I don't care about the stats. Some people will want to play these games that are being given away, even for a limited amount of time! It's free, So don't complain! Yes they should fix the stats system with it, but still! Don't like it? No one is forcing you to stay.
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It's like a demo or a steam free weekend. They should be free anyways, so beta keys are not allowed on this site - especially since the devs are only doing this for advertising purposes.
With your reasoning, why can't individual users give betas? It's free right, so don't complain!
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I don't have a problem. I didn't suggest the idea, I just commented as to why I partially agree with it. For example, real contributors lose their place in "Top Contributors This Week" spot and the site stats get messed up. Not that I personally care about it, just saying it's not quite right.
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lol, you guys and your ad hominems. You're seriously frivolously reporting him for a giveaway that was deleted? Note that he himself deleted the giveaways, not the mods.
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Actually, the Steamtrades forum rules do not forbid calling out users, only SG.
More importantly, though, just because you don't like a rule doesn't mean you're free to ignore it :/
And calling out a user for breaking a rule while breaking a rule yourself in the process is hypocrisy, plain and simple.
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"I call out re-gifting because I don't like re-gifiting"
Maybe you missed the memo on this:
"You do not call out people on the forums or the chat. Ever. Even if you have seemingly undeniable proof they're a scammer or they're trading wins or whatever, never post about them in the forum or chat."
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Just don't enter them. Is that hard?
You even won Tryst beta. That is funny.
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wth is wrong with betas?
If you don't want to help the developer testing the game then simply don't enter them...
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Wow, dude, really? You are registered on a site where you can win free stuff. :/ You are not even obliged to gift things here, and yet you are whining about BETA giveaways. Don't enter for the games if you don't want to. I wasn't interested in GoI, but I'll sure enter for Medieval Warfare, because it actually looks good, and the Beta will help me to decide if it's worth buying the game.
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Do not enter them then. It is the right place, you can see by the number of entries that people are interested.
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On the other hand: some people enter every giveaway in sight and some people will try to trade or re-gift the game, even if it's a beta; either because they want to boost their contributor value, or because they figure they aren't that much interested in the game or maybe because of sheer stupidity.
I'm not saying that it's bad to make developer-beta-giveaways; I'm just saying that you can not conclude a huge real interest only because a lot of people are entering.
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Its not the right place, The rules state: No betas.
The only people that can giveaway betas are devs, Thats just a double standard.
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SG should have a "standard" on dev giveaways, So nobody uses it for just marketing (This is pretty much it)
TornBanner & Chivalry have been pretty dark during all its development, The forums went from being VERY active once the first dev trailers came out to not active at all. This beta giveaway is just a way of saying "Hey! Look at our game! We made a game! ...Guys, Try our game!"
If they really wanted to give to the community, They would giveaway the full game. Afterall, They got unlimited copies. They just wanna advertise for free. And SG is what theyre using (Among other things). USING.
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The devs aren't entering giveaways, so what's the problem? The devs giving away stuff here are indie companies, who use their own money to fund their development, and therefore it's not ideal for them to give away free copies of their game. I don't see a problem with them giving away betas of the game as it is a lot better for them and they are able to fix issues that may arise in the game before the release, which in turn is better for the potential buyers. As for your comment that the beta only lasts 7 days, it lasts until the game is released and for GoI Online that's on the 29th of this month.
After reading all your posts, you really seem like a person, who thinks he's entitled to get free games from the developers. You should consider yourself lucky to even get beta versions of the games and get to try the game beforehand. Also, if you bothered to read the giveaway description you would see this: "And don't worry folks, come launch time we'll be giving away a bunch of retail copies as well, but that shouldn't stop you from taking advantage of our pre-order sale, netting you a 4 pack for as cheap as $8.75/copy (USD).".
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I can't believe how much things have changed. You used to be paid to beta test games but no more. At any rate, the Chivalry beta in particular only lasts for 7 days. As I've said above, I see this giveaway, especially because of its short playable duration, as a limited-time demo or free weekend. Steamgifts should not just be an advertising tool for indie devs.
