Waiting for the veterans versions, they could really use some help too
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Vladimir Putin, in a speech in Vladivostok on Wednesday: "We have lost nothing and are not going to lose anything. Our main gain is the strengthening of our sovereignty. We didn't start anything, in terms of military action, but are only trying to finish it,” LINK
Russia didn't lose anything, huh?
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I keep finding it so freaking weird a lot of Russians blindly believe his words.
"We didn't start anything." But they invaded a country... The f?
"We lost nothing". But the estimate is that over 25 000 Russian "soldiers" died in the war. How do their family members not notice this?
I really don't know which reality Putin and his followers live in. Maybe just too much vodka and too many delirium's. Or maybe some Russsian's have an idiot gene... But I really don't understand it. And it's hard to see the difference between and idiot or a troll.
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"idiot gene" sounds like nazi speech.
people are similar everywhere despite the country were they live
also consider the fact that all politics are lying
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Meh... Here in The Netherlands there are idiot genes too... The town of Urk is full of inbreed people. The town Katwijk aan Zee even has it's own inbreed sickness. They actually do have an idiot gene and they are from my own dumbass aryan race :D How does this make me a nazi? I don't care if people are aryan, slavic, black or asian. I don't like idiots. Problem?
My grandfather was actually a resistance fighter and a hero in ww2. So its extremely insulting what you are saying to me.
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but it's not genes, maybe nature? humans are animals (homo sapiens). all people act like idiots many times.
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I beg to to differ. IQ is very much inherited
And you understand me completely wrong. I bitch at people that are stupid, and who are pro violence. that they happen to be Russian has nothing to do with it, I am against all wars in other countries too. Violence is never the answer to me.
But yeh, if they start to say shit like "We didn't start anything". while they are invading a country and kill and attack countless of innocent civilians. And people actually believe "they didn't dp anything", even on this forum. I don't really care if they are Russian or not, but i do label them as idiots. And I don't like idiots. But that really doesn't make me a nazi. The opposite really, because I judge people by their personality, not their background.
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I will not defend or cover it.
it's language and translation problem.
"We didn't start anything" means that they didn't start act seriously yet. (maybe it's bluff or threatining, I don't know)
always consider another points of views (if you wondering than try to find another information why people think opposite) before fully judging
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"We didn't start anything" means that they didn't start act seriously yet.
lol, what would be serious, using nuclear weapons?
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your question is directed to the wrong address
in my opionion it is stupid. "tactical nuclear weapon" that's what Zelensky said (obviously he said that bullshit to frighten european leaders so they supply Ukraine with weapons much faster)
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you started to explain, that it meant, that they didn't started to act seriously, so i think my questions was addressed right
why is it stupid to ask what acting seriously means? your words doesn't make sense
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erhhmm.
it's ok to ask, you misunderstand or maybe I answered not correctly, sorry.
I tried to explain how that meaning looks in original language.
then I answered that using nuclear weapon is stupid, even idea of it is absurdish.
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I tried to explain how that meaning looks in original language.
okay, but it makes them look stupid, because both things are untrue
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Ehmmm, If you try to steal a country and you kill civilians on purpose who have nothing to do with it... I don't see how this is not not starting something. And how is that not serious?
It really sounds serious to me, Of course everybody has a difference of opinion. But I don't know how a normal person condones violence, war, rape, shooting daycare centres, hospitals, countless of warcrimes. I really don't even want to know why some people enjoy that, it can only be a sick mind of a sociopath.
And of course are all his nuclear threat's bluffs. He doesn't even have the power to press the button by himself. Nobody would let him because it would be total annihilation for all of us. The west iisn't scared of this pussy hiding in his bunker even though he claims it. We just don't want a third world war. You know... not everybody dying, It is not a totally strange concept.
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Actually, this country basically came through many decades of negative selection when intellectuals and dissidents immigrated (best-case scenario), found themselves in prisons or were annihilated (for instance, my great uncle was incarcerated and later died in a prison camp basically because of him being a Jewish cultural figure). So no, while I'm not particularly fond of peterlol's wording myself, there is a grain of truth in his comment: what we see now is a result of the said selection, and critical thinking is not very popular here.
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selection is a bullshit, I don't agree with you. reading and believing opposite media is not critical thinking.
we can only speak by ourselves (by information and expierence we had), not for other people (what they think, what they know and etc.)
right now all immigrated intellectuals and dissidents ("best case scenario") cares only for their own money, comfort and profit, not people of their country, also they are escaping from responsibility.
I don't wish bad future for Ukraine, neither for Russia.
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You understand me a lil bit wrong. It might sound a bit insulting because it was meant that way. But it is not towards Russian people in general.
It is meant insulting to all people who support any kind of violence or war, also Americans and the rest of the west who support war.. And I am surprised that so many people support this barbaric behavior. And yeh, in this case it is of course mostly Russian extreme nationalists.
I am very sorry about your great uncle. RIP. I am aware stuff like that used to happen there and unfortunately still does.
I am not against Russians. I am against Putin and the many people that support war and violence no matter where they come from.
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I don't think there is a genetic problem. We are descendants of people ruled by kings, kings were like dictators in many ways, but now we have moved on to democracy.
Putin can rely on his mass media propaganda and his dictatorial rules, so he can say all the bullshit he wants, for now...
And according to the latest Ukrainian updates, it is rather more than 50,000 Russian soldiers liquidated, if you add the wounded Russian soldiers, that's probably over 100,000 Russian casualties (this is my estimate).
