If someone admits to theft of a game code, they get a perma ban
And he did not even seem to understand why it was wrong!
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Why is it this site's job to enforce something like that?
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Doesn't he kind of give his answer to that already?
"I mainly suggest this because our blacklists are fairly limited and asses like this need to be removed from this site for good."
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I mean, if we just want to ban every single person who's ever done anything wrong, why don't we line up the "used to pirate games as a kid" crowd too?
The thing being described here is totally outside the scope of this website and just looks like someone trying to stir up shit over a personal grudge.
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You are right, I agree with you that a perma ban is indeed a bit overdone. I am not sure if I feel like it is steamgifts job to do something about it. Probably not.
Also, the person being talked about here did get a 4 day suspension
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The suspension was for something unrelated to the theft of a steam code. They didn't activate a game they won.
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I was unaware of the reason. Only aware of the fact that they are. Thank you for clarifying that :3
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I didn't agree to that in the terms and conditions when I signed up for this site.
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Maybe my opinion is wrong. It's just my reactionary thought when I read that post.
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That's my problem with this question, it's not even being posed as a fair question, it's reactionary to a specific incident. And if you take that specific incident out and ask if this should be policy, it obviously has nothing to do with the site.
Now admitting to stealing keys and then giving them away here? Totally different. But the part we should be concerned with is the "knowingly giving away stolen keys here", not the "did something wrong offsite".
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Because what he did was illegal (theft), and then he comes here and brags about it. Its like him coming here and saying "some old lady forgot her purse at a bus stop and instead of telling her about it, I just walked off with it". Do you really want asses like that around here?
This site should not allow crap like that to be posted here, it encourages others to do the same thing. Its also not enforcing anything, if it was, the police would have been contacted (again it is theft). Yes even those its only worth under 100 bucks, its still theft.
What would you say if someone came here and said "I just murdered someone tonight, they looked at me funny so I stabbed them". Why should they be banned from here, they didn't break any rules... but would you want someone here that admitted to killing someone? What if it was a car? "Someone just left they keys on the sidewalk, so I took their car, it was free after all". Everything I just mentioned is illegal and I certainly wouldn't want them around here.
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Did you ever pirate a game? Ever watched a movie someone uploaded to youtube? Download a TV episode you missed? Even once?
If so, you've done something illegal and by your own argument here, you don't want yourself here.
The scope of this site has nothing to do with a real-word crime. There are real-world authorities for that. If someone wants to post a confession here, that's pretty stupid of them, but it has nothing to do with us.
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Did you ever pirate a game? Ever watched a movie someone uploaded to youtube? Download a TV episode you missed? Even once?
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Nice deflection, but not my point. The point is, they're both crimes. Given that he was talking about murder, I felt it was reasonable to bring up a different crime that actually has even more to do with our community than theft.
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That's right. As always you have to look at how you treat different kinds of missbehaviour (illegal things).
I agree with you with the rest of your points though :)
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Until just a year or so ago, it was not illegal to download games, movies, music or anything like that. It was illegal to make money off them though which is something I have never done. In fact in many places its still not illegal to download games/movies/music or anything like that, or even stream them.
Actual theft, which piracy is not (Piracy is making a copy of the original leaving the original intact and still being able to be used), has been illegal in every country for as long as the countries have had laws. He stole a 1 time use key that for my knowledge can not be replaced to make the person it was stolen from whole.
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Yes, but then we come back to the point of why this site should give one single shit if you've done something illegal in real life and whether or not every single convicted felon deserves to be banned from the entire internet for crimes that have nothing to do with any of the sites banning them.
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If things happen on-site, that's a different question entirely. The question here is, and this is a direct quote, " if anyone admits to something like this they receive a perma ban."
That idea is absolutely ludicrous as-written. Your problem is the bragging, not just the act of admitting, and that is not the question being asked here. The bragging can already fall under the umbrella of trolling if it's just intended to antagonize people.
I used this below and I'll use it here as well: "Sorry I was gone for so long, i was in prison, here are some giveaways to celebrate my release". That person just admitted to a crime. Should they be banned? No. Of course not. They already served their punishment through the channels that are meant for dealing with crime. Banning them here as well is ridiculous. The issue is absolutely not the crime, it's the attitude.
