Could you link the RPS article (link provided by IncoherentLight post #2) in the OP?
Considering all owners had NO intention to even help sort the issue with the rights that NightDive tried to solve, I hate it when people cry about piracy....and maybe reading this article helps them understand what a shitshow the rightsholders have been done.^^
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Rock, Paper, Shotgun article that links to the site.
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Works for me but it just took 3 minutes to find the seeds for some reason.
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While that would be nice for completionists, keep in mind that Contract Jack is a bland, barebones generic FPS that removes all the gameplay elements and most of the comedy that made the first 2 games special.
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The Nolf games are way better indeed and Contract Jack has it's issues but it was a fun and fast game for me. I have them all 3 on retail hard copy and I still like playing them.
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yeap, but still i don't want to download it from some random guy (ΰ² _ΰ² )
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/7ff7ug/no_one_lives_forever_forgotten_gems/
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Just a quick reminder of Rule 5 - no linking to pirated content
Anyone who posts links to pirated content will be banned.
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So if I am reading this right, they don't actually have the rights to distribute the games, but because nobody seems to know who has the rights, they have decided to release the games anyway? Which essentially means you are pirating the game, even though no one knows who actually owns the rights.
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Abandonware is just a term people use to make themselves feel better about their pirating.
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They will be better if/when they re-release this game.
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Night Dive Studios doesn't own it. They tried to buy the rights and that's when we found out the legal shit show this game is stuck in. Anyone that might own it isn't willing to spend the time to make sure, and some even said they wouldn't sell it if they did own it even though they are not interested in selling it.
But then Night Diveβs trademark application was made complicated when Warner Bros, despite refusing to claim ownership of the game, applied to extend their expired trademark of the name. Sigh. Night Dive reportedly tried to understand why, made repeated attempts to negotiate, but Warner showed no interest at all in even trying to make a deal, no matter how sweet Night Dive made it.
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The end result being, no one knows who owns NOLF, but no one involved is willing to relinquish their potential rights for the sake of seeing a game theyβve no interest whatsoever in selling being available to buy.
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http://www.abandonwarering.com/?Page=FAQ
B. Why abandonware is technically software piracy.
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Technically - yes. But that's a special case, which don't have (yet) specific law regulations. Problem is - some people believe there should be such regulations, because by spirit of it - it is not piracy, even if it is by current laws. That's a flaw of law. And, even despite it may seem illegal, if it's truly abandonware - then there is noone who can sue you. So, in this specific case there is no penalty for violating law (and that's one of the reasons why it should be handled separately)
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That's not the point I'm making. Just because it's seemingly abandoned doesn't make it legal.
And in this case Warner are claiming ownership, or least partially. If you actually read the RPS article it notes that after Night Dive filed their trademark application Warner blocked them by filing to extend their previously expired trademark.
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And piracy is just a term to make people feel bad about copying files.
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From the RPS article:
The end result being, no one knows who owns NOLF, but no one involved is willing to relinquish their potential rights for the sake of seeing a game theyβve no interest whatsoever in selling being available to buy.
So now either the game stays up for free and no one takes it down, or we quickly find out who takes responsibility and someone can finally buy the rights to republish the game and hopefully make sequels.
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Is it just me, or was calling it "piracy" a huge mistake by whoever coined the term? Setting aside the relative coolness of piracy in fiction, you open yourself up to all sorts of problems with the analogy, such as maritime salvage law.
Salvaging a vessel and its cargo encouraged, as it can prevent a hazard to navigation and keep it from falling into the hands of pirates ("funding terrorism" as we say today - cargo can be sold and a merchant vessel can act as a Trojan horse, a concept that's not lost on Internet villains). The salvor is then entitled to compensation for the effort and for potentially putting himself at risk. Obviously, this does not well into intellectual property, but borrowing the term holds the door open for all sorts of baggage.
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Thanks for the heads up! Loved these games when ,they released and can't wait to play them again!
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Is it pirating if no one will claim ownership of the game, and anyone that may have the rights is not interested in checking or relinquishing their potential rights to it because they have no interest in selling it? It's pretty much abandonware.
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look up DMCA and DMCA take down notice, basically now copyright never expires but it has to be invoked if there is someone with the right to invoke it; i'd sympathize more with artists if at some point the rights would go to the public domain but with big media lobbying i don't think that will ever happen again.
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Or "it's OK to pirate this because there is literally no other way to get your hands on a copy right now.".
Because of the weird legal limbo the games are in, as jimnms alluded to.
To elaborate on that mess:
These 3 corporations potentially have rights to the franchise:
And all 3 are a bunch of fools, because none of them want to claim their possible rights to the franchise, nor disclaim ownership so someone else can do that more easily.
At the very least Fox should just bow out, as their claim would be the weakest without actual proof/paperwork (which apparently they lost track of). This is software, and they got out of the software business when they sold off that division to Vivendi.
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Edit: Beaten by Nanabanana
Yes it is copyright infringement.
Though considering how none of the involved rightsholder had any interest in getting the problem sorted out to get the game released again (which Night Dive tried to do)..who should care that this technically is copyright infringement?
The owner of the product doesn't want to benefit from it, but also keep the world from seeing it again (though not out of any other reason than "I don't care about the game." and don't even want to look which parts of it I own - if any")
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Also, this is not new. This has been available for months and no one has yet sent a take down notice, so it's pretty clear the potential rights holders don't care. I had hoped this would force one or all of them to figure out the legal limbo this game is in because Night Dive Studio has the source code and wanted to update and re-release them, but they couldn't get the rights to do so.
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No-CD cracks aren't necessarily illegal. Many old nineties and early-noughties games that later got added to GOG and Steam use No-CD cracks, and they're licensed and legal.
That being said, the RPS article makes it perfectly clear that this is not a legal distribution.
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Hmm... they are legal when their distribution is approved and authorized by the rights owners. But I'd say almost all such cracks were born illegal. What's more interesting is copyright ownership on the actual crack portion of the code - if cracking itself is not illegal but distribution is, the crack code is copyrighted itself and the rights owners of the game are not necessarily entitled to distributing it.
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bah if its not on steam no thanks , I'm already overloaded with games , 20+ games backlog...
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If you wantn them on disc just go out and buy a physical copy anyway.
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Read the article please, this game is legitimately free, legally obtained (for now): https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/07/05/no-one-will-sell-no-one-lives-forever-so-lets-download-it/
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