What is the message they ask you to change? "thanks"?
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i write in 90% of gw
"Thanks hope to win it wthog ^_^"
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I agree with you and I will say it bluntly - people who don't like "thanks" messages can fuck off. You want to express your gratitude and if they can't respect that they can, I will say it again, fuck off.
Blacklist me right now if you're one of those people. Go ahead.
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If there was a "LIKE" button here I would be spamming the shit out of it right now. This is exactly how I feel. I shouldn't have to feel like I'm walking on eggshells every time I respond in a giveaway out of fear that the creator is an asshat who will blacklist me for expressing my gratitude. Sorry that my "thanks" doesn't mean as much as a "Thank you for your gracious contribution my Lord and may your days be bright and cheery and full of joy". Fuck them.
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well i more to get an understanding between both opinions...i dont want to be judged by my thanks but also dont want to judge those who dosent want them...
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I know some people will hate me (and probably blacklist me to oblivion for saying that) but if there is one thing that I always do when I enter a giveaway, it's leave a comment. And no, it's not always a generic "thank you". I try my best to talk about the game, the giveaway, or the topic of the discussion or description of the giveaway (if any).
The only exception to this is if the giveaway creator specified that they do not want any comments. Otherwise, I always assume that the person will appreciate the message, a thanks, or a contribution to the topic/discussion.
If you don't want comments on your giveaways, just say it. It's just plain silly to think that people can guess whether or not they should comment. You have a description on your giveaways for a reason - use it. You simply cannot expect people to do as you want if you do not say what you want in the first place.
And don't go to the next level of silly by blacklisting users for commenting or not commenting if you haven't warned them beforehand. That would be just plain dumb at this point. If you want to do this, don't forget to CLEARLY state that you will blacklist for commenting/not commenting. If whoever entered your giveaway(s) did not follow that "rule", blacklist away. If a person can't bother to read the description, they probably don't deserve to win the games you giveaway, if that's something you care about.
Remember, nobody earns anything by leaving comments on giveaways. Therefore, there is no real reason for a person to do it in the first place. It's all a matter of preference. I personally like to thanks whoever provides a nice giveaway to the Steamgifts giveaway, regardless of if I win it or not. Heck, I sometimes leave a comment on a giveaway I don't enter just to say how awesome the person is for doing this, or to talk about the current events in the group from which the giveaway is.
Of course, I don't enter that many giveaways, and never public ones, so it differs from person to person and how you use the website. If I were to enter giveaways daily, including public giveaways, I'd probably avoid commenting if I have nothing worthwhile to say.
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Why would people blacklist or hate you for saying these?
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If only there were more people on this site with the same attitude as you. There would be far less post from people whining about seeing the word "thanks" all of the time. I have two open giveaways right now and they specifically say "Please don't spam the comments or I will blacklist you". It's working well so far. No comments at all. Maybe I was a bit too strict in my wording? LMAO
You have been on my whitelist for a long time so no worries about being blacklisted by me for such a great comment.
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Remember, nobody earns anything by leaving comments on giveaways. Therefore, there is no real reason for a person to do it in the first place. It's all a matter of preference
respect :-)
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Well, in the end of your text, you said that the user was "offended" by the comment, but they're not. They have the right to say that they don't want your 'Thank you'. You literally have no right to complain about it.
I like people saying thank you IF they actually say something interesting, not the awful pictures with thank yous, jokes with "T.Hanks" or anything like that, since it's annoying and it fills up the notifications.
It's like someone having an open house and them telling somebody that they have to take their shoes off. They have the right to ask it and if you were decent enough, you'd just not comment on their GAs with generic 'Thanks' comments.
Again, mostly I have nothing against someone just thanking me, but if I've written in the desc. not to say thanks, then they are on the highway to Blacklist Town. Also, if I were to comment against someone saying thanks, I'd expect them to stop, since, again, the blacklist button works.
EDIT: I've gotten the same "Thanks" message on 3 GAs in a row. It's not them being grateful, it's not them actually thanking me. It's them being lazy butts and not being bothered enough to just shut their mouths. They just need to fill our notifications with spam.
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They have the right to say that they don't want your 'Thank you'. You literally have no right to complain about it.
first the user is not the giveaway creator.
if you were decent enough, you'd just not comment on their GAs with generic 'Thanks' comments.
exactly who dictates what is generic? you? me? some kind of a low i dont femiliar with? did you stop to think if that generic thanks is generic for the person who wrote it?:-)
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I checked the discussion and you didn't directly even mention that he didn't make the GA, but fair enough.
What dictates that it's generic? Well, it should be easy, right?
I'll quote Mullins here, who gave some examples:
- thanks for being ****ing awesome!!!
- thanks
- ty
- thanks hope your swag level gets over 9000
These are generic and annoying. Why, you might ask. The more special/"different" the comment is, the less you can use it. It has become generic. I'd say the best way of saying thanks, is actually saying something about the game.
Example:
"Thanks for the giveaway. I've been wishing for Shower With Your Dad Simulator for a while now."
From there you could see that you didn't just use muscle memory to write something that you do automatically now, not with actually thinking of it.
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thats a good point, but still it dosent mean that a simple repetitive thanks is generic, just that you perceive it as one :-)
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It's generic if you've been spotted doing it loads of times. This is Psychology 101. The more you do something, the more automatically you do it, which means you don't think about it as much, which leads to you caring less and less about the comment.
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again thats your interpretation of the event, for example i thank my mom for every meal she cooks, and bless here hands, with the same words for years, and the meaning is the same.
its your choice how to see it, generic or not, with meaning or not.
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this is a forum, don't compare real life events to it. the amount of emotions you can show here is limited to a reply with text, a few smilies and maybe a link to an image or youtube video.
so repeating thanks on each reply will make you look boring/annoying/uninteresting. some people won't care about this, a few will ignore you, and others will see you as a bot and blacklist you.
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don't compare real life events to it. the amount of emotions you can show here is limited to a reply with text, a few smilies and maybe a link to an image or youtube video.
that is exactly the point for not judging :-)
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Mullins is 100% right!
