do. As a native English speaker the meaning was obvious to me, but if English isn't your primary language I can see how things could be misunderstood.
Going so far as to suspend you seemed like overkill, but could simply be part of the sites policies.
I apologize if I am thinking of the wrong other thread. If I am thinking of the correct thread though, I am more than willing to help you understand why you weren't being scammed and why it was a misunderstanding.
EDIT: It looks like I am thinking of the correct discussion.
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Sadly suspending him isn't overkill. He misused the feedback system because he can't control his own ego.
The other guy also got suspended for 2 or 3 days, that is what i would consider overkill. Given that he clearly wasn't the best with English (which is what originated the drama), OP is a baby and got neglected from a cheap offer which was written in poor english. This led to OP posting negative feedback for being neglected a trade and calling the other user as a key thief.
The other guy probably stopped caring about this, while this guy returns here with the same old drama, requesting for another suspension while posting his flawed logic.
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The other guy also got suspended for
2 or3 days, that is what i would consider overkill
That's ain't overkill, either. He called Konrad out, so according to the rule, 3-day suspension. But, yeah, if I were a mod, I would have permaban Konrad instead.
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He called out but fixed the situation, people warned him not to call out others. He made a topic calling out, locked it and made a new one fixing the problem from what i remember.
He probably got suspended because konrad got involved in same topic, which caused drama to happen. Don't think the other guy called out konrad, since he edited the images and reuploaded them. Unless the old locked topic is the reason why he got suspended, i don't see much of a reason for him getting suspended for 3 days.
Anyways stuff happens, konrad needs to use some brain once in a while otherwise this is going nowhere untill he gets a permanent "suspended" on his profile.
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Well, everyone should have one by default. There are many reasons for people not using their brains i suspect, some people have yet to discover the use of a brain and some others forget to use them by default, for example.
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lololololololololol - this is sooooooooooo good, no it's brilliant!!!! WL 4 U
keeps eating popcorn, but more carefully, I nearly spat it all on my keyboard :D
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Yeah, you're most likely thinking of the correct discussion. Konrads has a history of disruptive behaviour though, and a lot of it has nothing to do with any language barriers, he just keeps doing things like this. So I feel that with Konrads history on these forums, the suspension was warranted (though personally I think he should have been banned a long time ago).
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I heard "these girsl are in love, so I won't allow them to do any lab work on their classes. They'd fuck it up most probably as they can't focus on anything" from one of the codtors today xD
Tho I don't know if they are in love with one another, or with 2 random guys. Damn it. I want to know it :D
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Nah, they're streamers, at least one of them. I know the girl on the right from a csgo pro stream. The other most likely is a streamer as well.
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I love your current thread and recent posts.
Not sarcastic here or anything. You're a source of amusement and I am grateful for that.
As for as trading is concerned, you can avoid all these issues by following the trade steps:
- Offer untill there's a proposed deal
- Add on Steam
- Say hello
- Confirm the trade without chitchat so everything is clear
- Perform trade.
Adding step 4 costs barely any time...you can even combine it with the Hello.
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YOU LOSE SIR(insert willy wonka pic here) you leaked a link which is against the rules. Is Konrad the Gordon Gecko guy? You really have to be carefull on trades all burdens are on you and like others have said many times confirm the deets before you send any key
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i dont undestrand, even google tlanslator can't help me.
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Is Konrad the Gordon Gecko guy?
That was someone else. ;)
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Oh its you again, did you learn to trade in your SG's VACation?
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I donno about feedback being perm, but your suspension should of been. lol
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Well, I'm not against deleting negative comments/feedback when it's proven that it's a revenge one or a misuse of it.
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I come home from work to see this shitpost (-_-)
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I really have to wonder about the (currently) 29% of people voting "yes" in this. Do they misunderstand what konrads is proposing? Namely, that support (and maybe even the feedback giver) should not be able to remove negative trade feedback found to have been given in error, malice, or misunderstanding- a ridiculous and unfair idea. Or maybe they're just trolling...
