Am I alone in this?
most rapists are hetero sexual men! we need a world without them! by accepting male people in our neighboorhood our children might believe men are ok O.o
why nobody thinks of the children?
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Sadly men are needed for stuff like opening jars and bringing groceries from shops.
So we can't get rid of them!
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These silicone trivets are great at opening jars, as are leather gloves. And if you take fewer bags at once, it will take more trips, but be overall easier. You're welcome! ;)
Thought I haven't yet solved the heavy things up high problem where a step-stool just invites danger. And making friends with female basketball players or tall Nigerian women isn't really a functional solution. Hmm, maybe you're right, for now.
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Please dont promote Jar openers, they are unnatural and i don't like it one bit.
God made man to open those Jars for you
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I don't see why people have a hatred for these kinds of people. They are just like you and I, but with different proclivities. Yes, some look and act differently than you do, but that's one thing that separates them from the sheep in the flock. When I used to sell shoes, I dealt with a few LGBT people. And I have to say that they are some of the nicest people I have ever met. All they want to do is live their lives as only they know how to. But all they get is persecution, hatred and bigotry from the rest of the world.
And it's mainly because we, as a species, fear what we don't understand. What did we do to people that healed others with herbs a couple of hundred years ago? Burned them at the stake and called them witches. Why did Hitler kill all those Jews in WWII? He feared them. Why, in the Judaic bible, did the Pharoes enslave the Jews? Fear.
History is littered with persecution, hatred, bigotry and killings because of fear of others.
So I say, just leave these people alone. They aren't hurting you. They don't want to cause trouble. Leave well enough alone and mayb,e JUST MAYBE, you too can learn to understand them.
Or maybe not. OP sounds like a bigot in any case.
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First of all i think the whole pride day or month or parade is the most stupid thing i have ever heard. Whats the point of being proud for your sex preferances? I am straight but i am not proud for it, its just my sex preferance. I am really proud for myself and the people i love but why i should be proud for what i do in my private life? Its really stupid in my opinion.
Furthermore i dont care at all if someone is gay as long as they arent provocative (excuse me if thats the wrong word, my english arent the best). Being gay or straight or anything is fine but please dont act as a retard in the public. As i dont want to see a straight couple having "sex" on public( i dont speak about kisses, hugs or normal stuff ) the same way i dont want to see a gay couple acting like that. Keep your private life you know...private and everyone (mostly) will be happy.
PS: Stop acting as a vegan that needs to tell everyone about how awesome veganism is and that you also should be one. Stick to your prefernaces and i stick to mine that way everyone is happy and does whatever he wants happily.
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The issue I have with:
Keep your private life you know...private and everyone (mostly) will be happy.
is, that I have never, not once, seen that applied to heterosexual people / couples. Straight couples are having pretty much clothed sex on the bus... no one says anything, points fingers or such. But when I just kissed my then-girlfriend, we were lucky to only get verbally harassed and threatend with violence. Had we been two men, I fear we would have been attacked... like some friends of mine were.
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Yes i know thats mostly the case eventhough i have seen a lot of straight couples getting accused of acting in an inappropriate way in public. I should have wrote that thats my opinion and not the case for many people. Its my opinion and i think thats the best thats why i stick with it but not everyone thinks the same way. The best that i can advise you is to not care for what other people think for you and your relationships as long as you act in a normal way that i am sure you do. If someone tries to attack you dont even think about it, defend yourself. Thats what i do for a really long time as i got fed up with most people and their bullshit. Nowadays everyone think that he/she is the best human being in the world and owns everyone else.
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If someone tries to attack you dont even think about it, defend yourself.
Igel shouldn't ever have to defend herself over her sexuality. No one should. It should be as accepted as heterosexuality is, and the LGBT movement is trying to make that happen.
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Did i ever said that she has to defend herself? There are many people that act as apes even these days, you and me and she can be attacked anytime for x or y reason. People get attacked for having money or for their political beliefs or for being more clever than the people that are attacking them or for anything else? People get attacked everyday for every stupid reason that you can thing of so do you really believe that gay people wont get attacked? Nobody should get attacked but unfortunately thats not the case at at all.The best thing that you can do is learn how to defend yourself as no matter how much the societies grow up, attacks will always be a case that you should keep in your mind.
