Theres no such thing as future proof, but that will get you by at medium setting for 5-7 years. If you really wanted to squeeze every dollar out of it. I personally say 16gb ram, for future, not needed now, but who knows 3 years from now. (and its cheap)
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While I do know that I'll have to change all of the components eventually, by future-proof I was more-or-less referring to the idea that it would last me a good couple of years before having to change anything. I appreciate the help tho. I'll be looking into the 16GB RAM idea.
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The 780TI is on par with the titan :|, 970 already is better then the Titan... He would be best off getting a used 970/980/980TI from someone upping to the newest card. No point paying the early adopter fee when you can get the same performance for half the cost.
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This. The 1070 is so far above the 970 it just doesn't make sense to settle for less.
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Check out the pcgh.de or Gamestar.de PC builds
8 GB is the minimum, best would be 16GB when the prices are low.
No SSD? 128 or 250 GB SSD for OS and most important programmes/games.
The 970 is sufficiently fast for Full-HD gaming, the only major problems is when more than 3,5GB Vram is used and coil whine on some models.
PSU? 500 Watt is totally sufficient, Bequiet is more or less the standard here in Germany.
Edit: If you can, wait till the custom 1070s are on the market.
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500 is not enough. This card alone needs around 500. Speaking from experience.
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No it doesn't.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-GTX-980-Grafikkarte-259282/Tests/Test-Geforce-GTX-980-970-GM204-Maxwell-1136157/
Test when it came out. Power consumption of the Asus 970 Strix in game benchmarks 165W.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/E-Commerce-Thema-223039/News/PCGH-Gaming-PC-Skylake-Edition-1181412/
Consumption of the whole PC (PCGH-Gaming-PC Skylake-Edition: Geforce GTX 970, Core i5-6600): 255 Watts in 3DMark
Edit: What every PC needs is a good PSU.
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Tests and real user experience are two different things. I've trusted tests and got one toasted PSU.
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Ah, Notabene, friendly as always.
Maybe if you looked at the links you'd realize what you're actually writing yourself. But no point in discussing with you.
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Technically it does not, but the additional hardware efficiencies (or lack there of depending on the hardware) will tilt the need one way or the other. That being said, I would personally exceed 500W myself for a couple of reasons. The first is to consider possible expansions of hardware or accessories down the line that will consume additional power. The next is that 500W may cut it, but it is at the bottom of the barrel for being able to support the OP's system. PSUs rarely kick out there full wattage from the get go, and the amount of juice they kick out only decreases over time. Therefore I would go higher just to have a little wiggle room.
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I'll be looking into the 16GB RAM idea, because many people have suggested it. Also, I'm going to invest in a 128/256 SSD, I just forgot to mention it there. Will be updating the component table soon.
Regarding the PSU. Reddit and other sites suggest 850W. From previous experience, it is indeed better to have a fairly large margin of error when taking into account the power consumption. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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People have been suggesting 16GB of ram for 5 years or more, with 8GB STILL being more then enough outside of special requirements. 850W PSU is really beefy for a single card setup. Unless you are getting a duel AMD card like the fury X, or SLI'ing two g.cards, you dont need that much power. Unless you HAVE the money to spare, invest in a smaller, but higher quality PSU. You can get a 1150W psu from a terrible manufacturer and end up with only a 550W effective headroom. Better off getting 8GB, saving 50-60 bucks, and getting a 650~W psu, saving another 40-60 bucks, and tossing that towards a better GPU or cooling.
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My brother runs a Z170 board, i7 6700, 16GB and a standard design GTX 970 with a Bequiet 630 Watt PSU. Go for a good quality manufacturer with at least gold efficiency as that means better components were used.
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Personally, if you intend to run games at moderate levels versus high or ultra; I might even consider the SSD a higher priority than the RAM. I would definitely get the RAM down the line, but the improvements in initial boot time and load times are just soooooo damn worth it with the SSD.
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If you don't have any additional storage, keep the 1TB, but add an SSD, since you still have some cash left it seems.
Also, go for more RAM. For me, the graphics card is fine, but you can wait for the soon to be released NVidia range.
How much do 4K monitors sell for where you're living? It's still annoyingly pricey here.
