sad, but there is plenty of games besides them, im fine waiting for 1 year.
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"Why’d we do this?
So we had a big decision to make, and we didn’t take it lightly.
Because Epic doesn’t yet have the same market share as their competitors, they offered us a minimum guarantee on sales that would match what we’d be wanting to earn if we were just selling Ooblets across all the stores."
Oo
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That blog post is hilarious.
I get the appeal of wanting to seek out things to get angry about. Venting anger is cathartic and natural, but let’s have just a little perspective about what we decide to get angry about. Look at the things going on around you and ask yourself if there might be anything just a tad more worthwhile to be upset about.
Here are just a few suggestions:
- Climate change
- Human rights abuses
What a bunch of arrogant twats.
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I'm sure they'll do fine. It's not like Fortnite money isn't going to be a sustainable way to finance games...
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Wow after reading those posts this is one game coming off my list of things to buy. No way I'd ever consider supporting such a toxic douchebag.
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Haha. Pleased that this isn't on Steam. That way, I don't risk forgetting what a bunch of incorrigible ballsacks these guys are and accidentally buying it in a sale...
Kind regards,
A Baby Gamer -x-
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Epic are really doing gamers a solid by keeping this game quarantined.
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It's incredible how toxic they are to their fans and people interested in the game. I've read a reddit thread about it few hours ago and was shocked at how they threat people. The biggest shock was definitely the reply to Crusism's post; absolutely disgusting way of treating someone who has supported them through patreon for a good while.
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Well once you take the epic guaranteed money that covers all lost sales compared to expected number set upfront, you don't really care if people will actually buy your game and like it. I mean, if you're that kind of dev who's only after money, of course.
I understand it could be a lot of money epic throws on some devs and they might have responsibility to their families/kids not to refuse it but... some of them really end up just being jerks about it.
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They don't think about the future though. What if Epic doesn't back their second game, the community will remember how they treated them and it'll backfire. They're not just toxic, they're rather dumb. This was a pretty bad PR for them and they got bad reputation and it's only their first game.
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I agree. Unless they changed their minds about making games, decided to sell out while they can and don't really care about the future because they're going back to cleaning swimming pools for example. But even in that case, they end up looking like jerks I'd say.
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Perplamp isn't a dev is he. Pleeease tell me that is not a dev. Please.
If dev this game deserves death, what a terrible people. Enjoy your entitled gamerless sales: None.
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According to the Reddit posted just above its a 2dev game though, this guy and his wife. So yeah, it's even worse than it seemed at first, which was pretty bad already.
Also, good job on marketing... man. 0_0
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My bad. After research, he has experience with web development. Not so much in games. The web archive from his personal website is a mine of information with captures dating back to 2008.
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I have read the reddit posts. This has quickly gone to "never heard of it" to "NEVER, EVER, BUY ANY GAME FROM THEM EVER. NOT EVEN FOR FREE"
I mean, is it so difficult to behave like a decent human being to a fan that has been financially supporting you for years?
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Yep, they clearly can't bend any lower, after sucking Tim's Epic bribe. I bet they didn't spill a single penny.
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It's really sad how money can bring the worst of people. 99% of the devs who toke the Epic money were really good toward their community till the deal after that, they ignore the forums, insult the fans, block them, etc... what a bummer.
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Huh, I actually considered the blog post pretty risky but mostly witty. Then I clicked on the images you provided ... holy shit. Sadly I can't pretend that I ever was interested in their game to begin with, so boycotting them would be rather pointless. :p
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Yes, I agree! I thought the blog post was actually very well written, and I think most of the comments on it missed the point and were undeserved.
The discord responses after that, however, were a disaster. Maybe the blog post was written by someone else. :D
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I'm not trying to defend their behavior, but that guy's story sounds incredibly fishy. He says he pays 10-20USD a month on patreon, then try to frame it like the fact the game being released on Epic would make it impossible for him to buy it. The same guy who pays 10USD a month, can't buy a game because he would have to pay in USD on Epic... Something doesn't add up.
Being a patreon for a long time and not receiving a game for free is a valid concern, but the way he framed the story, it feels like he invented the whole thing to make the Devs/Epic look bad (which honestly, they don't need help, they do it themselves)
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Does it matter if the story adds up? The relevant part is how the dev reacted. He simply didn't care at all, there wasn't even some hypothetical empathy.
