https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/blasts-occurred-near-nord-stream-gas-leaks-seismologist-tells-svt-2022-09-27/
Explosions in the north stream gas pipes.
Accident or sabotage....
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https://www.mk.ru/politics/2022/09/27/diversiya-v-otnoshenii-severnogo-potoka-kto-mog-podorvat-truby-na-dne.html
https://www.ng.ru/economics/2022-09-27/1_8550_sabotage.html
https://russian.rt.com/business/article/1054009-gaz-ceny-chp-severnyi-potok
https://www.m24.ru/news/proisshestviya/27092022/505861
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/27/09/2022/63331d879a79474f05581731
https://iz.ru/1402034/2022-09-27/shvedskaia-politciia-nachala-rassledovanie-sabotazha-na-severnom-potoke
90% are inclined to sabotage, and the timing is very good. Even if there was an opportunity to launch these flows, and the conversation was about this and prices, as you can see, went down, then the destruction of the pipe (one of them is new and this is Nord Stream 2) makes it impossible to do this and immediately prices go up. Here someone very much does not want prices to go down, they are interested in high prices that are killing the glass and steel industry in Europe.
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If it's sabotage, it's Russia behind it, to put pressure on the West. Russia could threaten to target Norway's pipelines.
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It makes sense to break your pipelines, which already do not pump gas. If they do not want to pump, they will calmly find the reason. See who is more profitable. At first glance, there are still 3 options, but I do not have all the data and I will not make an unfounded accusation.
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If it's sabotage. The only ones who could benefit are Russia, Ukraine or the USA. It won't be Ukraine as they don't have the capabilities.
It could be Russia to get out of current contracts, or maybe just want to distract and blame someone for something.
It could be the USA because it benefits them in liquid gas and they want the EU to completely get rid of Russian gas. (so do I, but I didn't do it :P)
But it could also be an accident. It is all speculation of course....
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Мінреінтеграції: Як громадянам України виїхати з ТОТ через Грузію, Азербайджан та Казахстан | Кабінет Міністрів України
https://www.kmu.gov.ua/news/minreintehratsii-iak-hromadianam-ukrainy-vyikhaty-z-tot-cherez-hruziiu-azerbaidzhan-ta-kazakhstan
Як громадянам України виїхати з ТОТ через Грузію, Азербайджан та Казахстан | Міністерство з питань реінтеграції тимчасово окупованих територій України
https://minre.gov.ua/news/yak-gromadyanam-ukrayiny-vyyihaty-z-tot-cherez-gruziyu-azerbaydzhan-ta-kazahstan
Ministry of Reintegration: How Ukrainian citizens can leave the TOT via Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan | Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine
How Ukrainian citizens can leave the TOT through Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan | Ministry of Reintegration of the Temporarily Occupied Territories of Ukraine
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Putin’s Troops Mobilization Hits Russia’s Economy in Its Weak Spots - Bloomberg
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-27/putin-s-mobilization-hits-russia-s-economy-in-its-weak-spots
And the economy is about to be in trouble in October, as the Russian government had clearly stated in advance.
It seems to me that things could be moving in a big way soon.
Hopefully for the better.
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It is just "icing on the cake" for their economy. Well, more the other way around. Russia doesn't instantly feel it economically. But in long term the sanctions and their reputation will be devastating on economic level. On short term they can stabilize it artificially.
When this horror war is finally over and things stabilize people will be able to see that Russia will be bankrupt for decades and in the near future it won't get any better because the sanctions stay.
I do feel for the innocent Russian civilians who don't like the genocide. They will be hit as well while they don't have anything to do with it.
For people like cement I am willing to write an hour long "hahaha" msg when it strikes though. And make a youtube video where I trade rubles for monopoly money.
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Frankly, even the Minister of the Russian economy is even suggesting it in the bits and pieces that are coming out....
I wouldn't be surprised if Russia lends out territory to China for 99 years to pay off its debt.
Ideally, they would return the Northern Territories to Japan, but they will use the return as an excuse to lie and take money from us again.
(a path they have already taken once).
They have boiled us dry many times in the development of Sakhalin's natural resources.
The next Russia will not be able to recover from the state of credit [in which no one invests].
It will be impossible to maintain except when the name of the country changes or when the current territory is torn apart.
I am more concerned about whether there is an environment on earth where people can relearn how to live properly as a human being than about living in Russia.
In the next Russia, it will be understood that indifference to politics creates the tragedy of this situation.
However, if it seems that only a few rich people will run for office, the next Putin will be a clone.
The rest of the world will demand compensation until it becomes futile to live in Russia, if only a clone will appear.
If I were a Russian who had fallen into the darkness, I might start a new religious organization and take all the remaining wealth while claiming to save the Russian people and guaranteeing them a place in heaven.
I think there may have already been someone in Moscow who would have said that.⛪
In any case, I pray that damnation will fall on the wicked religious people.⚡🛸⚡
(Regardless of one's religious beliefs, those who cheat and exploit others need to be punished in some way.)
Times when a meal can be maintained even if the economy is in trouble.
Nowadays, that is in jeopardy. We have become a troubled planet.💸
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An indicator of how you can beautifully present the appeal of 300,000 and that there will be a fall. I wonder how much 300,000 from 145478,000 will be? If you don't understand, then I'm talking about the population.
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good you're talking about the population and the draft, when everybody else talks about the economy
cement on point again NOT
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Actually, I gave you the figures of the entire population and the figures of those who will be called. And he offered to see how much it would be as a percentage of the entire population. The fall is supposed to be by 5%, but at the same time, no one will plunder enterprises, or are news agencies silent about this? Some of those who can be called have deferrals not because of illness (some are just ready to go if ordered, due to the fact that volunteers have already gone, and are still going), but precisely in connection with professional activities. If 4 people are needed in production, then they will not be allowed anywhere, if there are not 5 or more of them, here they can choose from them. And if they are taken away from the service sector, then this will have little effect on the real standard of living.
And as you can understand, no one thinks of lifting sanctions until such a country as the Russian Federation becomes, then they will cease to operate. Well, here already who has more strength and who has gained more fat, as well as how to use what he has in reality.
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You clearly didn't read what I wrote. I said that the 300 000 was only icing on the cake. It's only a small percentage of t he economic recession that is about to come. So we totally agree, the 300 000 and the hundreds of thousands that are fleeing the country won't make that much of an impact on the economy. It mostly only impacts the opinion of the innocent Russian civilian about Putin.
But it still sucks that the innocent Russian civilian will only have conscripted dead family members and monopoly money left. And their children's children will inherit only monopoly money too. They don't deserve it... You do though... Actually with such a big mouth you deserve to be at the front.
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Well, there is a slight inaccuracy here. Only those who have left the country leave the GDP, and not these 300,000, they are just included in the GDP. No one cleaned up the supply, there are just those who supply, then they even need to supply more. And oddly enough, but the main (not all) contingent of those fleeing is bloggers or managers from the service sector. Those who are connected with production, then they do not think to run. And those who can afford to spend 300 US dollars a month quietly only on the accommodation itself in hotels or houses are fleeing, but you can try earlier it was agreed for 200, but now in connection with the request, it will already be 500. As an option, those who have already bought foreign real estate. Perhaps some of those who are not ready for such spending are going and are thinking of earning on the spot, but after receiving 500 GEL (if you're lucky, and so about 100), then they will immediately understand that there will be another level, and it will be more difficult to return to what they are used to (45000-50000 rubles is about 2200-2500 and this is several times more than what they receive), and if a lot of people come, then the salaries of those who arrived will fall (as in Poland, when Ukrainians arrived there, as there is already a post about in this discussion).
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I seriously have no idea what you just wrote... What are you talking about? Is this google translate or something? Do you know what paragraphs are?
I need an English subtitle...
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of course he's using a translator, didn't you read all the mumbo jumboing he wrote before, and his changing of topics is also caused by this, because most of the time he doesn't even get what we're talking about, like this time, he's going on and on talking about the draft and about those who fled the country, like this is his personal blog, when i already told him, that the talk was about the economy
and he's always nitpicking on small inaccuracies, which doesn't even change the nature of the news and wouldn't add anything to the discussion
it's like making a fuss about a typo and deflecting and inflating the whole discussion about it
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Perhaps because it is written about the fact that the 5th column is pulling out of the country, and does not want to rock the boat. Well, this is the 5th column, those who are ready to make changes do not always go there, it happens that they go there for fame and money. Well, someone hoped that changes would be made in Russia, and they decided to dump. And so it also applies to the economy. I will lose a little, or rather I will not lose anything at all if there are not 5 groomers for dogs, but only 3. And if video bloggers showing how they drive cars on public roads in violation of traffic rules become not 3, but 1 or even 0, then very few people will lose. And so the post was about the fact that GDP is made up of all expenses and payments, and if there is less money in the service sector, then in the sphere with material goods (Washing machine, TV, and the same car) the situation will not really change.That's the whole point of the message about the sagging economy. Yes, the service sector is smaller, but from 75 to 90% will not really notice it.
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Thats a quit confident statement that you wont miss the ones who leave. Who said only dog groomers and aggressive drivers will be leaving?
think more mechanics, factory workers, security guards, cashiers. People that are needed for economy to work.
Maybe so that the numbers of people leaving wont influence much. But don't be so cocky - with the amounts of men sent to frontlines together with those who leave the country it could prove to be damaging to economy in the end. 300k conscripts btw wasn't even an official number. The real one is most likely higher. Not to even talk about those who are leaving, breaking bones and being arrested for protesting. Its a shitshow and its not good for your countries health.
You should defend the practices of kremlin less and hope for a leader who wont plunge you into economical and political downwards spiral. Why are you so keen on trying to portray the bad stuff in favor of russia? Its bad and it wont change while putler is in power. Why dont you actually work towards having a normal democratic country instead of propagating its lies
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think more mechanics, factory workers, security guards, cashiers. People that are needed for economy to work.
And they didn't even think of leaving, unless the cashiers. It makes sense for them to leave, half of them are tied to the military-industrial complex, and they won't really let them pick them up there. Or it's in the news that was written in Europe, they didn't say, well, it was written in the Russian news. I posted the links. https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/GCLxDGs
But don't be so cocky - with the amounts of men sent to frontlines together with those who leave the country it could prove to be damaging to economy in the end. 300k conscripts btw wasn't even an official number. The real one is most likely higher. Not to even talk about those who are leaving, breaking bones and being arrested for protesting. Its a shitshow and its not good for your countries health.
And how many were sent before that. Official data in 150,000. But at the current mobilization there is still a figure of 300,000, no one has increased it. Regarding the fact that they row more (the same post and there it is also there), then it is already how the military commissar decides to act, there are also excesses on the ground, but at the same time filtration is carried out at the selection points. Age, illness, they check it and send it back, although sometimes they decide to send it further. And so it is not worth the task to gather everyone within one week (they want to, but it will not always work) and that's just how this mobilization will take place, then they will understand how to make it better. It turned out to be combat training. Well, those who break bones and protest, will they take part in the development of the country or do you think they will not be forced to work in prison? The salary is less, and the work is the same or even more. But those who have left, then they will not make fighters out of them.