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so he can say all the bullshit he wants
and the bad educated people at rural russia believe in these lies
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Yeh that was pretty much part of my point too.
I know they believe in the propaganda. But if you see first hand that your son or a friends son doesn't come home from "the special military operation" which very many families have seen by now. How can you possibly still blindly believe Putin? Some people are so completely delusional, I simply don't understand it,
"They are ending something that they didn't start", yet they are somehow in a different country, I just simply just cant wrap my head around it. It sounds completely psychotic to me. Ignorance is bliss I guess...
Again, I am just against any sort of violence. Self defense is a totally different.story.
So go Ukraine!
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i think you have to understand russian culture a bit, where showing any weakness is a major flaw, they also have a traditional role concept, where the patriarch earns the money and is always right, i think you get the vibe
you can't compare it with liberal western societies
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Yeh, it's also what I am saying.
I know a bit how it works around there but I do truly really not understand it. If you have eyes, you should use them....
But I am not really comparing.... I understand we have different standards. But logic is an universal language.
I just truly don't understand it indeed. :P
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they're brainwashed for decades now, there is no logic left
they got told west is bad and russia stronk, look at all their propaganda, it's those things they're still telling and people believe it, because it gives them a warm, comfy feeling and that's how russia works and pootin can be dictator and those who don't feel the warmth of mother russia anymore got opressed with cold laws
and russians love lullabies and their mother russia blanket, if you want to blame russians for something, than for this
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Yeh I know how it works...
I just can't wrap my head around it. It's so far away from my morals.
Well, you are my neighbor so our standards are probably pretty much the same.
(off topic.and really a long stretch I used to play quake 3 with a Dutch guy with the nickname Mr. Floppy. You aren't him right? :P ).
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Chief Russian propagandist Vladimir Soloviev appeared on air with bruises all over his face. He sound sad and refused to explain where he got bruises.
More information about Vladimir Soloviev (or Solovyov): https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-appears-russian-state-tv-covered-mysterious-bruises-1741146
Twitter users responded with their own theories about how Solovyov sustained the bruises, I picked one: In reference to the tendency of Russian personalities to mysteriously fall out of windows, Solovyov must have fallen from a ground floor window.
Some videos from the show "An Evening with Vladimir Solovyov":
- Vladimir Solovyov compared Ukraine to a cat to be dewormed. VIDEO LINK
- Vladimir Solovyov had a boner thinking about Russia's territorial expansion. (not for real, just figuratively) VIDEO LINK
- Without a hint of irony, host Vladimir Solovyov explained why Soviet Gulags were better than German concentration camps. VIDEO LINK
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it was an accident lol
almost fell out of a window by accident
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The Russian offensive on the Donbass is at a snail's pace. And for Kherson, the Russians will be slowly grinded by the Ukrainians.
Three fronts is too much for the Russians, they cannot keep Kharkiv.
Map of the latest developments:
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Three fronts is too much for the Russians, they cannot keep Kharkiv.
you mean Kherson, right?
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Apparently the things are so out of hands than even pro-Kremlin puppets like Shariy are weeping right now:
https://t.me/s/ASupersharij
Upd. Russia is urgently sending reinforcements to Kharkiv region.
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Shariy has to hang, or at least rot in jail until he dies. Fucking pootin's mutt, he is responsible for a ton of deaths due to his propaganda.
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Kremlin refuses to comment on counteroffensive of Armed Forces of Ukraine
Dmitry Peskov, the press-secretary of the President of Russia, refused to comment on the counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the occupied territories of Ukraine and re-addressed this question to Russia’s Ministry of Defence.
Remember, the Kremlin claimed on the evening of August 29 that the Ukrainian counter-offensive was a limited, failed effort. What happened?
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/st-petersburg-local-councilors-asked-125100530.html
Literal dictatorship. Summoned to police over "discrediting government".. that just smells like insecurity on putlers part
St. Petersburg local councilors who asked Duma to prosecute Putin for treason are summoned to police
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These Russian lawmakers have balls, it's a shame there are only seven of them.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-putin-treason-lawmakers/32025878.html
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Alexander Khodakovsky, former DNR minister of defense, undermines Russian propaganda while trying to explain away defeats in northeastern Ukraine
https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/x97q2s/alexander_khodakovsky_former_dnr_minister_of/
https://t.me/s/aleksandr_skif
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If that's true, that's huge! Russia Deploys Helicopters to Capture Their Own Fleeing Deserters: Ukraine
The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine wrote in a Facebook update Friday afternoon that "significant losses and the unwillingness to fight" were contributing to a deterioration in the "moral and psychological condition" of occupying Russian troops. The number of deserters is also increasing, it said.
"In the temporarily occupied territory of Kherson region, in the area of Babenkivka Second settlement, the enemy had to deploy helicopters and weapons to search for fugitives and return them to combat positions," the post read. "In addition, through Kalanchak, in the direction of temporarily occupied Crimea, intensive movement of unarmed Russian soldiers was noted." Kalanchak is also located in the Kherson region, where a Ukrainian counteroffensive is currently taking place.
A roundup, featuring unhappy Kremlin propagandists on several state TV programs. (At 3:23 look at the mosaic of faces)
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looks like they're getting nervous, because they're fucked up and are the ones who punched in the face by reality
I'm baffled that they even admit, that their war isn't going according to the plan
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If you watch the twitter video, they already say they have to fight against 53 countries and they have to form an anti-imperialistic front with North Korea, when in fact they are the imperialists, but we have seen that before, that they're accusing others about their own crimes.
