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Neither, I don't use a holder. Just put the damn thing near the siphon.
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It depends on the form of the thing.
If it has a thing you press to hold the roll and to break the paper on that precise spot, then I'd say over.
Otherwise, if the thing is simple (like the one in the picture), I'd say under, because with the other hand you can touch it in any easily reachable spot to block it without touching the sheet where the paper will break.
Something like that.
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You may be surprised but the real answer exist
https://www.google.com/patents/US459516
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By this logic, no product should ever be used a different way than the originally intended purpose.
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Your fault for not clarifying if you wanted a "correct" answer, an objective evaluation, or a subjective preference :P
Over is correct [by accepted proper form], and it's favorable in an objective evaluation for most purposes.
Subjective preference will of course always vary, as it ought to. :)
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Why should it be correct? Just because producers intended to do it this way? This is not a mathematical problem so there should be no correct answer.
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Why are you asking a question over something I explained the context for directly after the statement? :P
And no, there are always socially correct answers- and in fact, they often have functional basis:
In this case, it's likely influenced by over serving more functional use.
For setting tables, it's done with right-handedness in mind.
For cutting vegetables on a flat surface, it's to make easier cuts and to lower the risk of cutting yourself.
Products have "correct" uses. In the case of medications, they're often used for off-label, unapproved purposes. In that case they may be serving a useful, later-scientifically-validated purpose, but the usage is still not considered "correct". Likewise, you could wear your shoes on your ears, and that may work for you, but it's still not considered s "correct" way to wear them. :P
There's quite often a "correct" answer, the trick is understanding the context for it being correct, and the limitations of that context- and thus, when to break from the assumption of correctness.
Likewise, it's important to distinguish differences in context- "Slavery is acceptable" may have once been a socially correct statement, but it was never a morally correct one.
In this case, one would review the common assumption if under could be evidenced to show more utility and convenience and hygiene than over- but currently, with the sole exception of poorly managed non-humans and children, and bathrooms within vehicles, there's no premise to support that as of now.
Whether someone chooses to oblige that common belief is up to them or not- much like people are free to dismiss a scientific theory (and may later be validated in their belief), though generally modern scientific theories tend to be a lot more ludicrous to dismiss than 'use toilet paper over instead of under'. :P
Obviously there's no definitely correct answer, else the third premise of subjective preference wouldn't have any merit at all.
I've edited my original comment to properly use double quotes instead of single quotes, does that help clarify the phrasing any? :P
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First of all, I'm very sorry for responding this late. It seems I missed this message in my notifications.
I agree some of what you wrote abowe, disagree others.
In begining, since English is not my native language, I looked at it's definiton and I came up with two meanings:
- in agreement with the true facts or with what is generally accepted.
- taking or showing great care to behave or speak in a way that is generally accepted and approved of.
There are two main statement here: being corroborated and generally accepted by society or community we're talking of. But what if these are in conflict with each other? Like until Galileo said the Earth was moving aroud the Sun not vice versa in 1633, people had believed that Earth was not moving. So which is correct? The Earth is moving or not moving?
In my opinion, people's thought is not important. They're subjective, not objective. We should look at the scientific truths, benefits, aims etc. As with your example, if person has his/her own reasons to use shoes that way, that can be correct. Like the one in the movie - Wall-E. The robot was using shoe to protect the plant he found. :3.
On the other hand, we should also consider things in their own fields, like you said. Something can be correct in one field while wrong in another. I couldn't think an example right now but there are lots of them.
About the stiuation we were talking at first place, it's not a scientific or useful or beneficial thing to use it either way. It's more subjective. Like colors, it's only preference. So I think in this way. :3.
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None of what you're saying has any relationship whatsoever to what I was saying.
You seem to be misunderstanding a lot of the English being used, here :/
Your fault for not clarifying if you wanted a "correct" answer, an objective evaluation, or a subjective preference :P
Over is correct [by accepted proper form], and it's favorable in an objective evaluation for most purposes.
Subjective preference will of course always vary, as it ought to. :)
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Your fault for not clarifying if you wanted the most commonly accepted answer, an answer based on comparing the merits of both to see which is objectively better, or just the subjective preference of each individual replying.
Over is correct in terms of what is most commonly accepted and it is more favorable for objective reasons as well.
Individual preferences will of course vary.
I'm not actually saying anything that you can argue the validity of usage on. :'P
I list the three possible ways to reply to the prompt, and then clarify that two of the three are have clear preferences- thus allowing me to imply that the question itself is asking for purely subjective considerations, and ought have been phrased with that in mind.
(Moreover, the very definition you quoted matches perfectly to my usage- you'll notice both interpretations of the word are based on common acceptance, not a sort of absolute fact.)
I honestly have no idea what you're trying to address :P
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I honestly have no idea what [cucooo is] trying to address :P
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What I'm trying to say is that: If OP wanted a correct answer, it was not important how the majority of people uses it. This (how majority of people uses) would be the answer of "subjective preference", if he would ask that.
I disagree that most commonly accepted thing is the correct thing. Yes, the definion I wrote matches how you use the word but I go counter to this definition. Like I exemplified with Galileo, the majority of people believed in wrong and it doesn't matter in the least. Because they were against scientific truths. Even they're not, it still doesn't matter, it just shows preference, it wouldn't have evidential value for correct answer.
In this case, it's likely influenced by over serving more functional use.
For cutting vegetables on a flat surface, it's to make easier cuts and to lower the risk of cutting yourself.
You gave thiese two examples. I agree with the latter, while disagree with the former. You cut vegetables on a flat surgace because this is beneficial for you, you don't cut yourself. But using the toilet paper over or under doesn't have something like that, there is no difference, there is no functional use like you claim. (Even If someone has some powers and doesn't risk him/herself while cutting vegetables on an unstable surface, still it's correct for him/her.)
I hope I made myself clear now. :3.
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- You're not understanding the English even remotely correctly.
- Your argument has nothing to do with anything actually being discussed, and appears to just be stating obvious facts that noone is arguing with.
- There are plenty of functional reasons to use toilet paper over instead of under (and a few more specialized ones for the reverse), but that's still not part of the topic being discussed.
- This is too exhausting and inane a matter to continue with, please let it drop.
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So that means I can patent an 'under' toilet paper roll? *_*
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What if you don't have a tp holder? or use wipes. or the the thing that shoots water up your ass?
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Well I'm a huge fan of wipes, but you still gotta use a little TP to dry off
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Where is i don't care option? I just put it in whichever way I'm holding roll.
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Over is the correct way , under is the rebel way. I'm a slob i clean myself with oak leaves.
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I thought the only time people used "under" was when they accidentally did it wrong and were too lazy to fix it.
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Back in my day, if there was a problem with something, the most commonly acted upon solution was to remove the cause of the dissent.
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Under. I don't like the paper touching me while I'm busy
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