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Until just a year or so ago, it was not illegal to download games, movies, music or anything like that. It was illegal to make money off them though which is something I have never done. In fact in many places its still not illegal to download games/movies/music or anything like that, or even stream them.
That depends, like you said, on your country and the laws in different countries are very different when it comes to that.
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Well, he is referring only to serious crimes, felonies that are framed in criminal law, so yeah., even if you are breaking the law by watching, playing or downloading content protected by copyright thats way ahead of committing serious crimes like manslaughter or theft. (offcourse it depends from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, some countries only consider it as a criminal offense if you're distributing to gain profit.)
Anyway I believe, that someone that brags about committing a crime, really don't deserve to stay in a friendly and cool community such as this.
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It's becoming increasingly clear to me that the issue is not the crime at all, it's the attitude and the bragging. The thing is, the attitude can already be taken care of if it gets out of hand, because there are rules here against trolling.
This topic, however, is asking about a new rule that would make the admission of a crime also bannable, no matter the context. And that rule is a terrible idea.
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Yes, that person was an ignorant asshole, but do I believe they deserve to be perma-banned? No. What they did was unrelated to SG. If we perma-banned everyone on this site that is an asshole, in one way or another, this place would be like Pripyat.
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Like me, I have killed many people but they weren't related to SG so I don't deserve anything bad. Plus I am super cute, just look at my pic.
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why is this the job of sg? i know which discussion do you mean.. and i dont agree with his behaviour, but it was on another side, in another community.
you cant loking the whole web for sg users and their mistakes. The NSA will do that for you anyway ;-)
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He came here and posted about it in the discussion area, that brought it into our community. The sites creator should not condone stuff like that and to show its not condoned, a heavy punishment should be handed out.
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So do you believe that an equal punishment would be deserved for a "Sorry I was gone for so long, i was in prison, here are some giveaways to celebrate my release?"
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The punishment should be hes not allowed to use this site anymore because he admitted to a theft, came here and bragged about it. People who commit theft, then come here and brag about it, should not be allowed to use the site.
If some one just got out of prison, they have served their punishment. If they have not been in prison yet and said they stole a bunch of stuff on purpose just for laughs they should be removed from the site.
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But you didn't say that. Both of those people are admitting to a theft, which is the thing you wanted to ban. "I believe if anyone admits to something like this they receive a perma ban." Not "if someone comes here and brags", not "if they haven't already served their time".
Basically, like I said below, you only care because the person in question got away with it. This site is under no obligation to replace the police and provide justice when they fail. That's called mob justice, something the rules here actually explicitly discourage with the "no calling out" rule. The no calling out rule exists to make sure that punishments go through the proper channels and handed down equally and deservedly. And the proper channel for theft is real life courts, not this website.
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there is also the possibility, that he trolls us, but anyway.. now i dont think, that he should be punished by us our the sg stuff.. its not our job to stalking user around for their misbehaviour.
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Well, he deserves a permanent ban. Still, I believe that (almost) everyone deserves a second chance. If he will pay his victim for the game that he stole from him or if he will just buy the same game and give it to his victim, then it would be nice if we would all forgive him. :)
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Somebody save me. Save us. Save them. I need protection.
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Here's a better title for this thread: "Should criminals be banned from the internet?"
Because if you can argue that someone should be banned for this site for a crime that has nothing to do with this site, every other site can use that identical argument of "we don't want this asshole around here" and you've basically just unplugged them from the internet.
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Hmmm i have no intention of defending a person who "steal" but i don't understand all that rage. For example few months ago was a price glitch on amazon.co.uk, you could buy witcher 3, just cause 3 for a 1,5 bucks (it was posted here), don't you consider that it is also a stealing (and please don't tell me that amazon is taking a loss, they always transfer their loss on the people who buys from them), also a week ago was a far cry primal for 0.99 on newegg. I also think that a person who "stolen" a key was aware of doing something illegal and that's why he removed a game from account. Also by steam tos (origin, uplay, gog) it is forbidden to sell an account, humble bundle is forbidding to sell a game keys you prurchased from them. with that logic how the seller could try to sell a game with unused key? Please i don't want to argue and i don't want on anyone blacklist, I am just curious what is your opinion on that issue?
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Yes Amazon and Newegg did take a loss on those keys, but instead of revoking them as they could have, they let people keep them.
