Simple: What seems to be the origin of your problem?
you: A game that I purchased legally won't work.
Simple: That is a recurring issue we have.
you: Well, how do I fix it?
Simple: You can't, your game won't work.
Simple: But there is a workaround for our future titles.
you: What kind of a workaround?
Simple: Just pirate all of EA games from now on.
Simple: It's simple.
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Hey man, it's not me who wants you to pirate EA games. It's EA who wants you to pirate EA games.
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That's often my thoughts about Ubisoft, they make it so difficult to legitimately play their games and so simple to pirate their games... you can't help but wonder how making it increasingly difficult to legitimately play games is supposed to encourage legitimate purchases.
Generally speaking you don't encourage behaviour by ensuring it's as difficult as possible. This obvious fact somehow seems to be misunderstood at times.
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you did buy the game, so downloading a torrent would be considered a backup.
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Reality: you want to support devs? you cant; over 98% of the money goes to publisher. Buying games legally but to play you need crack and devs still get nothing. Enjoy getting ripped
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"Oh may bad."
Oh wow. I'm glad everything I have on Origin I got for free. So technically I'm causing them prejudice.
Am I doing it right?
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I hate Orgin with a passion, but have you tried to activate it with https://activate.ea.com/applyentitlement.do? I've heard of games not activating through Orgin but activating through that instead.
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I tried both of these links... Synapse's link said this product is not valid for activation. Your's said that product information could not be retrieved...
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I used that link to activate my Retail Mass Effect for it to appear on Origin, even got the confirmation email. But it still didn't show up. So I contacted them, and they told me login Origin now and you will see it under my games tab. Guess what, it still didn't show up. So I contacted them again, and waiting for 1 week since.
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I've bought Mass Effect 1&2 from steam store due the huge sale (it was something like 10-15$ for both games together) and I can activate ME2 key in origin, but ME1 is "invalid" as well as yours I suppose.
Your story is the answer "why am I buying all the EA games in steam store?"
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Long story for any EU citizens about consumer protection laws:
If you are a European resident and your country is member of the EU:
You can demand a free replacement from the publisher or store. EU consumer protection laws state that if a product cannot be used and/or does not function properly after purchase (and this was caused outside of your fault) you are entitled to a replacement COMPLETELY FREE OF CHARGE.
You are entitled to a minimum warranty of 6 months AFTER you have received your product, no charges may be made to you for a product that falls under this warranty, not even shipping costs (note this only applies for warranties untill 6 months, after that they CAN charge you.)
It is up to the store/publisher to prove that your product is working correctly or incorrectly, not you. The law states that you may make such claims and they must (dis)prove it, you must however offer your cooperation if needed.
Unfair contracts or terms to the consumer are not allowed. A prime example being the "no refunds" policy.
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The No Refunds on software policies a lot of stores impose is a load of utter crap. If the store and EA won't help him and he purchased it via credit card, I have an alternative solution: Chargeback.
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I can agree with you on that one. Why sell something if you are not prepared to take responsibility for a failed, defective or unusable product, right? Usually, physical products cannot be treated like this, but sadly when it comes to software, companies treat it differently (and I can understand it if it were the case of "I played this game but didn't like it/or the ending")
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Sadly for me (and happily for EA) I am in a country that is not in the EU (but has applied for membership) and, perhaps more importantly, I am not a resident of said country anyway. Thus the EU consumer protection laws, while very nice and protective, does not cover me.
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Software is currently not defined as a good because it is not 'tangible', and therefore nothing above applies to them. That's the entire reason why the October draft of the EU bill is so different. It is also why software companies and their lobby groups like the BSA are adamantly against it. Older article but again addresses the fact that software is basically not covered under the EU directives.
http://www.bsa.org/country/News%20and%20Events/News%20Archives/en/2011/en-02022011-vote.aspx
Current drafts of the Oct EU bill bill do include this provision. However there is an exception to it for digital media Article 16 (m)
(m) the supply of digital content which is not supplied on a tangible medium if the performance
has begun with the consumer's prior express consent and his acknowledgment that he
thereby loses his right of withdrawal.
After this is passed expect the following
1) All online stores will do what Steam does and make you re-read their new ELUA before every single purchase. In this all withdrawl rights will be waived
2) When you install a game, the ELUA will waive your withdrawal rights
Note that if the ELUA 'notifies' you that you are waiving your withdrawal rights, then that's fine.
Previous provisions are still in place. If you break the seal on a game/software you cannot withdraw. Article 16 (i)
(i) the supply of sealed audio or sealed video recordings or sealed computer software which
were unsealed after delivery;
If you bought the game at retail, and you are looking at the key, you have no protection even under previous laws since you already broke the seal to do so.
http://register.consilium.europa.eu/pdf/en/11/pe00/pe00026.en11.pdf
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The question is: can these rights be waived, even with your agreement? In my country (Czech Republic) I have the right to return anything that I bought online in 14 days, no matter what. If I sign a thousand agreements that I surrender these rights, I will still have them and be able to claim them.