Why dont you actually work towards having a normal democratic country instead of propagating its lies
I'm sorry, but first find out what democracy is. The entire European Union is governed by a lady who has been appointed as a manager, although the EU is considered a democracy. Moreover, the lady was not chosen, but she was simply appointed. So the general democracy or the democracy of the elect. And then in the Russian Federation, oddly enough, but the elections of the government are completely democratic. The president is chosen by the people. From ancient Greek: δημοκρατία, Latinized: dēmokratía, dēmos "people" and kratos "rule". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
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And then in the Russian Federation, oddly enough, but the elections of the government are completely democratic.
Let's have a moment of silence. And then laugh our asses off from this naïve view you have. It has never been a democracy and never will be. Kremlin will be ruled by whoever takes over after putler and you will never see honest elections or growth of Russia. Unless the next dictator will decide to make Russia prosper. But sadly we know those cunts only care for power. money and influence. None of which coincide with building up democratic and fare country.
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And how is it then that in this model democracy not even the minimum standards of democratic elections can be guaranteed in the sham referendums and demonstrations are violently suppressed?
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Ha :D I really have no idea how you can understand him so easily. I read his text 3 times.
All I understood was...
The 5th column is leaving, so evil dog groomers drive the dogs dangerously to a magic sphere. The dogs will be put in a washing machine while watching TV. The magic sphere solves the economic crisis and wins the war that way.
Of course the dog groomers are filming it for youtube to show the Russian population the "truth" about their magic sphere, so their economy is safe and the war is according to plan.
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you forgot the passage where he wrote that russia will change to a dump
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Maybe the dumps the dogs left in the washing machines? Russia will be a winning dog poop?
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A bit like his previous strategy of deflecting constantly. Now it seems he is trying to bloat up the discussion so more people have something to answer to him. Maybe trying to get more rubles from kremlin for shitposting more and getting higher reactions from others.
But to answer your question - I just read between the lines and try to ignore his ramblings that have no point. I don't think he fully understand what we write either. He's just spamming basically.
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Exactly this^ Just ingore his ramblings. No answers - no spam from him =)
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Yup, of course.. My fingers just itch so much sometimes I can't help it :D
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idk, if i use Google Translator the results are actually quite good, maybe he translates his text back and forth 10 times to spice it up with his mumbo jumbo signature
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Literally nobody in Putin's Russia doesn't give a crap about its economy already
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Emma Burrows on Twitter: "Near the Georgia border crossing into Russia, protesters are playing the Ukrainian national anthem and trolling the Russians who are leaving. ‘In surveys, most of you support the war. So why now are you leaving?’ reads the sign carried by the man draped in the Ukraine flag. " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/EJ_Burrows/status/1575088619643375616
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The Russians who received these protests were..
The Russians who escape the country will make up their minds that the next time they return to Russia, they will never make Putin again.
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The adage 'A fault confessed is half redressed' won't work in his case.
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[VIDEO] - Russian officer talking to the newly mobilized. The officer asks them to get their own sleeping bags. There are no more medical supplies, the officer advises looting the cars for first aid kits. Even better, to stop the bleeding, they need tampons, which of course are not provided, they should ask their relatives to buy them. Whew!
[VIDEO] - Russian soldier from the 1st Tank Regiment saying there will be absolutely no training for them until they are sent to Kherson on the 29th.
[VIDEO] - Ukraine already capturing first mobilized Russian troops. Man in the video claims he was mobilized on September 21st.
Useful tips for Russian soldiers (relatives can also call) - TO SURRENDER call +38 066 580 34 98 and +38 093 119 29 84 - On Telegram, https://t.me/s/hochu_zhyt
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I'll add two more.
Regiment commander explains the situation they are in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VboMvU8T7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvhC7Cmkq9M (with EN subtitles)
What the Russian army really looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEi8CYofHMc
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What a "shocking" surprise - 99% vote in favor for joining Russia. Looks like those pathetic morons haven't even learned how to believably fake a referendum. And of course that dog medvedev keeps on yapping about this as well. Death to those who made the referendums happen.
I do hope wholeheartedly that west will not give in to putler if he decides to say "we keep the territories and we end the conflict".
Food for thought - It is speculated that USA could be planning to annihilate russias black sea fleet if it decides to use nuclear weapons in UA. And with conventional weapons instead of using nuclear weapons. But if USA has shifted their attitude towards seriously putting putler on his knees they probably have way more elaborate plan which involves crippling russia way more then just taking out a fleet. putler is sad pathetic thug - he only knows aggression and he only respects power. He sees compromise as weakness - that has been clear over the years. Now that USA has put them on the spot about using nuclear weapons in UA, it will be interesting to see if putler is seriously that mentally ill that he still thinks west is bluffing or will he finally give in. If he gives in and UA will be able to free occupied territory, this could potentially turn into an even longer conflict. But if it does not escalate in coming days or weeks, I believe winter could actually do to Russia what it did to nazis in WW2. You can't go in unprepared in winter time. There is literally zero chance of providing winter supplies for russian forces in UA with the level of preparedness they have right now.
Going to be few interesting days - with referendums finishing and USA and RUS again being at each others throats ... who will give in.. Many will die if Russia gets its way despite USA bluffing or not. Even if USA is able to cripple russia so much it cant do anything, the first hits on UA will cost way too many lives. If that happens - Russia has no future. I believe even China would grab a piece of that land after kremlin would be taken apart for committing such a crime. So lets hope that even with how degenerate kremlin is, they realize that any escalation towards using nuclear weapons would mean disastrous changes in political landscape.
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Votes that do not match the 90%+ approval or the total population of the area are just as harmful as "brain delusion".🧠
If it is just a council of little Putins in his head, then there are no earthlings and the Putin aliens are in control of the Russian government.
I am not saying that Putin should be dealt with.
Just put him in "frozen hibernation" next to Lenin at the expense of the Russian taxpayers.
On his coffin, it should read "Putin's ideal Russia as he dreamed of it".🧊⚰⚰🧊
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Wow 99%, I am shocked too. What a "victory" for Russia. Its almost unbelievable..... (forget the "almost" part)
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But if it does not escalate in coming days or weeks, I believe winter could actually do to Russia what it did to nazis in WW2. You can't go in unprepared in winter time. There is literally zero chance of providing winter supplies for russian forces in UA with the level of preparedness they have right now.
And what can she do? I'm turning on the air conditioner now in order to lower the temperature in the apartment, otherwise it's quite hot. 26 degrees. Well, I won't turn on the air conditioner, I'll sit and sweat.Whether there are resources or not. Usually those who mine have the resources. The question is not in supplies, here they are just there or quilted jackets are not very long and sewn (Navalny (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny) will help in this and will make not 3 quilted jackets, but 10), but just there will be only difficulties with transportation (logistics), but it can also be solved. If we look at history, the Wehrmacht did not plan to fight in winter, they had a parade on Red Square on November 7.
If that happens - Russia has no future
If that happens - World has no future. It would be more correct this way. And then who will have time to apply more and who hits more accurately. But it will affect the whole world. Perhaps some countries will secretly want to solve their problems with their neighbors.
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Deal with it. World can live easily without Russia. You don't manufacture anything, your contribution to business is non existent, to science non existent. Only thing you do is oppress neighbors and blackmail the world with resources. But obviously we will find alternatives. And in hypothetical scenario of Russia seizing to exist there will be someone to take over.
So world would absolutely never end just because Russia wouldn't exist. Sorry to burst your bubble but Russia is "superpower" only due to resources and land. And all that is only a problem for the rest of the world as you hold these recourses not us. Putler had made an image of Russia being strong military power - which was a lie. He is pathetic sad subhuman and your military is a laughingstock. What exactly in this makes the world dependent on Russia?
I just love Russian confidence. China would eat you up first chance they get. Don't consider them your friends. And don't get your nickers in a twist - this is not some hate speech or call for destruction of Russia. If you are so bold to claim world would end, I will be just as bold in how you are seen by the world.
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А где все русские патриоты проебались? Один умственно неполноценный цемент остался отдуваться... остальные уже грузинский учат? Гамарджоба, батоны!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRgWBN8yt_E
Не до игрушек внезапно стало да? А еще полгода назад горько плакались, как стим жесток - "не хочет наших денег")))
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Ну тут 90% того, что электронный переводчик не всегда может передать все нюансы о чём я хочу сообщить, хотя и в части вопросов плаваю, но остальные ушли в связи с тем, что есть тут у части пользователей особые привилегии (показывать пальцем не буду) и для того, чтобы не получить перманентный бан, то и перестают писать. Возможно в этом причина, возможно их как раз призвали.
А так все давно уже поняли, что это тема описано вот в этом посте https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/waSlhMI и смысла тут сидеть нет. Я и то тут стал только бывать набегами, меня больше Fallout 76 сейчас волнует.
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...а возможно ты ссышь на даче у дяди друга и спать не можешь по ночам, хуй тебя знает...
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if you point to that reply and agree with the statements made there you seem to suffer from a severe loss of reality
i already wrote it in my reply, that this thread is named accordingly and isn't a RAT (russian awareness thread)
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This isn't a Ukraine awareness thread it is a Pro Ukraine propaganda circle jerk.
Was ist hier nicht wahr?
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as i said, the thread is named so, so saying it isn't it, well it's just dumb
secondly, we share a lot of information here, not only from ukrainian sources, but i already said this before, you call everything, which doesn't align with russian propaganda, western propaganda, like it's a big conspiracy against russia and the whole world is telling lies and russia is the only one telling the truth, that's not sane thinking
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С каких пор твоё пропутинское говно называется нюансами? Ну и тайна того, почему невозможно понять твои высеры, тоже раскрыта. Обрати, что ли, внимание на субстанцию, в которой ты плаваешь, ыксперт
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Не принятие. Понимаю. Вспомним подъём флага на Змеином острове. Сперва оказалось, что флаг сбросили с вертолёта, но его ни кто не вешал, хотя все украинские медиа написали про то, что его повесили (по поводу того, что флаг бросили, то тут уже я очень недоволен, это просто халатное обращение с символом страны, флаг нельзя бросать, в особенности своей страны, тому кто это сделал, то трибунал по нему плачет, показал своё неуважение к стране), после опять медиа украинские писали, что при установке флага были уничтожены многие вооружения противника, на что опять идёт вопрос, а в кого стреляли, если там никого не было, может тут решили свою технику так списать. Вот это и есть нюансы.
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Господи, кому не похуй? На твои попытки перевести внимание на эти твои "нюансы" всем насрать, никто на это не ведётся. Успокойся уже, юродивый
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funny you mention Snake Island again, it doesn't matter, if the flag was hung or thrown, the flag was on the island as a symbol, that it was retaken, which was the core of the news, you pointing out nuances didn't change anything to that
like making a fuss about a typo
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it doesn't matter, if the flag was hung or thrown
It is very important to relate to the symbols of power, and the flag is one of the symbols of power. If you don't respect the symbols of power, then you don't respect the country. I just wrote this in addition.
