the russian price is taken into account for this. so if the russian price is 95% less than the standard price in the us, the game gets a spot on the bundle list.
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the russian price is taken into account for this
Out of curiosity does this mean that russian prices are sometimes taken into account and sometimes not? Or are they always taken into account?
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My bet is that it's not automatic, and that some « human » handle the exception into the bundle list
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It's never automatic, there is one lone bundler working on keeping the list up to date...
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That poor guy or gal. Must be lonely being the one lone bundler.
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There should be one list manager, but the other members of Support should be contributing. At least I hope that's the way it's operating, otherwise it is a hugely inefficient system.
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anyone can send tickets to bundle stuff. i do sometimes. :3
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I like my government working FOR me. Otherwise, what am I paying taxes for? ;)
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This is exactly how it works, especially since I'm no longer support and cannot see the tickets reporting missed bundle games.
They keep me in the loop on anything reported that I miss. Sleepy is also super handy with russian prices.
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Huh, so you guys do rely on Steamgifts members to highlight candidates for bundling. More sources is a good thing. Interesting to know.
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Regional pricing differences can do it, such as Russia, Brazil and the like. If its open to those countries exploiting cheap giveaways for fast value, then bundle listed.
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Oh, I was wondering the same thing, thanks for asking!
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Funny, I always thought the rule was written down someone... But I don't see it in the FAQ... oh well.
It get's added to the list if there is a place where you can get it 95% below the US base price. This usually means that 90% in russia is more the 95% below the US price...
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Russia/CIS converted price is $0.69 with the current discount.
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Another example: http://store.steampowered.com/app/311080/
it was added the 5th october too.
Maybe it's the russian prices, or maybe the « 95% » rule changed on 5th october ^^
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Its still 95%, that hasn't changed.
Regional prices have had that effect on the list for a long time.
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Well, this really need to be written in FAQ. I am here since a long time and there is still some obscure things happening on sg :D
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Well, Leadwerks was 75% off lowest (23.24euro) and it's on bundle list because they sell it very cheap in ru/cis (which is region locked btw).
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it doesn't matter if it's region locked or not (and nowadays everything in RU store is locked anyway). SG gives same Value for locked and not locked copies based on US prices - so if it costed less than 5% off US price yet it would give full US price value - it can go on bundle list.
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I know that, but my point is that what are they doing right now is not a solution. (or well, it's a lazy way to solve something)
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Additionally, the russian gifts are region locked i guess, but the bundle list does not handle regions, so if russian ruble goes very low for a while it means we can have some day every game 50% off in bundle list…
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Short answer is Yes.
Long answers have been already provided
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So can someone please explain to me why Decay: The Mare (before bundled of course, I gave it away before it got bundled, still this giveaway counts as bundled) was added to the list, while Dyad and Advent Rising weren't? All of those games were equally discounted 90% off.
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Most likely because they haven't been reported, as they both have dropped 95%+ in different regions. There's only one person doing the bundle list and it helps if the community reports games for addition to the list.
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I think advent rising isn't available in the russian store
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Nor it is available in Brazil, my country (second cheapest prices). BTW, do gifts that are not region-locked work when the game is not available in the store?
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yes if the game is not region locked it should work for any region. There are some rare specific cases for games banned in germany or japan tho I guess..
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Yeah, sure, in that case the gift should not work. I have no idea why advent rising is not available everywhere, btw.
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what about games features for example in Bundlestars?
do they also count in into the bundle list if theres no 1 dollar tier?
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As far as I understand the rule, if they're sold in a bundle on any bundle site, they go on the list.
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Not always if there's a high priced tier (for example Dark Souls was in a $10 tier)
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Oh, but the Star Wars bundle had its highest tier at $12, still all of the games ended up on the list...
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Dark Souls was the only game in the $10 tier, so if you substract the BTA price you paid $3-4 for Dark Souls alone, which is like having a 80-85% discount on Steam.
Star Wars bundle had more games in the highest tier, and the BTA price was almost the same as the $12 tier.
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Okay, that way it makes sense to me. Thanks for explaining!
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and what about bundles going for 3 dollar 45 the total package?
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@@ So, if a game price is 10$, when game 90%OFF in USA store, price is 0.99$.