I laughed hard, when that commander played down the importance of Kupyansk and then was disproven by that military expert, i mean what's that for a shitshow where propaganda is instantly disproven, can't they even do something right, do they have to fail at everything?
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If you watch the twitter video,
A small clarification. In Russia, Twitter is blocked and only those who pass the block are posting videos there, which is 1 percent, there will be just more Instagrams, but not Twitter. This is the reality. And you can also post videos indicating a different country than it is in reality. So the videos on Twitter are just not an indicator at all. You can discuss the rest further.
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the video is from that famous russian propaganda show, you shot your own leg
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These are clips from your local TV stations! You cheap Bot failed again
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If we watch the video, then there is only about heavy fighting (no one denies this), but there is no such thing about a panic retreat, only one thing is said about the fact that they retreated down the corridor to other positions. Here it is just necessary to look at the principles of maneuver warfare, not positional. If someone wants to add, it does not always add to the case, but sometimes they add their own desires.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-death-toll-50k-kherson-counteroffensive-1740202
Here's the article. But then they immediately wrote:
Newsweek has been unable to verify independently the figures. Russia rarely discloses its military losses.
And this is already an indicator that the posted data is questioned.
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you're deflecting, no one was talking about Newsweek articles in this sub branch
and even the military expert in your state TV propaganda show said, that Kupyansk is a very important strategic location, usually these locations should be well defended, your reasoning with principles of maneuver warfare seems a bit off, especially when 10,000 russian soldiers are now in danger to get encircled, but who knows, maybe it was another gesture of goodwill?
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you question your own propagandists now?
If https://www.newsweek.com I began to relate to Russian propaganda, then yes, although it was previously not noticed in this. After all, this is Newsweek, today - an American weekly online news magazine and digital news platform.
no one talked about that or are you referring to the news article from newsweek?
i'm sorry, we aren't discussing it in this branch
A little misunderstood. It is possible to maneuver troops with full control and communication, and there is also maneuvering troops when the troops are fleeing, that's when the troops do not obey the command and make maneuvers to withdraw as they want, then this is just a panic retreat. Departure without a team and just running back despite the situation around. Just possible misunderstanding due to the fact that here I applied the rules from the Russian language. And so in the article there is a link to the Twitter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but in the article that I cited, there are already doubts about what was published on Twitter of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
you're deflecting, no one was talking about Newsweek articles in this sub branch
An article related to Ukraine and a special operation. It's just that it also shows that news from one source began to be questioned, which is what it says. Or issue a separate post?
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sorry, had to edit my post, but as i already said, no one, except you, is talking about Newsweek in this sub branch
i won't answer anymore to that deflecting and inflating of yours
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For reference, here's maps from September 4th, 9th and 10th respectively:
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Michael A. Horowitz on Twitter: "#Russia's Ministry of Defense finally mentions the current debacle in Eastern #Ukraine saying that a "decision was made to regroup Russian troops stationed in Balakliya and Izyum" and transfer those troops to the territory of the Donetsk People's Republic (translated statement) " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1568605179594903553
Michael A. Horowitz on Twitter: "Hello " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1568610869487046656
🙄Translated text and images were available on the Twitter side.
It appears that the Russian government is acknowledging reality.
Considering the timeline, it is likely that the local Russian command was covering up the destruction of military bases on the Crimean peninsula, despite the fact that they were destroyed by Ukraine.
It appears that the Ukrainian side disclosed the facts only after it was too late for the Russian government and local Russian commanders.
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Michael A. Horowitz on Twitter: "Taken from this video" / Twitter
https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1568667562363293698
”Hello”
For those who didn't know what that meant, the "full-length video"📹
The Russian government is very slow to announce.
It seems that they are not keeping up with the actions of the Ukrainian side.
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Good article in German, covering how Russian propagandists react to the series of defeats.
https://www.br.de/nachrichten/kultur/wir-sind-voellig-gescheitert-russland-zweifelt-putin-schweigt,TGvBXed
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they say, that 10,000 russian soldiers are now in danger to get encircled, sounds like a well done regroup to me
let's hope Ukraine will be successful, because this would be another decisive blow and another nail in the coffin
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Run Russians run, The Ukrainians are coming to get you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lof0W36s-EA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSXoZK6OdI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKbjpUDUuvw
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The Russians are so fast that it is difficult to follow their reverse offensive. If it hasn't already been done, the Ukrainians are sure to liberate the Kharkiv region.
The town of Kupiansk is among the many positions to have been liberated. According to a comment on Twitter:
On June 18, Alexander Sidyakin, a representative of Putin's "United Russia" party, announced the beginning of issuing Russian passports in #Kupyansk with the words "Russia is here forever".
“Forever” has a different meaning for Rashists.
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Ukraine-Russia war: residents of Russian-controlled Kharkiv told to evacuate as Ukrainian counter-offensive advances – as it happened | Ukraine | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/sep/10/russia-ukraine-war-latest-updates-live-news-putin-zelenskiy
Some people are moving to the Russian side of the border at a tremendous rate, but there are rumors that they are stranded at the Russian border.🤔
(Border blockade?)
There seems to be only a statement by the Russian government and no concept of implementation.
Will they use the people as shields?
