Have you ever been scammed on steam?
If this is true, you were really naive. For your own good, I hope you learned your lesson, because there's many other people out there with much better scam tactics than this. I got scammed once, too, by an impersonator.
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If someone in the street ask you to buy him something and tell you that he will pay back you later, would you do it?
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If people could understand this, internet would be a safer place.
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I have once bought a bus ticket for an old woman and she said she'll pay back later.....
Does that count? Because I don't regret... ^^
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if he get vac ban, you lose the ability to give that game again, you know ??
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That is completely moronic. "Oh a student cheated so I better punish the entire class for no reason"
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Not that moronic as it looks. Cheating in online games is something really bad. And consequences should work as deterrent.
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yes it's moronic. cause that system punishes people that don't cheat and have no intent nor are liable for it happening. it's like forbidding ford to sell any more ford cars because one dude was spotted driving 10km/h above limit once
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Bad example.
It's like buying a gun for some shady looking folk you just met.
Don't be surprised if police will knock to your door.
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no it's not a bad example and buying a gun from (i guess) "some shady looking folk" i "just met" could still be fine as it could be the licensed gun dealer that just looks shady. then if your example implies an illegal activity then it has nothing to do with mine because buying a game or buying a car is most likely legal whereas buying a gun from black market is in itself illegal, and you may add on this the likeliness of not having a gun license in europe. my example implies that there exist situations where someone presumably fine would get punished for the bad behavior or (edit : *OF) someone else. you focus on the bad, against-the-rules behavior of someone misusing a product to claim that my example is bad yet i'm pointing out that someone who is not misusing the product and is not presumably doing something bad will get punished and that's unfair. you're basically totally missing the point
- fine trader trading a game to somebody
- that somebody cheats in that game
- that somebody is banned and the fine trader is also punished in that he can't give the game anymore
then
- fine car dealer trading a car to somebody
- that somebody breaks the laws with the car
- that somebody is fined/goes in jail.. and the car dealer is also punished in that he can't sell that model of car anymore ?
with your own shitty example :
- "fine" (legal) gun dealer (legally) trading a gun to somebody
- that somebody breaks the law with the gun
- that somebody is fined/goes in jail.. and the gun dealer is also punished in that he can't sell that gun model anymore ?
your first answer here :
Not that moronic as it looks. Cheating in online games is something really bad. And consequences should work as deterrent.
should be valable for cheaters, not those who presumably do nothing wrong. they shouldn't be held accountable for the misbehavior of others
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It's actually a really great analogy, but you're missing the point entirely and focusing on the legality for some reason instead of the operating logic. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not (and regardless of whether I do either, because I can't rightly say there isn't some far better method), the logic itself being applied here is sound.
The premise is that there's this strong interest in second party acquisition for the express purpose of ill-deeds (be it cheating or crime). Whether it's "fair" or not for any given scenario isn't the point: t's a common "needs of the many" argument. The applied logic follows that there's a greater impetus to stop crime/prevent cheating/whatever than there is in restricting the legitimate gifting to someone else.
The harm caused by leaving the loophole open (an easy source for continuing cheating) exceeds the harm caused by closing it (this violation of the nebulous 'fair"). The goal isn't holding normal people accountable for something their friend did a year later and without even an inkling of knowledge.. The ultimate goal is shutting down readily available mass sources for cheating accounts quickly by creating a shared accountability (allowing the possibility of legitimate gifting compromised with an immediate kill-switch) for the weighed best-interest of the community.
Again though, my defense is of the objective reasoning and is entirely independent of whether its the best way to accomplish its goal.
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that's bullshit. and i'm not focusing on the legality, though it's used to compare with the rules of most online games (= no cheating allowed). the one guilty is the cheater, not the one who provided them the game. if you buy a kid a skateboard and they use it to beat another kid with it it would be completely stupid to forbid you to offer skateboards anymore (unless one the kid(s) are known for beating people with skateboards, and still). simply, the kids should not be allowed to own skateboards anymore. if you give me a bottle of wine and i hit someone with it you shouldn't be forbidden to give bottles of wine from there on. if it has been found out that you're giving them away to people telling them to hit others with it then yes the police is probably gonna stop and arrest you. you can't tie both the "criminal" and its direct unfortunate contact in the chain of events, it makes no sense. now someone you gave away a game to cheats and you're blamed for it and punished and can't even buy more for your friends anymore with your main account (shaming). the cheater can and will just buy an account/game key from something/someone else. so the "solution" would be to bind everyone each to their unique online account that's officially registered and everyone would be tracked and nobody would be able to get another account/copy of a game and nobody would be able to buy a product for someone else. sounds fair and fun
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You're citing such absurd examples solely concerned with the impact towards these individuals in the potential "UNFAIR!" scenarios rather than evaluating a specific preventative measure applied for a specific epidemic affecting the community as a whole. The common relating factor between the gun and cheating analogy is this balancing act for the greatest common good. You're not wrong that the only "FAIR!" implementation to eliminate any potential injustice would be actually blocking everyone from gifting the game at all, but the applied method attempts to balance the ability to still gift the game genuinely with the way gifting has helped cultivate a perpetual supply of cheat accounts.
