ill only support nts in games if either it will let me usethe assets bought across every game and cross platform or theyre resellable (and a marketplace for em) with the high probbility of value going up.
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You don't need NFTs to be able to have resellable items, games have had markets for a long time without need for the blockchain.
On the other hand, implementing items across multiple games can be a logistics nightmare, doing so across every game out there is just not realistically doable.
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well only vr games exist to me when it comes to spending money and with nfts gettng thrown around with the metaverse that developing ecosystem (outside of just meta) should be doable since its new enough to be implemented from the ground up
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"Some people who “play to have fun”. Man, those out-of-timers... It is obvious that the point of entertainment is to pay companies for the right to earn them money...
Seriously though, "contribution"? Because mods, fan art, user-created maps, spinoffs etc are not enough contribution obvs. That was the best thing they could think to sugarcoat it? This proves the concept is unsalvageable. Here's hoping the next get-rich-quick scam once this stupid thing blows over is not gaming relevant.
I thought Japanese companies had more dignity.
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I agree 1000%
I mean I play to have fun, and I stop playing when I "have" to play XYZ because such-and-so.
Some gamers contribute towards their team winning; eg they aren't glory-hounds but are willing to help others or play support roles.
And when they realize that NFTs are only as good as the website hosting the jpg; that NFTs do not and cannot contain a picture, but instead only contain a hyperlink to a picture and that the hyperlink is only good until the website goes down....
Well, let's just say I don't want to be around someone who spent his or her life savings on a hyperlink when the website hosting that image disappears.
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i disagree many comments here and have different point of view\opinion,for my point of view it's not matter,what square enix think or say,and it's 0 value or matter too what today player like me think or say about this.
if Someone , one day in future , realize a high quality games that can compete with "triple aaa" today games (let's say games as half life,zelda breath of the wild,halo infinite,god of war etc.) , and that for some reason will be able to pay MONEY let's say around $69,99€ every month to people when they play it (it's not matter if this is given in form of coupons\ntfs\credit\crypto or what etc.) then so the actual way to sell or rent\subscription videogames will disappear,because then the majority of people no one will care to buy bundles,subscribe to services.
And we see this already with games as Warframe,GenshinImpact,Spacelords or Sky sons of light,there is already right now some people that play these games for FREE and then these players not care so to buy or play other games,and this happen Without player get paid for do it...
BUT if then one day someone release games like this 4 for free and top of this PAY players for play too,well the actual business to sell games will extinct\finish in the same way that netflix has nearly finish the sell\buy of movies for the majority of people.
Xbox Game Pass Ultimate too in my opinion has been something gamechanger very big...
today generations of kids with only 14 euro can play via cloud hundreds of original genuine software games without the need of buy an expensive $500€ console every 4 years or expensive 1 single game at $69,99\99,99€
while instead some years ago if you born in a family poor and can't afford the console or the game you can't play,this is a very big change too,that in my opinion is not to understimate,without to talk about some country (europe\usa etc..) where kids now can earn 10€ at month only by doing ms rewards and with these buy games for free (when on deal)
But the play&earn model,if someone find a way to make it work and to make it be very high quality games,is something that will totally destroy subscription model too,because no one need subscribe a service for play 100 games if you can just play earn money and so buy all by yourself.
i also will not understimate the hackers community,that until today has miss in my opinion some genious and has been also so much "silent",maybe if one people will have the luck to see a new generation of hackers that include a genious and very talented people dedicated to games,maybe they can release something like play to earn that is big enough to compete with today big publishers (ea,square,ubisoft etc.) so i will not understimate this too.
and it's not hard then whit money to pay some talent people (developers,designers etc.) to make games for you,
sadly this is not the moment as we see more twitter\fanatic than real genious hackers,but this is not mean tomorrow or next year can't happen,we has see many cases of single people change entire business see "mp3","mega",peer to perr etc. so this can happen also about play and earn model.
Only because people of today is habit to buy games and act like greedy rich owners is not mean they can stop evolution of business and or games change.
Also who buy Movies\Films many years ago attack netflix and say it will be a fail...then things are changed
The same can be said about Cloud gaming stream,who today own expensive PC|console or have slow speed internet (like me) attack it,but maybe in future no one buy pc\console or they not exist too and people only play via cloud,things change,it's not matter what people say especially if what they is is only rant\mad\distruptive.
when have new creative tecnology,always win,indipendent from what people say.
in the channel Twitch,there is some girl LICK a microphone earn $250€ in 10 minutes
Now if we remove the girl,and the sexual act of lick,what we see is a new technology,that enable people to interact with other,and some people (probabily sick brain that feel alone,pay for feel less alone)
in the same way this can work and be applied to Play and Earn,only different is instead of use twitch,will use a game or ntfs,or crypto or whatever.
