Something around $800. Shipment is really expensive outside USA
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So it's operation cutting costs then :) While the recommendations for the RX470 and the CPU cooler aren't bad, they aren't really going to cut 100 bucks. At some point it becomes a performance vs price tradeoff. In your case, I honestly think you might get most mileage out of holding off on the hard disk for a while (or reusing an old one that a friend might have). Secondly, are you sure you need an optical drive? Mine is unplugged most of the time, and e.g. windows can be installed from USB drives. That could be 65 bucks right there, and you could probably remove some more by good timing and buying things while on sale. (In the US, there is still some extended labor day sale. Elsewhere, well, it varies.)
As for the case, I do love it, and so I will not recommend any cheaper options. But I would not connect the power LED - it's just too bright!
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I guess it is kind of subjective though. For example, I've become way too used to having a SSD to want to go without one now.
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I'm really used to having a SSD too so that's why i put money on it. I know the case is really cool i love it too but is just really expensive at the moment, i might consider some others if this one doesn't get a sale.
I didn't consider not having an optical drive, i guess i can buy it later?
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I would recommend a cheaper case and to use that money to get a 1060 or 480. Is there any way you could maybe keep your current SSD/HDD to save some cash?
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everything seems well and good but the videocard, even the RX470 beats the GTX960, and you can get a good RX470 for that price or even less, if you can spend a bit more you can go for a 4GB RX480 for 980ish performance.
here is a great RX470 it even comes with some overclock for the same price of that aging 960
this might be the cheapest RX480 out there, it is a bit of a strech tough
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Thank you for the advice! I saw good reviews about the GTX960, but looks like RX470 is indeed better, thank you!
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Maybe you can save a few bucks with the cpu cooler, Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo should be a bit cheaper and it is really good for cooling.
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hmtCmG/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2
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Thank you! It looks like a good choice too, and it's a bit cheaper
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It's not a good choice. The initial one you put there is smaller, fits in most any cases (the 212 EVO does not), and offers better cooling for the same price.
The 212 EVO used to be the go-to cooler, that is indisputable. But like many other things that were good for a long time, it became obsolete as newer and better competitors showed up.
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You don't need an aftermarket cooler for a locked i5, the stock cooler gets the job done.
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Well, sorta. I don't think 60-80 °C while gaming for that noise can be considered that good, but at least it won't really let the CPU overheat beyond 90.
At least their stock cooler is still better than AMD's…
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They're better than people think, noise isn't really an issue when you're playing with headphones on.
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You don't really need a cooler right now, you should just get it when your more financially stable after the huge buy. Also, I don't know if they have things like "Black Friday" in your country but if they do I would suggest possibly waiting until that day to buy a video card. I'm also planning on buying the same video card and suspect it will go down A LOT in price in a few months so ive been waiting on that.
EDIT: Also I just noticed but the case is really expensive in my opinion. I literally only paid like 25 dollars for mine because it was on sale and its probably just as good. Always look for sales
EDIT2: Just realized your after a GTX; just get an RX 460 its VERY slightly worse than it but at like an 80 dollar difference.
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is this one, the R9 380X really worse than the RX? i actually don't really play games like CS:GO or GTA or games that require a lot, so I think this would play smoothly for me.
About the case, you're right, Im just gonna change it for a cheaper one. And you're absolutely right about the black friday, thanks for reminding me about that!
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Yeah that should be fine then, I'm sure it will play any game that you choose. Good luck with the build!
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Do you mean the cooler that comes with the case?
I actually want a good SSD so it was in my priority. I guess I could also buy it later..
I found this one which says it runs game on 60fps well, and because i don't play games with that high requirement often, seems like a good video card for me, but im not sure
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Get the cheapest one, the only thing that really matters for gaming is the quantity (and having an even number of sticks for dual channel).
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I'm currently looking at other parts too, there're a few things you could change to save a bit of money, like getting an i5 6400 instead of the 6500. It costs $20 less, but offers similar performance.
You could also choose a cheaper motherboard, the Gaming models by MSI are a bit overpriced for what they offer.
Then, the case is mostly a subjective choice, unless you have specific needs, like space constraints, or moddability (if you are into that).
