What Does "Ratio" Mean to You?
Win Counts
50.5% (285/564) with playtime, 0.00% (0/301) with ≥1 achievementWin Counts
55.9% (429/768) with playtime, 0.00% (0/437) with ≥1 achievement
...I'll let you be the judge of that :v
and no, I'm not gonna mention who has such awesome stats :3
Edit: added recent stats, the other ones were cached from january
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I'm pretty damn sure I know who you're talking about, and I'm guilty of whitelisting that user.
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Oh, so it's not him?
I figured it would be with 10k games.
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That moment when you decide to check sg famous people for fun and you close your browser depressed (ಠ_ಠ)
I found one with 0,8% played with a shitload of games won on my WL. -1, I guess...
ps: I found who you were talking about too. That's just sad...
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Right there with ya about the script results... I wish i didn't open pandora's box.
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I've been working on improving my numbers since I found out about both this script and that backlog assassin website. I'm still below 50% but hopefully getting there soon... and beyond! :)
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My toddler lost my phone so i can't pull my api atm too check (really starting to hate steam guard) but I'm sure there are others like me who try to play everything they win and not just card farm for cents. Still thanks for showing me the script, gonna start using it myself for better or worse.
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I'm voting Real CV Sent : Real CV Won.
Giving away massive amounts of Bundle Trash (10 copies of Spikit, Pepe Porcupine, Hidden Dragon, etc)
& winning really good stuff in return is not acceptable to me.
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+1 I've seen some level 10's who've only given away 100 something games but they are all quality high value games (5 copies of the witcher 3 etc) vs some people who have thosands sent but it's all bundle trash.
Going by real sent real won promotes buying bundle trash to give away just to make it look like you've sent more.
That being said I don't really think people need to maintain a 1:1 ratio as long as they at least try to keep a healthy ratio
And even then I don't care too much cause It doesn't effect how I make GA's
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I think you meant "Going by Sent / Won promotes buying bundle trash"
Going by Real CV Sent / Real CV Won promotes giving away quality stuff.
Although good stuff does end up on the Bundled List for whatever reason (Portal Series, Project Cars, Stardew Valley, etc)
I personally wish any games (not software) sold by Humble Bundle was immune to the
"Bundled Games List" in order to promote a higher quality of giveaways.
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Yeah exactly I can't English sent won is what I was meaning and the only thing that makes sense in context.
And I fully agree with this
Bundle trash in my opinion is all the bundle stars 1$ bundles and HOG's posted en mass.
It feels like people are posting GA's to level up which just seems stupid to me.
Its kinda anoying how some of the games on my wishlist have been bundled before but never on mass so people don't make many GA"s for them.
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There would still have to be manual additions to the Bundled Games List.
Sometimes you see games given away for free, and you always have a few people attempting to make GAs for them.
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Trash is trash, it doesn't matter whether it's bundled or not.
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Ratio and CV are both overrated IMO. Gifting is the only thing that matter for me.
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It is nothing more than an arbitrary number that can supposedly show "generosity" of people. It can also be used to exclude "lesser" users from entering giveaways.
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Frankly, both definitions are valid IMO. It's not just "ratio", it's either "game count ratio" or "real CV ratio" ;) When I just use "ratio", I guess I mean a bit of both (like in my SGTools gates, where I check for both types of ratio at the same time 👀)
also, empty bump 🙃 (not)
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In mathematics, a ratio is a relationship between two numbers indicating how many times the first number contains the second.
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I really don't care about ratio on SG, so yes
People have reasons to not give, or to give less, and I don't have how to know it
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Ratio has no bearing on anything to me, so it's a null value.
I don't really care that others place value on it, I just choose not to.
For me, it's like ... well, trying to define someone as a person by what color shirt they're wearing. It just doesn't make sense.
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I have seen it used either way. Usually the giveaway creator specifies which ratio they are using, but I always see it as sent:won. For example, if you send $15 worth of games and win $20, your CV ratio is 0.75
Likewise, if you send 40 individual games and win 100, your number of wins ratio is 0.4
TL;DR It's all up to the creator, but they should specify.
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I mean its usually not something i care about as long as i dont see one of the classic 1 went to 1/200 won profiles ... then i just blacklist them .
As for the SG Tools Sent x Won Ratio as far as Real CV goes , i just find the concept retarded ... Just cause i was lucky and won a bunch of stuff that its expensive , while giving away 10 -20 times the number but in bundled games ... cause thats what i can afford and then not meeting a lets say 1:1 ratio requirement with a profile that won 10 games and sent 200 ( not me ) , but some guy who sent 150 copies of Spriter pro and all that CV farm garbage stuff , and won 400 games can its kinda stupid ...
But you know thats just me ... and even i used that option in the past ... until i found out how not working it is :) imo
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Thank you for doing this, I'm glad you no longer use Sent / Won.
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I prefer the "generousity ratio" - given/won, this is what I think about when someone says ratio
But when it comes to giveaway:
someone who doesn't/can't give back while plays it>>> a collector with even 5-10 ratio who doesn't play sh*t from their wins.
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no, both are frequently used. i don't think one really has a strong lead on the other as far as usage either. at least not on discussions. even on sgtools i've seen a pretty fair amount of both, but it may have one stronger leading then the other i just wouldn't know which way there.
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Well, tbh there are too many definitions which depends on numbers of gifts, raw value, number of played, in-group ratio, number of region restricted (I actually don't understand why people hate last ones so much, especially because it's the only GAs I can do). And since I suck at all of them I prefer use my own =P
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I don't see it as wanting to please other people, but more like wanting to give back something to the larger group you win from. At least that's why (I believe) most people who live in non-ROW regions try to find ways to still give ROW keys, at least occasionally.