Again, I'm not too bothered about bots even, unless I've specifically asked them not to comment with 'T.Hanks'
But what I'm saying is, is that sure, while the random dude probably had no real reason to say that you're a bot, the creator of the GA might think that you're a bot if he finds the same exact comment on every single giveaway, posted at almost the same time.
And also, you saying thanks to your mom for the food is most likely a reaction. Unless you're either extremely deeply religious/spiritual and feel that saying 'Thanks' is the most holy thing (in which case, the Internet's dangerous for you, seeing all the crazies out there ;D) or you're now just saying it because you always had.
There was an experiment with dogs. Every time they heard the bell, they were fed. Later on, every time they heard the bell, they already were expecting the food. Same with apologizing. A lot of people say sorry for the most minor of things. Thanks to that, it's thought that they are overly apologetic, but in reality they just say it, because they used to always do it and now it's a habit. It's trained in.
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I've never blacklisted anyone for comments, but I've added people to my whitelist for them. If you are willing to write something unique and awesome related to the giveaway when you enter games, then it says a lot about you as a person. When someone posts the same thing, I automatically assume they enter 1000 giveaways a day and just don't care. So you aren't breaking any rules and I personally wouldn't blacklist you, but people will likely perceive you as a specific type of user. If that doesn't bother you, then just ignore them, but you made a thread so I assume it does.
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it is bothering me the way they chose to interpenetrate it and the way the chose to react to it.
it dosent bother me what they think of my saying in general as they entitled to it (you dont see me opening a thread for each blacklisted event...)
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I wish they made something above a whitelist.
The only time a Thank You will get you a blacklist from me, is if I do not get one after you have won and received a game from me. I don't think that's really asking too much though.
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Yeah that does bother me a lot. It might be the internet, I think the same customs we have "offline" should apply. If someone brings a gift to you, you don't just snatch it up and run away :P
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Depends on the gift honestly...this past weekend a friend brought up a bottle of Dark Lord and a bottle of Assassin for the beer festival we were at as a gift to me because they were on my cousin's bucket list of beers. I may have grabbed them and ran away from the group...lol
even a simple little "ty" left on the comments of the GA is enough for me and most I think.
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Yea, that ticks me off...I don't blacklist for it....but I find it extremely annoying...sadly that happens more often than not.
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What is a generic thank you? I have said thanks, thank you, and gracias and have been accused of being a bot. Now I don't say anything unless asked.
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If you don't type the same thing, then I wouldn't think you were bot. They could still consider those as "generic thank yous" because there is an script some people use that would actually filter those and hide them. If I put up 10 giveaways and somebody writes "gracias" in every single giveaway, I would assume it was a bot though.
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I actually varied between the three examples and seldom enter multiple giveaways in a short succession yet I was still accused once of being a bot/script user. And can't you just change the words in the script? It would seem like someone smart enough to use a script would be smart enough to write it so that it changes its output every few entries so it wouldn't be so obvious. I'm pretty sure that there are many scripts being used on this site that no one will ever notice. Bringing attention to them is just forcing them to be written better so it will become even harder to tell who is a real person and who is a bot.
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I guess, but you can write a script or bot to do scary complex things these days. Just look at some of the Diablo 3 bots right now that farm and run greater rifts. I know that has no real application to our conversation though. To me, it's just perception, so yes a more intelligent bot on SG would be less noticable. It's doesn't really matter though, because I don't blacklist or treat others any differently for botting or not. I'm just here to give away games :)
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Me too but it seems that some of the new features that were implemented with the site upgrade have taken away from that spirit of giving and is slowly turning this site into something different than what is desired.
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Many people here thinks that a generic thank you is a bot, mainly when it's always seen.
I hate being spammed with generic thank you, that's why I don't say thanks unless I win. I may let a comment when I feel like I should (answering a question or simply because it's a game I really want). BUT I'm letting people doing it, because I respect their choices. I've someone on my wishlist that is pasting the same comment, with the wrong gender in it. He knows that I'm a woman but I've never asked him to change his way. Besides, I enjoy to see my whitelist reacting, even with a thank you. It's probably the only generic thank you I'm enjoying.
I love when someone is trying to write a nice comment too. Or a funny image.
Besides, instead of saying thank you, you can say from time to time: "thank you for the game, it's in my wishlist" for example. Or "Nice, it's generous of you". You don't have to torture yourself to find a creative comment.
Oh and the way you reacted is perhaps too much. Judging how you reacted, you felt it as an attack. When reading the message, I feel like it's more a friendly advice than anything.
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I tend to thank when I when, or if it's a private Giveaway from someone I know...but my thanks are usually include something personal, like the name of the game, or the GA hosts name. Something to indicate it's not a bot or just some half thought out thanks that you toss around willy nilly.
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Well, I never think that people behind comments are bots, it's my naive side probably.
Thanking when I win is something I'm doing. Always. Steamchats, answering the mail and even on SG.
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It doesn't mean you are naive; you just aren't cynical.
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i'm cynical....and in general dislike people....present company excluded ^_^
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Yeah I've always been very cynical. I always read too much into what people say and do. I look for the worst in people, which I think is a good survival trait, but it's really a curse.
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i dont know.. a friendly advise from a stranger who didnt create the giveaway, and is anointed by my 1000 thanks of past giveaways...thats a big leap of faith...and still if so he could have chosen a more direct and private rote to state it like chat on steam?!
nonetheless the point is why to judge? why to think its generic? why to rip off the meaning of it and neglect it as trash?
you see where its headed?
you yourself say you like attention, yet you also treats most thanks as generic - why not to try seeing the person who wrote the thanks side? why to be eager to judge? may be all that person has to give is repetitive thanks...
im not saying you should be pleased with tsunami of thanks, just saying you should not judge them as trash.
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WHAT?
Wait a minute.....
1 - I hate attention. Really hate it. I only enjoy the generic comments from my whitelist because I like seeing their reactions.
2 - If you're implying that I judge people as trash, you're really mistaken. I've never said that. Read more my comment to see that I let people saying their generic thank you because I'm respecting their choice to do it - even if I hate the spam coming from that. And the comment I've made above show that I don't think they are bots at all.
