What is your opinion on the Metro series games?
I really liked 2033, and I've been waiting to upgrade my GPU to play Last Light, which I did a few weeks ago so I should get on that. The E3 trailer looked great but somewhat scripted imo, still excited though.
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Well, I think most Metro games are pretty much scripted, with events happening regardless of what you do (first-person cutscenes). It looks like somewhat accurate gameplay. The player in this video is most certainly "acting" out the part, and has already played the game repeatedly so they don't accurately reflect a normal player's behaviour, but I'm willing to think that the footage is, at the very least, not that different than the actual game.
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I know the players act the part, I don't mind that, but for some reason what happens around the player feels a little bit... too perfect. That part when the giant monster bear thingy starts to fall to his death, maybe the game is just that good, or everything is acted out that way.
I don't really mind scripted stuff that much usually but for some reason this stands out for me. Oh well it's not like this is making me hate the game or anything, looking forward to the game :D
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It does seem oddly prone to fuckup if the player doesn't do exactly as necessary to trigger this event... I'll rewatch the videos a few time and see if I can truly debunk whether or not this is scripted behaviour. I have no life.
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Okay, so... my analysis so far:
- The bear crashes through the gate's door when the player enters the area facing the gate.
- It looks like it is scripted to smash into the wagon, regardless of the player's action (in the video, they obviously chose to get attacked, as they did absolutely no effort to avoid the bear). Staying in the bear's path will knock the player down, but I'm guessing it can be avoided altogether.
- After rushing inside the gate, the player enters a smaller doorway to the edge of the precipice. Here I'm assuming that the bear cannot follow, and therefore "despawns"...
- A few moments later, the bear respawns behind the car, and enters the zipline area.
- When the play shoots the bear (or deals enough damage), the bear will jump to the specific location where the event is to take place.
- Any further interaction with the bear is not necessary/won't affect anything. The player can then zipline out of the area.
It's a stretch, but still kinda possible I guess? I'm not sure my theory makes sense. The most suspicious action I've noticed is the way the player switches to an explosive arrow(?) and the game lingers on "showing" the item rather than simply equipping it right away - that simply does not seem like a good feature, gameplay-wise. Also the part where rubble fall when the player walks to the edge of the precipice - but with that as well, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, considering how previous Metro games also had some fairly fluid events and whatnot.
I think I may be looking into it a bit too intensively...
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The trick is to not think about it too much, that's what I do. I'm just having flashbacks to that Killzone 2 trailer which looked like gameplay but then we found out was pre rendered.
I'll just take it as a representation of gameplay rather than true gameplay :P
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I guess well just have to wait and see. Hopefully it's as good as it seems to be (although I'd prefer a bit more freedom if that's the case - there was barely any skills required in this gameplay). :P
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We need also to remember that this is a commercial game play video, it can be ''enhanced'' or have some sort of god-script running simultaneous to make it look better. True enough, it this was my first play-through, I would not get all these things right directly, so it does very much look like a well known, possibly doctored experience - as it should. Real game-play as first teaser would not be so efficient in grabbing me by the neck and hauling me into hype-space.
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Own both and haven't played either yet, but plan to. Do you recommend playing the 1st one in "redux" version, or the original?
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I'd play the redux, not so much for the graphics but for not having to deal with some bugs in the first one. For LL the redux version didn't do so much (in my opinion) as it wasn't so much of an upgrade as for 2033.
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If you have the redux version, there's no reason not to play that version as far as I'm aware.
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Also found out earlier in this thread that DLC:s available for the first ones are included in the Redux ones, no need for separate installs or purchases, go with redux.
There, that's settled once and for all! until someone with a different opinion shows up here...
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hopefully next part will be as good as previous ones :D
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I played the games and read the novels. I love the series :)
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i played the first metro twice, it was awesome. tried the second but it ran like crap so i had to quit.
might replay both some day. and i mean play, not idle for cards
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Bump!
I played only the first Metro 2033, that's when I began to read books from this series. Most of them are really great.
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I really like how reading 2033 and playing 2033 gives you the same creepy feeling.
Like you wanna stop what you're doing, turn on the lights, and crawl into your mothers safe arms.....
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I was surprised, that the game and the book differ so much from each other. I mean, the story is roughly the same, but the main character is a totally different guy.
On the other side, this is a FPS game, while the book concentrates on the bigger picture of the post apocalyptic city, so it has to be like that.
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Yeah, different mediums, different way of telling the same story. In a book, the writer uses the written words to guide your imagination to a world. Your imagination is a very powerful tool, so a skilled writer does not need to elaborate too much. When they write that Alexander drove elephants over the mountain range, they do not need to describe the range itself, your brain does that. They do not need describe the chill in the wind, your brain does that.
