The fact is that Tremorgames was a site that earned money from people with the promise that those people would be compensated.
Many people weren't. Either because they just stopped approving requests even though they were filed before the site was shut down or because the notice before shutting down was so brief and it was terribly communicated.
So yes, since the owner of the site made their "personal issues" into the sole public reason why the they took the money and ran, then yeah, it's more than our business.
I personally didn't use the site, but boy would I be pissed if around $30 in value was taken from me (10 surveys worth)
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I really can't understand the people who wasted their time just hoarding more and more coins instead of using them. But I guess it made sense to some, I was completely out of coins most of this year ever since their bots got banned. The site showed clear signs of dying for months between that and going down, so it shouldn't have come as that big a surprise to anyone.
Surveys worth $3, clearly shows you didn't use the site, more like $3 for 10-30 surveys :)
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I really can't understand the people who wasted their time just hoarding more and more coins instead of using them.
It can be said for anything. "Why would you hoard your money and put it to the bank that got shut down instead of spending it" or "Why would you buy more than a packet of ramen at a time instead of eating it, since it now got stolen from your place".
It's your funds and you can do what you want with them. Maybe you were saving up for a bigger purchase. Maybe you were saving to buy multiple games at a time. Maybe you saved up for the Steam gift cards for the sale. Maybe you were unsure of what to spend it on. Maybe you wanted to just flat out have a bunch of coins. Maybe you were a trader and wanted to have credits for a more flexible trade instead of a certain game.
The possibilities are endless. While legally this is fine, it still takes an utter piece of shit scam artist to pull this fucking trick. I literally can't see any "personal reason" being good enough for this. Someone died? Not good enough. Got crippled? Sure, finish up your deals, allow for a longer redemption time (around a year or so, like any other service like this). Maybe they got sued? Well, not a personal reason, so whatever.
In the end, this was a business. We shouldn't just be fine with a financial scam because the person said "personal reason". This is nothing more than emotional manipulation. Whether the owner was planning for it or not.
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The offers were already obvious scams, either by not paying or being abused by scammers, and they didn't care about that either. You could also do them on their original sites and get at least twice as much rewards. You can use money to buy whatever you want whenever you want, the coins were only usable on that site so by keeping your money as virtual currency at a shady site instead of a bank, you take the risk of them being lost. You can do whatever you want, including taking risks like that ignoring all the shady parts, but I find it silly to cry afterwards. I bought games whenever I had coins just because keeping them there meant this could happen any day, especially after the site clearly showed absolutely no maintenance or anyone caring, just 1 person doing forum support for the long months before this.
In the end it was a shady unofficial game reselling site with scammy offers and trusting them is completely everyone's own business. I really don't even care if it's personal, legal or altruistic reasons the site went down, it was obviously going to do that at some point or another. Sure it sucks but what is anyone going to do about it? Sue them?
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The offers were already obvious scams, either by not paying or being abused by scammers, and they didn't care about that either. You could also do them on their original sites and get at least twice as much rewards.
Totally agree. TremorGames is a middleman.
You can use money to buy whatever you want whenever you want, the coins were only usable on that site so by keeping your money as virtual currency at a shady site instead of a bank, you take the risk of them being lost.
This still doesn't excuse it though. A scam's a scam. It shouldn't matter who scams you. If you get stabbed, you get stabbed. Won't matter if it's Joey from work or Tim, your regular gigolo. If this was labeled as fine because it's either shady or it was a virtual currency, then we should be okay if Steam also did it. We don't own the games on Steam and they can revoke them whenever they want and we have no right to them. So technically we do take a risk with them too. So yeah, you're right. It's just that I don't approve of it in any way. It's very anti-consumer.
You can do whatever you want, including taking risks like that ignoring all the shady parts, but I find it silly to cry afterwards.
There weren't as many shady parts as you make there out to be. The site was embraced by the community and people liked it. Not to mention, TremorGames is a middleman. They don't own those offer sites. The offer sites put out the offers, not Tremor. Plus, it's still lost value. I'd be just as angry if people lost all their money that was waiting on G2A. These things have value. Users invested something into the system to get the value out of it. G2A is shady, but a scam's still a scam.
I bought games whenever I had coins just because keeping them there meant this could happen any day, especially after the site clearly showed absolutely no maintenance or anyone caring, just 1 person doing forum support for the long months before this.
I mean, good on you for that. I can't imagine most people just assuming that shit gets shut down for little to no reason. I'll take it you're currently assuming that Steamgifts might be shut down in the next 24 hours every time you make a giveaway or enter in one? At least here there's no required investment and it's at least less worse if it gets shut down.