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I don't really need more than 1TB of storage to be fair. I stream most of my movies and I don't ever play 100 games at the same time. I will however be adding a small SSD (128/256GB) for the operating system and other programs/games. I forgot about it when I built this. :)
Also, the 4K monitors range from 450 to 1250 euros. :)
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I suggest paying 10 bucks extra and getting the 3000 Mhz variant of RAM because they have a slightly better performance and give extra 1-2 fps for most of the games.
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In the long run I suppose it will be better once programs start getting better optimized for using that extra RAM speed once DDR4 solely takes over DDR3. Its 10 bucks man, just go with it.
I suggest Gskill Ripjaws for the RAM thugh I'm not an expert on it..
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I would w8 for gtx 1070 to come out at june first , secondly 1 tb disc is way to low , also 8 giga ram used to be good consider start with 16 giga or upgrade in the near future
There is no such pc as future proof but i5 is not future proof you should consider going for i7 it will prob cost you at list 70 euros more but its worth it
General advice is to see benchmarks i dont have the time to look into them atm but see benchmarks for your motherboard 1151 is for newer i5/7 but it may be a bit overpriced not sure
The cooler is it watercooling? the newer i5/7 kinda need a good watercooling they overheat easy
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Will be waiting for the release of the 1070. If it proves to be too pricey, at least maybe the 970/980 will see a small price drop. Why is 1TB too low? I mostly stream my movies/music, and surely I won't have 100 games installed at the same time. Will definitely be looking into 16GB RAM as almost everyone has suggested it.
I'm not going to even consider an i7 because it brings no real improvement for gaming over the i5, and I don't really use any other CPU intensive programs.
Not sure about cooling. That's why I'm asking you guys. :p
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Newer games needs around 20-60 gigs leaving aside your OS and any programmes you may install lets say that leaves you with 750 gigs to spare for me at least that is low i could easily cover that with around 15 AAA titles but i also like to play a few games each time not just one anyway i have 2 tera only for my games and latelly i find it little
i5 is powerful its not a bad choise but there is difference in gaming it may be hard to found but considering VR or a 4k monitor since there is a hint for a price drop soonish an i7 would matter a lot also i think there is a game that have an i7 as recommended and i5 as minimum not sure tho
Cooling the cpu is important and i5/7 cause they are powerful they need a good cooling device , i find watercooling the best option even tho is a bit more expensive
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Edit: *$380 for the 1070
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True, $380 USD my bad! But still it would be wise to wait a month longer and see if the upgrade is worth it or just see the 970 drop in price.
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Well personally on a Mobo I look for a good Audio Codec, usb type C for future proofing, at least dual crossfire/SLI just in case (but I doubt I will see it as a cheaper option than buying a single new card) AND easy overclocking features. I've made my research and Asus gives you a one click CPU overclock, MSI gives you a rather easy BIOS interface and Gigabyte gives you both amazing CPU and GPU custom and preset overclocks without needing to enter the BIOS! So for a newbie like me this was the clear choice.
About the RAM if you can afford it I will definitely recommend a 2 x 8 GB kit, and like I said check the 3000 Mhz sticks.
Finally, if you want to invest into a Full Tower the Entho Pro is pretty amazing, it might get some dust inside due to poor frontal design (its biggest flaw, but not THAT serious) but it's still pretty well received. If you want to save some money check the Midtowers that I mentioned, I'm in love with the Define S due to its capabilities to house a custom water cooled build in the future (this means I could stick with the same case for a looooong time) and lots of fan positions.
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I'll be listening to these suggestions. Will be adding another 8 GB of RAM or remove the existing 8 and go for another brand. Not sure yet but I will be checking reviews and stuff. Same goes for the SSD. Received a few suggestions so I'm definitely going to check them out.
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For the SSD i would suggest the Samsung 850's that 3d nand they are using is blazing fast my laptop on win 8.1 was cold booting in like 3 seconds a little slower in win 10 tho,and on a tighter budget the mushkin SSD's are a great deal my wifes had one in her computer for a few years now with no issues its the only budget SSD i would buy.
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I found a configuration I did for myself.
I tried to write it down using a table to make it look better.... then my browser crashed and since I noticed that other users had already posted the same thing I would have posted I didn't redo it.
Also talgaby was referring to the fact that I put the i7-6700k as a CPU when looking how the output with the table would have been.
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Probably the best starting setup I've seen on this forum for a while. But seriously, get an SSD. Not having an SSD for system nowadays is just a horrible, horrible choice.
