A reporter from The New York Times has been killed by Russian forces, another has been wounded :\
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I keep seeing tragedies from the war.
I don't know why NATO has not made a no-fly zone yet.
I don't know why NATO has not transferred their jets yet.
But, in my game, you shall have the jets.
In my game, there shall be no missiles hit hospitals or schools
https://youtu.be/DWgNJVNvu1w
And an updated version: https://youtu.be/veX2o67HXCA
I know in real life it's almost impossible for jets to intercept missiles. But, things can be different in the games.
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It is unfortunate that in 17 days of war and thousands of peaceful Ukrainians killed, you continue to blame putin, not the russian people. As long as you don't understand this, I don't feel sorry for you. Every russian citizen is guilty of terrorist acts in Ukraine, just as Nazi Germany was responsible and continues to be responsible for crimes against humanity
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you can tell these fictional stories to the same brainwashed "people" as you. There are videos of russia's shelling of hospitals, orphanages and apartment buildings, as well as terrorist attacks on civilians, kidnappings and executions.https://youtu.be/ULjYI6I0tg4 https://youtu.be/LTvKBH39aU8 https://youtu.be/V65TenAkpUQ https://youtu.be/6jAk9RoVtiY
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you didn't even have time to watch the video and say it's a fake? although the video shows everything
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it's all Hollywood graphics, and there's really no war here. and sanctions against Russia are not imposed, it's all a special economic operation for the Russians to free them from the benefits of civilization
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Once what is happening to you happened here. One day it will be over. Maybe then you will see what really happened.
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Every time you write "this is a fact" I feel the urge to vomit. You clearly lost any sense of what facts are. If you ever had any.
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Ah right, then let's check one of your "facts"
Ukraine does not know how to use weapons, this is a fact and shoots anywhere.
So if the Ukrainians wouldn't know how to use their weapons, how come Russia didn't achieve much yet?
Your army already performs miserably considering the actual resistance they meet. But if your "fact" would be true, the Russian army would be the laughing stock of the world.
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The whole world could see a Russian military convoy, dozens of kilometers long.
Our blessed Russian insider with all the "facts": "Russia has not yet deployed its army".
You sir, are the reason why we need all the sanctions we can possibly muster. And why we'll send weapons to make Russians bleed. Till at some point reality bites you so hard, so even your propaganda channels won't manage to fix it for you anymore.
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Yeah, but it's still good to be reminded that people like him actually exist. As frustrating as it is.
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Sadly there are far to many of them. But as you pointed out reality will find its way.
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I`m just wondering if people like him truly believe their overlords lies or putler is actually paying troll farms to shit all around the internet with this idiotic bullshit..
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Oh shut up. No one actually believes your lies.
Did your overlord tell you that this is a fact? It is you who cannot think for yourself. Your government controls the media and only lets you see what they want you to see.
If Putin posted a video of himself shitting out a lump of gold and saying he was "blessed by the ghost of Stalin" you'd believe it.
Now I am adding you to ignore list.
(that's an awesome script btw)
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I`m going to do the unforgiving and feed the troll :(
But I will assume you know the truth but simply try to push the propoganda. You do realize people from all around the Europe are going to Ukraine and seeing what putin is doing first hand ? What russian army is doing ? We have drones and cameras on the frontline 24/7. We see everything.
Have you forgotten that it`s the 21st century ? If putin can block any information he deems against his dictatorship he does it and russians will believe it. But you do realize that basically nowhere outside of russia this propoganda works ? We get videos and photos from non-ukrainians who go to help and donate stuff.
putin literally has spoken to china and that sucker lukashenko about invasion. putin is asking for military equipment to china. kremlin is constantly being contradictory between stories about "liberation" and "invasion". I mean if your target is to rile everyone up - good job. I suppose the 1 EUR (or 100000000000 ruble) is well earned for you. If you truly believe the lies of kremlin - wow I feel sorry for you. Wake up.