I really don't even care if it's personal, legal or altruistic reasons the site went down, it was obviously going to do that at some point or another.
Yeah, but I expect decency. Time to cash out and leave. A more public announcement. Our community was lucky because a hell of a lot of people use the site. But those that don't use it? It was a blink and you'll miss it type of deal.
Sure it sucks but what is anyone going to do about it? Sue them?
Very possibly. I mean, I won't sue. I have no stake and I'm too dumb and poor for it. But even though it's a virtual currency, chances are that there are laws for protecting them and against sudden nullification of that currency. And considering how all other sites that run on VC have done things, I wouldn't be surprised if they made those shutdown periods last 12 months because of the law.
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Who said it was OK or excusing scams? I'm saying they were scammy to begin with so a new kind of exit scam wasn't that hard to imagine. You're saying they were fully legit because people love getting free stuff and only at the last moment did they do any kind of scams.
If you give your money to a friend and they scam you, it's on the friend. If you give your money to a known scammer who gave you some free candy, it's on you. Just saying people should be more careful with their money and time doesn't in any way mean that the scammer is somehow right, it only means they were silly to misplace their trust.
SG has active support and maintenance, see the huge difference? What if no new games got added for a year, nobody bothered to handle support tickets and the site would go down for a day or couple every now and then, would you think it's a great idea to invest large sums of money for giveaways here and be surprised if the server just died from unpaid bills? Like I've been saying, the signs were clear for anyone to see and people liking free stuff doesn't make it any more surprising.
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Who said it was OK or excusing scams?
My mistake, thought you meant that since the scam was expected that it's just less scummy of the owner to do it. My fault.
SG has active support and maintenance, see the huge difference?
There's only one owner and developer of the site. The support is basically like mods on a Twitch chat. They maintain community, not the site. TremorGames was also updated. Not the site layout, but rewards were updated, the reward types were updated, the games were updated, the company list who offered stuff (like Peanut Labs) and new companies were added. Just because the layout stayed the same, didn't mean things weren't done. Agreed though, cg is way more proactive with this stuff and it can't be denied.
Like I've been saying, the signs were clear for anyone to see and people liking free stuff doesn't make it any more surprising.
Fair enough. I personally just disagree. To me, the sign for shutting down is the site giving you a sign that they're shutting down. You'll have endless of examples on the Internet of websites that don't get updated but are still active and also websites that were updated rapidly and shut down.
This feels like hindsight rather than an educated guess. But again, can't say anything and we can just agree to disagree.
I get your viewpoint overall though. I used to think the same way. Not sure why I think this way now though.
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"Why would you hoard your money and put it to the bank that got shut down instead of spending it"
Bad example, it depends on the country but here in Poland you have a list of banks with government guarantee that your funds up to 50k EUR are safe there regardless what happens, and indeed when one bank collapsed, everybody got their funds from another bank as that guarantee, without any issues or questions, just verification. I'm pretty sure this is standard EU law, not just Poland being specific in it.
Tremor was never "safe" or "reliable" to begin with. Every site can disappear tomorrow, and if you own anything valuable at one, you should always take into account that it might be gone soon. SG is no difference, even Steam itself, there is nothing there giving you any guarantee of continuous service, so if by any chance you assumed that nothing bad will happen, it's only you at fault and nobody else. The guy could disappear without a trace the next day, he was already kind enough to let people redeem some stuff before everything is gone for good, even if majority didn't have a chance to get stuff back.
"It can be said for anything" - sure, except I do believe that having my funds in such bank with government guarantee is a bit more secure than hiding it in some abandoned shack and assuming that nobody finds it there. Likewise, keeping keys to Steam games is more secure than assuming you'll always be able to get them from IG or HB. And finally, having DRM-free games downloaded and backed up is more secure than assuming Valve won't close Steam one day. Whether you consider something to be "safe enough" is your call, Steam probably won't disapppear the next day, but Tremor in my opinion was never even close to being called secure enough to hoard virtual points on massive scale and assuming they're at your disposal.
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Yeah, I think it is.
If you're in the spotlight I think you should be required to give a reason if what you're doing effects other people.
If you murder people, you should leave a note so we know why.
If you cancel a tv show, you should tell us why.
If a celebrity commits suicide or a couple breaks up, tell us why!
It's just the decent thing to do, you know.
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he helped me out and meny more "Alot", and i want to help him/her out. how is that so hard to understand..
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It's not now that you say it, before it was impossible to know that's what you meant. But still, trying to help some person you don't know anything about seems like a lost cause even if a noble one. What would you do even if you knew what kind of problems they're having?