Also, I suggest reading these:
European Union introduces new Internet Shopping rights
How to get a refund on Steam (if youโre from UK)
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As my previous post indicated the answer is yes. All of Section 16 of the new EU policy states several exceptions. As noted 16 (i) you waive the right once you unseal your software, which covers any retail games that are opened. 16 (m) again explicity states that if you consent to waiving your withdrawal rights after you have 'begun the performance' on digital media then that is also valid. So in the future yes you are allowed to waive your rights to withdrawal. If you look through Section 16, lots of things don't apply like perishable goods, personalized items, etc. It's not 'everything' as everyone who quotes the EU law loves to say.
But that's all moot right now. In the EU, software is not considered a 'tangible good' under the current law so it doesn't matter anyways.
UK has much stricter laws which does actually apply to digital media. Which is why your last link only works if you're in the UK. A common previously complaint was that the EU laws were worse than existing the UK ones. The upcoming EU law makes them a bit more stringent and similar to the UK laws.
Read through the current draft of the law to see what is and is not covered
Note I'm not criticizing the law which affords EU residents with a lot of protections. However I dislike when people trot it out without actually understanding the law, what it covers, or if it even applies in the situation given. Yes a good 90% of the time the EU law will apply, but be careful about the other 10%.
As an example some Finnish person on the Steam forums was going on and on and on about how Steam wasn't 'respecting his privacy rights' and demanded some information REQUIRED by Finnish law. A 10 minutes read of the actual law indicated that as long as Steam wasn't based out of Finland, but only 'transferred data through it' they had no actual obligation to give the user what they wanted. It's this kind of idiocy that I detest. Do not claim the law does something if you don't actually know how to apply it.
Note that I'm not talking about you here. You asked a question if the EU laws applied in this case. My analysis of the law indicates that they do not. If I am incorrect that's fine, I'm man enough to admit I didn't read or understand something. However I would appreciate it if you would please quote me which part of the law would invalidate the 2 exceptions listed in Section 16.
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"If you bought the game at retail, and you are looking at the key, you have no protection even under previous laws since you already broke the seal to do so."
Aye, but the key they have given to me is not valid. So what you are saying is, they can just place random keys into game boxes, sell them for 50 dollars each and when everyone opens the boxes to install the game, the keys don't work and so they are not accountable.
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No I am not saying that. I was more referring to the general comments of 'I can return whatever I want whenever I want' which is incorrect and even more so for software/digtial media. More referring to people who would buy the game, open it, play it, not like it, then claim the game sucked and so I should be able to return it. Again a gross misrepresentation of the law.
It would be more appropriate to then say in your case the product is defective. As the CSR indicated you purchased the product more than 14 days ago, and thus your right to withdrawal has expired.
While I understand that you purchased a bunch of games and only are now getting around to it. However it's no different than say, buying an ipod, and not opening it for 3 months, then realizing that it's broken. So your situation is a tad unique given the cirucmstances.
You 'might' however be able to argue that the 'performance' hasn't started and thus your right to withdrawal didn't actually start until the performance started when you tried to install the game. Bit of a stretch but maybe something you could argue given your odd situation.
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Indeed, but only if it were going to a court. Why would I bother with it? Legal fees alone would surpass the value of the game or any compensation I would be getting. I just want my game to work without having to pay for it again.
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I have serious doubts about the police doing much to help in this situation.
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This is why I always install PC games when I buy them, and then run them once to make sure they work. Even if I subsequently shelve it for six months.
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What happened in the short few months since I contacted them? I contacted EA Support on two occasions one due to me registering a key on the wrong account, they decided to deactivate my current key and send me another key which was for a Limited Edition copy of the game that I did not have, I just had the normal edition. On the second the key said it was "used" when I attempted to enter it to play online so they deactivated it and straight away sent me another key which I was able to register and play online with.
Don't they do that anymore? They just send you to a warranty department?
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Listen very carefully. First, dont use the chat, have them call you. Second, say these words " I am having trouble activating my CD key". If you get a bunch of loop arounds you may have to do a call again. Games released prior to 2009 have terrible issues activating. Just keep at it man. I got BF2142, BF2 complete, Mass Effect 2, and BFBC2+vietnam, all for free, by talking to them, and doing it politely. Just dont give up, dont get mad, and most of all, dont give in.
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"Simple: Oh may bad."
That doesn't sound professional
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dude, the guys username is "Simple"... what professionalism are you talking about :D
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I spoke to one of those supportes a few days ago and his english was even worse then mine.
Kinda funny, the two of us trying to get things resolved. At least I have Veteran 7 now with the 2 Battlefield Games I own ... :D
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Origin is so broken ATM, when i bought BF3 i eneded up downloading the files through a torrent site because Origin didnt want to download the game, and when it did it was downloading at 30kb/s top -.-
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torrent Mass Effect
it doesn't have multiplayer anyway
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Wow, nice :/. Mass Effect (2) are great games, help the devs to go on with the series if you like them, buy the game. If not, don't play the game.
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I have already bought the game. problem is the key provided in the box isn't working- it is invalid.
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Which is the fault of the publisher. And it's as invalid now as it was at the moment of purchase. EA not helping you is a dick move. I've hated them since they ruined the Command&Conquer series.