3 - Apparently, you're mad because your thank you is taken as generic. Yeah, it's generic. Yeah, it's the same comment. Doesn't mean that while I find them generic, that I don't think it's coming from the heart.
4 - To clarify anything, I don't blacklist for that. I will never blacklist because you let a simple thank you. I respect your choice to use that generic polite formula.
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wow... :-)
that was as regard to what you said...
I love when someone is trying to write a nice comment too. Or a funny image
you also said this (thats a type of attention)
If you're implying that I judge people as trash
not the people - what they say...there words. the moment you made assumption that the thnk you they gave you is generic - you made a judgment.
Apparently, you're mad because your thank you is taken as generic. Yeah, it's generic. Yeah, it's the same comment. Doesn't mean that while I find them generic, that I don't think it's coming from the heart.
nope im actually not mad, im disappointed , im disappointed that people think that they have the right to take statements of others and reduce it to "generic" and "bot behavior" just because they get or read a lot of it - this aint right.
To clarify anything, I don't blacklist for that
didnt say you do :-)
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And so? I made a judgement that their words are generic - not the end of the world - because "thank you" is a generic polite formula. But I'll never judge these words as trash or rejecting them. If I was, any of my giveways would be full of "Don't thank me" or "Don't spam me, say something creative". There is a difference by thinking it's generic but accept that people are copy/pasting their words because it's easier like that but if they're doing it, it's because they're happy of your giveaway and thinking that it's generic, it's from a bot, it's a leecher (and that's not me thinking that).
Like I've said, I respect people saying a simple thank you, even if they're saying it 100 times or if I see it 100 times from different users.
I know that you never said that I blacklisted people for that but I felt like I was obligated to tell it, because I was feeling that you were thinking that I'm among those that can't accept thank you. I'm probably among the few that find some comments generic but still thinking that there is a happy human behind the words, even if it's copy/pasting.
Hope you don't mind my nuancing. I agree with you with the bot behavior.
In the end, the thank spam isn't preventing me to make giveaways.
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I think most people who don't like people thanking them is that it's down to spam not that they don't like people expressing gratitude.
When they put a bunch of giveaways up, suddenly thier inbox is filled with "thanks","thanks","thanks". Some people like it, some people don't mind and some people are fed up with it.
This repetitive behaviour is very much what people expect from bots & spammers and not from people with sincerity. Appearing like robots, repeating the same task over and over because they can or have to rather than because they want to. I'm not saying that's what it is, just what it looks like. After a while, some people will find it annoying, not offensive, annoying and it's not wrong for them to feel that way.
If someone requests that you don't comment I think you should respect their wishes when entering their giveaways, you still get to enter regardless. Just like if someone requests you bump their thread after a train/puzzle you should respect their wishes and do so.
Personally I'm in favour of giving them an alternative to saying "thanks". Posting gifs/pics etc.
Usually I ask a question and that has had some great responses in the past. ^_^
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but why to chose that type of judgment in the first place? why not just except the thanks?
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They're not judging you. Why do you assume they are?
Why should they have to accept a "thanks"? Why can't you respect their wishes?
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thats a tie there i should respect them, and they should respect me - you are right there...but there is a also a tie barker.
social behavior states that you should be thankful for things you receive, so thats actually tip the scales to those who bother to say thank you...which brings us back to why do they chose to judge?
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Nah man. You should respect them. They already know you're "thankful", they don't need you to tell them and they're already got the +1 for giving away something to random strangers when they didn't have to. :)
Going against their wishes just makes you the rude one. If you win, then you can tell them how grateful you are. ;)
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i didnt say any thing against doing something against there wish...i said about the approach :-)
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The person who messaged you was incredibly polite. I don't see anything wrong with the way they approached you, or are you talking about your approach to them which from the sounds of it seems to be spamming everyone and anyone with the same message.
You could have apologised and taken what they've said on board but you decided against it and will probably go against their request if anything you've said so far is an indication. Why you would rather annoy someone for the sake of it I will never understand, especially when that someone is a generous soul. There are better ways to get a persons attention and posting the same message as everyone else isn't it. ;)
You also talked about people blacklisting for thanks but I get the impression the person who messaged you didn't actually do that, they could of but instead they messaged you in a civil manner to request that you stop.
You kept saying they're "judging you" too, which they're not by the way, but you on the other hand, you totally are right now judging them. :) So good job on that one!
You also talk about them being offended but again, it's not them it's quite clearly it's you who is being offended. :) So good job on that one too!
You're getting let off so easy yet you make it sound like you're being forced into the "blacklist" when in reality you're putting yourself there (if at all) by ignoring the most simple of requests. It's not like they're asking you to jump through hoops on fire man, so why do you have to say "thanks".
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apologized for what? he aint the giveaway creator, nor did the creator stated what he prefers, so i need to apologize for something a third party person stated about that i have the same thank you over a lot giveaways?
You kept saying they're "judging you" too, which they're not by the way, but you on the other hand, you totally are right now judging them. :) So good job on that one!
actually they do, as if they decided something they had to make a judgment first (for better or worst).
You're getting let off so easy yet you make it sound like you're being forced into the "blacklist" when in reality you're putting yourself there (if at all) by ignoring the most simple of requests. It's not like they're asking you to jump through hoops on fire man, so why do you have to say "thanks".
i didnt got blacklisted from him i got to in the past for saying thanks, but thats not the point the point is the chosen behavior that led to this in general :-)
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Apologized for being uncreative and spamming of course! That's what his message was about.