As it was, I had nothing against the fact that the Flag was hoisted over the island again.
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you're making up things again, it's not important in this case, no one was harmed and you were literally the only one making a fuss about it
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nord-stream-hit-russia-ratchets-171706014.html
Gas prices jumped on the suspected sabotage and rose further after Gazprom warned that the flows through Ukraine were also at risk because of a legal spat. If Ukraine flows are halted, western Europe would be cut off, leaving just the TurkStream pipeline sending gas to Turkey and small European neighbors still friendly with Russia.
I mean it's rather clear that Russia has been the one to damage the pipelines. It will be most likely used as another political weapon to leave UA for Russia in turn to resume flow through Ukraine. They always need a reason to lie.. something to try to build on... What better option then an actually downed pipeline.... unfortunately for them no one believes Russia anymore. So if they claim they are looking for saboteur - it was themselves who did it.
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Have you read this message https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/56myucx . True, they forgot to write Poland there, they also have good prospects in connection with the destruction of the pipe, due to the fact that there is an LNG receiving terminal and the Baltic Pipe has just been opened. https://www.newsweek.com/putin-only-needed-nord-stream-pipeline-blackmail-war-eu-official-1746851 https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova/3812 The question about which was asked by the official representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova in connection with this message from the Polish MEP, ex-Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski. The point of Russia is to ruin the gas pipeline. And so people are already discussing there in order to write a petition and turn to Kaliningrad on the traverse of Kaliningrad "Nord Stream -2". Here the supply of Kaliningrad will be good and it will be possible not to look at the continuation of this show. And so if it is necessary not to supply gas through it, then it can be done in other ways, and one showed. Turbines need to be repaired and until there is no repair, then there will be no pumping. And you can repair it for a long time or for a very long time. You can always find flaws if you want to find them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX7G3wIzBhs English, though the subtitles are Russian and this is a small cut from a large interview. Just for information.
Small additions and corrections
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Russia is behind this sabotage, to say that no pipeline is safe, to put pressure on the West. The sabotage occured one day after Poland and Norway opened the alternative Baltic Pipe running through Denmark, it is not a coincidence. Russia threatens to sabotage Norway's pipelines.
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And who sailed nearby and conducted military exercises, can you tell me which fleet?
https://seapowermagazine.org/baltops-22-a-perfect-opportunity-for-research-and-resting-new-technology/ Just for information.
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The story is from June so it is hard to say. Do you have anything showing which fleets were in the area?
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No, there is a question about the USS Kearsarge (LHD 3), which entered the port of Gdynia on about September 14 or 15, 2022 https://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/wydarzenia/artykuly/8536907,uss-guston-hall-uss-kearsarge-marynarka-wojenna-usa-gdansk-gdynia-porty-rosja-wojna.html , and then went to Klaipeda, where he arrived on August 21, 2022 https://news.usni.org/2022/09/26/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-sept-26-2022 from which Sikorsky MH-60S helicopters with the call sign FFAB123 took off and flew 2 September over the gas pipeline. According to the website http://ads-b.nl , this call sign was used by 6 boards that day, of which we managed to establish the side numbers of three. All of them are Sikorsky MH-60S.
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Interesting the Polish new reports on the US Navy and then came out and said they think the US blew up the pipeline. Thank you for taking the time to answer me.
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Another day in Russia - Russian activist beaten and then raped with dumbbells by Russian police. His girlfriend had her face and mouth covered with stickers and superglue, she was kicked and groped and she was threatened with gang rape. The police showed the girlfriend the video of the abuse on the activist. The police also stole $600 from their apartment.
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-anti-ukraine-war-protester-raped-police-moscowreport-1746662
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/09/27/poet-artem-kamardin-arrested-and-raped-for-reading-anti-war-poetry
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Stop referring Medusa to the Russian media. It is not true. 100% of this company belongs to Medusa Project SEA, which is from Latvia, yes Medusa Project SEA belongs to Timchenko, but the company is registered in Latvia, which just publishes this newspaper (magazine). These are Latvian media that broadcast to Russia as well.
It's all there in the financial statements, which is available to everyone, if anyone wants to check, they can easily do it. https://tadviser.com/index.php/Company:Meduza.io_(Medusa_Project)
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You just get so excited any time this "Latvian" media gets mentioned. You must love them.
Just FIY it's reported by other news sites as well and being talked about on the internet. Live with it - Russian police and military are horrible.
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It bothers me when they call themselves "Russian" media, if they called themselves Latvian media, then I wouldn't pay attention to it. You can also read on occasion, there have been interesting articles. And so I'm not against the news, I'm against the fact that this agency is positioned as "Russian" media. Although if they come out with that. that they are Latvian media, then they will not be quoted very much right away.
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Because it is Russian media.
They are seeking refuge here because your super democratic country is oppressing them for posting views.
As you can see in Latvia we don't silence media for having one view or the other.
And it certainly doesn't mean it's Latvian media. And at this point I truly can't figure out if you are purposively writing incorrect and provocative comments just to get responses or do you truly believe what you are saying.....
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https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/xNrrTQG Legal subtleties.
It's just that everyone thinks that Medusa is one, in fact there are two of them, and that's just because of the peculiarities of creation and it's not possible to get it. If there was one, then it can still be arranged somehow, but not at the moment.
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Medusa IO, which is just broadcasting, then it is completely owned by a legal entity from Latvia.
do you have proof for this?
i can't even find sources, which differs between Meduza and Medusa IO
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https://adindex.ru/news/media/2014/08/27/114237.phtml
In June 2014, Galina Timchenko, the former editor-in-chief of the largest Russian news Internet resource, established Medusa Project SIA in Latvia. This is evidenced by the data of the Latvian commercial register. Timchenko confirmed to Izvestia that she was the sole owner of.
In July 2014, Medusa registered with the Riga tax, and in August began recruiting staff at Latvian recruiting portals - in a new Russian-language online media.
The authorized capital of Medusa Project SIA is €2.8 thousand. SIA is an analogue of Russian LLC, the announced authorized capital must be paid immediately by at least 50%, another 50% must be paid within a year after registration. The only owner of Medusa Project with a 100 percent share is a citizen of the Russian Federation Galina Timchenko. In July, the company registered as a taxpayer in a residential building (34A Dzirnavu Street, apartment 12A) in the Central District of Riga, Riga people like to call it quiet; nearby, by the way, the Russian consulate.
The area of apartments in house 34A on Dzirnavu Street reaches two hundred square meters, so it is possible that the editorial office will work here - interviewed Riga realtors said that offices are often located in apartment buildings in this area, this is a common practice. Timchenko refused to explain whether the editors of the new publication will work at this address. When asked who owns the apartment, whether it will rent them, the interlocutor was also sharp: "It's not your business, it's a private story."
https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/dayvFcJ It's here too. By the link. That's just the bracket does not want to interpret correctly, it has to be put.
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that's not the proof i asked about, are you spamming again?
you spoke about an entity from Latvia
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Stop referring Meduza to latvian media, it's not true.
Meduza was founded in 2014 by a group of former employees of the then-independent Lenta.ru news website
Timchenko told Forbes that the decision to base Meduza in Latvia was made since "right now, establishing an independent Russian language publishing house in Latvia is possible, while in Russia it is not"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meduza
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Which is not true. Yes, this lady registered this online publication in Latvia through the formation of a legal entity with its registration in Latvia. This is all available in accordance with the submitted audit (I hope you read the article at the link). As you said earlier, https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/QJ21qHV then if the founder is from a certain country, then these media, even if they broadcast to another country, belong to the country from which the founder is. Or Deutsche Welle is Germany with a founder from Germany, but Meduza is already Russian, although the founder is from Latvia.
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Don't tell us it's untrue, when you are the one who don't want it to be true.
I know truth and reality hits hard
but Meduza is already Russian, although the founder is from Latvia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galina_Timchenko
Moscow is in Latvia? Didn't knew this
and it's not even about the founder herself, there was a bunch of former lenta.ru journalists involved in the founding
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Don't tell us it's untrue, when you are the one who don't want it to be true.
I know truth and reality hits hard
And do not confuse. Medusa Project SEA belongs to her, which is registered in Latvia, but just the online publication belongs to Medusa Project SEA, that is, she owns a holding company that owns the house from which the broadcasting is going on and a subsidiary that is just engaged in broadcasting. Medusa IO, which is just broadcasting, then it is completely owned by a legal entity from Latvia.
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i think you are the one, who's confused here.
LIDL went to Britain and registered their business there, according to your logic LIDL is now a british enterprise
disproven and embarrassed cement again, easy one
Medusa Project SEA belongs to her, which is registered in Latvia, but just the online publication belongs to Medusa Project SEA
and you deflect again with Meduza IO, only links from the online publication were shared and even Wikipedia names it as a russian enterprise, don't bent and twist things until they fit your narrative
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"It's funny. Nobody voted, yet the results are in," laughed Lyubomir Boyko, 43, from Golo Pristan, a village in Russian-occupied Kherson province as he waited on Wednesday outside a United Nations aid office with his family at a refugee reception centre.
Horrible. Those who had left where threatened at gun point to vote for joining. Just fucked up.
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I can't find other sources of this story as it is just a reprint of the Reuters story. Without more sources it is impossible to verify the story. No picture of the people and no way to prove they exist.
At least Russia let them leave which is good.
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Of course as always no need to take everything at face value. Articles can be wrong as well. I just don't see the point in adding such a reference to each comment.
But as for counting votes at gun point - that has been reported since beginning of referendums already by other news sites as well. That the vote gatherers have been accompanied by military and anyone who votes against is noted down by military.
Either way these referendums are a sham and not recognized by anyone. Dissent is not surprising within people living there.
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This is the first time I mentioned not being able to find another source but ok. There is several stories mentioning voting at gunpoint but no proof of it. The source of that information is Ukrainian officials. We need 3rd party neutral reporters in these areas to remove doubt of information coming from Russia and Ukraine.
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There were also videos which clearly show heavily armed gunmen following the women with voting urns. So this is not an exaggeration. Also, the final percentage is telling the same story indirectly.
Problem is, russia doesn't allow real reporters to the places they own - only those who can support "russia's picture". So paid pro-russian "journalists" only.
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The percentage could make sense. The people who didn't flee the area wanted Russia to be in change of the area and the ones who didn't left and didn't vote. They also held a vote 2014 kind of matches with that sentiment.
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Nah, no FAIR democratic elections ever have such numbers, and in such succession (over 99% positive rate in ALL regions? No freaking way). This was a write-up for sure. Also, people in the occupied territories SEE how russians behave, and I highly doubt a lot of them really like this situation.
Yes, there are come collaboratns - but those are usually human trash, jumping at the opportunity to become someone "important", even for a while. Maybe steal some money while they can, too. Others - just try to survive.
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Vote of 2014 was also half-falsified, and there were literally armed gunmen present during the voting. So yes, they are alike, but in one thing only - all these "referendums" were a sham, fake, stupid kids play, trying to force next move for russia.