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is it just me or is it weird that he called someone "my dude". you probably wouldn't expect the arrogant comments that followed.
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Nope. I expect anyone that uses a phrase like "my dude" to be an arrogant shit. It's condescending as hell.
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Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with some people?
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Hilarious indeed! Climate change....What's next? Being upset about puberty?
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Yikes :(
Been looking forward to ooblets for the last few months but I guess I’m not gonna play at all with this type of developers. :/
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Wow, that guy's just burning his career's future for no reason at all, is he enjoying this mess?
I mean he could have tried to simply explain the situation and then wait for the storm to pass, instead he's atop an antena daring the clouds to strike him down with lightning. F*cking unreal.
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That third image... So basically, the devs think because they are guranteed money from Epic, they can treat their customers like garbage? That's a new low.
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Oh I love how this dude used to give advice on marketing
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TOTALLY A MONSTER !
I want to see what GAMERS™ said too. There is no context here.
Just imagine you get insulted by entitled 7ys old.
People screaming at you that you should die, that you should go bankrupt, that they'll pirate your work, that you are a "traitor", that you should work for free because they are amazing and deserve that.
His behavior was terrible, but I can understand what was going on in his head.
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The blog post making fun of loyal customers, and mentioning how entitled we are, and to worry about global warning came before anything else. There was no context because there wasn't anything before. The rest, you can check it yourself on reddit.
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And Thank God, for Him!
But YongYea's video is cool too.
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damn, this guy are really honest.... wont buy his game ever
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You wont need to ignore it now, cos it wont be on steam :D
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Well, they have every right to do as they please, they just shouldn't expect there will be no consequences. And what's this thing with dev calling everyone "entitled baby gamer"? Just comes off as a hypocritical bigot.
I also like the trend of replacing any negative feeling towards someone or something with being labeled "angry". As if there are no more concerns, annoyances, frustrations, dissapointments... None of that, people are just angry entitled cis gendered white neckbeard males apparently...
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Never heard of it but that blog post was just... yikes... the hubris
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https://imgur.com/a/7du1ztj
https://imgur.com/a/WuCceIP
(perplamps and nonplayerkat are devs)
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I'm really liking this part where Origin gives money to EA to make the games exclusive. Talk about a good argument!
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I had heard a few things about what they were saying, but now I am reading the whole thing.
It's actually worse than what I thought.
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i read this just before writing "support the devs" in another thread. 😂
the reality is these developers don't care about anyone but themselves, and customers should learn to do the same.
drop the loyalty act and that sense you owe them something. we could all die and they wouldn't care at all.
gaming is a business, and it should be treated as such. no room to be a fanatic like a raging apple fanboy.
remember, you owe developers nothing.
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Agreed. But then it should go both ways. Drop the loyalty act, also drop the "hate and boycott every company that does something I don't like" act. No need to hate a company for doing company stuff. This one clearly said some shitty things. Seems they tried to be sarcastic about it, but did it all wrong. Still, I understand why they and the others took the deal. Most of the people in here would have done the same. In a business as fragile as game development, you take every chance you get at keeping your company alive for a few more months. A guaranteed sales deal is like winning the lottery for most indie devs. This means several people get they wages, can feed their families and pay their bills for a while longer. Doing that is a good decision, and I am amazed how gamers can even blame them for that. For the strange way they tried to explain the situation? Sure. But not for the deal itself.
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Seems they tried to be sarcastic about it, but did it all wrong
Seems to me they tried to be assholes about it, but did it all too well.
Congrats to them, I guess. You reap what you sow.
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also drop the "hate and boycott every company that does something I don't like" act.
i'm the one paying them, so i have the right to complain all i want when they lie (the classic "move to epic" or "multiplayer no man's sky") or release unfinished games.
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Seems they tried to be sarcastic about it, but did it all wrong.
And then continued to do it wrong when confronted about it, then said more shitty and abusive things to their potential customers, and then replied more shitty and abusive things in reply to those replies. Yeah it's alright if they took the deal, but they were giant pricks about it.
And then you have Sweeney being a giant prick about it, too. I mean, if you're trying to sell a product, you don't flip off and curtly say "fuck you" to everyone who doesn't buy it, and especially not on social media where people who were planning on buying it are going to have second thoughts about supporting giant pricks (or the platform that backs them being giant pricks).
This isn't even about their business deal. This is about the way they behaved after taking the business deal.