If such a thing were to happen in a democracy, the government would be overthrown.
The Russian government seems to be different.
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The only people trying to flee are either collaboratns, or people who REALLY wished to be russian. So yeah, good riddance. Although if we catch the ones who defiled the Ukrainian flag, and helped the russian forces - they will be under trial for sure. No good will for that.
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so if people don't want abandon their homes neither lie down under the tanks they become collaborants and deserve trial?
also many of them have relatives in russia and they don't care if it's ukrainian or russian goverment
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people don't want abandon their homes
and
people are moving to the Russian side of the border at a tremendous rate
Are your REALLY sure those are same people?
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right now there will be battle zone (sorry for bad english), so you know why they abandoning now and not abandon before.
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Are you suggesting that there were no battles when the Russian army occupied the territory that they lost now? And that no civilians died while the Russians occupied it?
If so I've some news for you ...
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I hope you know that what you say is utter bullshit. If you don't - it's beyond my power to help you.
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Funny how you twisted my words to fit your agenda. I said exactly what I said, not what you claim I said.
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Well, there will be people in that region who will only get information that is convenient for Russia.
As was the case in the Crimean Peninsula, there may be people who cannot connect to the Internet without going through Russia, people who do not know how to bypass the Internet, or people with weak information who cannot use smart phones or computers, or simply due to power outages.
The Ukrainian people also claim that Russia has taken some of their family members.
(Were they mass concentration camps in various parts of Russia?)
It is not that strange that people are heading to the Russian side of the border for those reasons.
(Were they mass concentration camps in various parts of Russia?)
It is not so strange that people go to the Russian side of the border for those reasons.
(Some succeeded, others were suspected of family breakups, and some who blamed the Ukrainian regime unnaturally anyway, but it would be more unnatural not to have them at all in the face of war).
In my opinion, the "soldiers returning to Russia" are probably suspected of "pointing their guns at the Russian government".
The most unhappy people in this war are of course the Ukrainian people.
The second would be "the young men of the local group of Russian soldiers who were dispatched without any notice.
Russian soldiers who have come to know the reality may become enemies of the Russian government if they return to Russia.
Here, if they massacre even those who do not have weapons out of anger, hatred, or vengeance, they will be used as a cause for Russia to use genocidal weapon.
The international community will understand the sentiment of wanting to make even surrendered Russian soldiers suffer the same atrocities that the Ukrainian people suffered.
Maybe it is time to be patient now by taking them to court.
I believe that important news will come in the future.⏳
(I'm concerned about the recent tendency of Ukraine to report about 2 weeks late for strategic and tactical reasons.)
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those concentration camps with refugees are all over europe too, you can watch videos how ukrainians complain about living conditions too.
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Human rights monitoring
United Nations Human Rights Council
Ukraine: More than 14,000 casualties to date but ‘actual numbers are likely considerably higher' | UN GENEVA
https://www.ungeneva.org/en/news-media/news/2022/09/ukraine-more-14000-casualties-date-actual-numbers-are-likely-considerably
Ukraine: UN committee ‘gravely concerned’ over treatment of people with disabilities | UN GENEVA
https://www.ungeneva.org/en/news-media/news/2022/09/ukraine-un-committee-gravely-concerned-over-treatment-people-disabilities
Unsourced stories are suspect and often fake news.
Stories that have not been verified by an international organization for authenticity are rumors.
The latest report after true verification is this one.
The content calls for Russia's violations to be corrected from start to finish.
Is there any basis for your story that "problematic acts" as you claim have been committed by Western countries against Ukrainian refugees?
An impartial verification by an international organization would seem to indicate that the Russian side is by all accounts committing an atrocity.
It would be impossible for anyone not to complain.
Of course they would complain about not being able to breathe if we moved you to the moon.
That's what it's like to suddenly live in a different language.
But human rights violations and major problems are the subject of such audits.
It is not unnatural to assume that not being on board is within the realm of common sense and not directly related to life and death issues.
In any case, the sooner things are made right, the better.
If you have video or evidence that you really think this is terrible, you might want to submit it to those international organizations.
This is not a place to post images of people being shot or shot at, or obviously dead bodies, so we ask that everyone keep it "low key".
However, if you look at the reports of various international organizations with doubts, you may find some that you want to turn away from.
📢Documents, reports & statements
You can easily find such things by clicking on the link there.
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those concentration camps with refugees are all over europe too
seriously, how fucked up are you to connect genocide with refugees?
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There are also people who run from occupied zones, it's physically impossible for them to move to territories controlled by Ukraine, Russia is the only option (a temporary one, of course). For example, my friend lived in a village near Nova Kakhovka, and about a month ago she finally decided to move because it became way too dangerous. Crimea was her only option (she wrote that "she moved from one occupied zone to another"). And now she's in Leipzig.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlo10a2iYLc
A motivated nation + NATO training and material = 2500 square km taken back in a few days.
The Russians can't even blame NATO anymore seeing how Russia has just become the biggest military donator to Ukraine.
"We retreated in hours what took us weeks/months to take because of reasons" Russian view.
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ахахах спасибо поржал, игры вне политики, зачем такой кринж делать
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Сміється той хто сміється останній.. пригадай ці слова пізніше :)
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Російський уряд вчинив необачно.
Це порушило життя користувачів Steam по всьому світу.
Вони більше не можуть купувати ігри зі знижкою.
Також подорожчало обладнання.