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You used to be paid for walking through the map and hitting every wall to determine all possible bugs, not actually playing the games. These betas are meant for actual playing and you are free to report any bug you encounter while playing. I don't see anything wrong with that and am actually happy that I got a chance to participate in Chivalry beta, since I liked Age of Chivalry a lot (at least I think that it's the same studio that made the mod, but even if it wasn't, I still like knights and stuff ;))
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I doubt they recieve money for letting them do Beta giveaways, also if you don't like it DON'T ENTER THEM! Nobody is forcing you to enter every giveaway you see. Why would Beta giveaways be bad ? Betas not only let you help make the game better, but they also give you an early look and help you make the decision if you would want that game. So stop being a little b**** and stop complaining on the forums. We don't really care what you think!
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"We" is everyone that is saying the same thing on this useless topic. And i'm sorry if it was "a bit harsh", but i'm sick of people complaining how Betas are on SG or how Greenlight games are on SG or that thing they don't like is on SG and so on. This site let's you win free stuff and people are still complaining...
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For a moment i thought that you were going to quote V from V for Vendetta XD. Anyway still i think that helping out Indie games is not so bad and if people don't like the betas, well just don't enter them. I don't really see how it affects you. Just ignore them like i do with every game i don't care about. I don't enter for the betas, becouse i'm not interested. That doesn't mean i think that SG should ban betas.
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"DOWN WITH FREE STUFF, I HATE FREE STUFF" - piticxxx, oct 9th, 2012.
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again,another bunch of "don't join if don't like" comments.Heh.
i believe OP's point is that SG is being a free promo site for developers to send out BETA copies.Hell,I received the Guns of Icarus Beta key months ago,when the developer distributed them on facebook,but now they do it again on SG.Quite a joke actually,but whatever agreement made is between SG's admins and the developers,none of us knows if SG receives anything back from hosting developer giveaways so just let's move on.
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Nothing wrong a bit of indie promotion :-), I am glad if the owner gets a bit of money out of it...he deserves it imo.
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I agree that Beta giveaways should not add any contributor value to the gifter. Other than that I don't see any problem, developpers rarely release demos nowadays so betas are interesting if you want to test your system specs or take a quick look at the game before you buy it.
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I you hate betas that much, just don't enter the giveaway. Nobody's forcing you to enter.
Unless you're one of those lame-ass loser that enter every single giveaway witout looking and complains afterward about winning a game you don't want.
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I don't mind developers giving away Betas on this site just like I like the greenlight-projects to support the game, but
I think the rules are bent at present a bit too far but with a little bit of change I would buy into the concept of giving away developer betas on this site - maybe a sister-site for that kind of purpose should be made?
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OK - I just couldn't find it on Steam - corrected my previous post.
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yes it does but I think there is a major difference between a full-game giveaway and a beta giveaway - therefore I would mark it differently and the price in points should be lower as people spent money on full games and give them away so the community earns the points in the first place.
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I spent money on games to contribute to the community so that you and I receive the points. So yes you could put it that way - on the other hand everyone is free to do with their points what ever they wish.
I think the blow was taken out of my sails when I was told they do actually exist on Steam but are not yet visible, but I still think it would be a good idea to market the whole thing differently as it throws up the same questions over and over again and there is potential to put the developers of independent games in a much better and noble light with a few little tweaks - that way everybody wins!
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I don't know about other people, but I am always happy if things are clearly explained or there are clear rules about it - with the increasing number of developer betas this is not the case and I feel uneasy about it.
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Betas are allowed, just not all betas. DotA 2 is allowed, and so was CS:GO while it was in beta, and you do/did earn contributor value by submitting either of those. And yes, you do gain points when someone submits a game, which means, as I said before, that you gain points by doing nothing at all.
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But do you also receive points if a developer beta is posted? I guess not...
...I don't mind the points part too much as the same rule applies to everyone on this website, but I would really like to see a section in the FAQ outlining the exact rules of developer beta giveaways and marking them differently just like done with the Greenlight giveaways. And I wouldn't mind if the points you spend on them is a bit lower...
...but having said that I can understand that people who really would love to join the beta probably would like to have this changed back to an even higher value so that only people join which have an urge to try the game.
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I wish they'd stop forcing us to enter those giveaways. I mean, this site would be awesome if WE could choose which giveaways enter or let pass :(
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Free will is a commodity that has run out these days. I am sorry but we might have a restock in the near future. Please come again.
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This is wrong!
I hate betas, stop giving away betas! maibe SG receive money for marketing, maibe others enjoy a limited time of play in beta mode.. but still.. shame on you SG!
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