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what`s that? some kind of farmville game going epic exclusive?
edit: just noticed the screenshots.
get woke, go broke is the theme here.
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An interesting perspective on the matter I found on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/cl3yoc/the_developers_behind_ooblets_are_a_textbook/evu45qv/
Actually, after having a little discussion in their discord, I don't think the issue is the gaming community, it's a projection of their realization that making an indie game isn't easy money, it actually requires lots of work and luck.
In their discord channel, one of them argued that EGS was better for indie because Steam was bad and then linked a couple clickbait articles about new indie game devs, who had released a fairly substandard game on Steam, only sold a thousand units or so, and blamed steam and gamers for it.
You know when those indie devs call gamers entitled? I think it's their projection of their feeling of entitlement for customers. If they aren't selling games, it isn't their fault, their game is flawless, it's because of those damn gAmErS and fuck steam. This is something I've seen happen with almost every single EGS devs, they're happy that they don't have to compete anymore, they've just won, they finally get easy money like they dreamt of. It seems a lot of indie devs started their education with ideals like Stardew Valley where one dude makes a couple millions "Easily."
I did manage to get a point across because apparently they had never actually looked at what the EGS looked like, because they kept saying it's "so much easier to find indie title" and I asked them to find some indie game released earlier this year. Apparently he didn't even realize that EGS has no filter function, no tags, no genre, and you can only browse it by scrolling down.
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This is an underrated reddit comment that gets to the core differences between Steam and EGS: Its about the exposure & marketing required to be "financially successful" - Lots required of Steam and none on EGS if you are exclusive.
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I see this mindset more and more among new devs, who for some reason believe their game is a new SMB/Isaac/Fez/... and just because it's on Steam it's supposed to be a hit... and then when it's not, it's somehow Steam's fault for not keeping it on frontpage all the time.
I mean,
- SMB/Isaac/Fez/... are indie games, but are even today top of the indie offering, could easily have been made by professional teams and huge publishers too and they are like 1% of all indie games released since 2000. Today, even those games would need some luck to break through and reach wider audience though, which leads to...
- back then indie games were refreshing breeze compared to stale AAA market, today it's the opposite. We get at least 5-10 interesting AAA titles nowadays, libraries of most Steam users are "decent size" and people stopped buying everything a long time ago and got picky, which is good.
- Steam is now a massive storefront and not an accidental marketing tool like in 2012 where just being listed meant huge publicity for your game (which is good, believe it or not, because some indie gems I've played in 2009-2015 couldn't even get on steam before greenlight/direct era started, and certainly deserved it even back then).
Not trying to say I know everything, far from it, but at least I know my game is a niche product and won't be liked by everyone just because it's indie and made by one person. That's a ridiculous expectation. And it being on Steam only helps people who already know of it and want it, to buy it in a safe and secure environment that offers many different paying methods - which neither buyer nor I have to worry about. Like, that's it, that's what you get and being angry that there's no free promo, some sort of elitist status for being listed and such is ridiculous.
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"We get at least 5-10 interesting AAA titles nowadays"
Huh, where? You mean the Japenese offering or ports of old console exclusives?
Cause to me it seems during the Isaac time AAA was still strong. Unlike modern days where you better be a whale out for mindless shaking or don't bother...
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Meant per year. Not sure how I omitted it from the sentence.
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Yeah, got that. But I still can't reach that even adding console exclusives exclusives like Red Dead, where indies have little worries about since most won't get console releases.
While back in 2004 AAA was strong.
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Can't blame them for that. I'd have done the same if I were them. Hell toxic pics from above comments(discord) would have been worse if it came from me. The only reason I dislike Epic Game Store is because it sucks, but I don't think I'll have a problem once they improve it.
Regional pricing please? In my local currency not USD crap converted.
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Make an arrogant, passive aggressive blog post insulting your customers.. err "Gamers™", dismiss any criticisms of the Epic games store. Really hope they get some backlash for this one.
Shame too cause this actually looked like a fun game.
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that's embarrassing just to read, they should have jumped straight to the point, cut down the humorous introduction.
i totally understand small devs taking this route, it makes it easier to save funding for other projects "The upfront money they’re providing means we’ll be able to afford more help and resources to start ramping up production and doing some cooler things."
However it crosses the line when you were receiving funding from backers before you had any concrete build of the game or support from major companies, and then fail to meet with your word to those who paid from their own pocket, forgetting that these was the reason you were able to continue working on the game.
with that said, it always inspires a lot more trust, when the developer/publisher believes the sales numbers will match or surpass EPIC´s offer.
