To make sure that only users who contributed to the site is able to join.
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Conversely, to- as much as possible- minimize having to interact with the overwhelming amount of bots and autojoiners and other exploitative users that dominate lower level giveaways.
For example, there was a level 5 multi-copy giveaway I did once, where the majority of entrants were rule-breakers, and most of the rerolls were as well. Each level below that multiplies the risk of having to waste your time on such a scenario- this is especially true for levels 2, 1, and 0, where the rate ramps up significantly per level dropped.
Flip side, when you find a high level exploiter, they can sometimes be staggeringly manipulative in their site use. Unfortunately, SGT filters are really the only way to reliably avoid the most common forms of rule-breaking and exploitations- but when interacting within a group, or wanting to make a public giveaway, level restrictions work as the bare minimum way of avoiding issues.
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different reasons.
- to give something back, to the users tthat helped the community
- to avoid lechers
- to be sure the people know how the page works (noregifting and stuff like that)
but at least 2 and 3 can even happen in high levels
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Reward people who have gamed the system!
Also it's rather noticeable that higher the level less the issues.
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Well, some people like to be selective. x) But, to be frank, most of them just think they'll avoid rule-breakers this way.
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avoid no, decrease yes :)
when i made about 30+ ga on lvl 1 or 2, I had to reroll 1 out of 5 and even reroll the rerolls.
when I had another ga spree Iput on a higher lvl and had a lot less issues
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That's exactly why I said that they THINK they'll avoid them, not that they will actually avoid them. :P You can always make a private giveaway for puzzle solvers.
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You are right, must have overlooked that, I apollogise :)
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Contributor's giveaways were originally created as a way to thank those who are generous enough to give away games to other members.
People have various reasons for using them, but that's the original intention behind it.
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If you weren't able to select a level for giveaways, then there would be no point for the level system to exist at all.
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lets be honest, you have made 20 giveaways public with no level. you HAVE to know the reason why by now haha heck if i do a public i end up having to reroll at least once before i find a real winner. and its annoying as heck.
like 2 out of 5 people that win have to be rerolled. its a huge time waster ive probably had to reroll about 100 people over the course of my giveaways, sometimes the no level ones im rerolling the people who won via a reroll,
had one giveaway where i had to reroll like 5 winners and it was only a single copy giveaway lol
if you never rerolled a winner, then that just means you dont check your winners for rule breaking on sgtools. which means you are giving games to people who are bad people xD i wont even do non-level restricted giveaways anymore. 2+ works well
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I have never had any issues with public no level giveaways to be honest. I heard it happens a lot, guess I just got lucky ^^
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Do you check your winners for unactivated and multiple wins ? Because otherwise how would those problems occur ?
I randomly checked a single 1 of your winners (Lvl 1 public) and immediately found a non-activated win less than a month before your gib.
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The problems people usually complain about is having to reroll because people already own the games or don't respond on tries to contact them.
If they don't activate my win I'll just ask for a reroll, had to do that on leveled-giveaways already.
I only check if they already own the won game or are suspended atm, if they're in a good standing at the moment I'm not the one to judge.
If they had an issue on another giveaway from someone else that's not really my business if they didn't get a ban or the such.
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If they don't activate my win I'll just ask for a reroll, had to do that on leveled-giveaways already.
If they don't activate your win they have already received the key / gift and there's nothing you can do about it beside blacklisting for the future. That's why many people use SGTools Rulechecker to check what happened to previous wins.
Also an account that has unactivated / multiple wins within the last month or unactivated / multiple wins for which they haven't been punished is not in good standing.
I'm not saying that's the way you have to do it. I'm just explaining why many GA creators check up on their winners using SGTools.
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If they don't activate your win they have already received the key / gift and there's nothing you can do
of course they could've used the key and not activated it on their account, but so far all rerolls I had to do because the winners didn't mark as received the keys were still working for the new winners. IF they were to do that, obviously the only way is to blacklist and go on, but I wouldn't giveaway any game were a "loss" of the key would bother me on a public no level giveaway, since there'd be a good chance of a bot winning it anyway. My "free" giveaways are for keys that don't have a big value for me, since I keep my good keys for trains or groups and my very good for my stream :P
an account that has unactivated / multiple wins within the last month or unactivated / multiple wins for which they haven't been punished is not in good standing
I'm sorry if that was misunderstandable: in a good standing = currently not suspended or banned.
I totally understand why people use SG Tools for Rulechecking, I do that too for giveaways with a higher "value" for me.