If he wasn't a giveaway creator why didn't you state it, you're not a very clear person. :)
Alright, let's pretend for one moment that they are judging you (but they're totally not, preventative measures for spam does not mean judging). ;)
You agree that you're judging them still for not wanting to be spammed? :)
And that you're offended by people not wanting to be spammed? :)
So you have been blacklisted for saying "thanks", just not by the "very polite not-a-giveaway-creator" who sent the message. :O
Well isn't it up to the person who owns the blacklist what they do with it? :O Or are there rules now for that too? :O
Some people do it for far pettier reasons than for people who either are too lazy to read or too incompetent to follow simple instructions. :)
Beggars can't be choosers, dude. :) If someone wants to give something away then they have every right to choose how to do it and if one of them is that they don't want people to comment then what is the problem, respect them and move on with your life. ^_^
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you're not a very clear person. :)
sorry :/ i do my best...
reventative measures for spam does not mean judging
thinking your thanks is hollow is ;)
You agree that you're judging them still for not wanting to be spammed? :) And that you're offended by people not wanting to be spammed? :)
nope, i judge none of them, and want the same courtesy :-)
Well isn't it up to the person who owns the blacklist what they do with it
i dont mind been blacklisted, i just dont understand why would they - its not the same thing, and in a way its against the spirit of true gifting.
Beggars can't be choosers, dude.
why do you think about beggars, do you know who they are? or what they do? all of them sits on your door steps with there hand starches on? perhaps they gave 0$ here but they volunteer on hospital? or there own community? there are other ways to give, no?
respect them
the funny thing is, respect is mutual if you ask for it you should also give it - that is what i was thought :-)
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Spamming the same thing as everyone else is fairly "hollow".
Especially if the person requests you don't, like I said before, they know you're thankful, you don't have to say it and lets face it, there's an awful lot of people who say "thanks" without meaning it, do you want to be grouped with them? :)
And you're definitely judging people for supposedly "blacklisting" others for saying "thanks". You can't deny it. :O This whole thread is about that! You're not a liar too, are you? :O
Isn't it obvious? They're using blacklist feature like it's adblock. You don't want those pesky popups and they don't want bloated inbox from spam. :)
I have no idea what you're talking about right now and you seem to have tried to derail the subject on to actual beggars or more likely homeless people in general. I already explained what I meant by that well known phrase, perhaps you've never heard of "Beggars can't be choosers" in which case google is your friend.
Then you should be the better person. Respect them before they can respect you. :)
But that would imply that you were on equal grounds in the first place, you're the one wanting the game they're giving away so you should respect them regardless of whether or not they respect you.
If you don't like them for "not respecting you" when you haven't respected them in the first place, don't enter their giveaways. ^_^ There's a simple solution to everything! yay!
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Spamming the same thing as everyone else is fairly "hollow".
you think so not every one agree
there's an awful lot of people who say "thanks" without meaning it
how on earth do you know that (just let me know so i will be able to do that as well) its your assumption
You can't deny it. :O This whole thread is about that! You're not a liar too, are you? :O
saying something over and over wont make it right, i dont judge them and i dont want to be judged by them, live and let live, not so complected :-)
inbox from spam
sorry but thank you is not spam :)
perhaps you've never heard of
oh i know the phrase i just don see why you will use it, as not every person entering a giveaway is a beggar - and that what i said.
you're the one wanting the game they're giving away so you should respect them regardless of whether or not they respect you.
so you go that way? fine they are the ones who wants cv, they are the ones who want lvls and respect, they are the ones who want to feel they are needed, you see? turning things ugly works for 2 ways, so how about we leave it on the nice intention for the 2 parties involved? :-)
solution to everything! yay!
yes there is, and it called mutual respect and tolerance, and thats is what this post all about, yay! :-)
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Sure not everyone agrees but spam is merely repetition afterall, saying "thanks" in every giveaway is repetition and does flood the inbox. :)
If you say something because it's courtesy, do you always mean it or are you doing it because it's courtesy. :)
Then what is this thread about? :) Just having a good ol' whine because you can? ;)
I wasn't calling them beggars, I was using the idiom as an example <3 Don't take everything so literal. ^^ If I compared you to a leaf, doesn't mean you are one. ^^ Unless you want to be, then float on the wind and be free like a butterfly! :o
Nothing to do with CV. CV is meaningless <3
I'm talking about one giveaway at that point in time. If the description says "no thanks please", then just respect that there and then, enter and move on. ^_^
Yet you would still rather ignore, annoy and be disrespectful to someone giving away free games, then go whine about the fact you've been blacklisted and politely told to change things up a bit. Gotcha. ;)
Believe whatever you want man but what you've done is far from respecting another. ^_^
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spam is merely repetition afterall, saying "thanks" in every giveaway i
actually the definition of spam is:
1.send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet.
- irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients.
by entering to a giveaway option 1 is canceled
by intending of the words (thanks) which are directly connected to the act of giving - option 2 is canceled as well, saying thanks is not by any mean spam.
do you always mean it or are you doing it because it's courtesy
why there should be a deference? as if you dont believe it why would you do it in the first place? no one force you to, your question is irrelevant.
Just having a good ol' whine because you can
hope you have something better to say, this is just dont fit you (and smiley in the end wont make it any better) :-)
Don't take everything so literal
its a text based form, and you ask me not to take what you write siriusly - on a obviously Sirius subject for me...mmm interesting...
CV is meaningless
to who? to you? as every other day i read here post about it and about lvls calculation.
then just respect that there and then, enter and move on. ^_^
ohh right...so the whole point on clarifying the subject was for nothing? you are on a "theoretical mode"? if so then in theory, all should respect one another, be polite and say thanks - which is what im saying, so...whats your point?
Yet you would still rather ignore, annoy and be disrespectful to someone giving away free games, then go whine about the fact you've been blacklisted and politely told to change things up a bit. Gotcha. ;)
yeap thats me alright, whining disrespectful person who says thank you....for geting free games...wait are you sure you are not confusing me with you? ;)
Believe whatever you want man but what you've done is far from respecting another. ^_^
oh i do believe in what i want, i believe in god, and in a moral way to behave, apparently you dont...and apparently you still thinks that by saying something again and again it will stick :-)
but as long as you happy with your words thats end with ;) and :) who am i to say differently...
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And you sent "thank you" to maybe 16000 people according to your profile? That's a lot. Crazy amount all completely genuine thanks going straight to a lot of peoples inbox. :O
Super serious subject .... You're a funny person. :)
Do you really, and I mean really think about this, that going against someone is respecting them?