btw. Russia has weird food trucks in form of tanks, attack helicopters and jets. I suppose they are dropping huge loads of food for them to make such destruction.. oh wait - yeah.. it`s Ukrainians themselves... how dumb of me
https://twitter.com/OsintRazor/status/1503017367076581382 (but yeah, this is probably state funded propoganda from ukraine.. they must be rich as fuck to buy so much russian military equipment for simple propoganda videos)
https://twitter.com/hochu_dodomu/status/1502980543994019840 (what a weird food truck)
https://twitter.com/Khers_ON/status/1502976621074165766 (what a peaceful food delivery mission, how can you be angry at those helping hands)
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https://twitter.com/OsintRazor/status/1503017367076581382 - theese cakes are looking so awesome realistic xD
in russia its not allowed to call it war... you might end up in prison for 15 years :(
i wonder how dangerous it is for them to say something on the internet which putin dosnt agree with
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may i ask why all nations would create the fake news / why we would want to hurt russian economy or people?
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but why should US and NATO choose russia and china as enemies? we are hurting ourselves with the sanctions (against russia) as well...
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asking us and nato: cause we are against a war
now you are telling me, there is no war. so i ask you: why should they do this? you also mentioned: they are hurting them self as well... and thats not in their interest^^
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ok, now we have to points, we can talk about. to not lose them, i will make two replies:
according to you ukraine has got many weapons to fight against donbass. ukraien has also much more people and so a bigger army then the rebells from donbass? does has russia send his troops / military into donbass to "help" them? or how did they manage to hold?
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and the second response
you still didnt explained why you believe, US or NATO would want to hurt russia...
its not like anybody would gain anything from it^^ even worse:
i live in germany. we have different political parties and when the leading parties would create suchlike fakes, the other parties would use this against them...
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what war do you talking about?
if you are talking in general: yes, there where many wars in the world... i dont know how many wars or even years french for example fought against england... they didnt had an ally against russia. and USA even didnt existed thousands of years ago... we had even the holy alliance between prussia, austria and russia... also dont forget the Triple Entente between french, russia and great britain...
also: russia is too rich? germany has a bigger gross national income than russia (even though we have 1/3 of the population). i would call russia "too rich"
and pls also answere to https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/jwiIL/ukraine-awareness-thread-bundle-for-ukraine/search?page=12#ecRtiBX as i would realy like to know your opinion
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so if i get you right: you didnt read my Comments, dont want to answere to them and pretendig all "other countries commit genocides and seize resources" but Russia is perfect?
and now you try to raise fear? that dosnt work ;)
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many News channels arround the World are telling the same: Russia is making war.
your news channels are telling the opposite.
and now you come with "lets be objektive: our channels are right"?
thats subjective... to be objective we need to accept that both of us might be wrong and we need to connect the dots... thats why i asked you some questions (you still didnt answered...)
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So, could we pls be objective?
what war that lasts thousands of years against russia, where you talking? cause as i explained: russia was often an important ally for european countries...
why should we hate the ones (russia), that helped us through our darkest time (ww2)?
how did ukraine managed to not win their own terretories back, when europe has send so many weapons to them while russia has send no troops / weapons to the rebells?
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What are you talking about? Even shitty Lada Vesta cant be created without components from Renault. Russia will not have planes because half of them are Boeing and Airbuses and all of them, even local Sukhoi Super Jet have most of their components made in West. Fucking medicine, haha, that is why in pharmacies there is medicine from Germany, Switzerland or India. Russia cant even do difficult surgeries and begging for donations on national television for sick children to get surgeries in the West. No one will buy your nonsense here, even Westerners. Бабкам соседским рассказывай про то какая рашка крутая, может быть поверят если сильно в маразм впали.
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Lol space technologies... Name me anything spectacular Russia did last 20 years in space technologies...
Юра, мы все проебали…
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You'll be eating bread and potatoes every day in the next 10 years or so, for as long as Putin is in charge, if not even longer. That's pretty much everything you can expect to be produced in Russia.
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Russia can produce facts on any issue.
here, fixed it for you.
like your state media produces fresh lies every day.
i hear putin asked daddy china for help already. doesn't get any more pathetic than this.
keep living in your dream world. putin will never win anything in this conflict. and the world will not forget his lies and his deeds.