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No worries. It wasn't targeted at you. Just in general. Of course I agree and encourage looking for verifications and multiple sources.
This specific event will most likely be murky for some time. So I think as far as awareness goes this is interesting point of view as well.
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I don't think I need to say this, but the fact that the voting takes place during the "bombing" and "shooting" period itself shows that there is no legitimacy whatsoever to the vote.
If this were an African country in the midst of "bombing" or "shooting," UN forces would provide security and ensure the fairness of the vote.
This is just another "terrorist" act that threatens the integrity of a territory or state without international consent or neutrality.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/kremlin-decides-not-rush-annexation-165437415.html
Interesting. Kremlin has decided to postpone actual accession for future. Reason being discontent with mobilization efforts and realizing Russian citizens simply don't see the point in doing that.
Seeing how putler likes to be symbolic he probably wants to make these states part of Russia with some big propaganda piece which he will try to use to brainwash citizens even more. Other reasons could involve actually worrying about retaliation from west.
IMO he might be realizing that he simply doesn't have enough forces to keep the territories and simply announcing you have annexed these regions would mean jack shit and most likely create backlash from citizens if he can't enforce what he preaches.
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Seeing how putler likes to be symbolic he probably wants to make these states part of Russia with some big propaganda piece
maybe on Victory day next year
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His birthday is next week. Maybe wants to give it for himself as gift. Feeling down probably with the whole world hating his guts
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i think this will be too early, as you said yourself, if he annexes it now and then another ukrainian counter-offensive happenes he'll be the one, caught with pants down.
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Thanks for the link. It is about 5 yrs out of date and don't ask the important questions. Of course Putin is going to look out for the interest of Russia over other counties, it would be crazy if he didn't. I should clarify by pointing out the increase in trading partners and counties ignoring the western sanctions on business with Russia.
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at least it's something, how about you proof your claims then, that mainly western nations hate Putin?
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increase in trading partners and counties ignoring the western sanctions
Because money. Any more questions?
I mean Qatar has lost zero business or partners over countless allegations of slavery and human rights violations. Same for China.
They are a superpower that holds enormous amounts of resources. Sorry but your comments start to remind me of cement. Uselessly rebutting with open ended statements and rhetorical questions.
PS. if we are talking more seriously - Russia has huge web of illegal dealings going on within neighboring country businesses and governments. The sanctions are ignored mostly by companies that have boards filled with gazprom people or kremlin sponsored businessman. It all looks legit until you start to dig deeper. They have fictional companies between whom they devie the shares so theoretically they dont have major shareholder position, but they get leading vote in background. So its all a dirty political game. But fortunately putler shot in his own leg with the war - these secretly held companies are coming out in the light as ignoring sanctions shine light on wrongdoings and a lot of investigative journalists start to dig deeper. Many companies that people where content with are being ostracized for dealing with Russia. So what you mention is hardly something to take into consideration if we discuss how content the world is with current dictatorship of russia.
PPS. an interesting material about this topic - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMBpbo8Wkwo
Basically Rosneft which is state company has "hired" numerous high standing politicians from west to lobby Russias interests in west. It includes politicians from Austria, Finland, Latvia etc. And payed them 1.5-2 mi a year. Really - how can you say wth a straight face Russia is normal and not hated? Only achievements they have are accomplished by being criminal scum.
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Nord Stream pipelines: European security officials observed Russian Navy ships in vicinity of leaks | CNN Politics
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/28/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-leak-russian-navy-ships/index.html
There was also a recent CNN bulletin about suspected Russian involvement in the gas pipeline.🤔
I don't think the other article had this boat story on it.
Nord Stream: Sweden finds new leak in Russian gas pipeline - BBC News
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63071552
Looks like we have a fourth problem with the gas pipeline.😑
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Whenever something bad happens, Russia is not far away.
It's an educated guess after Bucha, Zaporizhzhia NPP, Izium, ... and so many other things.
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There is a certain incentive for Russia to be the one to suffer if gas becomes cheaper.
(as a way to buy time to keep everyone but Russia from leaving the state of economic crisis)
Well, in terms of timing things, it was time for gas prices to come down.
To the extent that they are going up because of this news, the world's gas companies will probably make up the deficit.
For now, it seems reasonable to assume that it is artificial based on the monitoring logs of various countries.
Let's hope gas prices settle down in less than two weeks and we get more reports about the culprit.
IAE is suspected of trying to obtain excess energy by operating nuclear power plants in Japan as a countermeasure.📝
... Well... ... opportunism... One could say that.
Let's hope that the next time a nuclear accident occurs, humanity will respond in a friendly manner.
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Russia: "Of course we want to restart the pipeline, but we don't have those turbines from Canada."
Canada: "Here are those turbines you wanted fixed."
Russia: "Oh no, someone blew up the pipeline!"
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Just an update on this.
there is direct radar evidence that US military helicopters that are normally based in Gdansk were circling over this area,' Sachs said.
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did you looked up the helicopter model, it's main purpose is antisubmarine warfare, so probably they surveilled a russian submarine who was around
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odd that Wikipedia doesn't covers this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity
and here are articles from a fact checker site, who will disprove your claims:
https://voxukraine.org/en/the-maidan-in-2014-is-a-coup-d-etat-a-review-of-italian-and-german-pro-russian-media/
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/there-was-a-us-led-armed-coup-in-kyiv
and this:
https://bitterwinter.org/myth-of-the-american-coups-in-ukraine-2-2014/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/tbkyn3/i_dont_understand_claims_that_the_us_staged_a/
but you mixmatched the discussions
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brain drain:
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1575351579426922496
doesn't look like dog groomers to me, but i think we all were already aware of this
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Russian emigration following the 2022 invasion of Ukraine
Following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, more than 300,000 Russian citizens and residents are estimated to have left Russia by mid-March 2022, at least 500,000 by the end of August 2022, and more than 800,000 by September 2022 as political refugees and economic migrants, and due to a desire to evade criminal prosecution for opposing the invasion. Aside from fear of being conscripted after president Vladimir Putin's announcement of partial mobilization, those fleeing voiced reasons such as disagreement with the military operation, the uselessness and cruelty of war, sympathy for Ukraine, disagreement with the political roots of the war with Ukraine, the rejection of killing, and an assessment that Russia is no longer the place for their family.
Soon the Russian exodus will reach one million.
It's not just the brains, it's also about 15,000 millionaires who are expected to leave Russia in 2022.
The Russian labor market is losing millions of people, there are those who have fled Russia, but also all those who are needed for the war effort. There is a third category, those who hide to avoid mobilization but remain in Russia. The Russian economy will suffer from the loss of labour.
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It is probably western propaganda. Everybody knows Russia's economy is mostly built on dog groomers and youtubers.
True story...
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A new entry on the 2022 Russian businessmen mystery deaths. Pavlo Pchelnikov, top manager of "Digital Logistics", a Russian Railways subsidiary. Allegedly shot himself on the balcony of his apartment.
Some say he was accused of failing to protect the infrastructure of the Russian Railway network from hackers based in Ukraine, leading to delays in critical supplies getting to Russian troops. That's really mean, I guess the supply guys needed a scapegoat.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-host-kremlin-ceremony-annexing-parts-ukraine-2022-09-29/
23 dead and 28 wounded. All civilians. Moments before putin wants to celebrate occupation and annexation with a concert and another bullshit speech. Well supporters of this war - any more comments on how evil west is to blame here?
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Excerpt from another REUTERS article:
The convoy had been assembling at the car market on the edge of the city of Zaporizhzhia, preparing to leave Ukrainian territory to visit relatives and deliver supplies in an area controlled by Russia, witnesses and Ukrainian officials said.
Car windows were blown out by the impact of the missile strike, and their sides were sprayed by shrapnel, a Reuters witness said.
The number of victims continues to grow.
/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/SK4CY4DQ6RLRVESN7Q7EY4ZV5I.jpg "Russian terrorist attacks continue")
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This morning many Russian military bloggers and propagandists claimed that Ukraine has finally surrounded Lyman cutting off the last escape route to the east last night.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/09/30/russian-troops-encircled-at-lyman-donetsk-oblast-russian-milbloggers/
https://odessa-journal.com/for-the-first-time-in-the-history-of-the-armed-forces-of-ukraine-conducted-a-successful-operation-to-encircle-the-enemy/
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Shame they don't blog about 300.000 drafted ruSSians that have to use menstrual pads and tampons on their wounds because their military has nothing left. Or about their rusted falling apart AKs that sometimes blow up when the ruSSians soldiers try to use them :)
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Only two choices left for Russians in Lyman - Ukrainian official
Russian troops there have asked their superiors to leave the city - but this request was rejected, a senior Ukrainian official says.
Luhansk regional head Serhiy Haidai says the Russian soldiers now have only two choices: to try to break through or surrender.
Haidai adds that almost all withdrawal and ammunition supply routes are now cut off to Lyman.
Up to 5.5 thousand #Russian soldiers may be surrounded in #Lyman, #Donetsk region, said the advisor to the head of the #Ukrainian presidential office, Oleksiy #Arestovych.
It's 1 a.m. in Ukraine and there's a battle underway on the outskirts of Kreminna, Luhansk region.
Advancing Ukrainian troops are turning the Russian retreat from Lyman, Donetsk region, into a rout.
Funny fact, this might be the first time in history a country annexed territory it’s retreating from.
The liberation continues, the sham referendums are useless!
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i've also read somewhere, that the soldiers in Lyman are professional soldiers and not a bunch of conscripts, so this will hurt russia even more, probably the whole north will be deoccupied now
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https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-host-kremlin-ceremony-annexing-parts-ukraine-2022-09-29/
"We will defend our land with all our strength and all our means," he said, calling on "the Kyiv regime to immediately cease hostilities and return to the negotiation table".
After all he did proclaim that the occupied regions are part of Russia and citizens are Russians now. I do have a feeling that he is finally trying to close some deal in face of losses in Lyman.
What a fucking mlunatic. For the love of god I hope west will show middle finger to this scum and he wont go through with his bluff of using nuclear weapons
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Thanks to the Rashist ceremony, new works to enrich Putin's collection of bullshit.
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Putler - "They have made a choice to be with their people, their motherland, to live with its fate, and to triumph with it. Truth is on our side. Russia is with us!"
"People living in Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson region and Zaporizhzhia region are becoming our compatriots forever."
"The people have made their choice," Putler said. "This is the will of millions of people."
"We have become stronger because we are together. With us is the truth, and indeed, the power! And that means victory! Victory will be ours!"
Putler referring to the errors of the West - "For decades, they tried to eradicate the historical consciousness of these people, to destroy their traditions, to forbid them to speak in their native language, to forbid their culture. Nothing worked," ... Putler intends to do all of this against the Ukrainians, and many more, if he succeeds.
About his own sabotage - "Sanctions were not enough for the Anglo-Saxons: they moved on to sabotage. It is hard to believe but it is a fact that they organised the blasts on the Nord Stream international gas pipelines, which run along the bottom of the Baltic Sea ... It is clear to everyone who benefits from this."