These people already decided to give away a game, that should be +1 to respect automatically, it's crazy that you appear not to think that way, tons of respect to those who giveaway things strangers.
They've already respected you enough to believe you will read and honour their wishes by not posting but you do it anyway because.. you think you're entitled to show affection??? That can't be right... surely?? :s
If you do something and they've already made it known it's unwanted... it is not respectful now. Is it? :O
And in the end is it really that hard to not post something? I always thought it was pretty easy but apparently it's so difficult these days to read. Whether or not they "disrespected" you, you definitely disrespected them. Sorry man, but that's just how it is. :(
P.S CV is meaningless to me, of course. Unless there is someone behind me? Spooky Halloween! :O
P.SS Don't bring Gods into this kind of stuff.
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And you sent "thank you" to maybe 16000 people according to your profile? That's a lot. Crazy amount all completely genuine thanks going straight to a lot of peoples inbox
why wont they be genuine? because you decide they dont? and i dont think im the crazy here..but ok :-)
Super serious subject .... You're a funny person
im a lot of things funny aint one of them, but your lack of respect to what is said clearly to you from others actually makes you funny..in a sad kindev of a way, but as long its good for you... :-)
Do you really, and I mean really think about this, that going against someone is respecting them?
i can ask the same question back to you, Do you really, and I mean really think about this, that going against someone gesture is respecting them?
it's crazy that you appear not to think that way
who says i dont respect them for gifting? one thing aint connected to the other.
you think you're entitled to show affection???
so they respect us by shutting us down? you do know thats arrogance do you? :-D
If you do something and they've already made it known it's unwanted
true.. so by your logic if a person create a giveaway that dosent fits and unwanted by me or others he is actually not respectful to us...as he didnt give what we want. :-)
And in the end is it really that hard to not post something? I always thought it was pretty easy but apparently it's so difficult these days to read. Whether or not they "disrespected" you, you definitely disrespected them.
again that works backwards as well, is it really that hard to appreciate a comment and not judge it? so hard to press "mark as read"? so hard to give the person in front of you the benefit of the doubt?
Sorry man, but that's just how it is. :(
that up to you, me and the rest to uphold, what we chose is what will be, saying something is "fixed" is just saying you want it like this to be.
P.S CV is meaningless to me, of course. Unless there is someone behind me? Spooky Halloween! :O
your not alone here...but its good its meaningless to you :-)
P.SS Don't bring Gods into this kind of stuff.
sorry i bring god every where i am :-)
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Even if they are genuine and sincere, when you say the same thing over and over it doesn't exact hold up. People who swear a lot are not as shocking as those who rarely do so. :) What's is so difficult about showing thanks after you've won and then actually playing the game (I mean actually play, not just leave running for cards, lol).
This isn't about whether I'm respecting you. It's about you right now, what they did and what I do doesn't matter if you can't do what you're claiming they don't.
No I don't. They already acknowledge some people will be thankful whether they say it or not, they're not dense and said you don't have to say it, forcing it on people isn't nice when they don't want it. Some people have humility, some people get embarrassed and some people hate compliments, why make them feel like shit for your benefit. :)
They're shutting you down? Are they the police now? xD It's not arrogance to not want people posting comments. Wow. xD
Not at all, where did you get that logic from. xD They made it clear they didn't want you commenting, you posting is not respectful. If you're not interested, what someone else does for other people who are interested is none of your business and what is not your business is neither disrespectful or respectful. xD
You can't force something on someone and tell them you're respecting them. xD
PS Seriously, you don't want to bring Gods into this shit. :) Religion is something you don't discuss. I can direct you to some people who love to debate it but you won't like it.
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Even if they are genuine and sincere, when you say the same thing over and over it doesn't exact hold up
to you, by your choice.
What's is so difficult about showing thanks after you've won
i dont know, i can ask you what is so difficult to give the person the benefit of the doubt?
This isn't about whether I'm respecting you. It's about you right now, what they did and what I do doesn't matter if you can't do what you're claiming they don't.
what? shifting points are we? its about how people chose to behave, not me nor you or fim but us as community :-)
forcing it on people isn't nice when they don't want it. Some people have humility, some people get embarrassed and some people hate compliments, why make them feel like shit for your benefit
again all those work for 2 ways, its all about how you chose to see the person in front of you, the person who say thanks , do so as he polite, he is humble enough to be thankful, he is also hate being unable to get the gift by his own, and he can be embarrassed as well for that, so why would you make him feel like shit by treating his words as s**t?
You can't force something on someone and tell them you're respecting them.
works both ways, any way all your points works both ways, the only difrence is how you chose to look at it and act by it, so if its ok by you we will call it as is, hope you dont act like this on your real life (not judging just hoping).
PS Seriously, you don't want to bring Gods into this shit. :) Religion is something you don't discuss. I can direct you to some people who love to debate it but you won't like it
no one asked you to discuss on religion, you chose to comment on it, so if you do not want religion comments, you should not say things as:
Don't bring Gods into this kind of stuff.
especially when all that was said was from a personal point of view, and as reflection of your path of comments.
if you do or dont want god in your life - thats your choice, same thing to me :-)
any way, unless you have something new to add (that dosent reflect to both sides)
lets call it.
have a nice day :-)
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No, in general, it really doesn't.
You don't know? Well at least you're honest. Why not give it a try instead, I'm willing to bet most people appreciate it a lot more when that happens. As for benefit of the doubt, about what exactly, whether or not you're a bot? Cause I thought we already established that bot-like behaviour and spamming doesn't actually mean you are a bot.
This has always been about how you want respect and don't want to be blacklisted for not reading/ignoring a persons request because you absolutely have to no matter what have to say "thanks". Communities work by finding out what someone else wants and in return doing them that favour. This was never about me, I haven't a care in the world if I'm blacklisted and I don't care who else gets blacklisted by who either.
So... you have crippling problems when you can't say "thanks"? That I do doubt. :s
Yes of course it works both ways, but the people you have a problem with aren't forcing you to do or not to do anything, they're requesting that you do one thing. You are choosing to go against them and their wishes, they warned you and then you have to deal with the repercussions.
