Grrrr I told people as soon as I read the thread but since I'm such a numpty, I forgot to press the button to add it to the cart. And because of that, now I can't see the game in the Game Wallet. Way to go :((
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Finaly Got mine Thanks for the head up :p glad that add to wallet from the begining
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yea, its only available for people that have the game already in their wallet...
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I had game in my wallet but it was unavailable until few moments ago I finaly got my key.
Just a heads up for people that have game in wallet
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It just gave me a duplicated key. Anyone else had this problem?
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You're the first poster with that issue in this thread. I'd say "no".
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omg! I did add it back then, and now I got a working key! thank you very much mate!
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key just revoked (yeah they are free to revoke, but i think it's never a super advertising to revoke and i won't rebuy)
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Same here, like wtf? Since they added keys manually, and to now revoke them?
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Me too, and fair enough - it was a mistake.
Assuming you got the cards, you still profited.
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I'm going to throw a temper tantrum and threaten to sue them if mine gets revoked. ;_;
I may even make a thread about it!
Not revoked yet, but whatever. It was definitely a mistake to get it for free.
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Offcourse it was free by mistake, all fair and game and it would be just that, but devs / IGS or whatever had to clear some new keys manually, that made it seemed like okay we made a mistake but we are nice, you still get keys, then to revoke them, that's far from nice.
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Devs these days :)
Anyway, did keys get added in batches to the restock?
I still have mine, probably just a matter of time before that is revoked aswell.
Also couldn't enter for it at Orlygift the other day because guess what.. I already own the game :O
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If i remember correctly, they were batches (thus someone gave the okay several times) this clearly seems like some sort of greedy (future bundle) thingie or whatever rather then just it being a mistake like the claim with their reply posted further below here.
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Time will tell how soon and if it turns up bundled, which is most likely.
Thanks for answering because im still confused about mine not being revoked, guess they haven't reached my batch yet ;)
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Maybe IGS didn't realize before they looked at monthly statements :D:
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IGS and Alawar both knew right when it happened. I don't know how the Orlygift thing plays into this though.
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In November
IGS: Wow, we sure sold a lot of copies of Beholder last month... had to restock the keys to many times!
December comes along, monthly statement comes in
IGS: Oh shit!
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Was planing to play it too, but didn't had time to play it right now. I guess i'll wait for bundle with this game or sale then.
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I think bundling is the devs plan here, bet it won't take long before it shows up in a bundle after the revokes now :)
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- A lot of people are unlikely to pay full price for game thet were available to get via price-bug/glitch before.
- Devs already sold keys to orlygift for their GiveAway, if they intended to keep game full pruiced and not bundled they would rather not want to participate with said game in massive giveaway ;p
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what bundle I cannot say, but my bet is it will get bundled pretty soon ;)
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Maybe Drunk wizards but in my opinion that theory didn't made sense then and it still makes no sense now.
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I just don't see why the person would do it since this was a misstake from the begining and few contributed from it before the dev himself thought it was a good idea to retroactive add new keys to Indiegamestand for people who redemeed it to the wallet, they could just let it slip and avoid handing out keys... I don't think they were forced too, just felt like a nice move from the dev.. But later on switch his mind fully after the game gets some expossure from Orlygift raffle.. I just speculate, im good at that. :D
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I think the devs were agaisnt giving keys to indiegamestand, it might have been publisher's idea. Since the steam sale is coming soon, they might have decided that revoking would give better sales.
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if we wanna speculate - maybe they waited till all ppl from IGS idle they cards, then revoked so most of them don't get to play it and hopefully buy game in future, while at the same time they got their profit from card sales cut? ;p
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But people don't rebuy games revoked from their account... Or i don't know in fact, maybe they do. :o)
However i won't. Not just by hostility vs the dev. But because there are always so many other games to buy before rebuy a revoked game.