Ігри з серверами в Україні були змушені призупинити роботу або переїхати.
Але це не вина російських громадян.
Російські громадяни піддавалися цензурі з боку російського уряду до такої міри, що вони також були на межі того, щоб не мати можливості грати в ігри.
У цензурний період ця "дискусія" слугувала для російського народу місцем надання необхідної інформації та шляхів "обходу" цензури.
Именно российское правительство бросило игру в политику.
Также были подозрения, что сервис Steam больше не будет предлагаться для России.
Поэтому. Российские пользователи даже были вынуждены создавать резервные копии, чтобы играть в автономном режиме.
Ви вільні не бажати бачити те, що вам не подобається.
Що відбувається з Вами, коли російський уряд розглядає те, що Вам не подобається?
Теперь вы копируете российское правительство.
Вы не обязаны отвечать на это, но спросите себя.
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Чувак, ты буквально только что пришел на сайт и пытаешься диктовать старожилам, о чем тут можно и нельзя писать. Это точно нормально?
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Yes, deaths of hundreds of thousands people are always funny to you russians, aren't they?
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ukrainians the same, they laughing on refugees before feb 24st.
there were a lot of videos in march how they laughing on dead bodies of young russian soldiers.
so it is not about nation. people are all the same no matter which side.
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Rashists love to cut off genitals and desecrate skulls. If you're feeling Rashist enough, hurry up and join Putin's army.
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But if we're talking about laughing - yes, I enjoy seeing dead russian soldiers. They came here to kill, rob and rape. The more or them die, the less evil they can bring to our land. So Ukrainians celebrate the deaths of the invader soldiers.
You, on the other hand, seem to revel in seeing Ukrainian civillians get hurt, raped, tortured, killed. It's all fun to you.
See the difference?
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Don't try to compare people happy that invaders that destroyed their life are dead, and people happy that civilians in another country, who did literary nothing bad, are dead. We are not the same.
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russia invaded another country, they deserved this!
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A video on Reddit about 'the people stranded at the Russian border' (previously reported by Kappaking): Rats fleeing to Belgorod (Russia). Traffic jam at the border.
Maybe this is the Rashists' safety net. The Kremlin may want to keep pro-Kremlin Ukrainians and some Russians in Ukraine to relaunch another 'special military operation'.
The worst thing is that 2.5 million Ukrainians were forcibly deported to Russia, thanks to false humanitarian corridors. Among the 2.5 million people deported so far were 38,000 children, many of whom had been torn from their parents' arms. This war is not over until the deportees are freed from the Rashists.
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Thank you for helping to dispel my doubts about who fired rockets into the city of Donetsk and genociding millions of russian speaking ukrainians across Ukraine who lived their for many generations.
I leave this thread and won't bother you anymore, continiue spreadinng lies, shit and trash as much as you want.
p.s. CNN is a garbage bin spreading lies too.
no offence
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@SoukouAkkiStargazer - Thank you for helping to dispel my doubts about who fired rockets into the city of Donetsk and genociding millions of russian speaking ukrainians across Ukraine who lived their for many generations.
Damn you're so out of reality!
Fortunately, the casualties of the Russian-Ukrainian war are far from the million.
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i'm baffled how this thread attracts the worst russian bots, who then start with topics, which were already discussed and disproven 20 pages before, trying to paint Ukrainians as Nazis again and talking garbage about some genocide
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There's a meme explaining R logic.
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I think you got it all backwards.
Ukrainians are forcing Russian troops to leave
And Russians decided to have their revenge and target the city and civilian buildings.
Like I have previously stated, Look at what Russians say that others do and you will know what they are doing.
Proven true again by you spreading lies here and then say that others are spreading lies.
So it is a good thing that you leave really but I pity the other places that have to deal with you...
no offence.
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genociding millions of russian speaking ukrainians across Ukraine who lived their for many generations.
AFAIK, that's just propaganda. Remember that Putin controls Russian media. There's no free press any more which could point out lies without getting arrested.
https://www.google.com/search?q=fact+check+genociding+millions+of+russian+speaking+ukrainians
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Russia has just struck civilian infrastructure in retaliation for a massive military defeat. This is such a disgrace that now even Putin's supporters should be ashamed.
It's like if you get your ass kicked in a fight and you run away and kick a kitten along the way in revenge.
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Just how he is, just how his "mighty army" is. Only mighty when attacking defenseless.
Fucking cowards.
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Just a reminder how reacts users here on the same situation on other side.
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I am happy when invaders, who destroyed my life, are dead.
You are happy when civilian people, who did nothing bad, are dead.
We are not the same.
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Will there be any proofs that I rejoiced in someone's death? Or are you just posting bullshit again?
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You are trying to advocate those who clearly happy about it. Why would you do it, if you are not like them? Is there any proofs that you are at least a tiny bit not like them, or are you just posting bullshit again?
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Everyone knows your rhetoric about "kebabs" on May 2 in Odessa, about the killed female Colorados in Lugansk on July 2, and your other Nazi rhetoric about orcs, nonhumans etc. So who else is trying to justify anyone here. This whole thread is trying to justify the crimes of the Ukrainian government for the last 8 years. And now you decided to ask "And why us? We(Ukrainian govvernment) thought that we could kill civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk and never get any reaction."
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Russian government has started and is responsible for the war in Ukraine, when do they get the same treatment?
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Seems like you are not to strong in politics and in connections between countries.
