Guild Wars has a good setup: you pay x for the core game, expansions are extra, but there's no subscription fee. There are Cash Shop Items, but those are for pay2win players.
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Guild Wars doesn't have a pay2win shop. It's a pay2lookgood shop.
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Don't see the big deal.
FF14 users had to do this too? And TOR(lolTor) did too Shit, WoW players have to buy the expansions as well. :p
It is semi-common.
Also LOL at xbone users. they also have to have XBL gold to play it.
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There are people who don't have xbox live? Dayum!
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Many people outside the U.S doesn't care about xbox live.
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FFXIV is cheaper and has no microtransactions. Honestly, no microtransactions is something that is incredibly refreshing in a game, having trudged through way too many F2P entry barriers to honestly say that microtransactions don't matter.
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I played the FF14 beta and it was great, But I don't do Monthly subscriptions for anything so sadly I couldn't play it after the beta had ended :P
and yeah lol Xbox/Xbox one users have to pay for XBL every month too, But of course Playstation 4 users will have to pay $50 a year but only 1 account on the Ps4 needs to have it and Psn gives out new free games every month :P
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It's confirmed you do NOT need PSN+ to play Elder Scrolls Online, unlike Xbone..
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Oh right,some MMO's and F2P games on Playstation 4 don't require PS+ which is awesome ^^, Still it has some great deals. Sucks for xbone players :P which isn't me
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Yeah I played the beta, it was alright. TES never really interested me, and I found skyrim to be boring as fuck. TESO was just the same. The 8 trillion lootable containers was also annoying for an mmo. Voice acting was alright, but for an mmo that's just wasted money, just like sw:tor.
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I'd be willing to pay 60$ and 15$ every month after that if the updates were worth while. GW2 was fun while it lasted but it didn't last long and would of gladly paid 15$ a month if they had better content to add. Fractals was nice while it lasted and WvW got repetitive as well with bug fixes taking ages to come along. The GW2 staff was too small.
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you forgot to add the imperial perks gaining a special class imperial for imperial edition and other stuff
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You should be aware that the NDA is still in effect; thus no one can legally describe the gameplay, or even state that they were in the beta all at...
...that said, I would strongly advise anyone not to preorder things as a general rule, especially when there are NDAs preventing reviewers from telling you how bad or good a game is.
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Although I like it theoretically gives a chance for the current combat to change, I don't like they used it, they're a well known company that should hold its standards, if it knows reviews will be bad, then they put up NDA, if they don't, they wouldn't. They knew this game wasn't gonna be as good as people hoped. And it probably won't change.
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The reason they do it is so that, if the game does change in significant ways, there aren't a million and one 'reviews' of the game floating around on Youtube confusing people what the actual state of the game is, when it actually does launch. Also whining about bugs, server downtime, not getting into beta, etc... which is reasonable.
However, I would agree it's pretty damn unethical to be asking for money in any form, especially for pre-order bonuses, without being honest about what you have. It might as well be a Kickstarter at this point, because it's nothing but promises from Zenimax with no guarantee of their ability to deliver. They're basically just hoping people will buy it based on the name alone.
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Are people really surprised by this? Seriously, this is exactly what I expected as it is fairly standard for MMOs. Whether or not it'll go Free to Play, Pay to Win Microtransaction style is debatable (though this lil piglet suspects it will eventually).
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A few years ago it was fairly standard, but let's look at the other MMOs released in the last two years at cost:
It's not a big list. Without commenting on the quality of the games, the vast majority of MMOs are F2P these days with various payment options. Even WoW lets you try the game for free before they ask for your money.
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Knowing the average level of human intelligence and the fact that the game has "Elder Scrolls" in it's title, Bethesda's greedy approach will, inevitably, succeed. Even if the game is the worst thing to ever happen (if it's not, then good for them, but I'm too pessimistic to consider the possibility of an MMO not being shit) and instantly gets attacked by every reviewer in the world, there will still be truckloads of people who will stick to it for at least a few months and give Bethesda money.
It's a shame, really- with Skyrim they showed that a game doesn't need to be multiplayer oriented or even have any multiplayer at all to succeed... and what do they do? They make a strictly multiplayer game, with the goal to make EVEN MORE money. That's the problem with the industry- not even the successful are happy what what they're getting.