Beliefs =/= religion, remember some people believe in aliens, ghosts, fairies, crocodiles in the sewers, etc.
You brought up Gods and religion, not me. And I never said anything about what my religion is or isn't so don't go assuming anything and I'm still not discussing where I stand on that matter. :)
But let's say for one moment we do delve a little in to religious philosophy.
From the singularity of the word God you're probably following one of the Abrahamic religions, so you most probably are familiar with the story of Adam and Eve.
If not, my apologies but this story is a fairly good example for your scenario either way.
God told them not to do something, not to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree but gave them choice to decide for themselves. They did end up disobeying God anyway and got kicked out of the Garden of Eden as punishment.
I know that's a very simplified version but there are a few parallels that relate to your story about how not following instructions and not taking heed of warnings gets you into trouble.
Can you understand what you're doing now and why you're getting blacklisted?
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Look i do not think MRLW is 100% right , but he is right on 2 points the first is the religion thing (you clearly triggered it so deal with it ) the second one is your points in all this (tiresome) discussion, all the thing you wrote do apply to you as well as to him so you actually have none?!
ps
you said its entertainments for you, you will have to forgive me, but taking that kind of level of discussion on a delicate subject to the person in front of you, does not reflect well on you.
and the fact you try to continue after he closed it (i have to say i would have done it way before him, apparently he is a patient man) also does not reflect well on you.
dont bother to answer, im not that patient.
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Triggered? ... You think they're triggered? That doesn't sound right. Triggering is used for discussion on traumatic events, I think that is unfair to say he's "triggered" by discussing his own religion, something they should feel proud about. :s
Besides I said not to go into that subject and he continued to do so, if anything it seemed like he wanted to talk about his religion and how God influences everything he does. So sorry if he's hurt by discussing his own religion but he should have taken heed of my warning which I gave the moment he said "God".
PS I was joking to Downward btw, I don't think he was serious either but I can't speak for them. There have been a lot of threads of this sort. :)
Just because he says "let call it" doesn't mean the discussion is over. I honestly don't care what you think of me, it's obvious you made you mind up before hand anyway. :)
You sent a message to me, expect a reply, you didn't have to get involved and I don't expect patience from you. As I you seem to be in close contact with MRLW, tell them to close the thread if his discussion is truly over.
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good one "detective" , haven't read so much mambo jumbo crap a long time, you do know he is also trade from time to time right? :-D
any way, as i said i dont have the patient, so go ahead keep talking yourself to %^$#
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Well, to be fair with a comment like "Thanks hope to win it wthog ^_^" I would assume it's either a bot or pasted too. Personally, I don't care if someone uses a bot on my giveaways. I don't blacklist for it. I have been known to blacklist when I put in the description not to comment or I'll blacklist. Not because they are bots, but because they aren't taking the time to read what could be other peoples rules or requests. I have also blacklisted people who are or seem like a bot and enter EVERY single giveaway I have open at the same time. Again, not because they are bots, but because they are obviously entering EVERY giveaway as opposed to just ones they actually want.
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Yeah that happens too, that sort of goes back to what I said about using a bot because they enter thousands of games a day. People will just perceive you a certain type of user. It's not so much the script or the bot as how and why it's being used.
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They CAN but I generally put up 5 or so at a time...and if the same person enters all 5 Boom Boom Boom while using a bot(Yanno, cause it actually takes time to type a thank you) for all 5 games....Then...yea, I am blacklisting them. Generally bot users auto enter any and all GAs and if it seems like that what they are doing...then I'm blacklisting them. :-)
I also blacklist people who are jerks on forums or are disrespectful to other GA hosts(Though generally don't Blacklist if someone is a jerk to me, personally, because everyone is entitled to their opinion)
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you do know you can open multiple tabs on a browser? and by that write few words pretty fast (especially if you know how blind type) and that would seem to you as a bot? :-)
all im saying is dont be fast to judge.
and personally i dont black a person for his opinions, only if they are offended (like violent or raciest)...actually to this day i only black listed those i found out that blacklisted me first.
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ROFL...At that point, you are making excuses. Nobody goes and looks through games...opens all the games they want in various tabs, then quickly speed types thank you messages into them. Nice try...but no dice....but EVEN if what you said was true...and someone, for SOME reason decided to do this, even though it offers no benefit whatsoever.....it doesn't matter....If someone doesn't like how you are doing something, or just for whatever reason doesnn't want you entering their giveaways....it's their prerogative to blacklist you. Again, I don't unless..Like I said...they are bots...or really weird people that tab the giveaways they are interested in and speed type thank you posts.
Personally, with your exact same post constantly saying thanks, and you trying to make excuses on some way that someone might be entering 5 or 6 giveaways for games that they really want, which are coincidentally being given by the same host..and they opening 5 or 6 tabs, and speed typing thanks in just a span of a few seconds....If I were to guess...I would say you are a bot user too...In fact, in my personal opinion, I would go so far as to say you are def a bot user...thing is, as long as you haven't broken my rules or been disrespectful to people....I don't really care.
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well actually i am... i search for the game i want and open them all, seance i dont have a fast internet they are opened on the background then move from tab to tab, and if i do it probably others as well. (dont know about the speed type, but how much time it takes to write 2-4 words?)
I would go so far as to say you are def a bot user.
well thats your choice, and im sorry you act like this :-)
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I'm not ACTING like anything....I'm thinking it...there's a difference.
As for doing that because you have slow internet...if that were the case, it would take time for the "Thank you" posts to come through as well....I'm sorry...but if your thank you posts are coming in one right after another...you are a bot..Like I said though...as long as you read descriptions, then I am fine..I just don't really care.
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f that were the case, it would take time for the "Thank you" posts to come through as well
actually it means they will all be sent approximately on the same time (like double post issue)..but what you understand and see fit is yours so...i wont argue :-)
if you wish make an experiment on this thread. open 5 tabs of it and write thank you on each.