Also, Seagate desktop HHDs have an almost 30% failure rate within 12 months. Get WD or HGST drives. A WD Green/Blue next to a system SSD functions well enough as a storage, even for gaming (although a Blue is better for that).
Also, in a year or so, upgrade to 16 GB RAM.
And finally, if you can, wait a bit to see if the price of the 970 will drop after the release of the 1070. With your budget, you won't have a chance for the newest generation of GPUs, but maybe the older ones drop a bit.
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+1 about Seagate.
I have personal experience with more than one disks. I did firmware updates during an era when the company announced major flaws and released the updates to check serials and fix accordingly. They lasted about 4 years. After that, I was lucky and got a SMART warning that they were about to fail and managed to finish some critical backups. Then they failed.
I also had a third external SG disk, which also failed after some years.
A fourth external disk is still fine however, after about 5-6 years of usage, same buy date with the third one.
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I myself avoid WD's hard drives like the plague i personally have only ever had there drives fail on me were i lost all data i have had one seagate fail but i was able to recover all data as it did not completely fail like all my WD VelociRaptor drives have,i would go with a Seagate for storage usage you can get them for about the same price and are far more dependable.
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you also need to consider the volume of Hdd being sold something that site wasn't doing last year here is 2013-2015 with volume considered,you cant really go by what any site says these days they almost all have "sponsors"or other factors and its easy to skew results in favor of one company or another by leaving out important factors like how many of the units sold: if seagate sold 1million Hdd and Wd only sold 8000 then even if half of the wd hard drives failed they would still show favorable if your just listing the amount of units that failed.
in this chart they consider amount of units sold WD has double the failure rate.
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Blue is the generic drive, their work horse. It is designed to run continuously under average load with average performance. It is the best for generic use, for example as a drive you download to, listen music from, keep less demanding games at.
Green is purely storage for rarely accessed files. Cheap, but in everyday use it can be slow and continuous read/write leads to those high failures I linked below (most of the failed WDs are Greens).
Red is for RAID storage and built only for that. Can be used as a generic drive, but not recommended. Primary choice for any NAS or RAID setup though.
Black is high-end enthusiast drives. Nowadays they are rather useless, funny enough. Before SSDs, they were the best choice for system/games, now they are only good if you want a generic drive with a longer warranty and a higher transfer speed (for example, if you have to create and move large backups).
There are about half a dozen more, but those are special/business level ones.
I hope this clears it up a bit. :)
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75 euros for an Air cooler is just too much. Get something cheaper (unless you are going for OC, then get an All in one Liquid cooler). Evo 212 is a good air cooler option and cheaper.
Add an SSD. I'd suggest a 250/256 GB one but if you are tight on budget then go for 120/128 GB just for the Windows.
You don't need the Z series Motherboard if you are not going to OC (Overclock). Go for H170 series as they are a bit cheaper.
I'd wait for the 1070, as it launches in less than 2 months. However, I can't guarantee you that it will cost less than 400 Euros in Europe.
You could as well opt for a cheaper case but, that personal preference more or less.
These are what I'd change based on my basic knowledge. Hope you find these helpful.
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I wouldn't go for a cheaper mobo. The price difference is often not much and the Z boaards have better components and often more connections/features. Some may even have a better warranty or cash-back deals.
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I went for the Z series because I'd rather be covered for a longer period in the future, instead of going for the H and realizing I might want to overclock next year or something like that.
The cooler suggestion I got from the reddit and they said the Noctua would be an improvement over the Evo 212.
Also, will be checking out SSDs.
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Why not a cheaper tower for like 50 euro and get a 2 tb hdd? Also get a 1070 when it comes out. Also were is the power supply? A SSD isn't really needed, but it's a luxery, you could get it later. Also get a cheaper cooler like a cooler master hyper 212 evo, I got it and it cools my i5 6600k pretty good.
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Get decent PSU. My 970gtx burned down my stock PSU first time around. Had to upgrade to 700wat one.
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What is your currency? I usually select component for my friends in PLN.
Like everyone else: Wait for GTX 1070 - but avoid cheap turbines.
PSU: Cooler Master G550M would be great.
SSD: Samsung PRO 256GB - 10 years warranty, or EVO ( twice cheaper) - 5 years.
RAM: 16 GB, 2x8GB, buy 2400MHz and overclock it :D ( ask on any forums for overclockers, they will tell you what you should take)
HDD: For 12 years I only use WD drives, but you should get what hotbullet8 selected.