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Jim Sterling did an amazing video about this whole thing. I recommend everyone interested in this topic or want to know what's going on to check it out
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Fairly certain that's his new one from this morning. First I think I've heard of the game of dev, and wowza if I care whether it's the last.
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Man, so much defensiveness in one blog post. Obviously they were feeling a little guilty about taking the Epic deal.
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Such contempt for their own audience.
You can take subsidies for your potential lost sales but at the end of the day people buying the game and liking it is what's important long term. Lashing out and talking down to people is going to make that a bit more difficult.
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Wow.
I don't think I've come across that combo of "game that looks like I would love it" and "super douchy devs" since Fez :/
Well, Animal Crossing for switch is coming next year if all goes well, so I can easily wait 5 years for them to release their game somewhere else, that is if I decide to buy it anyway despite their attitude :/
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Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...oh wait that's not gamers, because they're getting a minimum sales guarantee from EGS instead of actually having to care about marketing and connecting to gamers.
Its just bonkers for a dev to be like "I'm gonna create what I want, get paid, and not care about who buys or enjoys this" - Devs arent gonna be able to get exclusive funding multiple times in a row, nor is EGS gonna be able to afford it forever...
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You know, I didn't even care that they were moving the the Epic Store, because not only is it a timed exclusive, wanting to be sure to make their investment worthwhile, especially for such a small team on what I assume is their first game (and not some half-assed pixel game trying to sell itself as "minimalist"), but when you come out swinging like this, and attack anyone who says anything, even if they're being nice about it, you immediately turn me off.
I get that they don't care, because they're getting their money on this game no matter what they do, but when nobody wants to buy it because you're an aggressive manchild throwing around the toxic word every other sentence, I don't think Epic is going to want to fund your second game. I was already on the fence about this game, but I'm rolling in that grass, now; gonna go inside soon, and probably play some video games.
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I'm all in for indie games going EGS exclusive because of the huge sum of money they get but these guys are just so condescending. This is exactly how you don't treat your audience.
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The ones I really feel bad for in all this are the Patreons. They gave these devs large amounts of money for ages thinking they were helping out some good natured people make a good natured game, just to find out the devs were basically cursing all their fans under their breath the entire time.
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Patreon and crowdfunding are risky business though, you can't gamble on a product and then complain later.
If solid promises were made okay, then you can say "WTF my dudes?!", they conned you into giving them money.
It's like pre-ordering, usually you just end up giving someone money so they can disappoint you.
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They're kind of shitting on some their supporters though, saying "we don't owe you anything" instead of maybe "thanks for your support, sorry you can't buy the game for a fair price in your currency when it comes out" (it's true, unless there were promises made on patreon, they don't owe them anything, but they don't have to be assholes about it either). And they seem to dismiss everyone who's not all for this Epic deal as a "baby gamer" (what even is that?) and not a real fan, which probably hurts if you've been sending them money and were looking forward to a Steam release.
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Oh yeah, I'm not saying this Ben person isn't a total dick. I'd be asking him if these parents he mentioned he loves are proud of him talking like that. How they can create something so sweet and cute while being so bitter and sarcastic is beyond me. (Ben and his wife, not the parents :P) Guess they have a very corporate mindset, do anything to get ahead.
Funniest thing is the baby gamer comment, cos Epic can pay him because of the baby gamers (Fortnite (pre) teens)
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Welp, I'd never heard of this until that mess. Too bad, it looks right up my alley, and I don't care too much about timed exclusives, I'd just wait, but they really don't seem to care anymore - they keep saying it's not aimed at their fans, just "baby gamers", but still they insult their patreons, people who actively supported them. I guess I'll stick with Stardew Valley and Dragon Quest Builders 2, and like someone mentioned above, a new Animal Crossing is coming out next year as well, plus new Pokemon ...
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To me the game doesn't looks good anyway, looks like hipster version of pokemon.
The art style and color so childish like it's targeted for 5 year old girl.
Instead of battle they have dance battle, how lame.
The running animation is so weird, like they got something on their ass.
Also it's only single player without creature trading and battles.
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I know quite a few people were looking forward to this game, so thought it was worth making a thread for:
https://ooblets.com/2019/07/we-did-the-thing/
They've also locked the Ooblets sub-Reddit forum so no one can complain there.
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