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I'm sorry if that was misunderstandable
Don't worry I get where you're coming from ;) I've become kind of a hardliner when it comes to SG. If the rules warrant a reroll I usually will. But of course it's always up to the GA creator if they want to check up on their winner and if they wanna take action if they find something (there were cases where I decided to deliver games anyway eventhough the winner had recent infractions if they had a reasonable explanation)
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"you dont check your winners for rule breaking on sgtools"
What in the world does SGTools even say about people?
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too many leeches/bots. Just about every level 0 giveaway I create, when I see the winner I get disappointed.
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Racist. Im a russian, now Im a leecher or what? O.o
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Well, Russians aren't race, so it wasn't racist, but it was indeed rude.
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Yeah, I saw it. Let's be honest, he deserved punishment.
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he'll be back moaning and creating threads about his suspension, will not be nice for the forums
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You're right, wonder how suspensions are useful If you keep being toxic.
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Maybe after few long suspensions they are getting permanent ban?
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Probably, Idk, This is something I would like to see on SG, the official sanctions. So far, It consist on the moderator judgement based on "something". How can you prevent sanctions when you don´t know when It´s the limit and the penalty? This is what this guy has been doing. It´s not the first time he provokes persons based on that nationality. Most of the time I try to just move along from these things but It´s being a constant with some people. But I know what is gonna be the answer since we have the "SG Police" trying to be judge and part, sticking their noses at everything. Not gonna be part of that, even If people here think that just by saying this I´m on that side.
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Well I have seen certain users escalate their misbehavior (by that, I mean that they serve a few days of suspension, then come back, continue to misbehave, get a longer suspension, come back, misbehave AGAIN and eventually get perma-banned. The SG Moderators are surprisingly generous with their allowance for bad behavior and number of times they will allow someone to correct that behavior. It's a testament to SG that I personally find fair and reasonable. We've all had periods of time in our lives when things aren't going well and perhaps taken that angst out on others but we still deserve a chance to be forgiven and to change. :-)
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Mhh looks like he got perma banned now. Do you know if he can still send keys etc. to winners? Otherwise I could save some points ;)
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Oh well, now I feel a bit bad for the little piggy. In no way I was trying to put some pressure on that matter. All I was saying is transparency works better.
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not perma-ban, but permanent suspension. With suspension user stil can send unsuspend tickets and there's a chanse to come back to site. Perma-ban - i know only one banned user
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okay didn't know there was a difference. Thanks for the explanation :)
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Indeed, I don't like having to do that just because of some comments, but when we try to give multiple chances to someone and they obviously don't give a shit, can't really do anything else about it.
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He's still german. He's just messing with you guys ;)
At least he was kicked from German GAs for having a too narrow definition of who counts as german.
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Yeah that's my point, the little fascist has been banned from groups for declaring that he will only gift to "ze germanz".
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I was kicked from the group because I wanted to delete my thread and he didnt let me. -.- Stop shittalking if you dont know what happened O.o
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I'm talking about one group in particular and trust me I know what happened ;)
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Didnt looks like because that wasnt the ban reason. That what you mean was the crying leader who crying about becasue I wanted just german friends not him.
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I think you mean this here because I unfriend him and he kicked me:
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Yep, all part of the same problem, staypuft. You disobeyed a direct group rule and at the time the owner decided you weren't worthy.Rather cut-and-fucking-dry to me.
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Wow. It's sooo hilarious that you actually got suspended for 4 weeks for this comment. People really need to learn to pay attention who's talking.
Damn... what a shitshow this site has become :D
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You are correct. (Apparently one of the higher ranking support members changed it after I commented.)
I will not comment on this further.
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Not sure what you find hilarious about this, maybe you wouldn't if you knew his past history and blatant unwillingness to change his behaviour.
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Sorry, had to grab Homefront first before I could respond.
I'm aware of multiple troll threads a while ago but I assume that's not what you're referring to ?
Just to clarify: Would it have been less racist if he listed 9 other countries beside russia ?
Edit: It just seems weird considering a certain user starting with N who has constantly been a toxic influence whenever they are around hasn't been permanently banned after telling Mully to kill herself....
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Would it have been less racist if he listed 9 other countries beside russia ?
I guess ? Or he could have just said leechers without attaching any nationality to it, the point is that when you keep posting attacks on the same nationality/race/whatever else out of the blue, you can't seriously expect we'll keep stacking 2 days suspensions forever.