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Except AAA games that can pay out ~70 bucks a month already exist (in actually fungible money no less) and have existed for quite some time. The difference with your proposed model and the current model is that the current model has other players giving you (liquid and immediately usable) money while your proposed model has the company giving you 'money.' I and many others do not trust the utopic vision of NFTs and company crypto that people are peddling for the simple reason that it is not in any company's interest to just give people money.
The model for making money off of gaming has always been players/viewers paying players and never companies paying players for a reason. And in that reason lies the fundamental flaw of gaming NFT/crypto and its supposed 'benefits': if a gaming company can afford to give its players money, it can and will divert that money to the company (execs) instead. Always.
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Your vision is limited by the fact that you think only company's can make videogames.
Videogames is maked by Humans not by company,if one day in future humans or maybe also hackers or crypto groups create a game similar quality to the company then can do what i say.
Also NOT ALL companies is greedy,see the example of Hellblade that has been selled at lower price of around $19,99€ instead of $69,99€ also if is very high quality game (and if i not remember wrong Recore too was selled not much high)
So i hope in future videogames will have Honest company not greedy that create games with an internal economy where the player Richs,that like to pay\buy,will buy contents created by the players that is Creative for passion or that become creative for need (be poor etc.),so the players creative or poor don't receive the money from the company but receive the money directrly from the other richs players that want buy the contents (ntfs\crypto market or something) and alternative way like this that right now don't exist in the 99% of games selled today (let's say uncharted4,horizon zero dawn,god of war etc.) no one pay the players only ask players to pay $69,99€ or + and not give 1 cents to player... it's a GREEDY and OBSOLETE way to sell and to thing,this method will exting\finish in future,because people will go to play only games where they can earn for the most and so that will be future way to give games.
"it is not in any company's interest to just give people money."
And BTW already now Microsoft pay 10€ every 1 month to people that do Microsoft Rewards (without buy nothing) or also more than this if you do also XboxQuests,this is already "Something",because in 2 months you can make 20€ and buy a discounted full triple aaa game with that...
So this can be done in future also for GAMING instead of for Search\DoPools.
" if a gaming company can afford to give its players money, it can and will divert that money to the company (execs) instead. Always."
Your vision\point of view is obsolete,what i talk is the opposite money (half) will go to players not to execs,the others half will go to company,it's a future play and earn model that you can't understand now because you live with today pay\buy business view,same people that before buy movies can't believe or understand netflix or xbox game pass or cloud etc
When humans live in today technology,they is habit to attack\not believe new technology\opportunity that come in future.
We are the generation of now,habit to buy games at 69,99 and consoles at 500,so we do not believe a future where people will play via cloud with better graphic than consoles and will get paid for play or produce content for it too directly from an internal game economy without the company give nothing others players will give, Also in future players can pay other players for they go "NEXT" a level that they can't finish or things similar to this,for example i play but i'm not able to kill 2 monsters for whatever personal reason another player kill the monster for me in exchange of a reward that i earn precedently for free by create content or play and send to him etc.
possibility it's infinite,but must to change PEOPLE and GENERATION,this things can't come from the actual companies that is full of greedy old people and most of time from people that work at BANKS\INVESTORS and so have 0 interests to create decentralized rewards systems or crypto etc.
it's + probable that a game like this come from group of hackers or crypto experts converted to become just group of games creators that instead it's coming from today publishers\companies
Also when XBOX platform has stared all people own playstation nintendo only say no one will buy it,
but today the console have a slice of market,ok maybe inferior,but have.
The same can be said about xbox cloud gaming and xbox game pass,when they start people say it will never work and is not sustainable,president of playstation repeat this more times,but today the service it's alive and continue to bring new games also with very high speed every month,better than some "bundles" or services selled from other famous stores.
Same is happen about Streaming Tecnology or MP3 or also about Horses and Cars etc.,people that live of "NOW" do not believe future\different, not only this but they is also scared\attack\hateful about it,reject it most of time and try to make it not happen,
this is why today people still attack NFT etc. because is something new,they not know,they scared about it.
A Siringe can be used for Kill people or for do Bad Drug self...
BUT A Siringe can be used also for Save people or for do Vaccines...
is up to Humans how use it...
i believe in a future where NFT\CRYPTO\Decentralized internal games virtual economy etc.PAY the PLAYERS for play or create and the COMPANY too for give the game creation etc. and not in a future where company use these things for be greedy (but also if they do it they will LOSE because when\if who will create games in not greedy way people will go to play that instead of the others).
And in my opinion this is not "iF?" happen,but is "WHEN?" happen,because i'm 100% sure that this will happen.