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i've also never blacklisted someone for blacklisting me.......Only because I never found out I was blacklisted since I usually don't enter forum Giveaways...so anyone blacklisting me doesn't show up in the regular search/listing.....I'm sure I have been blacklisted! By prob quite a few people...I just don't know about them...I always assumed if you blacklisted someone, it blacklisted you from that person automatically? No?
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nope, they can enter your giveaways if they want :-)
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This is the reality of this forum. Whenever someone starts off a post with some variation of the words " I don't intend to start a war but ... ", It invariably turns into one. It's quite amusing to be honest.
Back on topic, I really don't care about what they write in the comments section of the giveaway. I do request people not to post "Thanks" messages, but that is because I kinda feel that I haven't done anything for the ones that don't win anything. Thus getting thanks from them makes me uncomfortable and awkward. But if they still post them (and quite a few do) I don't really care or complain about it.
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because I kinda feel that I haven't done anything for the ones that don't win anything
you gave them hope for something they cant get, on my book its a lot!
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I suppose that is one way of looking at it. But I still find it awkward. I'm odd in that way.
But then again, I have won around 33 games here and I've given away only 2 games. Doesn't really make me feel like a very generous person or anything.
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well look at it from the perspective of those 2 who one, and thos who hoped to win :-)
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To be fair, it invariably turns into a war, because in MOST(Not saying thats the case in THIS post) cases the poster usually follows with some kind of slam or attack against someone. It's like when someone goes "I don't mean to offend..." You know they are going to say something offensive. People like to hide behind comments like "I don't mean to..." or "Nothing personal" or "It's just a joke"...
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Chances are...if it might have offended if you didn't state that......it's still offensive. Adding "I don't mean to offend" doesn't neutralize all the offensiveness out of a statement....If the person ends with it...AFTER it has offended someone by saying "Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you" To me that's more acceptable. I feel in that case, the person genuinely didn't mean anything offensive by it, and in fact didnt even realize it was going to be taken that way...
If a person starts a sentence with it...To me anyway, it generally means they know it's offensive...but wanna say it anyway...but don't want you to get pissed at them for saying it. Generally, if I think something might be offensive, I generally don't say it. Unless I don't care if I offend the person or not.
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I can see your reasoning and it's very valid reasoning. I get your point. I guess I just don't use it before a statement cause either I don't care if it offends the person...or for whatever reason I didn't think they would find it offensive..Though I admit there have been a few times that it might have been in my best interest to lead with those words..lol
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I recently started composing little drum grooves to use in my entries. Every week a new groove, so that I get to say what I want but still change it a little.
Unless someone asks a question or states a particular request (that I feel like fullfilling), I have a go-to comment. It's almost always the same, but I still mean it.
Honestly: yes, it's up to you and you alone to decide what and why to say.
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you so understand (if you read some of what people here wrote) thats what you do is also considered as a generic "copy paste", and that most bots actually has a bank of comments to paste randomly?
(well that what some will say)
what i say is what is wrong with the same words? why strip the meaning from them?
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I realize that. I just wanted to give my little contribution to the discussion. I welcome "thanks". I give stuff away solely to give it away.
I prefere the forum for anything else.
To answer you: nothing. I don't. <3
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THAT'S IT. BLACKLISTED.
No, not really. :D
Have a groovy day! ^,...,^
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Yea, it's up to them and them alone to decide what and why to say....BUT on that same note, it's up to the GA host and the host alone to decide if it's acceptable and comment on it, and worse case scenario blacklist. I mean, the host is giving away something. It DOES belong to him...so he(or she!) has the right to blacklist for any reason....If he thinks yer a bot, for thanking, for not thanking...just because he doesn't like your profile pic...Honestly? If the worst he does is suggest you change your Paste/Bot message then you got off lucky IMHO.
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They are free to do as they please, but if they are giving stuff away in order to get praised or something, they're probably they kind of people I wouldn't want to have anything from in the first place.
I agree, it's silly to get blacklisted for random reasons, but it's still ok to me.
I'm not really here to get loved or anything. I'm not here for the free games either, that's just a bonus. :)
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Yea......Heaven forbid someone expects a thanks for giving something away O_O However, I don't think most people Blacklist because they don't feel you thanked properly...but because they think you are botting...and While I don't care if someone uses a bot stirctly for thanking..I do have an issue with someone who uses bots to enter any giveaway with a high % chance of winning. A Giveaway is intended for someone who actually WANTS a game, not someone who will take any and all games given to them and make it harder for people who want the game to get it....Also, some GAs have special rules. In order to weed out bots(For the same reason I stated above) They ask NOT to thank, or to post a picture. If someone is ignoring those rules, and just saying "Thanks for the chance!" They obviously aren't reading the description. So, they get banned...
Again, people can post any type of thanks....and it is up to them....but more importantly people can blacklist for what seems like obvious bot activity.
Like I said, I don't care if someone clips and pastes or does bot thanks. As long as they are reading the description and only entering in for games they genuinely want.
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Yea I never saw how saying "thanks" was something to lay blame or punishment for on this site. You get ostracized for having manners in steamgifts.
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Umm...if you didn't want to start a debate or argument, which I think was obviously coming, then why say anything at all? Just sayin'.
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hoped that people will read and will be more tolerance to one each other...its appear it was to much to hope for...
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Given the previous threads about the thank you comments, while it's a nice thought, it's a vain effort. People will keep blacklisting for this or think about bot behavior or anything else.
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thats what makes me sad, i simply cant understand why...
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What's that saying? You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time.
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I will tell you how i'm doing, i'm not judging how you do it, it's only a explication of how i'm doing to say thanks.
I usually write thank you in each giveaway i enter, but i use diferent variantions to avoid people think i'm a bot and blacklistng me.
I also answer the message the user have written (if there is one) or the thing he/she have requested.
And finally i attach a gif that i think is funny and i change it everyday (i copied this thing from another usser i can't remember now)
Sometimes (most of times after a bundle) when i enter mulple GA's of the same usser i say "thank you for all of your insert-bundle-name giveaways" in one of them only to avoid spamming him/her.
That's it.
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And for that reason i just don't bother anymore thanking, because apparently that is a big offence.
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Some people will blacklist you for expressing gratitude.