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I feel like SSD makes a lot of difference in how speedy the machine feels day-to-day. I would not skip it.
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Don't get the ssd. If you're on a budget the priority should be CPU and videocard
If you are on a budget build, the last thing you ever need to get rid of is the SSD. An SSD makes the biggest performance impact on any modern system now.
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80 dollars won't make such a large difference over the 200 USD mark in GPUs, as long as you stay within the same line. And yes, the difference between waiting up 3 minutes to boot compared to under a minute translates to overall system speed. Try working on a system with HDD and a system on SSD and you'll feel it fast; two of my workplace PCs have this small difference, and it makes a rather large impact.
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Sure, but those are the reference versions... and reference Radeon cards have crappy cooling systems.
As for the GeForce 1060, those are the 3GB versions, a too low amount of VRAM if one wants to use them with recent AAA games.
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Well, more like 280 USD. They are good performance boost, yes.
On the other hand, a 40-dollar AData SSD could suffice as a system drive for a budget build. :)
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You kind of really only need a 1060 if your going to be running multiple monitors. Since he/she said they wont be running super powerful games I don't think that kind of graphics card is needed.
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If you have a 3dtv, I would definitly stick with Nvidia if I were you.
Also, its better performance for your dollars to buy an AMD processor imho. It is important to have a good CPU cooler with AMD processors tho. You can then up the motherboard.
If you need to skim off some more $:
- 8gb ram is probably enough. Check here to see it doesnt matter much: http://www.techspot.com/article/1043-8gb-vs-16gb-ram/page3.html
- Can't you re-use stuff like your old ATX case, HDD & power supply?
- Do you really still need a CD / DVD drive?
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I don't have a 3DTV ):
I actually always wanted I5 though. Plus if i get the AMD i'd have to get a good CPU cooler so i think it'd balance with the I5?
- Ah, does that mean the 2x8 gives you 16gb? or it has the slot to put another 8gb? i didn't understand this. Because if so, i should probably buy a 2x4
-Problem is, I'm gonna sell my current one so i can't keep stuff like this, but i guess i could buy second-handed
-I took it off my list! I can always download the drivers and stuff
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Finances-wise, an AMD + aftermarket cooler still can cost half as much as an i5, in very extreme cases.
Don't buy 2×4 GB RAM if you can afford 2×8.
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I'd go with FD R5 (amost same price + improvements over r4) or Phanteks Evolv, in fact I was just looking at those 2
I'd go with a 480 sapphire, 8gbs
PSU is fine, memos are fine, mobo is fine unless you find one isn't B mean for business (H? maybe?)
heatsink / cpucooler, I do have hyper 212 (1st one) with heatpipe in base and it's cool. I've also read ppl recommend Cryorig h7 h5 or simiral, def cool looking!
Also, if size and price are ok, check Noctua's they might be not so good looking but are KINGS in silent and quality, NHD15 is HUGE! same as d14, but 12s and others are smaller, lighter and just as good as cooling your micro.
Go check them if you haven't. GL!
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I made a build (a bit over $800), check it to see if it's to your liking: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/WjCJyf
- I chose an i5 6400 because, as I said previously, it offers similar performance to the i5 6500, while costing less;
- the motherboard is an ATX model, you could choose a Micro-ATX to save a bit of money;
- likewise, the case is also ATX, with a smaller motherboard you could get a smaller (and cheaper) one (also, the choice is mostly subjective);
- the SSD, while helpful, isn't mandatory, so ditching it will save you $90 (or you could choose another brand, like Crucial, and save $20-$30);
- the HDD I chose is a 2TB one (part of a combo offer), but you might not need this much space, or even recycle an old one;
- the RAM choice is trivial, if you don't have any brand loyalty, just pick the cheaper one (or the best looking one);
- the best GPU I could fit into the budget is a Radeon Rx 470, if you manage to cut expenses on other parts you could fit a GeForce GTX 1060 (avoid the 3GB models) or a Radeon Rx 480;
- the PSU is just enough for this build, from a reputable manufacturer (it was also part of a combo deal)
Of course, this is all assuming you have a valid Windows license you could reuse on a new PC (a new one will cost at least $90 for Win10 Home).