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Similar things could be said of you. What exactly are you doing to better things? All you care about is your internet brownie points for hating people.
Fantastic job there.
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I hate people who came to my country with the war to kill civilians and loot, is that bad?
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Aye, I understand your anger. But this is not every Russian citizen. They live under a dictatorship. One half believe all the propaganda and lies fed to them by Putin (Fin7 is a good example of that). They think the war in Ukraine is justified because, you know, "nazis."
The other half know the truth about this war and they certainly don't want to live under a dictatorship, but as soon as they speak out, they're arrested. Some of them are speaking out and facing up to 15 years in prison.
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Half of people is 75 million people, they dont have facilities to arrest them all, something doesnt add up with your estimation.
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You're right, they don't. But it's also not THAT simple. If you lived under a regime that rules by fear, you would be hesitant to speak out. That's what's happening. Also, Putin has made sure that people cannot organise any protest events via social media. Maybe they will find a way, but at the moment, every time a smaller protest manages to gather, police break it up and arrest people. Putin knows full well that he has a lot of silent opposition out there and is terrified of a coup. That's why he's keeping the streets clear.
To date, there are close to 15,000 arrests in Russia related to anti-war protests. Yet, there are people who still do it everyday knowing they'll likely get arrested. It takes a really brave person to do that, and most people are not that brave, unfortunately.
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Right... you know better than them that they are living under dictatorship. You and your western buddies really need to stop with this pathetic talk entirely or at least think for a bit before talking.
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I'll just leave this here - https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/tddlnc/two_words_moscov_2022/
P.S. I don't live in Russia since 2015, but I think it is important for people to understand that living in the authoritarian regime is something they will never understand, if they never experienced it themselves.
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I learnt about it in school, but I couldn't understand it. Until now.
I know this is from a 'western' source and might all be 'fake', but just watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE_akBrZbnI
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It doesn't sound fake to me at all. Most people have no idea what 20 years of propaganda can do to a person
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Same here. I hope that some people actually understand what is happening by watching these threads on a Steam giveaway site.
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sure, mate, do you think anyone believes this BS?
it's like arguing Nazi-Germany bombed all of the german cities themselves, because they were losing
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you even contradict yourself, you said above:
"Russia has not yet deployed its army, the military infrastructure is being consistently destroyed with high-precision weapons."
and now you say the russian army can't reach these places?
and what do the Ukrainians shoot at, when the russian army isn't even deployed yet?
please spare us your propaganda BS
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Well, of course there is ground vehicles, how do you think you can evacuate the civilian population and deliver food.
I have to correct you there, you meant killing civilian population and committing warcrimes
There are only professional military men who fought against the ISIS in Syria and other terrorist groups.
I have to correct you there, even la puta admitted that there are conscripts after videos of russian POWs went viral
thanks for another post with propaganda BS
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How does it come, that you speak english that good, when most russians barely speak english, if at all, are you one of Putins hired internet trolls?
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Dont feed that monkey with more attention.
He is too deep down the Russian propaganda hole or just suffering from willfull ignorance.
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I added him to that Ignore script.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/udvlO/script-to-ignore-putins-trolls-here-at-sg
He's lost in the propaganda machine. Or he is indeed paid to spread lies online.
Although, when all that QAnon stuff happened in America, I had an aunt that went there. She went so far down the QAnon rabbit hole that she is totally lost. She was a normal person beforehand, got pulled into it by someone else, and now she's just full of these conspiracy theories and I don't think we can bring her back. A person really can be that lost, unfortunately. Putin has managed to do this en masse by filling people with two decades of rubbish about how NATO is a danger to Russia.
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An Irish sheep calling someone lost in a propaganda machine ahahahahahahah. I swear to God, this whole post is comical.
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Sheep? Really? I'm not the one thinking that a country is not getting bombed and that people are not dying. That civilians are not being shot at as they try to make their way out of cities. I am not the one who denies the words of those poor people that have made their way to Poland and talk about the horrors unleashed on them by Russian military.
Just stop.