Russia is now operating under a cooperation agreement with the DPR and LPR. Accordingly, Russia helps them and tries to force peace in Ukraine, and stop the war that Mr. Turchynov with other, who usurped power in Ukraine in 2014, started in the same year against the inhabitants of Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
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Why don't you take the bullshit that you just spew with your mouth and shove it up your ass.
Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/11/21/russias-igor-strelkov-i-am-responsible-for-war-in-eastern-ukraine-a41598
And before you start whining how this is a western-sponsored media or something, here, two Russia-sponsored medias:
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/20/11/2014/546e278acbb20f6cca05fb53
https://lenta.ru/news/2014/11/20/strelkov/
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Do you want to say that you acknowledge the words of Strelkov? Then you should acknowledge his words in the article that all the inhabitants of those regions are for Russia, are Russian-speaking, and Ukraine is waging a war against Russian-speaking Ukrainians, and is conducting terror and repressions against these residents throughout the country. In fact, you now confirmed what I wrote earlier
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And you consider yourself to be strong in politics, I suppose? Your dumb arguments actually prove otherwise. Yeah, like DPR and LPR are even real countries, good (not) joke
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So called "DPR and LPR" are puppet governments of russia. Of course they are in agreement, what a surprise! Russia started this war 8 years ago, and those puppet governments are result of this war, not cause of it.
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Russia helps them and tries to force peace in Ukraine, and stop the war
stop a war which they started, pro-Kremlin bot logic
maybe get educated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas
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8 years ago russia started war in ukraine. russians are responsible for deaths in Odessa, and only russians are responsible for every death in Luhansk and Donetsk. Yes, we call you orks, because like orks, you attack civilians and destroy or steal everything you touch. This name is well deserved by your actions.
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But why? I mean, this has zero strategical sense. On the other hand, that's pretty much what our army has been mostly doing: attacking civilian objects. This looks like pure hysteria. And as happy as I am reading the news about counter-offensive, let's hope that panic won't eventually lead our glorious national leader to pressing that button (because he's totally able to).
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It's not strategical. It's a weak move by a wesk person with a weak army. Only retaliation he can do is against civillians, who can't fight back.
But it's good, in a way. This war (or operation, like some call it) has finally shown it's true colors. It's not about fighting nazis, or saving russian-speaking Ukrainians, nooo. It's about destroying our citues, it's about killing our people, it's about genocide and removing Ukraine from the map. That's what it has been from the very start, and now they just proved it, once again, but for a wider audience.
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Interesting scenes on Russian TV. It's a wild mixture of all their failures and lies, with few options to adapt to reality. I can't deny that I enjoyed seeing them attack each other.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1569070513909022720?t=DoBYvEHr8owsm1-s0vUHRQ&s=19
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Wow. I just watched that. They really are delusional.
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Occasionally some of them manage to unravel one aspect of the real situation, just to be silenced with the most simple-minded propaganda slogans. No idea how Russians manage to endure this charade.
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you can clearly make out the orkz, holding up a sign with "Nazi"
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Sensible people get a headache from these simple minded slogans on repeat.
The group of mind controlled people in Russia is still large due to having been spoon fed these tactics since birth.
I do see progress though,
no one seems to have mentioned, we must NUKE them all as they usually did before.
Although one could have been hinting at it.
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This is unusual for Russian state TV, there are fewer Z morons than usual.
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At least one person was brave enough to call on the bullshit that's happening now. Shame he gets shut down so hard.
But also it's fun to see those fucking assholes tear at each other. They are afraid, and that's good. They understand they're fucked, and that's great.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/kadyrov-visit-putin-situation-front-103505902.html
Everyone is finally waking up and realizing the horrendous failures putler has made.
That is good of course, but this piece of news of cuntdyrov going to kremlin to bitch about the situation could lead to him falling out of the window by mistake or drinking some tea that will greatly "upset" him. So we could have a win-win.. Get the world rid of one sick propagator and kremlin losing even his dumbest supporters.
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It's hard to get rid of Kadyrov by throwing him out the window, garden gnomes are often on the ground. A lawnmower accident could be useful.
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Putin orders oligarchs
... the ones that haven't yet died in mysterious or shady circumstances anyway...
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Sergej Sumlenny on Twitter: "Ukrainian army has reached the border to Russian Belgorod oblast. No RU troops in sight. If wanted, UKR could advance further into RU. Obviously, no such decision (militarily important, but politically unrealistic, as the West would be terrified) was made " / Twitter
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1569106784027287553
📹Ukrainian soldiers, recalling the terms of their support, are keeping a watchful eye on Russia's borders, keeping in step with the international community.🙄(probably)
I recall that when Finland was invaded by the Soviet Union, it eventually used the territory it had reverse-aggressed as a bargaining chip to regain much of its land.
The Russian government's response was to attack Ukraine's civilian infrastructure.
Still, until it regains all of Ukraine, in general terms, it is unlikely that Ukrainian soldiers will cross the border unless they are attacked on Russian territory.
That, too, will depend on the attitude of the Russian government.🤔
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I hardly doubt that the scenario of UA going into Russia is realistic.
This could be used as a good demoralizing rhetoric of how kremlin is so underprepared they can't even guard their own borders. But UA is the underdog here, they got attacked and west stepped in to help them.