Choosing an AMD CPU will save you a lot of money, even if you get a third party cooler for overclock.
But it will most likely have lower performance in games that are more CPU-bound, especially if they're coded to use a few cores.
This happens because while Intel focus on getting the best single core performance for their CPUs, AMD instead add more cores to them (like Intel did in the past, when the concept of multi-core CPUs was deemed almost impossible).
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That PSU may not survive more than 5 years, but apart from that, I like that build. I cannot see any bottlenecks, which is rare.
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I wanted to pick the Seasonic SII-520, but it would've exceeded the budget even more.
This exact model seem to be made by Channel Well Technologies... not one of the best OEMs, but not too bad either.
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Have you looked around the rebrands? I think Corsair has a series based on Seasonic. Sadly, that 50-dollar budget on it won't really afford a Super Flower PSU, even a rebranded one from EVGA.
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I just made a quick search this time, but if needed I know a few trusted sources to choose a great PSU.
I've seen things that literally blew me up (pun intended, as I'm talking about cheap PSUs that blew up themselves).
I've also had that happen to me in the past (when I didn't know anything about PCs), and in fact that's what prompted me to better know hardware. But it will be a while before I'll be able to do a proper upgrade, as I have an old (OEM) AM3 motherboard, so the only thing I could recycle for a new build are the hard drive and graphic card.
At this point, I'm still hoping Zen will be ready for Christmas... but I'm being way too hopeful.
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Apparently, manufacturing on AM4 boards have started. So maybe we will actually get a Christmas miracle. Assuming the pricing will try to keep within Bulldozer/Piledriver levels.
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- CPU: Nice pick, but going down to the 6400 won't really hurt you. You can save quite a few dollars there. Gaming performance is almost exact same, working performance is not that lower to feel it for a good many years.
- Motherboard: Decent enough, but you could probably get a H170 or B150 in ATX form factor a little cheaper. Still, nothing really wrong with the mobo.
- RAM: Good.
- Storage: Good.
- GPU: Use the money left from downgrading the CPU and get an RX 460 or 470. The 380X is a wonderful card and I love it, but if you can somehow get an RX, do that, would worth it a lot more in the long run.
- Case: I'd either get something cheaper or a Phanteks. But cases for first builds are purely subjective. Still, your needs could probably be supported by a 50-60 dollar case.
- PSU: Get one of these: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na or http://pcpartpicker.com/product/xVkD4D/seasonic-power-supply-ssr450rm or http://pcpartpicker.com/product/cvXfrH/corsair-power-supply-cx430m
In reality, you could go well with a 350 W decent supply as your system under stress test would consume around 280 Watts, and a 430-450 W one will serve your needs even if you add a beefy GPU later. No need to go higher if you can get away with something that costs less and still would never really reach 50% load on your rig.
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6400 its quite slow. 2.7 will not last for long. Bad choice.
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500mhz diff is not that much imo. but then again neither is the $25 diff... i'd prob still drop the extra $25 for the extra 500mhz though...
either/or... both good still and will be for a while good =)
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Thanks for the recommendations for the PSU! I also changed the GPU to this one, is it a good one?
I also changed the mobo to this one. Thanks to Mike90 for sharing their list!
I'm considering to change the case but i haven't found something i like~ and I'm still not sure about changing the CPU, i saved a few dollars with the above mentioned so maybe i can afford the 6500. I'm considering both though!
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The motherboard is a much better one, yes.
The GPU is very similar to the 380X, but it is better on average.
If you drop the CPU to the 6400 one, you may try to push for an RX 480, which is another 30% or more faster in games. (Games are always GPU-limited, except for a very few where the developers didn't know how to write a proper code, like Arma, Fallout 3/New Vegas, Final Fantasy XIII, and most any Source games. So a weak CPU + strong GPU combo leads to a lot better performance in them than a strong CPU + mediocre GPU one.)