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no, i take both into account. it's inefficient at preventing people from cheating (unless everyone is blocked from it, and still), yet will and do punish innocent people with blame, shame and restrictions, for things they shouldn't be taken responsible for, like i said below.. and above.. :
punishing the one who gave a game key that has been used to cheat is just striking a sword into water. it won't prevent those who want to cheat from cheating but it will punish innocent people
it's basically just blaming and punishing people for being customers at this point. they're doing nothing wrong. that system becomes a problem on top of the initial one
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That's weird way to defend your opinion. You alter what I said and you defend against something that I haven't said xD
So let me say it one more time.
You shouldn't buy gun for some shady hobo.
You live in country where you need licence for gun? Then somebody asking you to go to shop and buy gun for him looks shady right away? Yes?
You live in a country where everybody can go to gunshop and buy rifle for personal use? Then it's even shadier. Why somebody is asking you to buy gun for him if he can do it? Maybe he robbed couple of banks and there is his "wanted poster" everywhere.
As for steam - you are supposed to have one steam account. Nobody cares about this and especially cheaters - if someone is banned on one account - nothing stops him to create another account, and buy himself/herself gift to cheat again on his/her alternative account. That happened in the past really often so valve put simple solution against it. It might seem harsh but everybody knows about it - and what's the most important - it's working.
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no, you're the one twisting what i said and missing the point. and you only focus on the bad things like only those can happen and therefore everyone is guilty. you don't seem to be at ease against logic (or else, you seem to be too much at ease since you don't understand things) so i won't bother answering you anymore
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only focus on the bad things
This is how security measures work everywhere.
It's better safe than sorry:)
And stop personal attacks. The fact that I look at things in different way than you doesn't mean that I don't understand them.
You seem to be emotionally connected with the topic. that blackist really hurt /s Tell me - were you in similar situation? Are you hiding some red letters behind that hidden profile?
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security measures don't work strictly the same in every area. punishing the one who gave a game key that has been used to cheat is just striking a sword into water. it won't prevent those who want to cheat from cheating but it will punish innocent people. i explained that above. there are no personal attacks, just constatations. you are the one doing personal attacks.saying that i am "emotionally connected with the topic" doesn't make you any right nor me any wrong. just more bs. also you are the one checking for blacklist (and since you are curious about it i blacklisted you long a go, probably because you were acting like a retarded idiot). you have been missing the point ever since you first answered Kegfarms and i gave explanations. now you're lurking on my profiles trying ad hominem borderline personam like a loser because the facts and the logical conclusion are already there (= whether i got vac bans or not is irrelevant) but you ignore them and just want to "win" some argument over the internet out of no substance. from my experience people like you won't shut up and recognize that they are wrong and have been talking bs or trolling on purpose and will talk others down and twist facts to suit their delusional narratives and just keep on flaming them. so have fun trolling i will just report you from now on instead of wasting my time answering
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who gave a game key
We are talking about steam "gifts". It's not a random key - it's a gift. With the way it works right now - you can't store them - you have to buy game for certain person. Your steam "friend". That probably means that you know who are you gifting too.
You are responsible for your actions. And if you give your gun to a stranger or you give vac protected game to a stranger - you will face the consequences (although in second case nobody would put you in jail so it's not that big deal after all).
but you ignore them and just want to "win" some argument over the internet
And you are doing something completely different?
i will just report you from now on
Because I broke any rule? You have some private police here?
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of course it's a steam "gift" but it's a registered key to an account you troll, and yes i will report you because you talk non sense over and over and make fun of me with your stupid memes
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Poor support xD
Would report you for making stupid reports but that would be overkill for staff of this site. You know they are undermanned?