But in Russian store price is 24p(about 0.39$).
Then this game will added to bundle list? Because 0.39 is already 96%OFF
Am i right? XD
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anything can be bundled by any reason and be marked with any date retroactively.
there's no rule about bundle thing. that's why, for example, eidos anthology and much others was bundled.
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They still did not add Deadfall Adventures Digital Deluxe which was 90% too and in Russia it was extremely cheap, so ppl just farmed CV from it.
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it would help a lot the guy who manage the bundle list if there were a « report bundle » button :D
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I am pretty sure Deadfall Adventures Digital Deluxe either wasn't available or was not discounted in the russian store for that sale.
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My cousin lives in Russia, he says there was tons of giveaways of Deadfall Adventures Deluxe, and I even asked him, in past each one cost 50p to enter, now its 25p, since price was lowered but still price was just a little more than for Mahjong Pretty Girls, which is can be considered as bundle.
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Now I will be always lv 1 forever, Thanks to region lock and a lot of bundle D:
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If you will never ever give away a game again, then yes, this is the truth.
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I may will make a another GA if I got extra spare money (or if I get something from my wishlist)
Maybe it will take much time before I lv up lol
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Said it before, I'll say it again. Since every gift coming out of the RUS region is now locked and there is the ability to give these away as region locked games, I'd like to see separate regional bundle lists for this precise set of circumstances. Whitelist, group and private giveaways of the affected games could all count as bundled CV as well to prevent abuse (people giving locked copies as RoW ones to their friends in the same region).
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what about people in those regions with countries that are locked but still pay US prices?
example:
brazil and mexico are SA locked and discounted.
everyone else on SA are locked but pay US prices.
i'm sure there are countries marked as RU that don't get discounts.
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Everyone already wrote nice explanations, but I will just add that e.g. "Mahjong Pretty Girls Battle Bundle Pack" costs $25 full price in US, and right now on sale it's $2,49, whereas in Russia it's $0.70 only.
Therefore if you calculate you will see that Russia get's the pack 97.2% off the US price.
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i added your example as it's more relevant ^^
anyway there is a big glitch in the system, because the discount is actually the same for russia
just because of the value of the russian ruble it means that any game with 90%off will be in the « 95% » case because of the ruble.
thus we can say that the 95% rule did not change but a 90% « rule » is now effective because of the russian ruble…
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There is no "%90 rule" effective. If russian price is lower than %5 of US Base Price(%95 off), the game is added to the bundle list.
Depending on the base price in RUS store or the changes in Ruble, it can even be a %75 or %85 discount and it can still be counted as bundled.
And in some really rare cases.. some games don't have a much cheaper base price in ruble or they are not available in the russian store (eg advent rising) so a big discount won't make them count as bundled.
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Yeah, they have the same percentage off, BUT! It's way cheaper compared to the US price. Steamgifts CV system is based on prices from US. Therefore anything above 95% off will be added to the bundle list. However since games are waay cheaper in especially Russia, calculations will be compared to the US price hence why it's 97.2% off the US price. :)
And yeah, pretty much. If one would farm for CV they would need to go for games at lower discounts than 90% for most games. However the prices in Russia is different from game to game since it's the publisher that decides the prices for regions. Some games are 70-74% cheaper in Russia than US / EU, while others are 60-69% or less.
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Maybe make REGIONAL giveaways public only? that would stop abuse, but not stop the giveaways.
Why punish everyone, and not those specific Russian groups that are abusing the system. And WAY before the steam regional trade locks, most people of course got their steamgifts from Russians, so all those people that had the ability to make giveaways in the old SGv1 and before the regional trade locks, all abused the system. :P
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You give me an awesome idea... I'm pretty sure that someone had this idea before, but I never read it since I got here
If SteamGifts treat bundled giveaways as independent regional bundled giveaways from general giveaways, all complains will end...
I mean, a game will be bundled only in its regional form (because whatever reasons), not ROW and other regions.
This means no hard done to the devs (once bundled, the game sells way less than unbundled) and no harm done to SteamGifts users because only who buy regional will get less CV because their discount.
I upvote the idea to bundle regional giveaways to not harm everyone outside that region (even devs) in one act.
Can someone point it out how this could go bad?