Some people will blacklist you for not expressing gratitude.
A person's definition of "generic thanks" is most likely not the same as another's.
You can't please everybody.
It's just up to you now which group of blacklists you'd rather be in.
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Yup just like real life, they say:
25% will like you no matter what
25% will hate you no matter what
50% wont care one way or the other about you
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well then i prefer to be with those who do bother and say thanks :-)
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i prefer to say thanks when someone gives me something in real life..its just polite and proper and at first i did that here,
but now i just say thank you if i win the GA as most people here consider saying thank you as being rude or a nuisance.
as far as my own GA's i dont mind a few people saying thanks any way they see fit:)
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i need to think on that approach,it was mention here several times i may start doing so as well tho im not comfortable with it...:/
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ahhh...dont really know what to do with it...you can have it back :-P
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make peace not war!
pistol on the table, defend right corner window 2nd floor, preserve radio silence until engaged
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People who enter giveaways with a script can all just go away. :) But if they are so lazy/greedy/whatever to use a script, please use it quietly so I won't waste my time trying to have a conversation with it. :)
People using a script to puke their identical inane message in every single giveaway their script enters on their behalf, without even knowing what game they are trying to win, can just go away twice. :)
And people who pretend not to be using a script and lie about it when caught should remember to leave the "Easy S. Gifts" group first. :)
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dont forget this:
And people who make assumption and call for it base on partial information should know better, i used it for the option to see the page as icons instead of lines, which dosent work for me any more :/
nonetheless it dosent mean that my words are a script now is it? ^_^
i feel privilege you cheeked my profile, thanks ^_^
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Regarding Edit 2: If it wasn't the creator, it's none of their business. just ignore them and carry on. Really, how someone enters a GA or thanks shouldn't be a concern to anyone except the creator. If the creator has no issue with it, then people need to butt out...imho anyway
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Not so much about the thread as the title, but...
"I'm not opening a war, but here, have some bombs."
"Nor do I try to disrespect, but yer mum hue hue hue."
There are better ways to title threads, because now everything is either "I can't say anything or I'm starting a war" or "this guy is dumb, time to burn him at the stake." Just saying.
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i dont see whats wrong with the title, but thanks for your opinion :-)
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Reading through this thread, my goodness this is a dilly of a pickle.
When I first joined this site I didn't really comment or anything as I figured I'd just lurk and figure out what would keep me out of trouble, you know aside from reading the site rules and FAQ and whatnot.
In the end I decided on a thank on win system, where if I win I send a custom thank you, it is a system a lot of people use and it makes sense, the mere chance at winning doesn't qualify as the epitome of giving, I see it as what it is a chance to win a video game from some random person I have never and will never know, not that it's that negative a view I'm just not gonna lose my shit if someone doesn't thank me or thanks me when I giveaway a game, I never ask people to do something, though I have been tempted to do so, but as it is I see thanking after winning the giveaway a lot more appropriate, as you were given something therefore you are thankful.
Think of it as a kind of lottery, you don't thank the ones who run the lottery simply because you bought a lottery ticket, but you are thankful if you win.
I understand being brought up to be thankful for every god damn thing under the sun, but it is simply not that imperative to thank just for the chance to win.
If the creator asks something specific then it is another story altogether, at that point you make a reply to the question and be done with it.
I'm not entirely sure if that came off as well as I intended, but really, I'm mainly just echoing most of the replies already in the thread.
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well i disagree, you dont buy the chance here like in lottery, and its not mandatory to get a chance, so by my book it deserve a thanks just for this, but i understand your point of view :-)
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Technically you do buy the chance, that's what the points are for. Otherwise you would be able to enter all giveaways without limit.
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Technically you dont as the points are free...you cant buy something that is free now do you? :-)
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But you do, points may be free but it's not like you have a million points to spend on giveaway, the main point is it costs points and time, you can only buy into so many giveaways at any given time, and if you don't have anywhere near as many points as you need for a giveaway you either decide whether it's worth removing points from another giveaway or two so you have enough, or ultimately giving up on it, you also have the option to wait till you have accumulated enough points to buy in as it may be a giveaway that will last longer than a few hours to a day.
What I'm trying to say is, stop arguing over some meaningless little tiny portion of the entire thing, a giveaway is literally exactly the same as a lottery, you buy in somehow be it points like here or through doing a bunch of crap as you do on other sites when giveaways are there, either way you are paying something for the chance at winning something, it does not matter that the points are free you still pay them, you wouldn't be able to access the giveaway without them so my point still stands.
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i disagree, thats not the same, you cant buy something that is free :-)
the point are for people wont be greedy and priorities which games means more for them thats all.
but i dont think you will change your mind so lets call it that we agree to disagree :-)
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i got today from a nice and polite person (which i have nothing against him) this message - to my thanks:
i replied him with this words:
"well its actually not a bot, its hand writing, also please dont take it as a disrespect, but it is my choice of how to say thanks and what words to use on that thanks, and for that i dont see any reason to "invent the wheel" over and over any time i want to say a simple "thank you" for a person.
i say thanks, because thats is the way i was thought. and i say it like this as thats is the way im comfortable with and see fit.
as i dont recall limiting you or any other one on how to say thanks... or even saying or not saying thanks at all. i think it is only fair that you (or any one else for the matter) respect other people words, even if you think its wrongly applied, and even if you think it has no meaning, it has a meaning to us!
one last words, you should stop judging others "ways of saying" and focus on what they actually say.:-)"
each for is own way.
so for all of you, who enter the same GIVEAWAYS as i am, and feel offended by my thanks and by how it is look like - im sorry, but you should respect yourself at least (if not us) and pay attention to meaning of the thanks, and not to how it was writing by your understanding.
have a nice day SG
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im really trying to get to all of the comments..but if i miss few im really sorry :-)
edit 2:
the person who is about isnt the giveaway creator, but another user nor did the creator mentioned any thing about "thanks" policy.
edit 3:
after few more comments with the fellow, he actually a nice man, i still dont feel what he did was right, but his intention (as cleared by him) were good :-)
conclusion:
we should pay attention to what we write/say to each other...
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