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Yeah they do because it's frustrating to loose something from your collection or having a game you play or did finish revoked... :)
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why wouldn't they (as long as game intrests them). There can be two cases - you get a game you're not intrested in and want oit only for cards or you gerta game that intrests you. In first case you wouln't buy the game anyway, this way you at least farmed cards and dev profits from cards sale, in 2nd case if you were intrested in the game in the first place why wouln't you be likelly to buy it in some bundle or on some sale in the future?
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3rd case here, i was interested by the game and tried it thanks to this giveaway.
But now no i won't rebuy because i already tried it and there are many other games i want to buy, not the money to buy all so logically, the games i didn't try yet are prioritary over a revoked game already tried. :p
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so your point being? you tried and you ended up not intrested in it, so with or without the revoke they wouldn't profit from you anyway besides cards, while they can still profit more from ppl who are still intrested and/or did not try it yet like you did.
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i ended up interested but i just have other priority, re-buy a revoked game already tried is not a priority in my eyes, even if the game is good.
However it's just my point of view. If other people want to rebuy, it's not my problem. They have their reasons and i've mine.
(i precise my answer is not agressive, no need to be agressive i'm not)
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So in short you tried it and it's not that interesting that you really want to continue
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Yeah, i think game was interesting but not enough to rebuy it while there are plenty other games to buy and not enough time to play all.
More clearly, i plan to buy other games. Why would i spend money to rebuy a game i already tried ? And i didn't yet finish even some masterpieces of this year. So this one even good is indeed not a priority in my eyes.
But it's just my opinion, if you liked the game and want to replay it for hours and hours you're of course right to to rebuy it for you.
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Yeah, I know that feeling - it's nice and stuff, but what about THE OTHERS they may be even better :3
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Well, we didn't pay for it. And the game looks quite nice, so why not re'buy' it. :)
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I would, simply because it's a nice game. And revoked or not, it was free - I lost literally nothing by it, so absolutely no reason to be upset :)
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Hhahah now that's a good one aswell, because I actually had plans to play the damn game.. So the bait sort of worked, I mean im gonna have my eyes on it -__- fml!
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yeah same here - idled it but as it looked intresting I DLed it and planned to try it, didn't get to ;p So will prolly look out for a bundle with it ;p
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Yeah indeed, but with dem backlogs we should not be in a rush for it!
Wonder if it gets removed from the free list on SG now hehehe, who am I fooling :D
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I wanna speculate, too!
Perhaps this is the first step in an alien invasion. They hacked into IG and planted the keys without consent of the devs, knowing we'd all be confused and posting on SG when they were revoked. During the oncoming chaos and distraction, they're working on hacking our Steam accounts to give them direct access to Valve servers so they can DDOS them and confuse all 7 million users.
With phase one complete, they'll begin hacking into our personal information and bank accounts, shutting off our power and water to weaken the population before the final invasion of ground troops and air support in phase 3. ;_;
We're all doomed.
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Weird, I was able to enter for it on Orlygift, but didn't because I knew I already owned it from IG. I even checked to make sure I owned it.
Was the first time that's happened, though.
Oops - replied to the wrong comment, but at least it was the right person. /facepalm
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Same here. Found it odd that I could enter but still owned it.
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Oh it happend to me aswell later in the rounds, very wierd indeed... I had it happen once before, can't remember what game it was for that time. :/
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Did your comment on the board got deleted or did you do it (assuming it was yours)?
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i removed it, i found the dev's answer to another user in a sticky thread so my question was useless to ask after that.
i just let a polite comment to tell them i won't rebuy because i don't like when devs say "oh revoked, oh now you've to buy" sort of thing, as if it was an obligation to rebuy because they revoked. It's not. They are free to revoke. And i'm free to not rebuy.
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well, at least got cards from it ;) like others - revoked now, month after purchase and multiple restocks ;p
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Solved!
the beholder team sent me a new key.
thank you SG for the info and beholder team for sending me a new key.
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Ok, so dev is a greedy shit - not buying his games anymore.