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My currency is RON. Making things a bit more expensive than for others. :)
Will be looking at the PSU you suggested as well. Was initially thinking of a EVGA 850W 80+ Bronze Certified unit.
Gonna look into SSDs as well
16 GB apparently is the better choice
HDD - still looking and trying to decide between Hitachi and WD Blue.
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I've looked at your specs.
Not bad, but my 1,5 cents:
Wait with the GPU, do not get a 970GTX. Check what the 1070 gtx will go for in a while. Much more cost effective if the prices they estimate ae correct.
CPU is good and the cooler is too, same for mobo. Those choices are not bad. Potentially you could get cheaper, but I suspect the difference is negligible. Ram, nothing to be worried about.
I never comment on cases cause they're pretty subjective often with how they look . :P
As for the HD: get a HDD and SSD and set it up to have most used games/stuff on the SSD including a slimmed down Windows version. Use the HD for everything else.
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That case is one of the best cases out there, and it is also very cheap for what it offers. I have it right next to me—the only downside is that it is so deep that you may have trouble with some screws for the mobo, but otherwise the cooling is great, cable management is unbeatable unless you pay twice as much, and it has room for a ton of parts.
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I'll add my 0.5 cents to it!
Totally forgot about the next gen release, so I will be waiting for it, at least for a price drop in the current generation if not for more.
The case is going to be under the desk, so looks aren't that important to me.
Definitely adding an SSD to the build. :)
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nice, I bought the exact same CPU and motherboard last month ;)
That motherboard was the most cost-effective z170A I found that fit my requirements.
I got the Cooler Master 612 v2 cooler or something like that. It might be a bit more cost effective, though the heatsink is enormous.
You might wanna look at Fractal Design cases, they are the most elegant cases I've ever seen, in my opinion.
with the new gen of GPUs you might want to wait a bit if you want to go that high on the GPU
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well, the build is only a month old, and I haven't overclocked yet, but so far I have nothing to complain about, all running as well as it should
I guess I should probably try the auto OC just to test it. I got the k-cpu mainly for future proofing, as well as 'cause I want to play around with overclocking at some point.
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I would seriously suggest to wait for the new generation of GPUs from NVidia and AMD. NVidia has already announced that the 1070 reference will be 370$ ( I think? ), and AMD has said that the 490 and 490X Polaris 10 cars will be around the 300-400$ mark as well, wait a month and see the benchmarks, then decide which one to get. You can also get the rest of the PC now and go with the on board GPU from the i5 6600k until you get the card.
If you absolutely NEED a GPU now and need to get one now, I would seriously suggest you to consider an R9 390. While the 970 is a good card indeed, the ~3,5gb limit is holding it back on games when at high settings and resolution, compared to the R9 390. Many people would disagree with me, but I have personally had both in my PC (an MSI 970 and a Sapphire R9 390 <my current card) and in some games at the same settings I would see micro stutters in the 970. While not a game breaking problem, it is a problem in some games and gets you killed.
All that said, I would urge you again to wait for the new cards and make a decision after the benchmarks, since even the reference models from NVidia and AMD would be much better than the non reference cards right now.
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I was actually thinking to buy everything else now (or on near-future sales) and the add the dedicated graphics card at a later date. Guess it wasn't such a bad idea! :D
Probably won't be looking into another graphics card if the new 1070s are cheap enough, because I can't afford buying a R9 390 now and another 1070 in a couple of months. :p
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Yep, since the Zen CPUs are coming out at the end of the year, there is no reason to wait if you want to build a PC now. But when the new gen GPUs are out and you are shopping for one, I seriously urge you to look at the 490s alongside the 1070s, when both are out next month. I always urge people to look at AMD since they have great cards as well, but people always buy the often overpriced NVidia cards and they are only helping NVidia become a monopoly. Always look at the benchmarks and reviews, don't decide on buying something just because it's more popular.
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I'm considering the 1060Ti, just wanted to point out it may be an interesting GPU too.
I got a 750Ti (overclocked, on sale) which is very cost-effective, it does well the majority of things I want it to do, and now I can afford to wait as long as I want for all the info I want on the new gen. I'll definitely wait until 1050 and 1060 are out with aftermarket coolers and all the benchmarks, same for AMD equivalent. Maybe I'll wait to see how the 1070Ti turns out to be. I can wait as long as I need to :D
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Some suggest a different case. Just remember to factor in the cost of decent fans if the others don't have them as standard.