Support for them has been with the ideology of reclaiming what has been occupied by Russia. If they went further and actually attacked Russia on its soil, it would not only be impossible to do with losses UA has suffered, but also go against how the west sees UA - as someone who is trying to stand against aggressor. They can't be the aggressor in this scenario if they don't want to lose publics opinion of them. And of course west should be "terrified" or at least cautious of something like this happening - there is literally nothing that putler wouldtn twist in favor of him. That would be brilliant for him to say - "look how the evil west supplied UA to invade us. Hate west for wanting to destroy russian values etc etc etc".
So if we want to stay clear of another cold war or confrontation with Russia, UA should (and I do believe they will) concentrate on reclaiming territory instead of going over the border. But of course we will see with time how this develops.
Godspeed to them and lets hope the counteroffensive won't stall much.
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It's called the big picture view.
Of course I agree that I would like it to be so.
I feel that we are in a period of "war fatigue" due to the prolonged war, and that this is the time to make more choices that would not normally occur.
Mistakes made by the enemy are gratifying, and those made by the allies are tragic, and history has shown us this time and time again.
Ukraine's economy is, of course, already priced in, so as long as Western support is not cut off, there should be no problems.
Russia's economy is expected to take a nosedive starting in October.
The Russian government is a group of people who naturally know what will happen before it happens.
(It will have to repay the long overdue countries, but that's what countries that have been through wars have gone through.)
Incidentally, the Soviet Union has a history of defaulting on those debts.
Those who read the logs will notice that the airliner has not been returned.
They have done the same in past world wars by borrowing them and not returning them.
Even if this war were to end early, it would be pretty tough to have a reason to invest in Russia ever again.
Incidentally, the availability of ammunition is "inexhaustible" if there is no "means to check".
There have been countries in the past that have won occupation by this method and bluffing....
Fortunately, Ukraine is taking advantage of the eyes of the international community.
The Russian government has only murky eyes.
I hope that this difference will be utilized for the better.
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I feel that we are in a period of "war fatigue"
i don't see that yet, the war is still very present in our medias, reporting each day with several live feeds
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I don't say that all you said is not correct, but you made one mistake - another cold war is already started (by russia). You probably meant "world war" there.
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not to mention russia would be in a defensive scenario and would have a justification to use nuclear weapons
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Russia is trying to maintain its status as the largest supplier of military equipment for the Ukrainian army
https://www.businessinsider.com/fleeing-russian-troops-left-behind-ammo-weaponry-for-ukraine-counteroffensive-2022-9
https://www.newsweek.com/russians-leave-ammunition-tanks-retreating-kharkiv-photo-1742120
https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-fleeing-fast-left-equipment-ukraine-official-1741829
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ9RbDLxkws
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/11/exclusive-russian-soldiers-literally-running-lives-chain-command/
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-troops-drop-guns-flee-ukraine-counteroffensive-reports-2022-9
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According to The Kyiv Independent, the Russians abandoned a total of 336 fighting vehicles from Sept. 7-11. A full 102 vehicles were abandoned on Sept. 11 alone, most of them in Kharkiv Oblast.
Vehicles left behind (pictures) - Many t(h)anks (video) - ammo cache seized (pictures) - another ammo cache seized (video)
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Russian forces lost hundreds of pieces of equipment during Kharkiv retreat, analysts say
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-13-22/h_9b522ffcf573396e99cbe013db8449cb
Looking at CNN's story on that matter, it seems to be based on verification by "Oryx". I am attaching a link to the CNN story on the matter for your reference.
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Russia-Ukraine war: Russian intelligence officers and military commanders flee Crimea, Kyiv claims – live | Ukraine | The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/sep/13/russia-ukraine-war-blinken-hails-significant-progress-as-ukraines-forces-reach-russian-border-in-north
As Ukraine calls for more weapons, pressure mounts on Germany to fulfil its commitment:
The general story is that Russian officials have fled the Crimean Peninsula.🙂
As usual, there is a story on board about supplies not reaching Ukraine from Germany.
I won't attach the link because it is too shocking, but the ”The Sun” You Tube has the explosion at the Ukraine thermal power plant on it.
It was caused by an infrastructure attack during the Russian military retreat. :(
On the economic front, I think I saw a story somewhere that gas prices may not be higher in the EU in the winter, but I forget the source.
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Also from the Guardian, the traces left by the Russian occupation in the Kharkiv region
Lesia Vasylenko, a member of the Ukrainian parliament, spoke of discovering the beheaded bodies of Ukrainian military, human faeces everywhere, widespread looting and terrorised teenagers who were still too scared to leave their basements. “Liberation uncovers many crimes. It’s as if we are on the verge of hundreds, if not thousands Buchas, just of a smaller scale,” Vasylenko said,
About Russian officials fleeing the Crimean Peninsula
"Despite the assurances of the population that it is safe to stay on the peninsula, representatives of the occupation administration of Crimea, FSB employees, and commanders of some military units are secretly trying to sell their homes and urgently evacuate their relatives from the peninsula." - a Ukrainian report
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First link. Don't forget to remove the Referrer part.
The story you added while I was sleeping is a disgusting topic....(ﾉΘ`)
Is it the barbarism of the Russian military....
But after seeing much worse in the recent UN report📝
, I have a feeling that the Russian military has once again committed murderous thievery on the battlefield.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/medvedev-terrified-security-guarantees-ukraine-160948240.html
Literally quoting bible verses while threatening west with nuclear weapons. Source - that morons telegram channel post from yesterday
It's fascinating and scary - deputy chairman of security council is literally a degenerate. Psychotic degenerate at that. Let's just hope he is all bark no bite and whatever happens he sees the same fate as putin and lavrov.