A Putler gem - "The dictatorship of the Western elites is directed against all societies, including the peoples of the Western countries themselves. This is a challenge to all. This is a complete denial of humanity, the overthrow of faith and traditional values. Indeed, the suppression of freedom itself has taken on the features of a religion: outright Satanism."
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Liveuamap on Twitter: "Ukraine is submitting an application to join NATO with fast-admission procedure, - President Zelenskyi said following the results of the NSDC meeting #Ukraine " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1575848687338659843
The Kyiv Independent on Twitter: "⚡️BREAKING: Ukraine officially applies for NATO membership." / Twitter
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1575849952290316289
Since Ukraine was about to lose more than 15% of its land by Russia's unilateral declaration, the option of repairing relations with Russia without joining NATO has completely disappeared.
It seems that this intention has been expressed.👀
To be honest, I saw a story that made sense to me when I saw a bit of "Putin's press conference" and replaced what he claimed as "other countries' affairs" with "Russia's affairs".
It feels natural to make this choice if you listen to the less than *** words and actions at the end of such a great war.
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Ukraine joining NATO is the best option for peace. This will put an end to Russian aggression against Ukraine.
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Nine NATO member countries declare their support for Ukraine’s membership in Alliance
Canada also supports Ukraine applying.
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Ukraine forces enter Lyman, Kyiv says Russian troops surrounded
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-encircles-russian-forces-around-lyman-stronghold-military-2022-10-01/
Russia abandons Ukrainian bastion, Putin ally suggests nuclear response
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-encircles-russian-forces-around-lyman-stronghold-military-2022-10-01/
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Russian MoD said that they decided to 'withdraw troops from Lyman and move them to better positions'. But Ukraine says there are still around 5000 soldiers in Lyman defending, so I suppose they have been abandoned by Russia?
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i don't give a shit about what the russian Ministry of Fantasy have to say :D
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POW's
Very useful to have in order to trade them back for your own men.
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does reuters look like ukrainian propaganda to you?
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Yeh, it's weird. If we aren't listening to Russian propaganda, we must be listening to Ukraine propaganda.
It is like they have never heard over liberty, freedom of press and freedom of speech. Everything else is propaganda. They can't imagine that their are many countries that holds a high standard on those morals.
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Of course some media lie.
But you can lower the chances of lies to read an independent press from a country with a high rating of press freedom.
https://rsf.org/en/index
aka, don't read the press from a country that's colored red.
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You understand that the index of freedom of speech and the index of truthful information are completely different things. By freedom of speech, it means that you can write anything, including absolute lies. But under the truthful information, only with confirmed factors, and ideally, the correspondents themselves should be there.
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By freedom of speech, it means that you can write anything, including absolute lies
you're talking BS again, because it's just the other way round, medias in countries with low press freedom and freedom of speech usually are the ones, who spread lies. I won't explain the situation in countries with high press freedom and freedom of speech index to you and the self-respect of the medias there, to report only truthful information and how they would receive flak from all the other medias, if they would report such BS, a thing which is absolutely missing in countries with synchronized and state-owned media, as you constantly fail to understand things outside of the propaganda bubble
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freedom of speech DOESNT mean that you can spread lies and you cant say everything.
you failed on the definition. you dumb fck
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who "they" ? I am from US. And yes - most of the media are propaganda.
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"They" clearly points to the people who believe that if you don't believe Russian state press you must be believing Ukrainian press. Some us of might not believe either an rely on independent press?
I don't understand your confusion... I don't know what you being from the US has anything to do with it.
And yeh, many countries only have propaganda news as you can see on the previous link with the MANY red countries. It's more than half, so yes I guess you can say "most" or at least "many".
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And why should we believe the Ukrainian press, which has already been caught lying several times? Interfax-Ukraine for example. Just above in this topic there are links to news from them and news from CNN, and they are different.
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why arent you fighting for your home country? you are such a patriot, brave and defending russia everyday on a "gaming" forum!
show your president how strong you are and invade the ukraine together with your brothers!
or.... stay in your basement and spread false information, propaganda and lies on steamgifts
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so you have nothing to say on point you decided to discuss his patriotic sides ?
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what on point? what the fuck do you mean?
sarcasm, ever heard of it brainer?
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We were talking about Ukrainian press lying several times, mr sarcastic. had nothing to say and switched to sarcasm?
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nah mate you are just too dumb to understand sarcasm.
i said already what i meant. you are uneducated and dont understand a single thing. now get lost
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speaking of education, pronoun "I" should be capitalized. )
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You are exactly making my point. Thank you! You might want to read my post again..."if you don't believe Russian state press you must be believing Ukrainian press. Some us of might not believe either an rely on independent press?"
I clearly state I don't trust Russian and Ukrainian press. I only trust independent press from a country with high freedom of press.
Even though I said it literally, you still think because I don't believe Russian press, I musts be believing Ukrainian press.
Thank you for making my case for me.
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the problem is - in many cases our media does not hold the standards you mentioned and simply repeat Ukrainian propaganda. Example - the CNN report below. Big amount of text and at the end "CNN could not independently verify the allegations." Some media don't even bother to mention that.
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If they don't mention it you should watch or read different media.
The media I read mentions both Russian and Ukrainian claims. But it always says if it's verified or not. If it's not verified, I don't trust it. Of course I speculate a bit with myself but I draw no conclusion unless it's verified.
Everybody has the internet here. It is not that hard to find an independent news source.
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Alright, I have to admit I was a bit harsh on one of my statements about propaganda. Anyway, most of our media clearly sided with one opinion and keep pushing that narrative. Would you mind to share media you are reading?
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Pretty much the whole word has the same opinion about this war, but news should still be written objectively with facts.
Sure. nu.nl nrc.nl volkskrant.nl. But I doubt you understand Dutch. :P
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I will use google translate. Actually it will be quite interesting to know opinion from other side of the ocean.
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Sure. But they are no opinions in news articles on those websites.
De comment section is full of them though.
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OK. I believe you, that you are from US and that's why you may be considered as (so called) unbiased observer and one who is not affected by RUS our UKR propaganda.
But hey, judging your steam profile you have only one friend - Klim Filippov (Клим). Is he Russian or Ukrainian guy?
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as far as I know he is from Uzbekistan. Happen to know him from one minecraft server quite awhile ago.
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I see. A lot of Russians (like the guy with name Klim Filippov) scattered all over the word during decades - say to Uzbekistan or US - but still keep supporting fake Russian imperialism and chauvinism. It's so easy to be Russian hooray patriot and spread the love of mother Russia , while staying at that "decaying" West (or East, in case of Uzbekistan), you know.
Hope, you are not one of those.
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you see we mostly played steam games together so I am not sure about his politics opinions.
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Alright, now I get that you taking ruzzia's side at this forum thread is purely coincidence and not related to your ruzzian steam friend.
You are just an ordinary American guy from the outback, who is simply tired of cheeky and cynical Ukrainian propaganda.
Btw, as for your Steam nick name "noob@ss" - what does it mean in English other than it is simply ruzzian slang word "Нубас" written with Latin letters? You are an American, you are saying, right?
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck, my dear ruzzian friend
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Yeah bro, I deliberately switched to US steam to pay more for games. There are two separate words "noob" and "ass" When you combine them you get my nickname. Great work Colombo.
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Should I repeat "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck"?
A lot of ruzzi spread all over the world, like your steam friend Клим, and loves historical motherland remotely.
You do not need to be physically in rizzland to support it's aggression.
Nevermind. So what is the reason of non-ruzzian american like you to support the war waged by ruzzia against Ukraine?
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can you point out where exactly I supported the war? Or it is one of your assumptions again?
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So, let's start step by step.
You: - you prefer Ukrainian propaganda ?
So, you are calling Ukrainian news a PROPAGANDA. What do yo mean? Propaganda is something aimed to brainwash one's minds to force them calling black as white.
What about Ukrainian propaganda worries you the most? Where it's lies lays?
You: - We were talking about Ukrainian press lying several times, mr sarcastic. had nothing to say and switched to sarcasm?
What about that? You said nothing about real ruzzian propaganda called this full scale war and invasion to other country as special military operation. But you are constantly pointing out some mysterious fact of lie of Ukrainian media?
Can you share your findings?
You: -The problem is - in many cases our media does not hold the standards you mentioned and simply repeat Ukrainian propaganda.
And again - the problem lays in the propaganda of country bombed and raped by ruzzians. Of course the troublemakers are those silly Ukrainians and their propaganda.
You: - Sane people prefer getting solid evidence before blaming. Question about your claims. Why then Ukrainians go to Russian controlled territories? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCijBcFdO5M
So, as a proof of Ukrainian propaganda you linked the YouTube video named "Ukrainian families navigate green corridor to Russian-occupied territories".
Ahha!!!! You see!!!! Ukrainians are seeking their salvation in Russian-occupied territories!!!! ( Finally you got your point proofed, and it is clearly depicted in the reportage by CNN!)
You: - Ps: I still have a question why Ukrainians go to Russian controlled territories. Anyone have courage to answer?
You continue enjoying your triumph. No one even dare to deny the fact that Ukrainians actually love ruzzians so much in real!!! Even CNN is stating that, opposing to that ugly Ukrainian propaganda, right?
No. Wrong.
Even despite the English is your native language, not mine, I manage to listen what is all about in this CNN reportage. Why you failed?
So second by second English translation for you:
0-11: Video started with statement that families with possessions and pets are all going to russ-occupied territories.
12-26: complains on mud and blown bridges
27- 35: Ukrainian emergency services doing their best to get people through all that obstacles. (wait what?? Ukrainian emergency services? Rly?)
36-43: Ukrainian officer in Ukrainian language gave some explanations
44-49: About green corridor TO and OUT russ-occupied territories
50-1:03: But it is obvious that the traffic is almost one way these days. Be course about 6000 ppl STUCK on the russ side (in English it means they are not allowed by ruzzian to go to ukr side, just translating you English to English) only 76 crossed.
1:04 - 1:04: many many hundreds went other way (meaning TO russ-occupied territories. So we see 6000 ppl not letting travel to ukr and many hundreds which are driving from ukr without any delays. Still nothing bothers you? )
1:06 - 1:19 Young pal traveling to rus is asked where is he going. To Kherson. Why. Be course my parents are there. Is it dangerous because of ruzzies? I know, but I have to take my parents to Odessa (not occupied ukr city)
1:20 - 1:28 EVERYONE leaving Ukrainian controlled territories are telling us similar thing. They are hoping to come back
1:29 - 1:46 Another dude is driving his mom to pack his grandmother left on occupied territory but may be his mom will stay there with grand mom (it is more or less safe - even ruzzies are mostly not raping grandmas, only kill. I was hesitating to say that or not, but the sister of my wife's grandma was killed by russian shelling. She stayed there, so close to russ-occupied territories to keep the house while the younger rest of the family left. No granny, no house for my relatives to return. Believe me or not,). On the question why he took his young daughter with him, he replies - if they can not return to ukr side (unlike you they are quite aware that ruzzi are not about letting them back) so in case they will stuck on occupied territories he prefer to keep the family not split.