You could also have a look at these for a feel for prices for good PCs:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/E-Commerce-Thema-223039/News/PCGH-Gaming-PC-Skylake-Edition-1181412/
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Probably just wait for 1070 GPU if I were you, maybe put the extra to get another 4-8GB of RAM and I highly recommend an SSD :)
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Do you plan on overclocking the CPU? If yes, good choice of CPU, but a little overkill on the CPU Cooler unless you want super quiet operation. If no, the i5-6600 would be sufficient, on top of that you can get an H170 mobo which is cheaper and a cheaper cooler or use the boxed cooler.
16GB of ram would be better for the future. SSD is highly recommend.
Do NOT get a cheap PSU. Corsair, EVGA (made by Seasonic and Super Flower), Seasonic, Super Flower, XFX (made by Seasonic) are good brands, just check the reviews. Again do not get a cheap PSU, they can go poof.
As for the GPU if you can, wait, as both vendors will something new in the next few months.
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I don't plan on it today, but I might in the future. So the K and Z series looked like the better choice. Will also be upgrading the RAM and installing an SSD as soon as I find some good reviews on the internet.
As for PSU, these are my current 2 choices:
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The EVGA unit would be better as long as it is not a NEXB version. Try to get something from the tier 1 or 2. PSU tier list
Get a cheaper case instead of a cheaper PSU.
For the SSD, get the Ssamsung 850 evo, you can't go wrong with that.
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8gig ram is minimum imo. Had to swap my 8gigs out last week due to me hitting the 8 mark quite a few times.
You should at least get a small SSD for your OS.
i7-4790K is the CPU i'm currently looking for and it is a lot better and not that expensive IMO. At least here in Sweden especially if you get an uppgrade package wich would make it even cheaper.
There might be even better CPU for you depending on the price factor but this is my 5 cents.
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The overall internet suggestion is the i5-6600k for gaming for the price/performance ratio. I know there are a few other extreme CPUs, but my budget is quite limited as I need to buy a monitor as well. :)
Thinking of a 128/256 SSD for the OS and a couple of programs/games as well.
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Ssamsung 840 evo is really cheap for an 250 SSD. Bought mine like 1-2 years ago and it was not that expensive. Think it is one of the best for the price? I could be wrong tho.
Also if you don't mind clocking your CPU you could allways get an used Intel Core i7-2700K super cheap and clock it for some super value. If i didn't want something better i would probably buy oneas they cost close to nothing now a days.
Edit: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2570&cmp[]=881
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Price is ~300 euros for the 2700k. Which is quite expensive, especially since it's not much better than the i5. I'm looking for a "budget" system that would allow me to play some of the newer games on 1080p, with medium-high graphics. If I had an infinite budget I'd just go for the i7-5960X and double the value of the PC. :p
Also, the Samsung does sound like a good bargain.
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Hey guys,
So, just as the title suggests, I'm looking to buy a new PC. I'll be mostly using it for gaming and movies/music. I live in Europe (not in a 1st world country) and my current budget is somewhere between 1k-1.5k euros. I know that buying parts and fitting them myself in a PC would be the absolute cheapest option, but I'm not the greatest whizkid when it comes to building PCs. I've only had desktop PCs when I was younger, and I currently own a 2009 laptop that's pretty much at the end of its life, thus pretty much anything would be an improvement.
From what I've seen online, my best chance would be to live in the US, which I don't. Unfortunately, as I understand, options for me are a bit more limited, especially since I don't live in Germany/UK (which look like the more powerful IT markets), and my country's currency isn't actually euro.
However, I managed to use reddit's bang-for-your-buck guide (https://www.reddit.com/r/PCMasterRace/wiki/builds) and got the following build:
As a side-note, I'm not into playing games at the highest settings with everything maxxed out and so on. I can play games on medium-high settings without problems. So, would this be relatively future-proof build? If not, let me know what I should change/what are the better options here.
I've found a similar build on iBuyPower.de (the german site) for ~1200 euros (monitor+keyboard+mouse included). Would that be a better option? I'm not sure about a good gaming monitor that wouldn't crack my wallet, so I just picked a sort of bundle for the iBuyPower PC.
Thanks for your time. :)
P.S. There's gonna be a giveaway here in a few days, I just need to sort out all my keys and see what's been used already. :p
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