And I was one of those people that used to think "America always portrays Russia so bad in movies. America is hard on Russia. Russia is not that bad." Europe used to laugh at America's portrayal of Russia. Now I feel differently. Putin has made me realise that maybe America was right to be wary of Russia. Putin has just succeeded in turning all Europeans against him, where most of us were probably indifferent to him before. I do not hold anything against the normal Russian people. But I do against Russian trolls like you and your master DICKtin/Putler. I am no sheep. I am free to make up my own mind.
Welcome to my ignore list.
If anyone else wants to talk shit to me, they can be welcome on my ignore list too. Then I won't have to read their nonsense.
And please blacklist me like so many others have done already, I don't want horrible people entering my GAs.
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Keep your fake money.
In any war military kills civilians, mostly by accident I want to believe. But on purpose too, targetting places without checking if there are civilians or not, just to be safe.
In Spain we still remember about a periodist killed on 2003 during the war on Irak by USA
So to be clear, I'm not just accussing only Russia but it happens that now Russia started this "Security operation".
Do you really believe those attacks on hospitals are fake? If yes, you wouldn't mind to be there while they were bombing with "fake bombs".
Obviously, there aren't any "official" proven war crimes because no trial has happened... yet.
This could be Nuremberg 2.0 and it will be awesome for humankind if it achieves that someone (ANY country) thinks a lot before starting another war.
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Refugees of war are arriving each day here where I live. Like you said the conflict has been going on for 8 years. Yet now 2.6 million Ukrainians have fled their country since the 'special military operation' has begun. You are being fed lies. Massively.
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That's the good Russian people I believe in.
They are brave and kind.
Not like some of Putin's Z-ombies. :)
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The Russian authorities do not recognize any petitions made not on a «Российская общественная инициатива» website.
And the second problem is that the «Российская общественная инициатива» site is state-owned and completely controlled by the country's authorities...
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Nothing will happen except that the petition will disappear.
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A foreign citizen simply will not be able to create a petition on this site, because it is required to have an account on the state website «ГосУслуги», but even if you are a citizen of Russia and you have an account on the state portal, the moderator will simply delete your petition.
You can view the list of all petitions and understand the approximate selection criteria...
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There's just a difference between "right" and "opportunity"...
citizens of Russia have the right to create an anti-war petition (this does not violate any laws), the authorities simply will not allow the creation of such petitions on a state resource.
Here, as with protests, you can submit an application to the authorities to hold a rally, it will simply never be approved.
Hypothetically, you have the legal right to participate in a single picket (i.e. take a poster and stand with it), you do not need a permit to hold a rally... but you will be arrested.
1) At the first arrest, a fine of 30,000 rubles (despite the fact that the salary of the majority is 30,000-35,000 rubles per month)
2) At the second arrest, everything will repeat (a fine of 30,000 rubles)
3) And after the 3rd arrest, you will have a choice to go to jail (Article 212.1 of the Criminal Code of Russia, 5 years of imprisonment) or emigrate quickly.
The Russian authorities are indifferent to any protests and petitions. When protests were still allowed in Russia (their symbol was a white ribbon), the president of Russia called this ribbon a «condom» and laughed at the protesters on the air of state media.video
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Many people tried to create a petition there... no one has succeeded in this as a result.
There is a very strict moderation on the «Российская общественная инициатива» portal.
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Remember about the «Boiling frog»(experiment) ? It all didn't start yesterday...
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That's why you must win. For the sake of democracy, for the sake of freedom, for the sake of liberty.
In a nation ruled by a dictator, all the rules, laws, regulations, government mechanisms are just his tools to enslave people instead of something people can use to limit his power. Ignore all the fancy words written in the constitution, the dictator just make it his plaything. And people become hopeless to change anything in any meaningful way when playing with such rules.
Once people give in to such slavery, they will get used to such new "normal" within years. They will then start to defend their slavemaster as if everything is justified.