1:47 - 2:00 Dude who is trying to get a profit driving with supplies to the place where the supplies are critically lacking ( to the russ-occupied territories. Strange, why so...)
2:01 - 2:17 Emergency services saying that on normal day they get traffic FROM the occupied territories. Today is different (showing empty road and Ukrainian emergency service trucks on it). Today they (ukr rescuers) understand there will be nobody else coming from ruz side (strange, why?)
2:18 - Ruzzians are blocking so many desperate to leave (I see I need to explain it due your lack of English - leave ruzz occupied territory)
And so on. All your comments on this thread are similar to mentioned above. So, you still do not understand why I counted you as an another ruzzi war supporters on this thread?
P.S. I totally aware that my words will change nothing and you will keep supporting ruzzian waged war
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lol, dude I see you put some effort.
First of all,
you prefer Ukrainian propaganda
If you read carefully later I admitted that my statement was too harsh.
You said nothing about real ruzzian propaganda
Wy would I say anything about something I don't know?
On opposite Ukrainian propaganda is being translated directly to our media. Perfect example: https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-01-22/h_9d5735fdd82f5f1ad5cb3ea4738f77c1
. On the question why he took his young daughter with him, he replies
This is from 1:29 - 1:46. You wrong here. Reporter says he shrugs. Right after that reporter says: If anyone willing to stay on the russian side no one whiling to admit it. You can check it with subtitles.
I see you struggle to admit that some of your fellow Ukrainians are secretly in love with Poo.
I am sorry for your loss. Believe me I truly wish peace to Ukraine.
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This is from 1:29 - 1:46. You wrong here. Reporter says he shrugs. Right after that reporter says: If anyone willing to stay on the russian side no one whiling to admit it. You can check it with subtitles.
Accept your correction. As I said, I'm not English fluent speaker.
But as for the rest - did I give you some clarification on this: "I still have a question why Ukrainians go to Russian controlled territories. Anyone have courage to answer?" And why one have to have COURAGE to answer that - what was on your mind when you mentioned that?
Of course there are a lot of ppl with Ukrainian passports who are fond of ruzzia, hands down. Most of them are the russian remnants, left in Ukraine when Soviet Union collapsed.
They are minority against those Ukrainians who disrespects ruzzia now and willing to fight against it till our victory. (Even judging by that CNN reportage we can so-so compare those quantities)
And as for the news you linked. I've read that article. What's wrong with it? I'm aware about that accident from local papers.
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You did give clarification. My respect for your time and effort.
I mentioned courage because most of the people who I asked questions didn't bother to answer and just went strait up to calling me troll. It looks for me like they have no courage to answer difficult questions. But it is ok.
About CNN article - it might be true it might be not. Because CNN explicitly saying "CNN could not independently verify the allegations." What it means? It means that they got it straight from Ukraine and God knows if it is true or not. Sadly I saw too many fakes from Ukrainian sources, especially at the first days of war. They sort of lost credibility.
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For me it looks OK when any media may publish some foreign (or even internal) news with the reference to it's original source (another media)
But idk why they put that extra disclaimer "CNN could not independently verify the allegations".
Maybe it's be course of the fact how serious subject is - it is about 20 civil ppl including 10 children murdered.
That's why "CNN could not independently verify the allegations" (in my opinion) is about their source explicitly pointing russians as the murderers in this particular case.
It happens in gray area - the area between war sides - and that could possibly be the result of acts of any of the sides.
If any war correspondent of CNN can reach that area, he without doubts (basing on the look of shell craters) find out the strike direction and can witness the guilty side. Without that CNN can rely on the investigation side - it is Ukrainian police forces - so may be just to cover their ass they put that disclaimer.
But I need to declare that Ukrainian side in such cases always bring there a lot of accredited journalist from foreign media to make sure Ukraine will not be insulted as liars.
Sadly I saw too many fakes from Ukrainian sources, especially at the first days of war. They sort of lost credibility.
Can you name one or two such fakes? Especially at the first days of war... I really intrigued
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From what I remember - Ghost of Kiev and ARMA footage supporting his victories.
Some of the claims turned out to be true. Some of them not and collected here:
https://www.bbc.com/news/60554910
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I did not say Russia don't do fakes. Please don't claim I said that, because I did not. Some of the fakes BBC mentioned was also posted on Ukraine news outlets. Anyway I did not get you. Basically your point - Ukraine does not do fakes because Russia does?
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Man, I speechless.
You called the stuff like Ghost of Kiev a outrageous and arrogant FAKES baked by Ukrainian propaganda.
Ghost of Kiev is a collective image of Ukrainian pilots fighting and dying for their country in real, ppl here in Ukraine aware of that, but some of us needed a symbol of our resistance to comfort weak souls. We lost a lot, a lot of pilots the first days of war, and our sky warriors keeps dying in the fight with ruzzi intruders. Despite we have ten times less planes, Ukraine still keep it's superior in the sky for a half of the year of full scale war waged by ruzzi.
And I see, you were extremely outraged by the photo in social medias picturing boy and girl waving hands towards Ukrainian wariors. What a bold fake of Ukrainian propaganda it is - the photo is not new! It is dated 2016, aha!
Did you know that the war between Ukraine and Ruzzia started not ZZ.0Z.Z0ZZ. It started 8 years ago, in 2014, when ruzzia occupied our Crimea and a portion Donbass we were fighting from that time until now.
F*ck, all those 'cynical' fakes of Ukrainian propaganda that angered you so much (from your source https://www.bbc.com/news/60554910 - FIXED the URL since I meant your original link to bbc) are not worth a damn. What a person you are, that due to such unimaginably insignificant inconsistencies start to argue so fiercely against Ukrainians all over this thread, and see no real propaganda and fakes from rus side aimed to supports and whitens the invasion to another country.
I have no idea what is wrong with you if you are not ruzzi as I thought initially. I doubt you can learn from what I'm trying to say to you. Or from this resource where all those russian fakes, you successfully failed to see, are collected, starting from 2014, when those fakes we unbearable - like a crucified boy in panties
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I don't remember I was outraged by anything :) Sure by now ghost of Kiev is a collective image yada yada yada...but in the first days of war he was claimed to be a real person.
Personally for you I would like to repeat - I don't know if Russia do fakes, I think it does. But what it has to do with Ukrainian fakes? You point - Russia did fakes so we can do too?
I like how you cannot properly debate with me and switch to personal. :)
And yeah, as far as I know Crimea was autonomous republic. I believe it gives some degree of freedom of what to do - stay with Ukraine or stay with Russia?
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Personally for you I would like to repeat - I don't know if Russia do fakes, I think it does. But what it has to do with Ukrainian fakes? You point - Russia did fakes so we can do too?
Rly? After 7 months of aggressive war started by Russia against independent country you still don't know if Russia do fakes?
But you are fully aware of all Ukrainian ones, even such ugly and devastating [fake - I needed to clarify this since ones have trouble understanding this] as The Ghost of Kiev
Oh, boy...
Dude, the FAKE is not the Ghost of Kiev - the real fake is the reasons of why Russia started this invasion. And the fake is your impartiality. Cmon, "I don't know if Russia do fakes, I think it does, yada yada yada"
And the fake is your believe that "it [autonomy ] gives some degree of freedom of what to do - stay with Ukraine or stay with Russia?"
There is law, Ukrainian law, that gave autonomy to Crimea within the country of Ukraine - don't you challenge the legitimacy of the fact of such autonomy, given by Ukrainian law, right?
And in the same time this law forbid any of the part of the country leave without full-country referendum, not only that given part's population.
So or believe that autonomy of Crimea was illegal or believe that Crimea has no right by law to decide to stay or to leave.
I like how you cannot properly debate with me and switch to personal. :)
What do you mean by switching to personal? These my words "I have no idea what is wrong with you if you are not ruzzi as I thought initially."?
I debated with you properly. Answer to all your fakes by facts. But you still prefer to play the innocent fool line: "I know everything about all Ukrainian fakes and defame them in this thread. But pardon me, I know nothing of ruzzi fakes at all, yada yada yada "
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I don't know if Russia do fakes, I THINK IT DOES
Here I said to that Russia does fakes. What you did not understand in my sentence? Stop insisting that I don't acknowledge that Russia does fakes.
Again, I don't read Russian press, I have 0 clue what is going on there. Mostly because they don't translate, except maybe Russia Today, but even them - I don't watch.
even such ugly and devastating as The Ghost of Kiev
lol what? Did you just called the collective spirit of Ukrainian aces an ugly and devastating ?
There is a problem with people like you. You prefer to see much more in my words than I actually said.
Lets conclude. Russia does fakes, Ukraine does fakes. Period.
Regarding Crimea - I believe you are referring to Ukrainian constitution? Could you please tell me then what happened to your 2014 president? Was he constitutionally impeached?
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Ah my old friend Prosac! Where you been so long? What made you to come back to that forsaken thread?
Well, what you call JAQing off is actually called a debate.
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you call your rethorical questions and JAQing off a debate, funny
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Since you like to emphasize me allegedly JAQing. Doesn't your Russia allegations sound like whataboutism? :)
Yeah, I wonder what happened to him could be of any ambiguouty that deserves discussion in this thread. Just-Asking-Questions you kno?
I am eager to hear you out.
I'm also curious why we get so many, supposedly sincere random inquiries
Have no clue. I made 3-4 statements like a week ago and now have to argue with 6 people
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Most of my attempt at conversation gets hijacked by you or prosac. Then it becomes an argument and name calling. Your actions are not constructive to an honest conversation.
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You need to lower your ego man :) I bet you secretly call yourself troll buster huh?
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"trolls trolls everywhere" I feel sorry for you :) Regarding me mocking people you are wrong. I honestly apologized to Prosac.
You seem to have a lack of culture not to appreciate honest apologies.
Sorry for you, but I will keep posting here my questions if I have any. :) Freedom of speech, ever heard of it?
Cheers!
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Regarding Crimea - I believe you are referring to Ukrainian constitution? Could you please tell me then what happened to your 2014 president? Was he constitutionally impeached?
I am glad that you are interested in the history of my country and want to understand the ongoing processes. I am sure, knowing more about my country and Russia, you will no longer be that naive to believe that Ukrainians loves Russia and see it as their savior, as happened to you recently. When you were asking for courage ( this along eloquently shows your way of thinking and the side you are leaning ) to answer your question "Why then Ukrainians go to Russian controlled territories?"
So, my dear American friend, since I see that you are completely far from understanding the processes in Ukraine, it will be easier for me to start with an analogy.
I assume that you understand that your country has certain geopolitical opponents. Well, let's say it's China. But there are also allies, say, Britain, France or Germany, whatever - Europe. So common sense dictates, that your country must strengthen relations with allies and be careful not to become dependent on opponents.
And at some point in time, you notice that the president you voted for, say, Trump, begins to reject your allies, and in contrast to this, even aim his policy at friendship with China. All kinds of concessions to China, then taking huge government loans from China to raise the falling economy, and so on.