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Well, yeah... He's a Pot Stirrer. Apparently that's ok for ambidot, Mully and va3victis but not for Silly...
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DBS is a troll. I don't consider the actions of the others mentioned as trollish even if I question the maturity of some of what they do on here.
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Except their posts are actually entertaining, whereas you're just blatantly calling people out. And this isn't the first time you've done this either.. double standards much?
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The way I look at it you can only call people out when there has been a rule broken. Creating controversy for their own entertainment is not against the rules and so it's ok for me to imply that they like to stir the pot.
It's pretty much the same as if you would say I like Cowboy Bebop. It's not technically a fact (as far as you know) but it's a very likely assumption.
Also just out of curiosity: Are you referring to Gaben Group or that one guy with the Hitler / SS profile or did I forget about somebody?
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Actually, I think I was confusing you with someone else that had called for Mully and possibly ambidot to be banned previously, my bad. And you're right, if it's not a bannable offense it's not "calling out" as per steamgifts rules, but still calling out nonetheless. I would differentiate them from someone like Silly, whose pot-stirring is more malicious rather than lighthearted.
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I think I was confusing you with someone else that had called for Mully and possibly ambidot to be banned
Yeah, I can confirn there has been a mix-up then. Mully was on my WL for years and I actually find ambidots rants rather amusing. While he might be lacking some communication skills and likes to curse a lot there's usually some truth in them.
The only people I openly advocated to be banned were that Hitler / SS guy and that Texan who suggested to Mully she should kill herself.
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Maybe because Sundance thinks dbs isn't the only person who should have gotten banned. Just a theory.
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Well, yes and no. I think many users who are still here should have been permanently banned for their actions but I don't think this comment on it's own constitutes a reason to ban someone, not even a short suspension.
I wonder if it would be conceived as less racist had he added 9 other countries to the list beside russia.
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Much too many extreme leechers/bots/exploiters/people that don't have basic manners (and know no thanks as example).
So the minimum is lvl 2+ by "open for all" to avoid at least a big part of them and hold the stress/reroll level a bit lower
[under level 2 i had 90% "bad" people, at lvl 2+ 40%, with sgtools and a 0.5 ratio ... no problem anymore... so the first choice should be sgtools]
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I don't care about it at all. All my giveaways were always open to all levels and will always be even when I'll have money to give better games away
Generosity + imposing rules = bullshit
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Because gifting someone who has won hundreds of gifts, played none of them and sent nothing is kinda discouraging, especially when a lot of your money went into that giveaway. But it's not like those problems stop at low level users. If you don't care about who gets the game, any level should be fine for that (though as others have said there are a lot of bots are at level 0), but if you want the game to be played you might as well opt out to a group where games have to be played or use SGTools to allow people to enter the giveaway if it's on their wishlist. In the end it only matters what the giveaway creator wants from their giveaway, any giveaway in existence has always served a purpose whether it be advertisement, clicks or just entertainment. Here people want to be generous, but how many people want to be generous towards a leech?
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There are high level gifters who also act like blackholes for the giveaways, to be never played. That's not really good either
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I would love to create all my simple giveaways at level 0. But sometimes is very discouraging. I really admire people that give really cool games at that level not caring about the auto join scripts. It would be amazing If CG could give some stats about how the limited points controlled auto joiners.
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Since I choose at least lvl 2 for my GAs (with some exeptions) I had just to ask one time for a reroll. That spares some time of the moderators and they can concentrate on the important tickets.
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Wow, I didn't know there was so much to this, I had never even heard of sgtools. Is there another thread that gives a rundown of these issues? (other than this thread)
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I usually just set it to lv 2-3 on bad bundle games, which is sort of a sweet spot where I get enough entries and least bots and people with 2 games given away lol
which reminds me that I should stop being lazy and make giveaways for the games I bought long time ago lol
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as you can see in the statistics the majority of steamgifts users are people who never gave anything away. its for preventing people to win if they never gave anything in the first place. the higher your level the more giveaways you made or giveaways with high value. you are rewarding them. also it helps preventing any problems.
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Actually its not that hard to answer the question for yourself, so i guess it was criticism against user who use that feature?!
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That's why I decided to make puzzles rather than regular public giveaways.
If someone is willing to put some time and mental effort just to get a mere chance of winning a game, in my book they're fully deserving of the prize.
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for me i just do it to give back the people who gave before
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I'm just curious because I never understood or knew why.
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