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Personal issues is absolutely an answer. Basically, there's some area in his life that caused him to decide to shut down the site. Maybe he wants to spend some more time with his family, maybe he just got bored. Who knows? We're not entitled to an explanation, it's his site to do with what he wishes and it's pretty much irrelevant at this point as the site isn't coming back either way.
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Personal issues is a perfectly fine response, some people are more private, and we should respect that.
The fact that they gave notice and delivered many games / rewards before closing is admirable compared to many of the other shady sites out there that just up and disappear one day.
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Nobody knows. As far as I know, nobody has any idea who ran the site in the first place (and it doesn't seem appropriate to dig into it if they didn't want to share.)
Running a site like that would have required significant time and effort - they had to buy keys and other things, make sure the whole thing worked perfectly, maintain relationships with all the various deal / ad people, and deal with constant errors and tech support and complaints and problems. Plus, let's be real, some of the sites they were trying to deal with were at least a bit scummy, which only makes it harder. They also had to deal with stuff like key revocations and the fact that a lot of bundle sites and key sellers probably hated them (since they reduced the secondary market value of keys), which limited their ability to get any sort of support themselves.
Running a site like that must have been a headache. Probably some personal thing came up that pulled them away from it, and they felt they no longer had the time to keep it running properly. I wish they'd given us slightly more warning (although I was able to redeem all my remaining points myself), but overall it doesn't seem that surprising.
And, I mean, if you feel mad at them - realize, they could have just left the site clunking along, slowly falling apart, with minimal to nonexistent support and no new keys being added ever. It still would have slowly made them more money, it just would have been an increasingly unpleasant experience for users. Or they could have vanished one day with no warning whatsoever. Deciding not to go that route and shutting it down cleanly was a better choice than that, at least, even if I wish they'd given us two week's warning or something.
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There's a solid lesson to be learned, here.
In life, there will be moments where you simply will never be told why something has happened. Nothing you can do will ever reveal this information to you. It is up to you to live with the knowledge of not knowing.
That said, it was probably insolvency.
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I'm baffled why you'd create a thread, expecting more information. Personal issues are pretty much a request for privacy, which is everyone's right. So even if someone from here knew, why would you expect them to reveal the reasons to you (and everyone else)?
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I'm a nosy person, but even I believe that personal issues is a perfect reason. Personal issues are just that. Personal. They do not have to be shared with anyone if they don't want. If you don't like that as an answer, then email the owner and demand an answer yourself. Although you won't get a reason other than 'personal issues'.
The owner has things going on in his life that prevent him from continuing with the site. Leave it at that.
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Why post creator has no name or location on his Steam profile? What are you hiding?
I don't take "nothing" for an answer!
Let me know why you're hiding under "public" profile without putting your real name or location on it? Are you afraid of something?
How old are you? Why you like getting free games so much? Are you poor? Are you greedy? Tell us, everyone thirsts this knowledge!!!
Do you have sister? Brother maybe? How's your dad's health? Is your mom still alive? What about other family members? Grandma?
PS. Hope you notice that personal information is personal for a reason.
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Personal issues didn't cause tremor games to shutdown the business plan did. You can't sustain a business model like that for more than a short period (a few years is a short period for a business).
It's the same reason icoke and every single promotional event has shut down.
There is a great financial incentive to shut down tremor games (icoke, etc too because when you shut down the event people don't just stop buying the product) the domain is worth about a quarter of a million dollars, with a 250 dollar daily earnings from page impressions, no idea how much they make from clicks/affiliate but you can guess it was almost like having a fulltime job if it was being properly managed.
Tremor Games was horribly mismanaged and planned terribly but it was still a decent product that had a considerable cash flow towards the end. What would have indicated that the owner knew what they were doing is if they had started to expand after tremor games had been established but they didn't. They should have gotten into crypto mining for tremor coins and started to expand to offer physical items for rewards and built up their holdings in the marketplace for websites like that.
TLDR: Tremor Games went the same way all products go when the creator doesn't know what they're doing.
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that's what some are trying to do. some have made their own webbsites thanks to tremor. and "some are ready to help out" if they only knew why it lead this way, but as meny said we will probly never know.
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So im sure you all know tremorgames has closed, but i have 1 question to ask and im 100% sure someone here have the answear to it.
What was that "Personal Issues" that lead to him/her close down the site. by reading some old posts here on steamgifts it looks to be some people knowing this guy, so im sure someone will have the answear.
If this question has already been answered feel free to direct me to that. As "Personal Issues" is not an answer.
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