Moreover, he declares that instead of a transatlantic alliance, he is going to create a single union state with China, in which the United States will enter as an equal member.
I dare to suggest that this may not come to your taste, and you will go out to a peaceful protest against the creation of union state with China, and you will raise your civil voice for strengthening ties with Europe.
During a protest rally, the police will beat you to pulp, but luckily for you, other Americans will support you and start a massive protest against such a pro-Chinese president and police outrage.
And at a certain point, your president will cowardly run away from your country (China's special services will help him evacuate), and run away to China. Then he will start giving interviews and press-conferences from Beijing. Moreover he will sign out papers allowing the Chinese army to enter US territory to pacify your protest.
Let's assume that your country is a presidential-parliamentary republic - so in the case of president's death, self-elimination or inability to fulfill his duties as president, all power passes to the next governing body in the list - Parliament. And current parliament members will choose the person as an acting president until the early presidential elections are held ASAP. And the next president elected by popular vote becomes the new head of the country.
Can you understand this analogy?
Now, in my text above, replace the USA with Ukraine, Trump with Yanukovych, China with Russia, and European countries with European countries. And you will get the answer to your question, what happened to my president in 2014
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Hey, sorry. I was busy for the past couple of days. Thank you for your answer, now it makes much more sense.
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Kadyrov suggested the use of low-yield nuclear weapons. But that wasn't the dumbest part, after criticizing Russian military officials, Kadyrov said - "Army nepotism will not lead to good," ... "In the army it is necessary to appoint as commanders people of a strong character, courageous, principled, who worry about their fighters, who tear their teeth for their soldier, who know that a subordinate cannot be left without help and support. There is no place for nepotism in the army, especially in difficult times." [LINK]
It's unreal, Kadyrov lectures others about nepotism. He also said commanders should worry about their fighters ... earlier he wanted to atomize the whole thing!
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Humiliation for Vladimir Putin as Ukrainians liberate key city of Lyman | Ukraine | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/01/humiliation-for-vladimir-putin-as-ukrainians-liberate-key-city-of-lyman
Russia withdraws troops after Ukraine encircles key city | AP News
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-kidnapping-government-and-politics-cce973f2c43dc0d85883d46642fc970c
Hours after Putin's bedlam of "declaring annexation," the key stronghold appears to be back in Ukrainian hands.
It seems certain that it has been recaptured, as the Russian government has also announced that it will move the fighting to a more advantageous location.
LouiseMensch 🇺🇸🇺🇦 on Twitter: "9/ Trouble for Putin. “Grey Zone” Wagner Telegram openly blames Putin that @MOD_Russia, encircled in #Lyman, were not allowed to retreat JUST BECAUSE OF HIS FAKE #ANNEXATION SPEECH. Quoting one guy who did retreat (and isn’t optimistic) " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/1576272342698688512
In this tweet, there was a detailed explanation of Putin's lie about Lyman's lies in his speech.
And you can hear the anger of the Russian soldiers who were deceived by the Russian government.
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Another Russian war crime, More than 20 civilians, including 10 children, killed in Russian convoy shelling, says regional authority
The bodies of 22 civilians, including 10 children, were found following Russian shelling on a convoy of cars near the town of Kupiansk in eastern Ukraine, the Kharkiv regional prosecutor's office said Saturday.
"According to the data of investigators, the cars were shot by the Russian army on September 25, when civilians were trying to evacuate. Two cars burned completely. According to preliminary information, 22 people died, including 10 children. The investigation of the scene is ongoing," the office said on the social media platform Telegram.
It happened on September 25, near the city of Kupiansk. It's near the front line, which is why the information only appears now.
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"CNN could not independently verify the allegations." 🤔
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The Ukraine Awareness Thread wouldn't be the same without the Rashist bots.
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hold on for a sec. How citing your source made me a someone's bot?
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They call everyone troll, Russian Orc, or bots that do anything but agree with whatever they post.
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If I am "they" too. I never said you were a bot. Bots don't think that all human beings are capable to do such intense evil as Putin is doing. Or can lie as much as Trump.
Bots don't have feelings so are incapable of having such disturbing thoughts. And only human stupidity can reach that far to believe such cruel nonsense.
So don't worry, you are clearly not a bot.
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Needless to say lots of useless name calling.
As far as Trumps "lies" I went through sever lists of them. Tons of minor mistakes, misspeaking, and even "fact checks" that were actually wrong. Notice how those same "news" companies are not doing the same for the current US administration? Odd that.
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I dunno man. If you already think "And only human stupidity can reach that far to believe such cruel nonsense." is LOTS of name calling (while it's actually paraphrasing Einstein).. You might want to look at the dictionary what the word "lots" means. Then you don't want to know how I actually think about you. Such cruel thoughts are not normal.
But I understand now. You are one of the "OMG FAKE NEWS!" people...
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I already exposed him as Trump supporter and fan of conspiracy theories days ago, but good he himself confirmed it once again
he also never gave any proof about his claims, when asked for
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I am not a Trump supporter, but is it a crime to be one? As I remember half of the country voted for him?
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i wasn't talking about you, you're just a cheap troll
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I know you wasn't talking to me, but my question is still addressed to you. Could you please answer on topic? Not just a childish "you are troll" arguments?
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you're cheap trolling with rethoric questions and then ask about answers?
maybe don't use rethoric questions in the first place. if you really want an answer
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So when someone disagree with your statement you call it cheap trolling?
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If you don't want to be called a troll, provide factual data at least.
Trump received 46% of votes (which was btw less then Clinton did). But that is just from those who voted. Only around 64% of people voted at all.
That is around 60k votes for Trump, out of 250k citizens who could vote. So we know for certain only a fourth of USA actually voted for him. Could be higher, but not half of the country.
Just wanted to point this out as you don't come off very credible or someone to have structured discussion with. Are you really surprised Prosac called you a troll?
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To provide factual data you need to learn how to distinguish numbers first. 60k = 60000. 250k = 250000. You better go back to school and don't burn your time playing games on Steam. Speaking of Trump my point was not a number of votes. Even if only 100k voted for him, I don't see this as a crime or something shameful. It is called freedom to vote.
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a smart person would have known by the numbers he gave, that he meant millions and not thousands
or did you just used his little fault as a stirrup for a personal attack and a cheap trolling attempt?
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Dude. You starting to be predictable. I suggest you not to use words "personal attack" and "cheap trolling attempt" so often. Regarding numbers - if someone wishes to provide factual data - he needs to doublecheck what he is writing.
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in fact you're the one who actually is predictable, which i already figured after your first post and called you out for what you are, a cheap troll, arguing ad hominem and not being able to give proof for your claims
and i already told you, what you can do with your useless advices and suggestions, you're not even giving reasons, why i should follow them
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Oh god. Seriously go get help.
Of course I meant millions not thousands. Your comment literally called up half of the country voting for him. You where LITERALLY WRONG.
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Man, my post was not about numbers. Half, one third, quarter of a gallon it does not matter.
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If after everything russians did and said you still doubt about their war crimes - you are either an idiot, a troll, or a paid bot. Sane people can learn that if someone kills, lies and destroys for 1000 times - news about them doing the same for 1001 time is true, without need for strong evidence.
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Sane people prefer getting solid evidence before blaming. Question about your claims. Why then Ukrainians go to Russian controlled territories? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCijBcFdO5M
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What's wrong with CNN this time? Or did they also start carrying Russian propaganda?
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Hey, sorry for Prosac. He has admitted already that he has problems with English language. He barely understands what those articles are about.
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can you give proof for your claims?
or is it just another unfounded personal attack and cheap trolling attempt?
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why so mad borsdy? Let me quote Prosac: i feel honoured that you take me for a native speaker, but i have to tell you i'm not . Considering he cannot catch what I was talking about couple of comments above made me think he is not fluent in English. Can you proof I am wrong? Because it is pretty easy to understand why I asked those questions above.
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so I guess you cannot proof I am wrong ? Regarding you assertions I supposed to be offended? You can stick to your assertions, I don't care :)
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Hey you know what? You might be right. He just pissed me off calling me troll 3rd time for no reason. Prosac, I am sorry, dude.
Ps: I still have a question why Ukrainians go to Russian controlled territories. Anyone have courage to answer?
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lol, to be precise I don't like people evading questions with calling me troll. So...I guess you one of those? Are you calling uncomfortable questions troll questions?
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What "our reality" are you talking about ? I presented a question which proofs that statements made by Ryzhehvost are bs. If you can proof opposite you welcome to try.
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I am talking about this statement https://www.steamgifts.com/go/comment/BKIRGSc What I am trying to say, why would Ukrainians move to Russian controlled territories if they would be mass murdered there?
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The whole my conversations with Prosac etc etc started from this commentary. This is why I asked my main question again and you called me troll because of that. Coming back to mass murders. But why population move east if they know Russians will kill them? That sound a bit fishy for me. I think that more likely those mass graves are casualties from many days of fighting in the area, not Russians killing them on purpose. They might be as well casualties from Ukraine shelling which we prefer close our eyes to.
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I am not blaming anyone. I am just trying to find answers. But for some reason every time I am asking questions certain people getting aggravated. Ukraine is suffering, but it does not obligate me to believe everything they throw to media.
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If you would have watched the video, the answer is already given by the interviewed people, further than that we're not clairvoyants here to know the reasons of these people, if you're really interested in the topic, maybe use Google and find out yourself
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You missed my point Prosac. All of this people from the video will be slaughtered on Russian side. Don't you find it strange - them going to occupied territories?
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All of this people from the video will be slaughtered on Russian side
who says that? And will they be marked somehow, when crossing the border, so they could be made out, while in russia?
Do i have to explain to you, what russias goal is in this war, eliminating ukrainian consciousness and culture, and which actions they take to achieve this? Ukrainians in russia are no threath to them, because they will be assimilated into russian culture and as a minority can be easily opressed.
Don't you find it strange - them going to occupied territories?
as i read, many Ukrainians have relatives in russia, so maybe they decided to flee to them, instead of fleeing to the west, not knowing what awaits them there. They have to go to occupied territory first, yes, but do you really think they will stay there or move on to russia?
And that boy, he probably is really doing what he's stating, taking his granny from Kherson, because he knows fighting will be there soon
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who says that?
The guy who started the thread mentions russian war crimes, which you probably heard of too.
CNN video is actually from April. Two or three weeks after Bucha happened. That is why it is so....frustrating.. I dont know how to explain to you.
as i read, many Ukrainians have relatives in russia, so maybe they decided to flee to them, instead of fleeing to the west, not knowing what awaits them there. They have to go to occupied territory first, yes, but do you really think they will stay there or move on to russia?
So you are saying that many Ukrainians don't treat Russia as aggressor?
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The guy who started the thread mentions russian war crimes, which you probably heard of too.
guess where war crimes happen, right, where the war is, is war on russian soil?