There is also a possibility to get an SSD outside of Samsung. While it is true that Samsung SSDs are a lot better than any other, in real-world scenarios you still get a lot more responsive system on any SSD, including a cheap AData (or anything, except a Kingston) one, and it may go for as cheap as 40 bucks. (Keeping the Samsung is also beneficial if you can afford it, that cannot be contested.)
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The difference between 470 and 480 is 10% at most...
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I heard many things from 10% to 50%. Just went with the average.
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i totally disagree with "30% or more" also, but what i think was really meant was "up to and additional 30% increase", and that upto is only in certain situations. could be as low as only a 10% increase in other certain situations.
i have no real knowledge of either of these precise gpus, just speaking from normal gpu increase information ive seen in past regarding steps in gpus.
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before anyone contests the samsung part....
other brands may very well have an equally good ssd on the market, but the price of that model will be more then the same quality product would be from samsung.. therefore samsung wins without contest... =)
just thought i'd try to help prevent someone contesting that ;) interested to see if sum1 still would... cause that'd b funny 2 me if so ^^
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Well, their 3D NAND chips are usually matched by Intel's SSDs, but not many other… to be honest, I don't know about any other manufacturer who can come close to them.
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actually intel was all i could think of too, but didnt know if maybe some of the expensive OCZ models may by now too, so just left it with a "may" =)
but intel ssd cost is high.
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Well, mostly because they target servers, and in those operations they sometimes destroy Samsungs on benchmarks.
OCZ is often a candidate to match the currently-best SSDs, but frankly, they usually remain there: as a candidate. They make pretty nice SSDs though (except when they utterly fuck it up of course, which i think happened once or twice on some series).
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I changed the case for a lower one. I really want the Samsung SSD so i don't think i'll drop it, but i found this 1060 GPU because i've read there's not that much difference between an RX 470 and an RX 480 so i looked for a cheap GTX 1060. Is EVGA a good brand for GPUs?
EDIT: Or should i just go for the RX 470?
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Main difference is that NVidia is considerably stronger in DX11 games, which means almost all current ones. AMD is stronger in Vulkan/DX12 ones, which are the upcoming ones. NVidia right now is a better choice if you will replace the card in a few years at most, while AMD is there for the long haul.
EVGA is a great brand for power supplies, good in most anything else.
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what i fear more of in the future then either of those cases is revision differences. for example opengl upgrades from 4.5 to 5.0 then all the current cards out period cant support it and everyone needs an upgrade. i mean i hope this crap has changed more and the architecture for it wont change that rapidly. but i remb. those same kinda things happening all the time with pixel shader revisions.
that example may not quite be an accurate representation, it may be great till 6.0, but i think you know what i meant.
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Well, hopefully not all devs would be such incompetent amateur idiots like Hello Games who made an engine that was designed to run on the one card they had at the office, and make sure that the engine can adapt. (But then again, those jackasses who ported Final Fantasy XIII over to PC also forgot that maybe other graphics chips exist than those NVidia cards they worked on…)
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even setting those types of incidents aside though, i fear the larger architecture change physically in chips specifically in the opengl side now. like you said it does seem to be the future, so i can easily see them trying to improve on it and find some massive needed change that essentially changes the way game devs have to design the game in general. not the incompetent type dev situations, cause those will always happen regardless really, lol. xD
but even if that does happen im sure it still would be ~5-6years on the market before the games designed for it were really being released. that is a rough average anyways, i just hope something does not cause it to go faster.
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Well, Vulkan is largely built on Mantle, which started in 2013. At this rate, it either goes off by 2018 the latest or it will fade like Glide did after a short place in the limelight. So the ~5 year thing may be accurate.
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The current list looks quite good, but listen to talgaby, that's someone who is great at this stuff.
For the same money as a 380X, you could get the much better GTX 1060:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1771?vs=1752
RX 480 would also be a good option, some versions costing even less than the 380X, still outperforming it by a significant amount.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1749?vs=1752
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I didn't find a GTX 1060 affordable for me, so i went for the RX 470. I think it has almost the same quality as the RX 480?
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obviously a 470 isn't as good as a 480
check benchmarks if you want concrete info lol
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I just went by the site you linked to, where the 380X was listed at $239, while I found 1060s starting at $229.