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Ok, so dev is a greedy shit
You got it for free. It's not the dev who's greedy :D
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Wut? The dev gave free keys for promotion. Then he thinks it was wrong and revokes. Not greedy? Lul.
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Greedy? Normal dev.. why should he need giveaway his game for free? Yeah its bit potato revoke them then, but what u can do?
Free section was mistake... it doest meant like freebie
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Yeah, so somebody fucked up and they make users to deal with it, lol.
But maybe not so greedy - they promise to replace all revoked keys, so it seems they just wanted to do damage to that store reputation or smth.
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Sometimes reading can be really helpful. It was a pricebug by IndieGameStand, not a promotion.
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It's not greedy no, and wow.. You blacklisted me for +1'ing another person's comment. Really? :P
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Why not? Seems like that hurt, so it's worth it. :p
And just in case: it was not only for that +1. I've read your other comments and disliked the way you commnicate. Just that. Things like this, when you just don't like someone, happen all the time in life, so just deal with it. ;)
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It's amusing, and I'm just astonished that's all. :) And if you cannot handle people laughing at a joke, then you are the one having an issue.
And other comments as in this thread? As far as I see I only wrote: "Well, we didn't pay for it. And the game looks quite nice, so why not re'buy' it. :)" and "Lol, the website is not a scam. :p"
Not sure what's so horrible by that, but well if you get offended that easy I'm sorry? And yes, for sure. We cannot like everyone.
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Why horrible or offended? You really don't need that to dislike someone. That just happens. Like you see a person for the first time in your life and can't bear being around him/her for some unobvious reason. Life is complicted. :)
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Be careful with laughing! You might get blacklisted! x)
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I'm the last person to give a shit about blacklists.
Makes it real easy to speak my mind. ;)
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Fair enough^^ I just find it hilarious that he blacklisted me for +1'ing Adam's comment. xP
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I'll just assume he did me, too, and have another cup of coffee.
No skin off my ass. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.
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Since you work for every bundle site, why no IG Monday today?
Make the phone calls, put out the alarms.
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Lol, I don't work for them xD They work for me ( อกยฐ อส อกยฐ) J/k But no clue.. :| I was surprised too.. sigh F5'ing for nothing.
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Because you never actually bought from them (if that's the case). So your statement is incorrect.
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It's as correct as it may be. It's devs first game on Steam, so I couldn't have bought anything from him before. Anyway, if you want to play grammar nazi here, better go do something usefull. Like more crying about being blacklisted. :)
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What does that have to do with being a grammar Nazi? And you asked a question and I just answered.
Also it's weird that you find the developer greedy when you are the one acting greedy. When it was an error on IGS' side, and they did honour it by proving the keys. Even let us have the game for a month to try it out. But hey, they had reason to revoke them, but if you actually do write an email to them you will receive an replacement key. So no need to whine anymore. You can get your game back! ;p
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Hey, let's be consistent here.
1) Question was adressed to other user - maybe he meant something different than you. And if you don't try too hard to be a smartass - my 1st message was correct and not ridiculous in any way. :p
2) I didn't whine anywhere - I posted 1 message about the fact of revoking game and dev and some answers to other's comments. All of these were posted before I knew they will replace a revoked key. That was a commendable decision. But I still believe that they fucked up big and dragged all others into their conflict with IGS for no reason. Yes, the hype they created gave them some attention, but I've seen a lot of angry comments, so their reputation suffered a lot more I guess.
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1) Sure, but I felt like answering it for him. And no, he was right that your first message was ridiculous since you cannot say
"Ok, so dev is a greedy shit - not buying his games anymore"
...when you in fact never bought his game. IF you actually paid something, then I could understand your comment. But since that's not the case, yeeah..
2) You did, but ok. :p And sure, but even if they wouldn't replace the revoked keys, it's not a reason to call them greedy and what not. I'm not saying that it was cool that they revoked the keys, but no reason to call them greedy. Makes no sense.