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I mean I really have no words. We know that the crazies that work in propaganda channels in Russia are totally fucking insane, and we are already used to their threats and lies. But this is an official figure in Russian government... And he is quoting bible to threaten world with total destruction.
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A reference to the use of nuclear weapons? It says that if we pump up weapons further, the conflict will get out of control and simply become much wider with the involvement of OTHER countries that are not at war now. For example, this is Georgia, where they are thinking of opening a second front. That's what the message itself is about.
About the text of the Yahoo news itself is taken from the Ukrainian truth, about which there is a link on top, but they added the lower part. But this is not in the Telegram. (this paragraph added)
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I know that your only goal here is to try to turn attention to little insignificant details to mask the attention on the big topic, but there is this thing called logic. And you can try to derail every convo as much as you want of course, but the fact remains.
Firstly - https://www.reuters.com/world/russias-medvedev-warns-united-states-messing-with-nuclear-power-is-folly-2022-07-06/ - Medvedev has threatened with nuclear weapons constantly (and dont even try to claim this is not a threat. Of course it's worded so it's not an open threat but it's clearly implied). Since we know his agenda we can be pretty clear in deducing this post of his is clearly a reference to dropping nuclear bombs.
Also I don't get what you are saying by "they added the lower part" ... the quotation from bible is literally there in his original post on telegram.
Also I don't like yahoo news. But in this case it clearly is not an opinion of theirs (or original medias for that matter).. Its a look at post made by medvedev himself.
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I know that your only goal here is to try to turn attention to little insignificant details to mask the attention on the big topic, but there is this thing called logic. And you can try to derail every convo as much as you want of course, but the fact remains.
It happens just that the main thing is hidden in these little things, but not very important things are put on the forefront just to pay attention. This is attention manipulation. Professional journalists have this, and they just make the right emphasis. If you watch an article about the same thing, but journalists with different opinions, then the same thing will be described, but with different accents. There will be no silencing, they can already show it and stop reading, that's why they put accents.
Firstly - https://www.reuters.com/world/russias-medvedev-warns-united-states-messing-with-nuclear-power-is-folly-2022-07-06/ - Medvedev has threatened with nuclear weapons constantly (and dont even try to claim this is not a threat. Of course it's worded so it's not an open threat but it's clearly implied). Since we know his agenda we can be pretty clear in deducing this post of his is clearly a reference to dropping nuclear bombs.
The threat was that if the teachers of the new order come with their fists and try to teach, then they will already use their fists. "Кто с нам мечом придёт, то от меча и погибнет" ("Whoever comes to us with a sword will perish by the sword." original in Russian) https://spb.tsargrad.tv/news/kto-k-nam-s-mechom-vragam-rossii-putin-otvetil-evangelskoj-citatoj_242259. And Medvedev has no agenda, it seems there is such a politician, he walks somewhere, writes something.
Also I don't get what you are saying by "they added the lower part" ... the quotation from bible is literally there in his original post on telegram.
Background: This part, it wasn't in the Telegram.
As you can understand, this was said by Slutsky, and he is the leader of the LDPR. If Zhirinovsky tells you something, then he was the leader of this party just earlier. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/09/13/7367301/ And here it is.
Also I don't like yahoo news. But in this case it clearly is not an opinion of theirs (or original medias for that matter).. Its a look at post made by medvedev himself.
No, you are partly right here, but partly not. This is a reprinted news from the Ukrainska Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/, about which there is a link at the top with their supplement. There is no supplement in the Telegram.
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"Vladimir Putin's chief envoy on Ukraine told the Russian leader as the war began that he had struck a provisional deal with Kyiv that would satisfy Russia's demand that Ukraine stay out of NATO, but Putin rejected it and pressed ahead with his military campaign, according to three people close to the Russian leadership.
The Ukrainian-born envoy, Dmitry Kozak, told Putin that he believed the deal he had hammered out removed the need for Russia to pursue a large-scale occupation of Ukraine, according to these sources. Kozak's recommendation to Putin to adopt the deal is being reported by Reuters for the first time.
Putin had repeatedly asserted prior to the war that NATO and its military infrastructure were creeping closer to Russia's borders by accepting new members from eastern Europe, and that the alliance was now preparing to bring Ukraine into its orbit too. Putin publicly said that represented an existential threat to Russia, forcing him to react.
But, despite earlier backing the negotiations, Putin made it clear when presented with Kozak's deal that the concessions negotiated by his aide did not go far enough and that he had expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory, the sources said. The upshot: the deal was dropped."
Source: Exclusive: As war began, Putin rejected a Ukraine peace deal recommended by aide @Reuters
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Russia was not threatened by NATO. Rashists do not like the NATO alliance because it protects its members from Russian predation.
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A new entry among the 2022 Russian businessmen mystery deaths, Ivan Pechorin, Aviation Director for Russia's Far East and Arctic Development Corporation. Perhaps he fell from his boat, his body was found washed up.
There is also the death of Vladimir Sungorkin, editor-in-chief of pro-Kremlin tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda. The tabloid has been described as Putin's "favorite paper". Vladimir Sungorkin died suddenly, a stroke was suspected.
Hmm, nothing suspicious.
How to spot a former Russian headquarters among the rubble? Video answer
Zelensky came to the liberated city of Izyum, while Putin remains locked up in palaces.
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