Because the actual business is greedy make money only of the owner of the company,rich people investors etc,and most of time as we see now developer it's also harassed from the owner,we see already this happen in many famous company (sexual arassment,no respect of time "crunch" work or health etc.,STRESS etc.) and also the developers don't have the FREEDOM to create must DO what the company order to them
instead a system where ALL PEOPLE (who create the game,who work on it,and the player that play it) make a little bit of money divided for all and will have freedom to do all they want for the world of the game,it's a better system and will be supported from + people too because people itself will have interest to support it by earn and by live better with less stress,harass and more healt and time personal
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Your point boils down to idyllic communism
instead a system where ALL PEOPLE (who create the game,who work on it,and the player that play it) make a little bit of money divided for all and will have freedom to do all they want for the world of the game,it's a better system and will be supported from + people too because people itself will have interest to support it by earn and by live better with less stress,harass and more healt and time personal
via unchecked capitalism
i believe in a future where NFT\CRYPTO\Decentralized internal games virtual economy etc.PAY the PLAYERS for play or create and the COMPANY too for give the game creation etc.
under the assumption that you'll get the best of both systems rather than the much more likely outcome of the worst of both.
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yes this agree with you,so why i say,i think we need some genious come from next generations kids,for example people same leonardo da vinci or creator or someone have idea same gaben steam or kingdotcom mega or mp3 or bitcoin, etherum etc. must to be someone like this...
we can't think that company that base actual business only in sell games with old method will apply this... it's also very old people..
i think someone joung genious new must come for change things,and must be able also to create a group of talent people for do it,because alone can't do,is need designers,is need developers etc.,him must have the new idea,but then need talent people able to create beautiful game
and must to be someone that is care to change things and to explain to others how to do things also,because also this is need
because if instead is someone same u say act only for self or not explain or make for profit only company so never things change
must find right people use new tech for good other people,not for self
it's little bit same politic,if have people go politic only for take money never thing change better (and sometimes change in + bad too),
but when happen have politic (veeery rare rare time haaa,veeery very rare) go really for make good to coutnry and people then many things change,so we must hope one day genious come new generation future create game free that can earn,i believe,hope.
i remember hhhm very long time ago have one joung hacker ( i not remember his name) him make book be free share around all internet,then thanks to him some people can study medicine and create new medicine for cure sick,if not was for him they never study and never create because can't afford book,so i think for free games + earn play happen we need someone like him,not man of today companies act normal,we need someone that care other (maybe must be little bit crazy too and risk too) and that try apply nft,crypto,p2p and all new techs for do good to people and not for self profit,and must be someone that stay part of poor more than with richs
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Traditional gaming has offered no explicit incentive to this latter group of people, who were motivated strictly by such inconsistent personal feelings as goodwill and volunteer spirit. This fact is not unrelated to the limitations of existing UGC (user-generated content). UGC has been brought into being solely because of individuals’ desire for self-expression and not because any explicit incentive existed to reward them for their creative efforts. I see this as one reason that there haven’t been as many major game-changing content that were user generated as one would expect.
However, with advances in token economies, users will be provided with explicit incentives, thereby resulting not only in greater consistency in their motivation, but also creating a tangible upside to their creative efforts. I believe that this will lead to more people devoting themselves to such efforts and to greater possibilities of games growing in exciting ways.
Translation: "UCG currently sucks because people making it only do it out of passion and creative drive (and not because the corpos have actively discouraged it). People will only make cool things if they can make money off it (in a way that will let the corpos take a cut, of course)."
These people heralding NFTs and crypto as the future of gaming are the same clowns that insisted 10 years ago that PC gaming was dead, consoles were on the way out, and that mobile apps and F2P social games loaded with microtransactions were going to replace the entire industry. (Anybody remember Farmville? Yeah, me neither....)
It's the same in every industry. "Market researchers" get distracted by a current trend, and then they pitch it to investors and shareholders like that arrow on their chart is just going to keep on heading up forever. The initial trendsetters make a bundle before they eventually go poof, and everyone else shows up to the party right when the customers are moving on to next thing.
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"Motivated strictly by such inconsistent personal feelings as goodwill and volunteer spirit" is such a beautiful phrase, though. You can't make a parody of this statement because it does a perfect job undermining itself. I actually think it's refreshing to hear companies talk openly about the greed that motivates them (and how they think it should be all that motivates you, too), rather than avoid it by pretending that games are about fun. This is as close to an accurate mission statement as you'll get, and I appreciate that.