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Дякую що описав тут цю тему, друже
Борімося - поборемо!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm1U5E44W90
Putin on Putin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeXWbnA58Ow
Inside Russia
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html
Russian losses. This list only includes destroyed vehicles and equipment of which photo or videographic evidence is available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN32xd-ZAf8
And some cute puppies to end with
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This woman has greater courage than all of Putin & friends ever could dream of. This happened in the biggest news show in Russia, on state television.
https://twitter.com/Kira_Yarmysh/status/1503444260938526720
Edit: An article with more background information.
Edit 2: And there is even more. https://twitter.com/expatua/status/1503477321642217483
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a very rare sign of integrity among russian urinalists.
let's hope she doesn't fall victim to some "accident".
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Since Twitter is banned in Russia and YT isn't: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgHuRRpMIu4
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A recent view.
[Russia📺]
Russian anti-war protest videos are up on Twitter and You Tube, and Telegram's OVD-Info has information that she is being detained by Moscow police.
The story is that her father is Ukrainian and her mother is Russian.
[A story with redeeming qualities]
External power transmission at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant has been restored and cooling has settled down.
Staff have suspended operations due to exhaustion.
[Recently Concerned].
There was an incident of a drone flying from Ukraine and falling over three NATO countries.
There is also information from Ukrainian government sources that a Russian drone has also crashed in Croatia.
On the 14th and 15th, the areas of damage were mainly concentrated in the eastern part of the country due to diplomatic negotiations.
It is said that 100% of Russia's pre-deployed forces were deployed into Ukraine.
It would be a terrible story if you take into account the replacement of troops and dealing with wounded soldiers, and counting casualties after the war would definitely not be a job I would recommend.
[Concerns]
In any case, it is on Twitter that information is most likely to surface in this war.
However, to avoid "information propaganda" after the violence has been adjudicated, images of the wounded and victims posted on primary sources are not posted on secondary sources for the public to view.
Telegram's Ukraine connection as a 1.5 primary source is said to be a bit more horrifying, but good kids, don't go looking.
You might not be able to sleep ...
Just keep in mind that the war is just a processed video game landscape and there are much more horrific things going on.
(In the sense that it has been edited to soften the psychological shock).
[extra]
Speaking of which, there is a US military related site like this one.
If you want to know what kind of equipment is being used against Russia or what kind of places have been attacked by missiles, this may be helpful.📝
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this is the editor of 1channel. I'm afraid prison awaits her after this. it's strange that her conscience didn't torment her before. at least even on such a vile channel there are people who oppose the war
in the news, the inscription is completely censored, or only the phrase "no war"
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we already talked about it yesterday :(
ukrainian solders try to kill their own kids? are you serious? pls think about what we talked about yesterday...
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first: many children leaved to europe, but there are still enough people (and children) who dont want to leave ukraine
second think about it:
an ukrainian solder try to hide a bomb and he
does it not at night, when he cant be found that easyly but during day
wears a huge ukrainian flagg on his arm, so everybody "knows" its an ukrainian person
and ofc a uniform so everybody knows the "government" is bad
also: the way he is wearing the mine looks pretty strange (like in a bad movie...). if it explodes easylie by movement, you dont want to have it hanging on a string... it also makes it more difficult to place it safely :( but at least it looks this way more like "it must be dangerous"^^
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An animal control catchpole and a vodka bottle.
You can hold a mine safely in your hands it requires a decent amount of pressure before it goes boom.
Obviously a fake news video.
The dude has been brainwashed too much, you can't help him.
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don't waste your time.
either he gets paid for this shit or he is completely delusional.
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you might be right, but on the other hand: in nazi germany we germans got also brainwashed. i still have the hope to make him one moment think about what he is saying :(
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is it really how mines are placed on the ground ? with a long rod. Wouldn't it be less dangerous to activate it only when it's on the floor ?
I don't think the video is legit but I'm curious. Any military can confirm the rod method ?
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That mine strangely looks a lot like a vodka bottle. :DDD
Secondly you have to bury landmines a bit so it isn't seen. That is why landmines were a problem after wars in the past.
So yes that video is a clear fake.
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I was asking that because I thought Russians would, at least, know how to use a mine.
But I think it's just a made up element to make it more visual. Otherwise we wouldn't clearly understand what he is doing.