The 480 performs on average 15% better than the 470, so it's not an extremely large difference, and if the price difference is about 15% you still get the same amount of "bang for the buck". Just a little less bang, but for a little less buck.
Here you can see how different GPUs perform compared in the same games/tests, and averaged to an index where R9 390X is set to 100. GTX 1060 scores 107, that means it performs on average 7% better than the 390X, etc. Note that this is an average number, the differences will be larger, and in both directions for specific games.
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take this 470: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/t898TW/sapphire-radeon-rx-470-8gb-nitro-video-card-11256-02
it has the fast ram from the 480, is a bit cheaper, cooler, less power using and if you oc a bit you are as fast as the stock rx 480.
Even if you don't need the 8gb vram (you will in future) the faster ram is much better than all other 470ths
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Thank you for the link! I changed the one i had with this one, there was no much difference in the price and I think it fits my needs just fine
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Good idea. While 8 GB VRAM now is overkill, if the current rate continues, you'll need it within less then 2 years. Maybe even faster.
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i dont see really any bad info here... nor really anything i need to add.. i guess maybe.. hmmm... nah, all good info really.. =)
your choice was fine as was, or could be tweaked to any of the info here (unless i overlooked bad info -or- if bad info comes after this) and still turn out fine to maybe slightly better (but all said is very close imo)
edit: typos
additionally: not really a fan of saphire brand stuff, but overlooking that i have no issues with amd gpu (or cpu/apu)
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could consider a 2nd hand gpu for half the price, or a better current gen GPU such as the 1050 or "1060" 3gb, or an AMD equivalent. You could also pair a cheaper CPU with that GPU, if you don't need the CPU for anything else heavier than gaming.
The Mobo looks kinda expensive to me, since I got a Z1somethingsomething (those that allow OCing) for 130€ (€ is also more expensive than equivalent product in $), though I guess it also depends on what kind of requirements you have of it.
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also, if you have an old unused desktop or laptop, you can salvage and reuse the HDD, if SATA
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Problem is, Im gonna sell my current one, so I can't keep anything from it, but I guess I could look for a 2nd hand GPU if it comes to it
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what are the specs of the one you're gonna sell?
you can also try checking ebay for prices of the components, who knows if you can get more that way than by selling it whole... though I guess it depends on the market you have direct access to
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Not sure if this is an incompatibility but the mobo seems to support 2133 mhz memory while the ram you've chosen is 2400 mhz
Anybody got an idea about this?
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I see what you mean, but on the page it says No Compatibility Issues.. Should I change it for a 2133mhz anyways?
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Get a hitachi 2TB drive, it's the same price as your current choice.
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HGST/Hitachi drives often compete with Western Digital for being the most reliable. :)
(Although, funny enough, there are charts where HGST is the worst and where they are the best by a really wide margin.)
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I think I'm gonna go for the Hitachi one~ I updated the list, probably it all looks good enough
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Well first of all I'm no expert, I've just become really interested in PC hardware since I aimed to build my first rig by the end of the year (last year I helped a friend with parts of his first desktop and we were both quite happy with the result), however my current laptop is still kicking ass with a GTX 870M gpu (similar to a GTX 760) for 900p gaming (the size of the screen doesn't benefit much of a higher resolution tbh) and I don't get much AAA new titles anyway.
So here are my humble recommendations:
- CPU: I highly suggest going for the 6500 over the 6400, for $20 you get 0.3 Ghz of extra power out of the box.
- MOBO: Might be some prejudice, but I think that the Gigabyte GA-H170-D3H for an extra $5 is a safer and more user friendly option than the AsRock. Haven't checked the features differences though! Newegg is great for comparing those, but I suspect there are pretty much alike.
- RAM: I would rather suggest you to get an 8 Gb single dimm, it's cheaper, you save space in the mobo and there are no advantages in having dual dimms for gaming! (Crucial and G.Skill have $32-33 good options, the latency and speed will impact very little your gaming too)
- STORAGE: You're pretty covered here!! If you can get a 2 TB HDD, and check the MyDigital and OCZ SSDs, they are pretty good and cheaper than Samsung (OCZ was bought by Samsung anyway).