In a game (or a movie) your brain is mostly shut off. What you see is what you get, because our image handling capacity isalso very large, so it sort of overrides our imagination. Seeing is more real than fantasizing, and your brain knows it.
So to do a game that is as deep and many-faucetted as a book can be, you'd have to add more material. A lot more. So much more it wouldn't be worth it. And hey, it still might not match your imagination.
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bump, didn't play any Metro, only saw gameplay and heard about books.
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Bump! Haven't played any of the metro games, but have heard positives about it
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2033 is really good. Or was, you know how it goes with games that are old. But the Redux version is still good!
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Metro 2033 was a masterpiece. LL, not so much. Hopefully they step up their game with Exodus, but I'm not holding my breath. It's probably going to be great, but with how LL looked, I'm not hoping for anything different with Exodus - it won't "feel" like the original Metro game.
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I've played Metro 2030 but never tried Last Light. Will probably get it sometime :)
Glad the next one is coming out.
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I played Metro 2033 Redux and Metro: Last Light Redux. 2033 one of the best games I ever played! That atmosphere is amazing!
Last Light unfortunately wasn't played to the end because of a chapter with giant spiders, really hate them in games :(
Books of Dmitry Gluhovsky(Metro 2033, 2034, 2035) are great too by the way!
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Still haven't read 2035. Actually just found out today it even exists!
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Metro 2033 was alright. Scrounging for bullets as money(since using it as ammo is for emergencies only and realistically one of the dumbest things you could ever do, and the achievement to get a certain number of bullets is difficult in my opinion, especially since buying certain upgrades is very important to continuing the game, unless you're really good at it).was really boring and tedious for me and after a single playthrough, the exploration for the sake of finding bullets and supplies was just very bland. All of the areas are painfully linear. At certain points in the game, it becomes ridiculously difficult, beyond simply not knowing that "1 tip" to make it easy. Two specific areas come to mind : The first area being the Librarian segment. I was told that if you crouched, they don't 'wake up' and attack you, but that's false because they'd attack me no matter what(with the first one in the beginning of the area being the biggest problem where it seems like he drops down no matter what as if it's scripted) and killing them takes too much effort and ammo, as well as being difficult because they take a lot of damage. The second area is self-explanatory if you've played the game, but it's more or less the entirety of the end of the silo, specifically with the pods. Self explanatory, especially with how you'll most likely be low on ammo by then.
So, yeah, that's my experience. It's an overall good game and I've yet to play Last Light. My personal problems with 2033 are centred on the balance of certain areas.
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The librarians were hard, but I liked that area. You just had to keep running, they don't follow you straight along, they'll follow along a while, then jump off into a hole somewhere, especially if you shot them up a little. But yeah, it did take some ammo to get the section done, but it was doable. I think the librarians section was one of the best, because it was different, because it temporarily changed how you had to deal with enemies,and how enemies dealt with you.
I thought the ammo game was a good idea, it is a harsh, poor world, and your choices reflects that. If you didn't scrounge for bullets, or upgraded/bought too much you could go short on ammo. Always the choice; good and plentiful equipment and low on ammo in the tunnels, or just the one or two upgrades and gear with more ammo in the tunnels.
The game does have issues, but I personally think the atmosphere and environment you play in greatly overcomes the shortcomings.
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I definitely liked the first game. I started playing the second one some time ago, but I never got that far into it. I've been wanting to start them both over with the Redux editions.
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Metro: Exodus arriving 2018! Just found out (yes, I'm a bit slow... Just let it go)!
I'm really hyped for this read: hyped as fuck, seeing as I really enjoyed the last two installments in the series, and have spent many hours down in the Metro on my PC as well as having read the first two books.
Read info and watch the E3 gameplay trailer. And when you watch, you crank that shit up loud, because the Metro soundtrack is awesome!
http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/metro-exodus-release-date-gameplay-news-trailer-story-preorder-2952446
Vampus, thanks for the reminder: http://store.steampowered.com/app/412020/Metro_Exodus/
Books are (as far as I know) Metro 2033, Metro 2034, and Metro 2035 by Dmitry Glukhovsky.
There are some other novels and stories and a DLC comic if you own Last Light - Thank you gegeru for the tip:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe_of_Metro_2033#Novels
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piter_(novel)
https://digital.darkhorse.com/metro/
What is your take on it all? Yay or Nay?
Here's another trailer, but from Last Light. They have done some good ones for the series, but this one gives me freaking chills:
Metro: Last Light Mobius Trailer watch the guy in the very beginning, he comes back at the end
The release trailer
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