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1) So, yes, you want to be a grammar nazi, which makes any further dialog pointless. Good luck to you on your hard but meaningless way. :D
2) It's so nice to force your baseless opinion on other's. :D It's you, who make no sense. If they revoked those keys without replacing - it would be exactly the definition of greedy.
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Well, I wasn't the first one to point it out. Everyone that replied to you isn't agreeing with you. But hey, we are all wrong and the bad guys it seems.. :^)
How can it be greedy if they didn't get anything in return? You literally had a game you could play & enjoy for a whole month, you got free cards. ALL for FREE. You are the one that's greedy since you got something for free which you (and others & me included) shouldn't have, it gets taken away, and you are whining and want it back like you are entitled to it as if you actually paid for it.
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"Everyone"... A huge word for just 3 people. In this thread alone there are many people who voice opinions similar to mine. And there also many people on forums and elsewhere. And anyway - majority isn't always right. I don't really get what are you trying to prove here, but stop trying so hard.
And stop mixing the facts. When I wrote about them being greedy, I meant that they revoked keys to make at least some special people like you buy game and get profits. Technically, I didn't receive this game as a free giveaway - I made an order and bought it with 100% discount. And I'm more than sure that by Terms of service or other such things this is not how it should have been handled. A customer mustn't suffer because of dispute between seller and dev - that's a common sense.
And it's funny and sad at the same time, that there are people like you, who for unclear reasons eagerly accept any mistreatment forced onto them, but can't stop butthurting over being blacklisted by some random dude on SG.
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The reason is simple: somebody here denies my right for a different opinion and tries very hard to make me accept her point of view. I'm just a little bored so I play along for lulz atm.
And the moment to "step back and reflect" for that person happened long ago, but it seems butthurt about being blacklisted was too stronk to notice. ยฏ \ (ใ) / ยฏ
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revoked as well. At least I was able to farm it PROFITZ!! and play it for some hours. It was indeed an interesting game.
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was surprised they actually restocked in the first place anyway :P
I wonder what will happen to the people who created GAs with their free keys lol
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Too bad for guys who traded/sold their copies :D buyer will want their payments/games back from them, hehe :D
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Title should be changed to "REVOKED ATM" when you got time OP! :)
Thanks!!
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Awww :( I even started it, and it was a really decent game. But who cares, was free, I didn't lose anything. At least I know that it's a nice game and if it will be in a bundle, I'll try to get it :)
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Wtf, my Beholder just got revoked. This website is a scam. -_-
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Unless we're talking about Steamgifts, of course.
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But the developer said that their giveaway was not official. So makes me wonder how did they acquire the keys. ๐
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IndieGameStand ran out of keys multiple times and kept getting new keys from the devs/publisher when they ran out.
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I have a #scamtheory. They had an infidel inside game developers group who was secretly giving away keys and got busted now. ๐
Well, I sent them email, just like they asked for it, and if it was all official they'll probably give a new key, if not, well, I still got 4000 other games to acquire before I need to buy this one. ๐
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same here (เธ อ ยฐ อส อกยฐ)เธ
i wonder how many ppl got their revoked keys from trade section and g2a :ะ
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they decided to take the risk and buy from G2A which is well known to be grey market and involved in shady sales in the past - they still buy from it? They have only themselves to blame if something goes wrong.
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Alawar is selling their games in G2A as "official developer": https://www.g2a.com/marketplace/auctions/index/userid/93d259066084dead4bfdb0173886150e
It's funny they are selling Beholder for 10โฌ in Steam Store and only for 3.99 in G2A.
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I was talking about customers who decided to buy Beholder keys from G2A after IGS glitch, but this is even better! :D:
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Maybe they're pissed off because other big key resellers from the marketplace are selling their keys for even lower price :D
And they are revoking all keys except the ones sold by them directly.