- GPU: Look I won't lie, I like more AMD's open approach to gamers (dat Freesync tech tho), but in performance per dollar ratio you will be better off with a GTX 1060... specially since AMD screwed up and the RX 480 is so damn expensive right now :(
- CASE: I would highly recommend the Fractal Define S over the R4 unless you want your optical drive for heavy use, if you rarely use it just get an external optical or bluray drive, they're pretty cheap. The Define S has an amazing versatility for airflow and even watercooling if you get into that or sell it to someone who is in the future! A pretty solid investment imho.
- PSU: For the same price you can get an EVGA 500B that has a great review in its price range by JonnyGuru, who is a big specialist in PSU reviews on the Internet, however the Corsair you chose is semi modular which will help you greatly with cable management so it's still a solid choice!
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Regarding your edit 3:
- Glad to see you went with a 2 TB HDD, specially an Hitachi since they are super reliable!
- The P400 is better than the R4 case, however I still recommend the Define S, it's good enough to house better builds in the future (big CPU cooler compatibility, lots of fans or liquid cooling pretty much on all sides, great cable management and air ventilation). But still, the P400 is a great case nonetheless!
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You cannot really beat ASRock in being user friendly and feature-rich. We are talking about the company who managed to build motherboards that overclocked the non-K Intels before Intel "kindly" asked them to stop it and release new BIOSs that disabled this feature. Or the company that managed to hook up two memory sticks and three monitors on an N3000 chip, despite its single-channel two-display official specification… Right now other manufacturers would be happy if they had tenth of the ingenuity of the ASRock engineers.
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Yeah like I said it's more a prejudice thing, since MSI, Gigabyte and Asus seem to have more intuitive BIOS and UIs in Windows for controlling cooling, OC and other features. I haven't really seen or watch someone using said user-friendly stuff with an AsRock, but I might be wrong! I've read about how AsRock has come a long way in such a competitive market, thanks for sharing those quite interesting milestones from the company Tal!
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the gtc has not a better price value than the rx 470 8gb from sapphire. they are nearly the same.
It's not a bad card but i would go with the little weaker rx 470 but have 8gb ram, better dx12 support and pay less.
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The thing is... 1080p gaming rarely uses much VRAM, and if the card isn't powerful enough to render the pixels fast enough that extra VRAM is wasted, UNLESS you plan to CF/SLI in the future of course, but personally I advocate for single GPU usage if you're not an enthusiast who just cares about having the biggest and baddest rig around no matter the cost.
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take a look at rise of the tomb raider, rainbow six siege, hitman, deus ex...
all this games even now take more than 4gb vram if they can (in 1080p)
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If you play on Ultra then yeah, but an RX 470 or GTX 1060 will run them at 1080p60 in High most likely, which takes about 2-3 Gb of VRAM (I checked Rainbow Six Siege for this), I also don't like to stress the GPU with anti aliasing and use the minimum but that's just me honestly. And anyway, the GTX 1060 at the price range of $250 comes with 6GB of VRAM which is more than enough :]
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i don't want a red vs. green fight or anything.
Boths Cards are good and we will not know what games will ask for memory in future. two years ago everyone said: 4gb vram? no need for that! and now we see games that take more in 1080p60 (i have a r9 380 with 4gb ram and in most modern games the whole ram will get used if i set texture level on high or ultra...)
in the end: I would take the 470 you would take the 1060, and the op has to take a decision :)
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Agreed. Funny thing is that I prefer AMD, but the RX 480 is so damn expensive right now and we don't know yet the price and specs of the RX 490 nor the release date :(
So in this case I just look at the price per dollar performance and that's why I advocate for the 1060, but it depends as you said for how long OP wants to use it, if it's over 5 years then more VRAM might come quite handy! :)
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Not that rarely any more, sadly. There are games that can eat more than 4 GB VRAM on 1080p. Which is ridiculous, but they still exist.
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Agreed! 6 and 8 Gb of VRAM seem to be the new norm nowadays, however VRAM is mostly abused by Ultra settings and such but in 3-4 years 4 Gb of VRAM might be eaten by mid settings, who knows?