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Marina Ovsyannikova, Russian TV antiwar protester, fined for video address - The Washington Post
It appears that there was no imprisonment, although he was convicted afterwards of the protest within the Russian TV broadcast.
In any case, I hope she stays safe until things settle down.
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As a reaction Russia left the Council: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/russias-withdrawal-from-council-of-europe-a-tragedy-for-victims-of-kremlins-abuses/
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Russian soldiers refusing to redeploy to Ukraine, become 'cannon fodder' | Euromaidan Press
👀…
There are also descriptions of Russian soldiers who seem to have been tricked and traumatized into entering Ukrainian territory.
It would be synonymous with "go die" if you fight once and return to supply and there is no supply when you go out again.
There are also descriptions of Russian soldiers being detained by military police for refusing orders.
As with the "supply trucks" and "the end result" above one, it seems to me that Russian troops entering the Ukrainian interior today are definitely bogged down from both feet in a nightmarish situation.
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The international court of justice has ruled that Russia has to suspend its "military operation" immediately.
Press release
Order
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You are welcome. Stay strong. Putin has just announced that he'll use chemical warfare: https://tass.com/world/1423223
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This is in German, but it shows what Russia is trying it the so called 'information war': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_uVfPJS4oE
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Although information is still mixed, there are reports that rebel groups within Belarus have bombed a factory in a southwestern Belarusian city.
Franak Viačorka on Twitter: "Belarusians interrupt the movement over the railway to stop the deployment of Russia's equipment to Ukraine. Yesterday, they stopped the trains near the Belarus-Ukraine border. No one in the country supports the Russian invasion. Belarusians keep fighting by all possible means. " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504058093159727108
Pavel Latushka on Twitter: "Statement by @nau_belarus on the facts of Belarus' occupation by #Russia, the significant loss of control over the country's territory by the illegitimate government of #Lukashenka and drawing #Belarus into a war with #Ukraine. 🎥⬇️ " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1504182313130807297
📝:National Anti-Crisis Management - Wikipedia
There was also a recent action to stop the transportation of supplies from Belarus to Ukraine to Russia, so this action may be related to Ukraine.
In all likelihood, we should wait and see how things go for a while since the information is so mixed.📺💻👀
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Thanks for sharing.
Lukashenka can't commit to the war with his BFF Putin due to the high chance that of massive refusal and desertion of the Belarusian soldiers.
Let's hope that Belarus can get rid of their dictator as well very soon.
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Facebook removes ‘deepfake’ of Ukrainian President Zelenskyy - The Verge
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/16/22981806/facebook-removes-deepfake-ukraine-zelenskyy-meta-instagram
It seems that Ukraine's news channel has been hacked and the Ukrainian president has appeared to say and do things that encourage surrender in Deepfake.
This is a story that shows that unless multiple sources of information can be confirmed, it should not be considered as fact.👀
Please keep in mind that account theft can happen suddenly to me and other SG members.
For example, it is possible that you may not be able to confirm that your account has been stolen and are whispering suspicious things about it without your knowledge.
(If you see something obviously malicious, please report it to support. There is no need to report it here in the comments section.) ヾﾉ･Θ･)<No way.
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My apologies if this has already been posted. It's an important interview and one that, I believe, is being largely ignored by media in the USA, in favor of war mongering and nasty partisan politics. When Zelensky says "only dialogue" it's time for the west to listen and do everything in their power to make that happen instead of pushing questionable, nefarious agendas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpmglcRV71Q&ab_channel=VICENews
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No idea where you see the media or the West disregarding a diplomatic solution. It's only pretty obvious that Ukraine is in a better position to negotiate if they can make peace attractive to Putin too. Therefore the sanctions and weapon deliveries.
Not to mention that they already do negotiate. But negotiation doesn't necessarily end in success.Especially with Putin and Lavrov.
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I see it in the media in the USA as I stated. Perhaps media is different in your country. Not sure why you assumed I was referring to sanctions and weapon supplies. I'm not. I'll be more specific - there are a lot of leaders as well as news outlets in my country recklessly calling for a no fly zone over Ukraine. It's stupid and it's scary, and I can only hope it's mere political posturing. Meanwhile, the prevalent attitude of legacy media here leaves very little room for discussion about negotiations. You will only find an interview like this on independent new agencies like Vice.