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You've won SG, congrats :D
Mark as received ASAP, please ;)
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damn - now I want you to make 100 multiaccounts so I can whitelist each and every one of them! :D:
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For a moment, I wondered why you weren't on my whitelist.
Then I realized, you are. :3
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This is awesome, I nearly left the post, now I'm so glad I didn't.
Thanks for a good laugh. Won't add you to WL since you're already on it ;)
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Ah, you made me laugh! Awesome stuff, as always.
I hope I inspired you making that gif :D
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i didn't, but i got suspension for allegedly that. no one have evidences so your suspension for me is very stupid.
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I am surprise no 1 has troll negative feedback you yet to let you close this useless thread.
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Trusted Trader don't give fake negative rep because the weren't able to understand something.
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it wasn;t fake. i was during trade. its too hard to understand for your ?
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I saw the screenshots regarding to it. So i know what was and what not. In short you couldn't understand and gave fake rep as i wrote before.
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Comments couldn't be permament - that would be abused very easily and that would be bad extremely bad.
Although, I am EXTREMELY surprised how fast did he get response form Support... I've been waiting for over a year regarding one of my negative comments (and I should still report one more but everytime I think about it I get depressed). That;s making me sad :(
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Perhaps I should add a comment from time to time there so it got bumped? No idea... MAybe I will try this since those negative reps make me sad.
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Thanks, I wanted to see how the blacklist works. You're now on it.
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Beware... clicking this image below you will see a negative statement....
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Yes this site supports scammers, it always has, thats why you arent allowed to warn people about scammers. The mods will treat you harsher than they will the scammer if you do, every time.
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Because the mods have always prioritised suspending those who try to warn others of scammers, over shutting down the scammers themselves. The mods here have a zero tolerance approach to anyone that tries to publicly denounce a scammer and help others not get scammed by those individuals...
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i think that traders have their own system, steamrep or trader rep;
so if an a person have alot of -rep in taht site it means that something wrong with him.
steamgifts is mainly focus on on the gift parts,
the no calling rule also works because look at the op, i read all the situation and saw what have happend with that trade
and the other guy was correct as he didn't want the game konrad proposed..
all this im a fast sender and etc is a kids play..also if you don't understand english then you shoulnd't try and trade...
the other trader. got - rep from the op because the op just dont get what he meant...
so basicly.. if you are a trader you stick with https://steamrep.com/ and other tools that help you.
mod's shouldn't suspend according to the rules,
calling out is a rule if you use the site for your own benifit you should always follow rules.
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well steamgifts and steamtrades are two sides of the same coin... they're both equally as relevant to the site as a whole, and are integrated into one overall website... also, I'm not all that concerned about what knowledgable traders to to keep themselves safe, but you should realise there are more traders out there that DONT know what theyre doing, than ones that do. Also steamrep is rubbish, i dont know anyone that uses it as a reliable source of scam detection.
My post is simply about the attitudes of the mods here, and they're definitely more concerned with looking out for scammers than they are for traders. It might take them a couple of months to deal with a scammer (if they can even be bothered to do it at all, which is a HUGE 'if'), where as if someone attempts to warn traders about a scammer, they'll INSTANTLY find time to suspend them, thus allowing scammers to remain undetected and continue to scam people. It's about priorities, and the moderators priorities here are definitely to take down the people who have been scammed, before the scammers themselves... its a pretty messed up priority, but it is one that has led me to the point where im fine making my claim that yes, the site does support (or at least show a huge indifference, which is every bit as good as 'support') towards scammers.
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#1, the correct approach to deal with scammers is in the guidelines http://www.steamgifts.com/about/guidelines
General
Use the appropriate avenues for support. If you have an issue with another user, submit a ticket with a user report, rather than calling them out within the community or on the forum.
#2, spotting someone calling out takes 1 second. confirming a case where a user is scamming others takes A LOT OF TIME AND PROOF.
a suspension for calling out and a permaban for scamming can't even be compared.