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- I'm planning to save for the 6500 so hopefully i can buy it instead of the 6400
- I'm guessing you mean this mobo. It does have more reviews and support win10 well.
- So it's exactly the same if i get a 1x8gb only that i save space? Going for a HyperX 1x8gb then~
- I went for this Hitachi 2TB HDD, I'll look into those SSDs!
- I chose the RX 470 over the GTX 1060. I know the 1060 is better but RX 470 seems good for my needs
- For the case I chose Phanteks ECLIPSE P400. I'm not getting an optical drive because I don't really need it but buying an external optical is a really good choice for later
- I saw the EVGA 500B but because this is my first build i want easy cable management so I'm going for the Corsair CXM
Thank you for your opinion!
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- Yeah I mean, it's $20 so better save up some more for a month and get it :)
- The H170M is a micro ATX board, I meant his big brother.
- Yeah, I kind of read obsessively about RAM and for gaming performance you're talking 1 or 2 fps changes with higher speed, latency, multiple dimms... so that's why I recommend a single 8 GB dimm, even a single 16 GB if you can (it's the maximum capacity dimm that the mobo can hold, so future proofing!)
- Great choice of HDD!
- Yeah the 1060 has way better performance and seems to cost the same, but the GPU is the most likely part that you will replace in your rig in the future anyway :]
- I already addressed why I recommend the Define S over the P400 on another comment, but Phanteks it's still a good choice!
- Don't sweat it, that PSU seems pretty good too.
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Single-channel doesn't impede gameplay performance, that is true. 1-2 fps on average.
Single-channel impedes everything else in return: http://nucblog.net/2015/09/dual-channel-vs-single-channel-does-it-matter/
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I have a big doubt now: if my PC has three sticks of RAM, do they run in single or dual channel mode?
I might do a few tests after taking one out to check myself later...
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Single-channel. You cannot mix single and dual-channel modes. This is why RAM kits always have 2-4 (sometimes 8) sticks in them.
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Typical of lazy OEMs (Acer, specifically). This motherboard has 4 slots, and (officially) supports up to 8GB (currently has 3*2GB).
However, CPU-Z's memory tab says "Channel #: Dual"... although it could just mean the memory controller supports it.
I might need to buy another 2GB stick the next time I buy something from Amazon, or even a 1GB one if they're cheap enough.
There should be no compatibility issues, if they run at the same specs (the basic one, as the BIOS has 0 configuration options).
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If you buy a 1 GB one, then its pair will act like a 1 GB one in dual-channel.
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I won't consider that option then.
But what about PCs which only support single-channel?
For example, would 4GB+2GB be read as 6GB, or as 4GB?
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Very few low-consumption chips have single-channel only, and ASRock has proven that with a decent enough chipset, even they can do dual-channel modes, despite specifications.
Anyway, it would be 6 GB.
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I wouldn't doubt Asrock's capability to make the impossible possible.
By the way, the case I mentioned is my family's laptop (HP 635 with an AMD E-350).
It originally came with 2GB, to which I added a 4GB stick last year, in an effort to make it less crappy.
Luckily, it's mainly used by mom to browse Facebook (and play those resource hogging Flash games by King).
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Wait, you said you have 3 sicks, but the E-350 has only 1 memory controller for 1×2 channels. o.0
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The one with 3 sticks is my personal desktop PC, an Acer Aspire X3400 (with an extra Radeon R7 240).
The other one is the family's crappy laptop.
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Ah. Well, it most likely runs in single-channel mode, especially if the timings on the RAM sticks are not the same.
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The only thing I'm sure about, is that those 3 sticks are the original ones, and they're all identical.
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the sapphire has higher memory clock because it uses the same memory than the rx 480. afaik there is no other 470 that has a memory clock as high as this.
MSI: 6700 MHz (in OC Mode)
Sapphire: 8000 MHz
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I just wanted to show, that it's not the "same" 8gb ;)
btw the sapphire 480 is realy not that good but the 470 is a good sapphire card :)
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msi warranty: 3year
saphire warranty: 2year
i already knew going in which i'd trust more. saphire's are great at overclocking their stuff sure.. but it never lasts that long due to such overclocking.