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Of course I'm aware people get attacked for a variety of reasons, and there's no way to stop all of it, but we're talking about Igel possibly being attacked solely for her sexual preference.
Rather than tell someone "be prepared to defend yourself!", perhaps we should instead focus our efforts on trying to end discrimination of any sort against LGBT people.
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Yeah, this is also another thing that really buggers me. Apparently, public display of affection is totally fine as long as you're not gay.
Because you know, "we won't watch faggots in public doing faggot things. Except, dude, when two hot chicks are doing it. Then it's not faggot" (actual quote).
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The issue I have with:"Keep your private life you know...private and everyone (mostly) will be happy," is, that I have never, not once, seen that applied to heterosexual people / couples.
I used to be applied to heterosexual couples. (It still is, in some places.) Public displays of affection continue to become more and more common in some countries, however.
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Yes actually thats true and i have seen a lot of cases which were unacceptable in my eyes. Come on guys go home or at least somewhere more private to do whatever you like.
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You're also not beaten, abused or killed for your sexual preferences, you're not discriminated against for your sexual preferences, and you're not legislated against for your sexual preferences.
This cause exists to give these people a voice in the world, to scream "hey we're just like you and we deserve to be treated the same as everyone else!" because not everyone in every country does treat them the same, as is clearly evidenced in the OP here.
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I live in a country that couples got attacked or killed not so many years ago because people and their families werent okay with their relationships but i never saw or read about pride days or anything like that. Time has passed and people grew up in order to understand that its so stupid hunting people for reasons like these. I am pretty sure thats the case and people will get used to it as time passes.
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As a straight male, it may be difficult for you to understand. You're like a polar bear who's lived in the Arctic his whole life. To a polar bear, the Arctic is normal, it's home. It's hard to imagine that others may find the Arctic cold, let alone harsh, and oppressive. To a lot of queer folk, regular society is often harsh and oppressive.
Your comparison to veganism may be part of the confusion. Veganism is a choice, where sexuality isn't. That annoying vegan may be pushing you to convert, but queer folks aren't trying to convert anyone - because you can't, it's just how you're born. Queer folk just want to live their lives just like you, free from prejudice, hostility, and persecution. They get annoyed by the annoying vegan preacher just as much as you do.
The pride month / parade, or really any month / parade, is about giving a marginalized community a voice. It lets people say, "Hey, we're here, we exist, we're part of your community. We want to live happily just like you do. Please keep in mind that we're here too." It's a necessary public display to raise awareness of the community, of their struggles, so that people will know about them and will hopefully not legislate against them.
You say that you're proud of yourself and the people you love, and that's great! And this is the same exact thing. It's people saying, "Hey, we're proud of ourselves and the people we love, of who we are." They're not proud because they're queer, they're proud of themselves and they're queer - which ideally shouldn't need to be said, but it does in a society that often tells them that they should to be ashamed of who they are. They make a public display for themselves, and for all the people who can't - because in some countries homosexuality is illegal, and people can be arrested just for being themselves, and for people who can't be proud openly they can be vicariously proud through the march.
As a thought exercise, imagine that you're hanging out with your friends, and one of them makes a joke about you - about who you are, not anything you've done, but who you are as a person - and everyone else laughs. Imagine walking around, minding your own business, and being confronted by a group of thugs who don't like the way you look and threaten to beat you up. Imagine a law is passed stating that from now on you can only use the Women's bathroom. Imagine that you could be arrested and jailed for hugging or kissing a woman in public. Imagine that someone made a forum thread about how you were unclean, a rapist, a pedophile, and a threat to children. How would that make you feel?
Now imagine encountering that on a nearly daily basis. If you had to live, day in and day out, in the face of all that hostility, wouldn't you want an opportunity to say to the world, "Hey, I'm still here. Despite all the crap that's been thrown at me, I've survived, I'm still here. I'm a person just like everyone else, and I'm a really decent guy if you just take the time to get to know me."
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I was about to argue some of your points but nah screw it, you said everything in such a way that i was amazed while i am not even again gay people. Bravo.
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No, unfortunately you are very much not alone in this: there are whole sick homophobic cultures in this sick world (including your country and mine - although to a much smaller extent in case of Russia), and even in considerably less ugly cultures there are many people like you.