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Welcome to owing money to producers who then want even more money to impress their stockholders
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TESO has been in production since before Skyrim was even announced. So, yeah, there's that brand of nonsense disproved.
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and microtransactions too. fuck this lol ymicrotransactions in an mmo kill everything balancewise and/or nickle and dime you for tons of random shit that for $60 and then $15 a month damn well should have been included in your initial purchase. its one thing if its free to play, but paying $75 off the bat with monthy billing...
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source of their existance is the op
source of microtransactions being terrible is general experience. I've rarely seen it done well, almost never never without being cosmetic(usually otherwise it is or becomes a broken pay2win system and with it costing this much to get the game running already I'm not going to deal with that shit) and even then its often done poorly(it may feel like customization options were delibrately stripped from the game so they could be microtransactions)
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Subscriptions and microtransactions? This is exactly how you shouldn't do a MMO.
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Since when do they have microtransactions? I have not played since lich king so I wouldn't know.
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Watchu talkin bout?! Lol I don't remember any during wrath of the lich king. Either way it makes your customers feel used. First they have to buy all of the expansions, then they have to pay a monthly fee, then if you want these specific items you have to pay money for them too. I feel like they would have done better with a real money auction house.
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Okay that makes more sense. If they added things that gave people an advantage I am sure the community would cry for blood.
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Ahh sorry I haven't played since Wotlk and such. I actually dont even remember mounts being sold back then (I do remember seeing a celestial horse but thats after I quit).
EDIT: I didn't think of name changes/race changes and such, I'm only thinking in game items.
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"We'll have a shop to buy kind of fun stuff, and services too, like name changes and things like that. But it's not part of the core game,"
Server transfer, name change, race change, pets, mounts are services/items provided for money in WoW. And according to that quote, it will be something very similar in ESO.
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I have to admit I was too lazy to find anything like that :P Doesn't sound like anything damning. I just assumed they were going to throw in buyable weapons and armor and stuff.
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No offense, but that seems to be the problem of majority of people here in this thread - assuming. So many raging posts about micro-transactions (calling it p2w) without even knowing what it means. They just see "micro-transactions" and go "omfg, p2w sh*t" (YT comments are full of reactions like this)
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None taken I just blatantly didn't do any research :P
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"Will you buy it at this price?"
Fuck that, I'm buying the £90 physical CE. So shiny...
Edit: LOLing at all the people who can't afford to not eat lunch out for one day a month in this thread, especially at the Americans who get the game for half the price of the UK. Meanwhile, someone who doesn't even earn minimum wage will find a way to get the physical CE, possibly buy another and definitely pay for two subscriptions at once.
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I know. Shame on me for being able to buy things. Shame, shame, shame.
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For me, TESO is worth it. Nice try, though, but you don't get to say what other people should or should not enjoy.
Also, your analogy is crap. Shiny stones go for thousands for a small handful. A box of them is a hell of a bargain.
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My shiny stones could be diamonds, or it could be a handful of gravel I spray-painted. Unfortunately, my product is under NDA, so you won't get to see the reviews of it until after you've pre-ordered. You'd better be happy with whatever you get.
I'm not going to tell you how to spend your money. If you enjoy it, by all means. I think this thread is evidence that some people expect more for their money, though. Just because you think something isn't worth the asking price, doesn't mean you can't afford it.
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"my product is under NDA, so you won't get to see the reviews of it until after you've pre-ordered"
I already know all I need to know about it to preorder it.
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If you find somewhere to eat that only costs you $1 for a decent meal, you need to share that secret with the rest of the class.
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Completely irrelevant. I specifically mentioned eating out somewhere in both of my posts, not shopping for food.
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..UUUCK!
This looks like just about the only MMO I was interested in why do they have to be so friggin greedy?
MMOs should either have a one time purchase fee like guild wars, or have a subscription base fee, why both?
Will you buy it at this price? I don't think I will simply because this WoW payment module is pissing me off.
Anyone played the beta? Does it actually resemble skyrim and such gameplay wise?
source
They'll try to milk you with microtransactions too - source
TL;DR - Elder Scrolls Online will cost $60 to buy, plus $15 every month and will have microtransactions aswell.
Plus this whole 'Imperial edition' day one race DLC bullcrap, guh!
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