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can be easily exploited by picking ROW while creating the giveaway. As long as the winner does not complain SG has no way to know, so all the regional giveaway groups (Brasil, Russia, Turkey, SEA etc) will create their group giveaways as ROW and no one would complain...
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This can be easily (automatically) detected by SteamGifts system, since the GA Region filters people, not the opposite.
(I mean there's no way to set to me, as an example, to enter in a RUS+CIS giveaway).
So, starting there, when a giveaway has ONLY one specific region accounts enters, there's no doubt there's a exploit there.
Again: if only one certain REGION accounts enters in a "ROW" group giveaway, you know what is happening there because people from other regions can't enter in that giveaway.
This problem you've raised has automatic solution doesn't even require staff attention or someone complaining...
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And what is some crazy Russian buys ROW cd-key, but still give games only to his Russian friends?
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I actually like the idea of making game bundled for a certain region locked giveaways if it gets more than 95% discount off the US price in this region.
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you just need to create a steam group for X region, add people to your whitelist from X region, or invite people you want to a GA. then:
- create row group/whitelist/invite-only ga
- send region locked game to winner instead of ROW
- get CV as it was ROW
exploited
too much info, pls don't do this ;_;
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someone raised this problem that can be easily solved by scanning what region people who entered are.
only people from same region entering in row ga seems much more like an exploit than a normal ga.
if this pattern (only one region people entering in a "row" ga) is set (I mean ruled) as exploit, there will be no future complaining.
this will force region groups to not try (what is already set as) exploit.
that way, this system could do way less damage than this current one since only a specific regional group can be genuinely damaged.
sorry... to organize I tried to write different ideas in different lines but they complement each other :(
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You are too much worried about me getting more CV than you because my income is lower =d
That's how I see all these threads.
Will I stop giving away if I won't get less CV - no. But each discussion hurts ='(
"Let's just make all the not public and not "Global" giveaways give 0 CV, where "Global" games are the special kind of games, which will cost 2 * US prices so only the Chosen ones will receive the holy CV!" So dirty CIS people won't get a lot of CV points at all, or only the richest ones can, others will be LVL 0 Rats! Genius plan,right?
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it's not a CV problem, it's about making NB GA in ratio groups and you are told afterwards your GA is not valid…
but yeah for some it's a CV matter…
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Also, it's about trying to « understand » a little more about sg gears, you know that ignorance is a weapon right? ^^
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Yeah this sucks! I spent the last of my steam wallet money (after selling a key on top of this) thinking I was getting a nice deal. So I bought 3 copies and a week later it was listed as a bundle game. I dropped half a level putting me to level 4. I think you are just safer sticking to giving bundle games to prevent dropping so much ;__;
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They should really make this rule clearer. There are so many threads about it
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My bet is that the current bundle list rules on sg is far from perfect so they can't really write rules because people could easily find the flaws in the rules. There would be even more threads about exceptions not complying the rules…
There are many examples that imply some arbitrary decision, as high tier bundle or even when to remove or re-add an « exploited » game.
The least they could do by now is adding a « reason » column in the bundle list with generic reasons (in bundle, >95%, exploited, ...) that would not be a big overhead for the guy filling the list because at the time he adds a game he actually knows why.
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Sorry I'm bringing this topic back up but I'm a bit angry right now. I just gave away a copy of Bionic Commando (no, not Rearmed) I was having in my inventory only to find out it is not giving me my full CV value. This game has never been bundled before! I bought it at 80% off. Why on earth is this game on the bundle list now???
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https://steamdb.info/app/21670/
I guess it's because of brasil this time
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tl;dr blame the russians and brazilians D:< D:< D:< D:<
yes they got me thru mahjong pretty girls being discounted so low in other regions ;A;
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For example, Mahjong Pretty Girls is currently at 90% off but it was added to bundle list.
I know there is no « written rule » about which discount lead a game to be added to the bundle list, but maybe someone has fresh info about that?
EDIT: the explaination is:
I guess this is to prevent russian people to farm CV on SG by making GA between russian groups.
As a consequence, and depending of the value of the ruble, many of the 90% off games will now fall into the « 95 % » category. If the ruble value fall even more it will also concern 85% or even 80% off games :D
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