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very well. Region restricted used to bother me when I saw recently bundled games that didn't have restrictions given away within a region - that's just exploiting a loophole. Though, at the same time, all rules are up to the giver so I stopped getting bothered by that a while back to. I think I've mellowed with my time on SG :)
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Not all the people though. Sent you a friend request btw :)
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If the point is to check contribution, then Real CV ratio is more representative than the ratio of number of giveaways. I think different people usually think about one of these two ratios. Which one depends mostly on how much they know about how the site works. The more they know they probably think about Real CV ratio, which is a bit more useful.
Personally I find other ratio variants to be more useful. These are the two I use more often:
In any case I find the flexibility that SGTools offers to be much more useful than using levels, which is why almost all of my forum giveaways are level Level 0 and rely on SGTools rules (typically also allowing Level 0 users if they were unlucky and/or have the game wishlisted).
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I think a more important question would be how high a ratio you actually care about... (2:1 3:1 7:1)?
We'be all seen those people with 400-700 GA's won and 2-3 sent and this annoys some people alot more than others (hence all the sgtools GA's with a 0.2 real ratio . But asking people to maintain a ratio of 1:1 or even higher makes me feel like it defeats the purpose of making GA's as othere have already mentioned.
A poll with different ratios ranging from really high CV sent vs Won all the way to really low (along with a ratio has no impact) option might be intresting.
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Regarding the first line of your reply ... I am not sure if "you" == "me" but - I used to care and now I don't. I much prefer my nice GAs to be played and don't care so much about most bundle leftovers (especially filler with low ratings) over just about anything else.
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"You" was just a general statement for any SG...er
Also +1 for games actually being played I think it's a common theme in this thread with people talking about play count ratio.
I guess it's why I keep bringing up the playing apeachiated group in all these threads.
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For me, a ratio is the amount of won games versus the amount of given games. Nothing more, nothing less.
It should never be about the money in my opinion, that is why I find the "real CV" filters lame and pointless.
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But look on it the other way - if someone gave away a lot of nonbundle expensive ges but juat happened to win a lot more of cheap bundles and shovelware would you call this someone a leecher? Because from your definition he would be a leecher evwn if he actually donated a lot more than most ppl with 1:1 numerical ratio.
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Don't look at me, I strongly disagree with the practise of calling someone a "leecher". This very example shows nicely just how ridiculous people who call others "leechers" are.
In my opinion, it'd be that person's own decision to give away expensive, non-bundled games, just as it'd be their own decision to enter hundreds of giveaways for cheap games. If that person gave away 10 expensive games and won 500 cheap games, well, he's still won a lot more than he gave away, you see? That is why it's not about the monetary value for me ;)
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If you gave away 10 cars and won 500 cents worth stuff, like badges, keychains, postcards etc, would you say you won a lot more than you gave away? ;p
Imho only situation when you can really say someone won a lot more than he gave away is if BOTH his ratio suck, if he's gave a lot less than won both in numerical and monetary value.
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But cars and keychains, badges etc aren't even the same kind of things! Let's say that I would give away 10 limousines and win 500 Trabants, then yes, I would still agree that I've won a lot more than I gave away :D
I mean, I can see your point and it's a perfectly valid opinion. I just don't agree with it :)
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Valuewise my comparison works much better than yours ;) brand new AAA game cost 60$. Cheapest shovelware bundle keys on DIG steamgrounds etc cost 0.05$ per key. Thus if were going with your extreme example of 10vs500 one new AAA game is worth 1200 shovelware bundle keys. 10 AAA games would be worth 12000 of such games ;)
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if i had to pick between gifts sent: won and real cv, i would go with the second one. it's harder to "fake" it with 500 copies giveaways and 5-cent bundles. ❤️️
but i'd go with the extra option bludshade mentioned, number of played/finished wins seem more fair. i hate game collectors that leech sg to +1 their libraries.
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Ratio is one of the giveaway filters amongst a lot of others like WL, BL, CV level, invite only, puzzle giveaways, private giveaways, SGTools giveaways, group giveaways, region restricted giveaways,... Some people use gifts sent or CV sent or both or nothing but the rule of thumb remains the same for all of the people making giveaways: it's up to the individual giveaway creator how he or she wants to make his or her giveaways aka "my giveaways my rules".
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For me it's both took negative way ;p If someone has good Real CV ratio even if has horrible numerical ratio its fine for me. Maybe he wish to make just high quality nonbundle GAs, who am I to judge? If someone has good numerical ratio but poor RealCV its ok for me as well. You may get lucky, win 2 AAA games and uour ratio would be screwed because you cannot afford to make 120$ CV GAs just like that, all you can afford are some bundles. So I will consider a leecher only when he has very low ratio in BOTH numerical and RealCV.
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Of the two, RealCV makes more sense to me for "ratio." I don't get too caught up with ratio unless it's really egregious...like you're just going out of your way to win everything you can and contribute nothing or almost nothing.
But as others have said, the most important ratio for me is games played / games won.
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I thought I knew what ratio was, at least I had my personal definition of it based on past SGTools rules I had come across. However, I was recently told by someone that they, "[n]ever seen someone here talk about ratio that way."
As to not sway the poll in one way or the other, I won't reveal what I thought it meant. I would expect it to be 1 or 2 options, but I have included the
requiredpotato option for other ideas.If you think it should be inverse (Won:Sent), please choose the appropriate option and mention why you are so negative :P
Please share your thoughts! No GA at the moment so the discussion isn't filled with empty bumps.
EDIT: It seems a lot of people are interpreting this post about caring about ratio. That is not accurate, I am strictly asking what you think it means.
EDIT2: Updated title to try to better reflect this
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