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True, in the US it's a different matter. People there seem more engaged in why Biden is responsible for the gas prices. Or how Putin wouldn't have dared to attack with Trump around.Or how Hunter Biden would be relevant.
Totally nuts and 100% posturing. And yet there are plenty enough people buying it, just like there are Russians buying Putin's lies.
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Neat how you turned that into something completely different. We were discussing news media and political leaders, but suddenly it's become the general population. But although lower income people are really feeling the pinch with soaring fuel costs and rising inflation, your generalizations are not even remotely true.
https://thehill.com/policy/international/597401-79-percent-of-americans-back-russian-oil-ban-poll
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/most-americans-back-russian-oil-sanctions-even-with-soaring-gas-prices-polls
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-sanctions-gas-prices-opinion-poll-2022-03-13/
Plenty more if you care to google it. I don't pretend to be well informed about current opinion in Germany, turns out you are not well informed about my country either.
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Hm? I didn't claim that all of the population in general is buying it. But enough people do, otherwise these politicians wouldn't have succeeded feeding them such stories for many years.
And most of all my reply was about how some use the war for their agenda, helping Ukraine is an afterthought.
My impression is that one party in the US is 99% focused on how this war can help them. Demanding a no-fly zone is just another part of that.
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Don't fall for the troll. 'She' is not from the US.
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Seriously, why would you say that? We are just having a debate here. I am from the US and I am a "she" (what does that even have to do with anything?).
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People there implies pretty much everyone unless you qualify it with a word like "some". But if you want to walk that back a bit, I'm fine with it. Problem is, our politicians talk a lot of shit on both sides - that doesn't mean that Americans necessarily buy it, or that we don't understand that stories are being recycled and repurposed in order to manipulate us. The corruption allegations surrounding Hunter Biden are, in fact true, and the right uses it to attack the left whenever they can. But you are correct, it's not relevant to the current situation. Rising energy costs and inflation in the US have been going on for many months before the outbreak of this war, and yes, it can be argued that that is the responsibility of the current administration. But I just demonstrated to you that the majority of Americans put that aside in order to support Ukraine and you don't even acknowledge it.
Please don't be deceived, both parties in the US are largely corrupt and working for themselves and their donors.
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I don't have to "walk that back", as I wrote "and yet there are plenty enough people" in my initial comment which obviously enough isn't a generalization claiming that everyone would be falling for that.
And that indeed (too) many buy made up stories could be witnessed multiple times in recent years. Most famously displayed in this.
Your problem to either understand my words or to accept the existence of so many minds with a problematic relation to truth and facts isn't my fault.
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It's odd that you bring up the no-fly zone that way in your argument that we should listen to Zelensky. Because he has been asking for the no-fly zone continuously.
In my country the no-fly zone comes up in the news either when Ukraine asks for it or as short filler news about some random US newspaper calling for it or conducting a poll on it. I'd hope it's just posturing, a show of support of sorts. The Biden admin and NATO as a whole seems adamant that it's not an option at all so I wouldn't worry about it too much for now.
The negotiations are featured heavily in the news over here but with a rather pessimist attitude, as in a deal seems to be very far away. To be honest at this point I find it more likely that the active phase of the war will end with an uneasy ceasefire than with a peace treaty. I'd be surprised if Ukraine was willing to officially sign away parts of their country.
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I was aware he asked NATO for a no fly zone 2 weeks ago, but not that his requests have been continuous. In this more recent interview his tone seems different and more considered. I did just watch his address to US Congress that he made yesterday and while he asks again, he also proposes alternatives such as additional ground to air armaments and fighter aircraft. Seems reasonable, except that for reasons I don't comprehend the transfer of US built aircraft to Ukraine is considered highly problematic.
It seems there is a ray of hope for the negotiations quite recently though.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/16/russia-says-parts-of-a-ukraine-compromise-deal-are-close
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60785754
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