So you are saying that many Ukrainians don't treat Russia as aggressor?
i'm not saying that, because as i already said before, i'm not a clairvoyant to know their reasons, but i tried to give examples, to me it's more like they don't care about the war and just try to save their life or the ones of their relatives, but i think deep in their hearts they know who the aggressor is and made them the things do, they now have to
and i have to agree with borsdy, your questions really look like JAQing off, like you said many Ukrainians, so you conclude from a handful of people to what the majority of Ukrainians may think?
it's not like the recent mass exodus of russians fleeing the country
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I don't watch any of the Russian media. In fact the only media I mentioned was CNN. I am pretty sure you saw only one question from me - the one I posted link to. Sorry but I don't care how my questions look like as long as they make sense and logically connected to the subject. If you think I am pushing some kind of agenda, you must be laughing. This thread is full of agenda and it is not Russian at all.
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he wasn't even able to give proof for his claims, where i admitted such things
but thanks for helping out and i feel sorry for you being dragged into his mumbo jumbo
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oh, u still doing your oink-oink here
better go do something useful
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Update 110 – IAEA Director General Statement on Situation in Ukraine | IAEA
https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/pressreleases/update-110-iaea-director-general-statement-on-situation-in-ukraine
After receiving information about the detention of Ihor Murashov, Director General of Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP), the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has been in contact with the relevant authorities and has been informed that Mr Murashov is in temporary detention, Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi said today.
The IAEA, in line with its nuclear safety and security mandate, has been actively seeking clarifications and hopes for a prompt and satisfactory resolution of this matter, Director General Grossi said. He reiterated that this detention has a very significant impact on at least two of the seven indispensable nuclear safety and security pillars that he outlined at the beginning of the conflict in Ukraine.
“Such a detention of any member of the plant staff would be a source of grave concern in itself, but also for its psychological impact and pressure on the rest of the staff - which is detrimental to nuclear safety and security”, said Director General Grossi.
Furthermore, the Director General of the ZNPP has the responsibility to ensure the nuclear safety and security of the plant. He ensures that all the plant’s operational procedures are implemented, including the ones related to nuclear safety, radiation safety of operating personnel, and to nuclear security. Additionally, he activates and leads the response to any on-site nuclear emergency.
“His absence from duty in this way also has an immediate and serious impact on decision-making in ensuring the safety and security of the plant,” Director General Grossi added.
Director General Grossi expressed the hope that Mr Murashov will return to his family safely and promptly and will be able to resume his important functions at the plant.
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Reuters on Twitter: "IAEA head seeks release of Ukrainian nuclear plant head " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1576521155275640833
The IAEA confirmed that the world is in a state of crisis because Russia has detained the person responsible for the management of the nuclear power plant and pulled him away from the site. :(
In its continued information war, Russia has now restricted access to the music-streaming app SoundCloud, Reuters reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/oct/02/russia-ukraine-war-live-updates-ukrainian-capture-of-lyman-makes-war-more-difficult-for-putin-says-us
Медиазона on Twitter: "Роскомнадзор заблокировал SoundCloud по требованию Генпрокуратуры " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/mediazzzona/status/1576290864418418689
There are rumors that it was cancelled in Russia because of the distribution of local information by Russian soldiers on the front lines.
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Head of Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant has been released, IAEA chief says | Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/head-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-has-been-released-iaea-says-2022-10-03/
Rafael MarianoGrossi on Twitter: "I welcome the release of Ihor Murashov, Director General of #Ukraine’s #Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant; I have received confirmation that Mr Murashov has returned to his family safely." / Twitter
https://twitter.com/rafaelmgrossi/status/1576940492713263109
Good News :)
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Ukraine claims full control of key logistics hub, eyes further gains
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-celebrates-capturing-key-town-putin-ally-mulls-possible-nuclear-response-2022-10-02/
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After Lyman's defeat, the mood on Russian state TV is rather gloomy. https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1576331334317879297
A pundit - "I don't remember the precedent in world history, when territories we don't even control, were absorbed into the country." ... "Yeah, after the rest of the territories will be liberated. You know, it's very difficult to argue with dreamers, who live in their own world. I see the dynamics of the military actions on the front. We aren't talking about what is happening near Lyman. Who forbade you to talk about it? It's a bit wild to pontificate about how we will liberate Zaporizhzhia with 710k residents. Ask anyone here, when they're in the make-up room. I think anyone will honestly admit they don't know whether the mobilization will help us or not, to change the course of military actions. So far, thing aren't going so well. It's easy to say, 'after the liberation of Zaporizhzhia'. Yeah, try liberating it, the way everything is going."
The reality is harsh, Russian propagandists are at a loss for words to explain Lyman's defeat. https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1576410989104627712
Intriguing comment from the host - "Russia won yesterday. I'm not conducting any psychotherapy. I don't think that is necessary."
I smell some denial issues. Not acknowledging reality or denying the consequences of this reality is a big problem in Russia. 😁
Andrey Gurulyov, former deputy commander of Russia's southern military district, said he couldn't explain the Lyman defeat. Until he changes his mind and starts talking about the real issue.
Gurulyov - "The problem we have is the constant delivery of good reports, or you can call it constant lying. This system does not go from bottom to the top," SUDDEN DISCONNECTION
Probably a censorship move, Gurulyov was suddenly disconnected. Before he could criticizes more the chain of command, or even talks about the endemic corruption in Russia.
Gurulyov was later re-connected, but didn't say much else about Lyman or endemic lying.
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why would he be reconnected if he was disconnected because of censorship? Censorship was revoked? 😂 You guys are so much fun to expose 😂
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he got disconnected for re-education and than was connected again, it's just easy as that and you exposed yourself
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and after that you have courage to call someone a fan of conspiracy theories 😂 I suggest you to disconnect yourself for re-education amigo.
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Risks telling unpleasant truths about Putin's Russia -> disconnection
No more risks telling unpleasant truths about Putin's Russia -> reconnection
legacyofthepast you call it a conspiracy theory, maybe you managed to forget that it is forbidden to speak freely in Russia. In Russia, people are forbidden to call the situation a war ('special military operation'), and they are forbidden to protest against it.
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I know indeed that Russia is not a free of speech state. Agree with you on that. But trying to blame everything on censorship looks stupid :) By the way, seems like our friend Prosac decided to follow my advice and disconnected himself. 😂 Or perhaps it was censorship. 😂
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beware of the mods with your consequent insubstantial spamming, not that you're the one who got disconnected
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Ukrainian forces are advancing in the north of Kherson region. It's not confirmed, but so was the good news about Lyman. Looks like another Russian front is collapsing.
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1576602192990961664
https://twitter.com/mhmck/status/1576658678371217408
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As confirmation of the speedrun, Ukrainian forces liberate Mykhailivka, Kherson Oblast.
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"Oct 3 (Reuters) - Ukrainian forces have made some breakthroughs in the southern Kherson region and taken control of some settlements, a Russian-installed official said on Monday."
And they are still going strong. :)
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I may digress from the discussion a bit, but regarding astronomical phenomena.
An X-class solar flare has occurred.
The NOAA notice is currently "G3".
Homepage | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/
There may be some impact on radio communication in the battlefield and power grid malfunction in the northern countries including Russia and Ukraine.
Depending on the direction of the flare, there may also be malfunctions in electronic equipment and weaponry.
(Navy mines have malfunctioned and exploded in the past.)
Please be aware that such an event may occur this week.
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It goes without saying, but the main natural threat to Russian equipment remains rust.
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The Institute for the Study of War is a policy research organization focused on U.S. national security.
ISW on Twitter: "Tonight's campaign assessment from @TheStudyofWar and @criticalthreats focuses on dramatic changes in the #Russian information space following the Russian defeat around #Lyman and in Kharkiv Oblast and amid the failures of Russia’s partial mobilization. " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1576777811053801472
1/14
Published about 3 hours ago.
It is divided into 1114 parts, so it would be more correct to read it directly
It seems that Russia's internal debate over Lyman is getting worse.
Even Russian TV seems to be suggesting that the reservists will not contribute to the recapture.
It seems that Russian military bloggers are deepening their criticism of the Russian government.
So far, they have been left alone as they were patriotic for Russia, but there may be censorship or some kind of interference in the future.
ISW on Twitter: "10/ #Russian State Duma MPs withdrew a law that would have given mobilized men a one-time payment of 300,000 rubles (about $4,980) and other benefits, without providing a reason for their decision. " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1576779166887731202
10/14
Then, in October📝
, it seems that the Russian government is not paying the promised compensation, perhaps because the Russian economy has reached its limits.💸😫🔥🏧🏦💳🔥
This is a bad sign for the Russian people, just as it was at the beginning of the war when the central bank manipulated funds.
In any case, the overall report was one that we felt Ukraine had the upper hand.
It is beginning to look as if the Russian people may soon start a revolution.
*typo fix 11 14
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One more stone to add to the Russian decline: Russian deputy and retired general Andriy Gurulev reported that 1.5 million sets of military uniforms of the Russian Armed Forces, which were intended for the mobilized, disappeared from warehouses in Zabaikalia in an inexplicable way. [LINK]
(Andriy Gurulev = Andrey Gurulyov, him previously)
Some say the uniforms were never made, the money is in someone's yacht.
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Some unverified "news" twitter account as a source, really?
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Regarding the said report from a news source that is persecuted by Russia.
The main news source (a site that has existed for about 10 years)
Забайкальский депутат Госдумы заявил об исчезновении у Минобороны 1,5 млн комплектов формы
https://tayga.info/179331
The English version of Google Search has been given a "About this result BETA(fact-check)" feature.
By searching by news title, it is not difficult to find relevant information and the main news source.
This feature will be present from the beginning of 2021.
Note that these features have been removed in some languages.
You can use them by switching languages.
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Thanks you for providing a link to a better source then Twitter. I appreciate it.
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Take ISW information with a grain of salt. They are funded partially by "defense contractor" companies. They also see to be very much for US military intervention in many arenas. see their Wikipedia for proof of this. This doesn't mean the information is false but knowing who is telling you thing lets you see their possible motives.
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Yes. I respect your opinion.
My impression is that it would be advisable to check the reports of international organizations after looking at the Russian and Ukrainian reports.
I think it is also right to wait for fact-checking by other countries or not to jump to conclusions.
However, since more than half a year has passed, there are probably many matters that have become clear as to whether they are true or false.
So far, the Russian government reports are not authentic.
The Russian private press has credibility, but it's hard to believe it right off the bat because sometimes "the same faces" appear.
In the Russian press, there are "rumors" and "wishful thinking" followed by no "conclusions" or "desired results," and I feel that there is enough buildup to make the Russian public understand that there are aspects of the situation that are not being "reported.
I sometimes feel that these are not funny stories, much like the events at the end of the war in Japan.
In the end, what makes things better is "the honesty of the country (politicians) to its own people.
This is true for any country.
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Yeah, I don't trust the reports directly put out by Russia or Ukraine. I wait for 3rd party verification of the information.
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They are a neo-con think tank supported by the MI complex, which is to say, a cut out that writes policy for nasty deep state shenanigans, especially in Syria. If you are interested, some of their doings are mentioned in this series of articles.
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Yeah, they are terrible warhawks. They were also pro Iraq war and Afghanistan
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