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Rofl someone in the forum tell they had this key revoked, bought a new one.. Dunno if from Steam store tho or another place were key might have been a "misstake" one, revoked aswell. :o
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Beholder tactics: Give away keys -> Get positive reviews -> Revoke keys. ๐๐ค
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not really I think - first of all, key reviews no longer count towards Steam Review Score, also anyone who wrote positive review can change it even now with game revoked to negative one. But no matter if it will be positive or negative - it still won't count towards score ;)
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Ooh true. Maybe this is the new way of getting us buying the game. First you get it for free, you play it, you get addicted, then they revoke it so you have to buy it. ๐ต
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Edit: Oh, I forgot about the trading cards. They make quite a nice profit from them. Give away 50.000 copies, that's 3 card per copy, if everyone idles for them and sells/buys them on Steam market: 50.000 x 3 x 0.01 = 1500โฌ. Good amount of money to go on a vacation. Then revoke the game, cards still stay at the users, and some of the users who like collecting +1 games, will of course buy it from Steam. So win-win situation for them. ๐
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wouldn't be the first time - Digital Homicide whole business model was to make shovelware games noone would buy, but make a lot of them (they were putting like 2, sometimes 3 new "games" per month), then they were making like 100k copies GAs for all of their games, ppl idled cards, sold them and each card was 1-2 cents profit for them, but with hundreds of thousands of cards being sold it became significant money considering how cheap these games were to make :D:
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Funniest thing is the developer thought his games were actually gold. ๐๐ Whole business was a big joke, he tried suing Steam users for giving his shitty games bad reviews, and got all of his games deleted from Steam instead. Good guy Valve. Turns out he was 30 or 40, married man whose day job was creating these games.
Best part was when he tried suing that Youtube- guy for reviewing some game, which he bashed down for good. He even made a Fund Me- event just to get enough money for a lawyer to sue the guy. Never got even close to the amount of money needed for it, so his excuse was something like "I realized chasing down kids for being assholes was a bad idea."
The whole Digital Homicide thing... Just a big pile of ๐ฉ . Beholder, on the other hand, looks nice, and actually is worthy of 10$.
Edit: I believe it started when someone put a bag of shit in his post box with a notice of how bad his games were. After that he started the process to sue the Steam users who had left bad reviews for his games. ๐
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He even made a Fund Me- event just to get enough money for a lawyer to sue the guy. Never got even close to the amount of money needed for it.
Actually it was a little more evil and funnier than that :D People started making many, many tiny donations of let's say 1 cent so the fees would cost more than the donations. Pretty much the same thing why Valve had to implement minimum prices for games because people were buying 10 cent games using credit card.
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Oooh, that's a smart move. It would be even more epic if he went to court and lost the case and ruined his whole life just because some peeps bashed his games. ๐ I mean, the developers should listen to their clients and learn from their comments, not comment back as "You are wrong, this game is superb." because in the end you will end up from being game developer to cleaning toilets in 7/11. ๐
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A game dev studio and a publisher can't both go on vacation for 1500โฌ. This isn't a single person operation.
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For 1500โฌ you can go on a vacation with 50 people. ๐ You will just need to organize a lot of cheap stuff to make it happen, but you still can.
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No longer works for new users, it works only if you were previously able to get the game into wallet but wasn't able to grab the key because igs was out of stock
https://indiegamestand.com/free-games/3467/beholder/
if it works for you, enjoy (Screens posted below for proof)
EDIT 1: Game moved from free section to Store https://indiegamestand.com/store/3467/beholder/
EDIT 2: If you added the game to wallet during this promo/bug (it was a mistake at igs end thanks to FateOfOne for investigating & pointing that out) but got out of stock error, keys are restocked and now you can get your steam key.
EDIT 3: Seems like many people got their keys when indiegamestand restocked keys but its out of stock again, so don't give up i will update the thread as soon as news of more stock update is available.
EDIT 4: Keys are restocked
EDIT 5 Out of stock again
EDIT 6 Looks like igs is getting keys in small batches but if you added beholder to your wallet dont give up, Keys are in stock atm.
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