Making fun of you is too easy. And it's not "my" meme. I don't have copyrights. It's quite old meme.
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Nah it's more moronic than it looks. Punishing somebody else for something somebody else has done has always been a shitty punishment system.
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yeah sounds like common sense but those guys think it's fair rofl
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So when you give car keys to somebody who is visibly drunk - it's not your fault at all if anything happens? With current system you can give gifts only to your friends - it means that you probably know them. and you know what they might be up to.
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if you give the key, he still have no right on your car because it is still your car, you didn't give away your car so ???
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but he can open doors and drive it? my point is that you would be partially responsible if he would hurt somebody while driving your car while being drunk.
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I get your point.... but there actually have been some cases in my own life where teachers have used that to get the cheater to confess. Basically, they figured out someone cheated in the class and they said that if the cheater didn't come forth, everyone would get a zero. The idea was to get the cheater to feel so bad that they would turn themselves in... or get someone who has information on who cheated to rat them out to save their own grade.
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That really only works against elementary school students. Even then some people confess just to prevent other people from getting in trouble anyway.
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To be clear... I wasn't saying that it works, just that some schools have actually used that method to punish cheaters. And this was in junior year of high school for me. To me... it's a really dumb way of finding a cheater that puts a lot of undeserved stress on people who actually were honest.
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Take it as a cheap learning opportunity and move on.
Don't let it embitter you for the future but do take a few more precautions next time.
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Sorry, but this really needs a very epic facepalm picture...
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Wait it's not trade, but you lend some money to your online friend which is you didn't know him personally ?
For trading,
Check his track record, steamrep 1st, etc.
No money now no trade, no gift/skin now no trade. One week later ? Nvm, just forget it, it will never happen!
There are so many "unwritten" rules to prevent something like this, in trade.
Well, lesson learned
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I'm not even sure that counts as getting scammed.
You basically traded it to become an admin.
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unless he agreed on something else later (like trading the payback for the admin rank), it's still scamming. you can't excuse a fail to meet the requirement of an agreement just because some other requirement has been met. if the agreement is that he will buy him cs:go for $16 to be repayed in a week AND to be set as an admin of that discord channel, then he has to get both the repayment and the admin rank, though the "pay back" doesn't seem to have been defined from what we can see on that screenshot but it seems fairly obvious
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he also banned me from his server and unfriended me but apparently i blocked him even though i only have mee6 blocked.
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yeah that's typical. if you buy/trade stuff with people you don't know, especially on the internet, you're most likely to get scammed. people have no issue lying and scamming others, especially on the internet
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On internet it means something like "look, I got picture of his shoes".
Which means nothing practical.
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It would be useful in a more serious case, where the law enforcement would ask the ISP to identify the owner of the IP at a certain time.
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They're dumb to block anyway since it 100% makes it look like a scam which means you can report it faster to save other people from being scammed.
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as far as i see it - you are just very generous =) Could you buy me a house in Santa Monica and I'll return you the money next week?
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Well, you broke the number one rule of the don't be scammed guidebook; "Don't be gullible"
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it had to be an impostor, julius had been dead for quite some time now
sry for your loss
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Oh yeah? If he's dead, then how do you explain this quote from him?
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I mean...this is like asking for being scammed. Checking everything regarding the transaction is necessary when you are dealing with people or companies you don't know. Check their history, their other products, their ratings, their trustworthiness.
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i would be more concerned with giving a stranger a vac-protected game.
not that you will need to gift it again to someone else, but...
well, lesson learned. don't give anything to beggars.
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what's the benefit of being a discord admin anyway?
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Can you buy me Valve Corporation, I'll pay you back the $
If not it's fine
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It's so naive, gullible and ingeunous that looks fake. So surreal.
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never got scammed. Seriously, how can you believe someone will pay back more than the price of the game? And all these "ill pay back later" from strangers... no way even 1 from 1 million arent scam.
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If he would have the money by next week, couldn't he just have played some other game for one week and bought it himself when he had the money? Who is in such a hurry to play csgo? Unless there is something fishy, which it turned out to be...
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That's why nobody likes Julius Caesar!
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So I decided to buy this guy csgo so i could get admin on his discord (450 members). I do it and he says he will pay me back in a week. Well he has the money for it and he is not paying me back. I reported him to steam, but I thought maybe some of the community could relate.
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