Oh, and not to be a spoilsport, but in terms of revenue, mobile apps loaded with microtransactions may not have replaced the entire industry, but they're definitely where the money is today -- there are far more players on mobile platforms than PC, and they produce more revenue than the console and PC markets combined. In the eyes of the corporate moneymakers, any twist on the theme of "recurrent user spending" that has even the slightest chance of making even more of that is worth exploring. Whether that means NFTs will remain a hot thing when the honeymoon is over is anyone's guess, but they almost literally can't afford not to take the risk in case this is the next big whale wallet slurper.
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Sadly that will represent like 1% of the sales. There are more idiots in this world than people that have any consideration for the future of anything we have right now.
The typical "we will see the problem, but we will see it too late to the point there is no return". Just like global warming, robots/AI replacing jobs, etc. There are very few people out there that are actually concerned about these things, and they are a minority.
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It's still stupid how you can literally find the entire collection (without the last game MoM of course) for 40$ or even less yet they think people will pa that much just to have them on PC. I have always been a fan of the saga but I'm not comfortable paying that much.
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Japanese companies are horrible with games and prices. They try to charge as much as they can for the same game with some new assets and anything else. Once again, bye to SquareEnix...
The best thing we are getting out of this, it's that the indie promissing companies have more audience because the AAA studios just try to squeeze the user as much as they can, pushing them back.
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+1 praise for your pic choice, had to save that.
Traditional gaming has offered no explicit incentive to this latter group of people, who were motivated strictly by such inconsistent personal feelings as goodwill and volunteer spirit.
Mmm yes, because modders and other fan content creators are motivated by.... by.... what are they motivated by? Hmmm, tricky concept. But I'm just a selfish person who plays to have fun so of course I wouldn't understand. ;P
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They see NFT as new lootboxes. Countries may de-legalize lootboxes in games for kids soonish, but it will again take them 10 or 15 years to see problem in NFTs and go after them as well. When money making lootboxes start to be a burden of course they will jump on any other money making scheme they can find.
I really hope that Steam will upheld ban on NFTs in games. And they will not cave in or even start to sell CS:GO sklns as NFTs >_>
And all this fluff talk about "giving players control over items they own". Companies are so lazy or incompetent they can't sometimes make system that move your game decision in save game from one game to it's sequel. FIFA is released each year just to reset players progress. People are required to pay for simple armor color change and games can't even work properly on day one. I don't know how anyone would believe it would be possible to move cosmetics even inside the same game series, not to mention between multiple ones.
Unless it will be like with some license-dependent closed solution technologies. "Today we announce that from next month it will be possible to move 2 particular NFT hats from Ass Effect 4 to Ass Effect 5. We take great pride to support our loyal customers".
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this is very bad,very sad,very very bad,and company wrong to do\thing this,they not understand opportunity new tech\inventors offer,creators not create nft things for do lootboxes ,nft not must use like that,it's wrong bad.
it's same if people invent do fire or take water machine for not feel cold or for drink, but then other bad people use fire for burn things or for do flood for no reason only do bad money self,this very wrong,sad,no good this.
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The NFT thing is bad enough in itself, but the part where he straight up belittles the value of costumer goodwill and fan contributions (fanarts, mods, passion projects, ect.)... its baffling really.
He effectively suggests that monetary gain should be the motivator, not passion. For fans. Just, let this settle.
All while they can pay these contributors laughably low compensation but take their creation and monetize it further, as if they paid their actual employees decent wages for decent working hours. Only they dont have to do that anymore, just claim ownership and pocket the money.
Corporate mindset is one thing, but this have crossed a line that just could not be explained by any rational reasoning.
I am not even sure if the word "greed" is enough anymore.
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after so many years of watching sheople buy day 1 dlc ,deluxe editions ,and preorder games 5 years away from release im not surprised in any way shape or form.
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Blockchain has nothing to offer gaming in its current state. Anything it attempts to offer can be done far more efficiently with simpler and cheaper (and tried-and-proven) security and data methods. The only thing it can offer that other methods cannot, is the side-grift of pointless unstable investment gambling.
The interesting ideas people have tried to assign to blockchain gaming are sometimes cool, but never actually require blockchain, and would be better served by other means. The entire thing just reeks of making excuses to market a scheme they invested in, and I mean, I get it, profit is the overarching goal, but the snakoil salesman approach is just tedious. Encryption, bruteforcing, and token identifiers are not new by any stretch, but the blockchain combo is primarily just for artificial value and essentially run like a casino.
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SE is really living in the future. A New Year letter from Yosuke Matsuda mentioned all those hot topics. Honorable mention goes to the part where "some people who “play to have fun” and who currently form the majority of players have voiced their reservations toward these new trends, and understandably so. However, I believe that there will be a certain number of people whose motivation is to “play to contribute,” by which I mean to help make the game more exciting"
I suppose charging $80 for next-gen games will only get you so far.
What a way to start a year, good job Square.
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