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First of all, I'd like to point out how wrong you are saying "think of the children" and stuff like that. Being gay is not contagious, unless you are doing it in an archaic meaning of the word and laughing it up with your buddies who, in return, start laughing even louder because your laughter is catchy. Children don't "catch" gay, since it is not a disease; it is in people's DNA.
As a heterosexual dude, I've been hit on by men multiple times. Does it flatter me, you ask? Yes, yes it does. Does it make me gay? No, not at all. Did they rape me, have I had a hard time fending them off, did I have to punch them? Again, nope, not at all.
And this all happens in a country where points of view similar to yours strive greatly.
However, what's most ridiculous in your views is I respect the freedom other people have, after which you follow up with "how it should be and how I would make it work (or not)"
So, no, I don't have a problem with gay people, same as I don't have a problem with black people, Asians, Native Americans, all shades and all colors, for I see them as human, albeit I do tend to find amusement and interest in their culture, heritage, personality... What I do have a problem with is religious loons, zealots, fanatics, nationalistic narrow-minded people (including those hiding behind patriotic pretenses) and alike.
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Personally I don't give a damn about it, which probably reflects the facts that I'm:
- more asexual than heterosexual (never tried anything LGBT related although sometimes they include asexuality and other things into LGBT but really I feel like everyone else, yeah I've always had girlfriends and it's great being with them but I don't like sex and sexual activities in general xD)
- agnostic, liberal and most of all libertarian ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism )
So I basically don't care, I'm happy to live in a free society and I hope that Europe will keep on progressing through a libertarian, free and federal way. So, if they (with "they" I'm referring to anyone who feels into the LGBT scheme, since as I said often the acronym is way enlargened encompassing other "categories" like asexuals like me too!) feel it right and want to demonstrate or do whatever they want, as long as it's legal and approved by the authorities, i'm perfectly fine.
I won't participate simply because I don't personally care, but I'm an European citizen and I vote whenever I can trying to express my opinion in every context. My concern is about Europe and my country, region, town and province - most of all Europe, being deeply Europeist - in order that they must guarantee the highest level of freedom to anyone and the highest level of progress and welfare to the society.
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It is not or better should not from interest what people do "in there bed"
I they have the same gender in there beds or the other, i they like it rough or soft... or whatever else is there cup of tea.
The only thing that have to interest others is that all is done with free will.
I had always Bi or lesbs/gays/transgender people around me. Sometimes more, sometimes lesser. Sometimes at work, sometimes friends, sometimes only people i know a bit.
I never seen/feel that they do more that is against the law then any other people do.
You find everywhere black sheeps
I don't like to see males kissing but that is MY, little, (optical) problem. They can do it and i can look at anything else for this few seconds as example on the 2 females that kissing :-DDDD giggling. Nobody is harmed from that and all are happy.
Let anyone live how they want as long as they are not hurting anyone.
And i don't trust the pederast/rapist sentences you wrote without any prove. Normaly such talking is only started because of FEAR from people that are DIFFERENT it is not from interest in which way different, it is enough to be different then the mass This FEAR is so old as the human history (and the results are always the same).
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just this week a new sex-abuse scandal has been revealed. U can ask anu iraniam or do a little search. it's all messed up in here. it's not like two men like each other. what happens here is a hungry for sex man looking for boys, girls, and women to rape. but boys are easeir to catch. because they don't expect it! I believe it's unnatural to be gay, but that is my opinion. I just wanted to say in Iran the things are different.
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When this man is so sex hungry and looks for a victim -not only from the same gender- then he is not gay.
He is a rapist and a asshole, thats all.
Maybe a bigger thing because of the fact that it give not so much gay ones that "show up/are visible" in your country and now is the spotlight on that people that do "wrong things" (i think the most in the iran will think so).
It give gay animals. How you explain that ?
And yes the complete field is a difficult one. From my view to difficult for a forum as at sg.
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By the way, I really love Iran. In my view it's one of the most beautiful countries in the world. My girlfriend's 1/4 Iranian, their family had to flee Iran due to the famine of 1917-1919 (yeah, not after the coups of 1953 and 1979 but way before xD) and they settled in Sicily. I wish every time I can all the best to such a beautiful country living some harsh decades, I hope to visit it again as soon as possible!