On a related note, a friend of mine got Battlefield 2: Euro Force (one of the booster packs) gifted as a retail copy a few years back, when they were still selling them in stores. Those retail packs only came with a key and a link of where to download the content, which is normal. But the download site was already long gone, even while they were selling those as retail!
That's like saying "Sorry, we don't support that game anymore. Yeah we do still sell it, but you won't get shit for your purchase"
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Yes, it is the publisher's fault. Sadly, I cannot get anyone at their customer support to agree with me that it is their fault. I am guessing the poor fellow at the call enter in India, being paid under $5 an hours, has almost no authority to solve any issues customers have (like giving a new key or even sending a message to warranty department informing them of the situation) and thus just gives by-pass advice to get you off the customer support line as soon as possible.
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hmm.once i had a conversation with EA Support, here it is:
Hi, my name is Ashley. How may I help you?
2264034151: Hello, Ashley! I bought Mass Effect 1 on Steam and the CD key isn't recognized on the Bioware site. I'm trying to download the DLC for the game. They said I had to contact EA support about the key problem though.
Ashley: Are you trying to reguster the game for Bring down the sky dlc
2264034151: yes
Ashley: [XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX] please use this code to unlock it
2264034151: thank you
2264034151: so i need to enter this code in the DLC installer?
Ashley: yes
2264034151: ok, thank you very much! have a nice day
Ashley: Is there anything else I can help you with
2264034151: no, thank you, i`m good
Ashley: After this chat you would get a survey form on your email, Please fill that and provide your valuable feedback to us
2264034151: ok
2264034151: goodbye
'2264034151' disconnected ('Concluded by End-user').
but, seriously, EA Warranty policy sucks ass :)
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ok but were u able to add this key to your origin account or use it to install the game. I can't use my key to authenticate my game at all- it is invalid, which is where the problem starts. If the key this lady provided for you can be used to authenticate the game, then this may well be a solution.
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care to share how, cuz I am getting really pissed off with this support... Still no change in my key status and can't download the dlc for the game either (not that it matters without having installed the game in the first place, but anyway)...
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EA releases games that aren't unlockable with their own CD key.
SEGA at least lets you install the game, but they haven't been able to properly code a game in three years (case&point Alpha Protocol & Shogun 2).
What the fuck is happening to the game industry? No wonder indie devs are more popular than anything.
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Here's why you should never buy from EA or origin.
You are now ready to chat with Simple.
Simple:
Thanks for contacting EA Help! My name is Simple how may I help you?
you:
Hello Simple. I contacted EA support yesterday about an issue. My mass effect key that came in the box was "invalid". I was supposed to be contacted today but I didn't recieve anything.
you:
So I decided to contact you guys again.
Simple:
Okay.
Simple:
*****, may I know from where you have purchased the game?
you:
I purchased the game from a major electronics and software retailer in the country I am in right now for work purposes.
you:
The game came in the original box with the manuals and everything else, but the key was invalid...
Simple:
Okay. Please tell me if you have contacted the retailer regarding this issue?
you:
I have. They say they cannot help and I must contact the publisher. They do not take returns on software products and do not provide support for it either.
Simple:
Okay. Iโve an alternate solution for you. Our Warranty department should be able to address your concern which can be contacted through the link:
Simple:
http://help.ea.com/article/electronic-arts-warranty-policy
Simple:
Simple:
You can also reach the Warranty department at the following address:
Simple:
Mailing Address:
Simple:
Electronic Arts Warranty Department
Simple:
9001 N I-35 Suite 110
Simple:
Austin, TX 78753
Simple:
The Warranty Department would provide you a sealed copy of the game which can be sent to the Retailer for a new code.
Simple:
you:
Well, the problem is, I bought this product on the 4th of May of this year along with 20 other EA products. I have been playing them one by one and I only recently got a chance to install mass effect.
you:
However, the warranty terms seems to indicate that a key will only be provided from 90 days from the date of purchase?
Simple:
Yes, upto 90- days, its for free. After 90 days, it will charge.
you:
what, so I have to pay to get a key that was supposed to work in the first place?
you:
I can understand if it were a case of defective physical media: i could have played the product or damaged it myself, but this is EA's mistake
you:
I do not see why I should be paying for an error made by the publisher and?or developer
Simple:
I understand that but due to policy consideration, I won't be able to assist you in this matter.
Simple:
http://http://help.ea.com/article/electronic-arts-warranty-policy
Simple:
Please visit this link for more information.
Simple:
Simple:
http://help.ea.com/article/electronic-arts-warranty-policy
you:
Yes, thank you. You alreayd sent the link to me. But the link is useless for me, because my manual and physical media is all intact.
you:
I need a working cd-key, my product is in good shape and I do not need a replacement
Simple:
In that case, you can buy a new code from warranty department as you have the disc.
you:
Right, so how do I contact the warranty department? Do they have an email?
Simple:
Yes, all information is available in the link.
you:
The link you sent does not have any links to an email
Simple:
Oh may bad.
Simple:
They don't have email address. You can contact our phone support for more information.
you:
right.
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