The guy that had the key stolen from him, can not revoke it and get a whole new one because the company that owns the IP is not around anymore so can't send him a new one.
Also he didn't remove it from his account, all he did was delete the game. The Steam key is still attached to his account, and can never be activated again by anyone else.
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Okay dead rising 3 (free price glitch) http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/YkpBy/free-dead-rising-3-hurry almost everyone wanted a game and gamesplanet honored mistake
Warlock 2 (free price glitch) http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/p3qXb/warlock-2the-exiled-free-or-glitched-free-on-gamersgate-right-nao . Gamersgate stated that the keys where stolen and they revoked them. People in the thread where bitching at gamersgate about revoking the keys.
At my opinion this is the same "steal" like the pray today and yet very few of them notice that, most was very cool with a free game.
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Gamesplanet did exactly what Amazon and Newegg did, they took the loss. It was their CHOICE.
Gamersgate did exactly what it could do. It revoked all the keys, and then had new ones sent to them by the IP owners of warlock 2. It was their CHOICE.
Again the person selling the game on that other website could not this this, why? Because the company that owns the IP to the game no longer exists and is no longer selling new CD keys so he can't contact them, and ask them for a new key for the game.
The person selling the game doesn't exactly have any choice in the matter. Again its like my example, the old lady leaves a purse on the bench at the bus stop. Instead of saying "hey you did this by accident, hopefully no one took anything" he just walks off with the purse.
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well, just tell me which rule(s) of SG cause him permaban?
if not, dont try to be a keyboard warrior.
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This is why I am MAKING this suggestion of a new rule. And why I even said right in my main post, if this is already a rule, you can close this down, but as far as I know, its not against the rules right now, but it should be.
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And as I keep pointing out, if real world crimes are within the scope of this site, they're within the scope of every site. It seems entirely unfair and disproportional to ban someone from the internet for life for stealing a loaf of bread for their starving children, but your argument could be used to justify exactly that.
If it has nothing to do with the site at all, it's not our job here to enforce justice. The injured parties have legal remedies they can go to and there are places with the authority to enforce punishment. This is neither. This is you being mad that someone got away with a crime and will likely never be punished, so you want them punished here to satisfy your own sense of justice.
But when you apply the argument to people who have already been caught and punished for their crimes, suddenly it's a whole lot less fair and reasonable. That's why this shouldn't be a rule. There is no reason for this site to try to replace the criminal justice system. If you really want to see justice done, dig up as much evidence as you can and send it to the people he ripped off. Then they can take appropriate action through the correct channels.
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why do u think SG have to punish those guys? it is none of SG's business, as they did no harm to this website
based on ur logic, do we need to provide crime record before joining SG to proof u r a good citizen?
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lol, it's the sellers fault for showing the unredeemed cd-key of the game.
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That doesn't change the fact that the guy stole the code.
"Some old lady forgot her purse at a bus stop and instead of telling her about it, I just walked off with it" That is actually classed as theft did you know that? Its pretty much what the guy did. He took what he knew was a 1 time use code, and used it, when he could of messaged the person telling them about the error.
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I just think we need more black and white list space
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We all agree he's an ass, but it has nothing to do with this site.
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I think it's punishment enough that he was dumb enough to post about it and expect anything other than what he got in response. It'd be really helpful if people like that would always post afterwards so people who are bothered by what they did could blacklist them and never be bothered by them again... on that note I say the best thing to be done is add more black list/white list spaces as someone else suggested. :P
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The game was being sold as a physical copy if I am not wrong, generally when you are purchasing a physical copy of a game you don't require the steam cd-key (at least for older games e.g. PREY). I feel like people are making a big deal out of nothing, yes, he activated a CD-key that didn't belong to him, but jesus, it's for a game worth around 1-2 USD on ebay. Come on.
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No, because then support would want a pay-raise. :X
or ... you know ... pay.
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Maybe we could report him to his ISP so they ban him from the Internet ?
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No. What you do outside of SG is none of SG's business.
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Recently there was an ass who shall remain nameless who admitted to stealing a code for a game that he found on another website that was not being given out for free it was being sold, but accidentally posted in the open.
I believe if anyone admits to something like this they receive a perma ban. If this is already covered in the rules then please close the thread I will understand.
I mainly suggest this because our blacklists are fairly limited and asses like this need to be removed from this site for good.
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