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its not about which is easier, its about which the mods are more eager to do. They just cant be bothered dealing with scammers because its hard and boring, but someone 'calling out' is easy and obvious, which is why they're much more eager to deal with the call-outs than they are the scammers.
and yes they can be compared.. Someone whos just been stung by a scammer and had their items stolen, and wanting to caution others, gets suspended by the mod staff is a real kick in the teeth when they're already down... I'd imagine that feels incredibly horrible, where as a scammer isnt concerned about their account, they just want to scam as much as they can while they can. When a mod silences someone reporting what happened and who did it, they're allowing the scammer to maximise the amount of scamming they can do, which is great for the scammer
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they aren't more eager to suspend people for calling out, it's just easier to spot someone doing it, so it's dealt with instantly.
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The mods will treat you harsher than they will the scammer if you doSuspension for calliong out - 2-3 days, Suspension for Scamming - Permament. Indeed they treat you much harsher :D:
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A scammer doesn't care about their account, they're just using it to scam as much as they can before it gets cancelled... where as someone who just got their items stolen, and tries to do a public service, gets ganged up on by the mods and kicked when they're already down, making them feel even more miserable...
meanwhile the scammer sees that the mods have effectively silenced any reports about their activities, allowing them to continue scamming freely, while the scammed person in turn sees that the mods punished him, while rewarding the scammer (by allowing anonymity of their crimes)... yeah i stick by what i say..
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and? You didn't mention value of account, you didn't say that for him account is less valuable than for normal member etc - you said exactly that SG staff punishes for calling out in harsher way that it punishes for scamming. Heck you said every time pointing how it happens over and over - which is straight up lie. Even if you're "already down" etc in no way can 3day suspension be considered harsher punishment than permament ban.
You didn't bother with the rules, got punished for calling out and are butthurt ever since it seems spreading your false agenda. Nothing more :>
As for scammer running away freely - you have MULTIPLE ways to act against this scammer without breaking any rules. Leave negative feedback. Report on SteamRep. Write a Support ticket - each of them much better than calling out. Who does your calling out really help? What are the chances that the trader who will be trying to trade with him next just accidentally finds your topic exactly at the moment they will be trading? Pretty non-existent. If they even bother at all doing a backup check on trader - they will look if he's suspended on SG, if he's got reports on SteamRep, does he have negative feedback on his profile. But they surely won't go reading every "I got scammed" topic on every gaming forum reading about thousands other scammers hoping that in one of thousands topics they will find one about their guy.
So again - your topic served no actual purpose, you had much better ways to warn people, decided to break the rules instead, because you felt so "down" and vented by breaking the rules. You broke the rules you got punished. Simple as that.
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In my mind you have the same voice as Milo, from the Pusher film trilogy, protrayed by Zlatko Buric
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Weren't you the guy raging over a dude that did not want to trade with you? You are wrong. Just get over it. giving -rep means you got scammed and not that you are unhappy with somebody not wanting to trade with you.
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Maybe it depends of the nature of infraction, maybe it's after broking the same rule several times.
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Ah, Konrad. You have returned.
Why isn't there a troll tag? Would it be calling out if it was Konrad? Is Konrad a human being or a very awkward alien? Skynet? The questions.
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Am I the only one who thinks you should get a permanent ban?
Also after the "scammer" got a one day permanent ban, I created another thread for you and you got 5 days suspension. You can thank me later.
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repeated offences lead to permaban - and how many times did we see k suspended?
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Salute.
A few days ago user of this site tried to steal my key. He made a good play on words, which meant something completely different than their literal meaning.. I gave him negative feedback to warn others and support gave me 5 days suspension and ""deleted my warning comment"".
So, even we have negative comments we can in easy step have good reputation, because suport can delete it.
We can try scam others and when ppl give ours negative feedback we can write to the support because "trade was not completed because he realized that wanted to cheat ".
Trade not completed - no comment.
Bad experience before trade - no comment.
Bad experience after trade - write to your friend from support abut delete negative comment and call him liar.
Bad comments - write to the support and ask to delete it. You are really cool and even you tried to do bad deal you should have full positive feedback to do good deals with others unaware ppl.
Finally, In my opinion negative feedback should be pernament and should have 1comment option.
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