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actually Iran is a good place to visit, but not a good place to live. we have serious economical and cultural issues here. all my colleges want to immigrate including me.
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Yeah, there are lots of Internet problems/censorship too the last time I was there (and I visited only the North, my girlfriend's Iranian part of the family is from Rasht but I visited also Tehran and Qom.. and missed everything else, including Shiraz, Esfahan,Mashhad..)..
I really wish the best on you and your country, I know that Iranian diaspora has been a big issue for decades and for such a beautiful country it's really a pity, I sincerely hope everything will get better slowly!!
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I thought it was gonna be a "what do U think about the Pride".... and Prejudice thread in which I was gonna reply I like that a lot hmm
have a good bump anyways
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"it's good to mention in other places, like western countries, gay people aren't considered a threat for others, but in Iran, they are most likely rapists or pederast. "
So...um... you have some statistics that could back this up? 'cause this sentence makes zero sense.
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find someone from Qom and ask him. it's not official. 22 years of living in a religious town proved me that! men and boys are gay here because they can't find women! they are not even just gay. they are rapist usually. the neweet shocking news here is about a sex-abuse in a school. the guy forced the boys to do terrible things.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.voanews.com/amp/4415749.html&ved=2ahUKEwi7neWav7rbAhULxaYKHSTyC6MQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw1A126sH0NJH13yjvk2Vd33&cf=1
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So, no stats, I guess.
"because they can't find women!" so...um doesn't that mean that they are straight, since they were looking for women?
But you have to see the contradiction in your quoted sentence. Gay people aren't considered a threat in the west, but in Iran if you are gay, you are automatically a rapist?
This isn't how sexuality works...
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I think that what WarlordMSM says has some truth to it. Far as I know, single sex schools tend to have more homosexuality in them, simply because teenagers tend to want to experiment with sex, and when only same sex partners are available, they try that. As I understand it, homo-hetero isn't black and white, that is, many people are 'bi' to some extent, it's just that they heavily lean towards one of the extremes. If their preference isn't available, they'd default to what is (or, to take the other way, what is socially acceptable; i.e., a person could be gay yet have relationships with the opposite sex).
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men and boys are gay here because they can't find women!
Hint: if they're looking for women, they're not gay.
(edit: really not something I ever thought I'd have to explain to someone ...)
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I'm shocked and I don't have words for this post. At least no friendly ones...
and when I read "men and boys are gay here because they can't find women!"... wow. just wow.
please: EDUCATE YOURSELF!
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dude I live in here. that's it! the way U wonder about it is just proving how terrible the situation is in here.
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Don't you think the censor might the cause of pedophilia. If they had porn, they would leave the kids alone...
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actually in Qom which is the most religious city in Iran, the things are worst. so kinda U R right. they almost only have access to kids in here
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Both pederasts and lack of porn are caused by religion, just look at the Vatican.
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I dont think that was a gay person you met as a child, but thats none of my business.Just hope you can find some peace of mind in sharing that encounter with us, as painful as it might have been. Stay strong.
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It gets annoying after a while that some people keep posting topics during pride month that how overdone it is and how offensive etc it is.
Visibility month wouldn't be a visibility month if it wouldn't be in focus, I guess. Otherwise what I think about it: good for whoever included and involved and I hope they have a nice June.
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I have no problem with LGBT, but that's not a matter for pride any more than being hetero is a matter for pride. I have a gay friend who feels the same. In general I dislike when 'proud' is being used as a synonym for 'not ashamed', and don't like 'in your face' stuff. Be what you want, don't try to rub it in.
I initially posted that gays are definitely not mostly rapist, and I still think that's true, but after a bit of thought I realised that being gay in a place which is against it can lead to bad practices. Catholic priests are a good example, and I think that most religions will have gay people in authority who use that authority to rape and to hide the fact that they did. Normal people who are gay would just go for secret consensual sex.
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In general I dislike when 'proud' is being used as a synonym for 'not ashamed', and don't like 'in your face' stuff.
I think you got that backwards - disliking when used as "not ashamed"
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I'm not sure what you mean. You said I got it backwards then repeated what I said, far as I can understand. Can you explain?