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msi: start with production date
sapphire: start with date of buying
so if you buy an 1.5 year old card (would ofc not happen with a new card like the rx470) you only have 1.5 years left... that's a bit of shady
but i use an msi r9 270 itx in one pc and a sapphire r9 380 in the other one and they boths work fine :)
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i still know my past experiences tell me which will likely fail before the other. its my opinion and im sticking too it, idc if op chooses a saphire though, just thought i'd throw an alternative option out there.
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but you are right, the clock speed is diff, i knew that too when i posted. i just dont trust saphire enough to at least throw the option out there.
i guess to try and further explain myself>>
IMO sahpires are there to try and compete with their clock speeds, and thats why they are popular and will win in a benchmark.. but... those bumping of clock speeds they do shorten the life of the card.. i dont really want to argue about that nor did i want to make a hit towards any saphire fans.. if you do not mind the chances of failure to gain that edge in gaming, then sure go for saphire.. but due to this "overclocking" that they do on virtually every one of their cards, they are not my first choice, or even 5th choice. sorry if i sounded like an ass in saying it was my opinion and im sticking too it, this is more my exact reasoning though.
ops already stated they didnt really do any AAA gaming, they just decided to bump up video card for more ram to basically "futureproof" it.. so no AAA means op really doesnt need an overclocked card, so i'd go to closer to default clockspeeds and last that much longer (well, probably last longer, nothing guarantee'd ofc).
all that being said, the saphire card could very well last 12years and still not die but finally get tossed in the closet then eventually trashed without a true death.. but from past experiences and well to be honest common sense with overclocking, chances are not that great that would be the case.
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I love build shares... but it makes me want to build again...
Here is my current rig (though I've dropped to one SSD, and sold off the 980s to replace them with 1080s)
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what the BLEEP were u doing with 4+ to begin with? raid10(stripe+mirror)?
that had to of been sweet if so ^^
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ahh nice.. faster then 10 anyways.. and they are solid state after-all so i guess that makes sense anyways xD
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When I originally unloaded them I figured I would move to two PCIe SSDs, but that just never happened. Ultimately, I have two of the Crucials (I don't know why I spaced off the second) in RAID1, and sold off the four larger Samsung drives only to find out that the SSDs for the OS, and the 6TB for everything else was plenty... besides, my whole rig is already enough overkill but that's what I love about it.
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Don't know if you're aware of it but only the "boxed" version of the CPU comes with the OEM cooler. The tray versions are slightly cheaper but come without a cooler.
Also the boxed version is covered by Intel's own warranty (regional restrictions may apply of course)
Edit: My brother has an i7 6700 and you only hear the cpu fan when the PC boots up and the revs go up. Otherwise the GTX 970 is the loudest thing, especially when he's gaming.
Don't forget 2 case fans. 800rpm 120 mm fans will suffice.
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i would drop the Kingston ram and grab some corsair like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233982 for $1 more..corsair is a great company for ram they once replaced some old SDRAM ram i had in a draw for over 10 years with some new DDR3 ram free of charge just because i called and asked have never had a single issue with anything of there i have bought,kingston on the other hand has been total garbage for me.
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Thanks for the alternative! Corsair is a really good brand for RAMs and almost everything, I see. I've chosen to get a 2x4GB instead of a 1x8GB. There's not that much of a difference with the Corsairs ones, I just have a doubt because even if the page tells me it doesn't have Compatibility Issues when i pick a DDR4-2400, the mobo I chose only support DDR4-2133 so I guess is safer to pick a 2133?
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naa it will have an xmp profile that you can just set for 2133 instead of the 2400 or just down clock it and speed up timings some.
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This is my first time building a PC and this is my list. I have a few questions about it so i thought i'd ask experienced people from here! Is that all the parts that i need or am I missing something i should buy too? And also, I'll really appreciate it if you could tell me cheaper alternatives to what I currently have, because I kinda exceed my budget. Thank you!
EDIT: This is my current list.
EDIT 2: Current current list.
EDIT 3: Final List? Maybe?
EDIT 4: Here's the one.
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