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I'm not really sure why I repeated it, I think to make it a bit shorter... should have done that in the quote part :|
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Well, to explain, I think that 'proud' is often used to mean 'not ashamed'. For example, 'I'm not ashamed to be gay'. That's a reasonable response to society telling you that it's wrong and saying or implying that you should feel ashamed. People then express that notion as 'I'm proud to be gay', which is IMO a wrong way to phrase it, because pride implies things that 'not ashamed' doesn't. It's not a completely unreasonable turn of phrase, but because has more meanings, it's not a good one to use.
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The idea is when people become LGBT (self-conscious social beings) they will quit being rapists/intruders (suppressed instinctive being).
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I'm completely fine with anyone having any sexual orientation. Homosexual people are actually great IMO because they help, to some extent (thanks MAP...), to fight overpopulation. If I had to argue with a religious person who'd claim homosexuality is some kind of sin, I'd say maybe it was actually created by God as a solution to overpopulation and thus we should embrace it 🙃🙃
That being said, I agree those "pride" things are ridiculous. Not specifically for LGBT, just in general. "Gay pride", "black pride", "white pride" (somehow those ones are generally despised, go figure...), "whatever pride": there's a big difference between accepting who you are and bragging about it like an imbecile as if it was some kind of an accomplishment. Being born isn't an accomplishment, if anyone deserved credit for that, that would be just your parents.
It's sad how society pushes people to overact happiness. "You're gay? Wow, it's fantastic, brag about it!" "You're handicapped? Wow, awesome you're so brave, brag about it!" Whatever happened to "Learn to be secretly happy within your heart"?
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Where is the lazy unsocial nerd gamer pride parade? Oh right, everyone just watched the stream so nobody showed up.
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While i agree that sometimes awarness events might get overboard, the original intent is to reminder people that we (or they) exist and that you should not be afraid or ashamed of being yourself. That said, i despise when people take this philosophy way too far, like displaying overly flamboyant parades that serve no purposes other than reinforcing stereotypes, playing the "flashy and girly homosexuals" card. This results in people having that kind of "i didn't expect it from you, you don't seem the type" attidude, like what? Because i'm not behaving like a girl, so i must be obviously heterosexual?
(And i'm not gay, just to be clear)
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In an ideal world, there would not be any need for such marches and months. But ours is not an ideal world.
Such parades / months serve to give a marginalized community a voice, to let them say, "Hey, we exist, we're part of your community. We want to live happily just like you do. Please keep us in mind, and don't take away our opportunities to be happy." That's necessary because it's all too easy for people to ignore, forget, and dismiss marginalized communities, if not outright legislate against them.
If you've never had to get around in a wheel chair, you've probably never even noticed if all the places you frequent have a wheel chair accessible entrance or not. So if you are in a wheel chair, and you recognize how inhospitable the world around you is, you have to make a big, loud statement saying, "Hey, I exist. I want to live my life just like you do. So please make wheel chair accessible entrances mandatory, and set minimum widths in supermarkets, because I'd really like to be able to go to my dentist and buy groceries." You have to make a loud, public statement because the politicians that make the laws that govern your life wouldn't give it a second thought otherwise.
I'm assuming you're a straight man. So, as a thought exercise, imagine that you're hanging out with your friends, and one of them makes a joke about you - about who you are, not anything you've done, but who you are as a person - and everyone else laughs. Imagine walking around, minding your own business, and being confronted by a group of thugs who don't like the way you look and threaten to beat you up. Imagine a law is passed stating that from now on you can only use the Women's bathroom. Imagine that you could be arrested and jailed for hugging or kissing a woman in public. Imagine that someone made a forum thread about how you were unclean, a rapist, a pedophile, and a threat to children. How would that make you feel?
Now imagine encountering that on a nearly daily basis. If you had to live, day in and day out, in the face of all that hostility, wouldn't you want an opportunity to say to the world, "Hey, I'm still here. Despite all the crap that's been thrown at me, I've survived, I'm still here. I'm a person just like everyone else, and I'm a really decent guy if you just take the time to get to know me."
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I'm kinda surprised still 33% agrees with this guy. That's a lot.
What year are you people living in? Or what shithole country are you living in?
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Boo!!!
Shame!!!
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