100% this. Defragmenting SSDs will sort of steal an amount of times in which they can be written on with data.
Defragmenting is only useful for mechanical drives which are accessing their data with varying speed, depending where it's located on the physical disk.
SSDs accessing data on every sector with the same speed, since there are no mechanical parts, that literally have to reach for a certain part on the disk.
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Of course they're still trying to sell their product but including SSDs in their product description is kinda like Kodak trying to sell film to people to clean their phone screen and lenses with.
"Look, we know it's an outdated product but you can still use it and make us money so go ahead"
Of course it's free here so it doesn't matter but it can still do more harm than good whether it's free or not.
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+1 😎
If People really want an instant speedup, you can use the
It is better to only defrag the entire system once, including the SSD, after all the OS, browsers and daily used applications have been installed and security updates have been completed.
This would be a more realistic operation than shortening the life of the SSD significantly on a regular basis.
The need to use external applications for this purpose would not be too much.
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In fact, there is a reading order in the system.
If the chipset of the SSD is excellent, there is no need to take these into account. (Sometimes there are clunkers...)
The advantage exists in terms of optimizing for those readouts. However, there is no reason to do this more than once during OS installation or initial setup. only once.
The thing is that not all hardware in the world is superior.
(I'll spare you the details of which manufacturers suck.)
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After 12+ years, I've yet to see a SSD fail from write exhaustion, even with occasional defraggings. I've got two 840 pros that were at 0% life 6 years ago (they were used as cache drives at the data center so they were abused pretty hard lol) and they're still going. Granted I don't have anything critical on them, but they still haven't failed yet. I have 850 evos at 0% life - like 211TBW over 7.5 years which is almost 3x over its warranted amount , and they're still going with 0 failed sectors. Overall I have about 100ssds in use at the data center. Not saying write endurance can't be an issue depending on what you do, like you will wear out a SSD doing chia plotting, but the fears about it are way overblown (I don't know how durable QLC drives are though - so they could be an exception). You'll likely outgrow your SSD long before you wear it out even if you were to defrag it once a month.
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also, from windows 7 onwards defragging is not needed anymore due to better write algorithms and bigger disk capacity
so for the average user defragging is a thing of the past
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stupid me doesn't know what this defrag means - why should or shouldn't i use it?
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Well, from the perspective of a not-a-tech-person,... the more you use your computer, the more files you generate and the more the computer slows down. Defragmentation of a mechanical drive is helpful in this case, because it will move the data around and make it easier and faster to access. I think there's magnetism involved in hard drives, so it's easy to rewrite them and it doesn't do any harm. When you have SSD though, they work differently. There's no point in defragmenting them, because it won't speed up the reading of the data and it will wear out the transistors inside, lowering the lifespan.
I know my dad was really into defragmenting back in the day... He kept doing it all the time to make his computer run better, but his computer also always kept on exploding, so I dunno, maybe don't do it that often even if you have a magnetic hard drive, haha.
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it will move the data around and make it easier and faster to access.
This, it is all about access time:
Disk vs. SSD
While access times of fast hard disks are typically from 5 to 10 milliseconds, solid state drive (SSD) access times are in the 25 to 100 microsecond range. SSDs are as much as 100 times faster because there is no mechanical seek time or latency associated with flash memory storage.
https://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia/term/access-time
The main benefits of using an SSD are the much faster access times rather than the linear speed compared to a traditional HDD. When a HDD is fragmented, the access time to the fragmented files is very much higher, because the head has to seek each fragment through the plates.
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A single file on your computer is often broken into multiple locations across the hard drive (for reasons). The file system is aware of this.
In the days of Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, the fragmentation of files across the physical hard drive would cause noticable slowing as the computer read those files, moving the physical disk reading mechanism from one sector of a disk to another multiple times to read a single file. (Exactly like a vinyl record player, with a needle jumping around to different spots.)
Defragmenting ("defragging") your files moved all the broken-up bits of files into one continuous file, so the read mechanism only had to make a big move once per file.
Video games on disc-based systems like the PlayStation would also go as far as to group files from one game level together on the disk to make level loads faster. Or if there was room on the disc, another optimization might be to put copies of a file used in multiple levels into multiple spots on the disc. Also, if I'm remembering correctly, try to put things in the center of the disc that are read often, since there's less movement for the read mechanism to travel through that area of data.
In a modern computer, with multi-platter drives, and solid state drives, and much larger RAM storage, file fragmentation is an issue that almost doesn't matter. But the read mechanism is still there, still moving around a bunch, and can still benefit from defragging into continuous files. I don't remember if modern OSes actually handle a bit of it themselves it not.
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Its been built into windows for years now. Its automatic. It only applied to HDs, not to SSDs. SSDs use Trim. Its also built in and automatic.
Click your start, type "defrag" open the "defrag and optimize app" that it will find. This will show you your stats, let you run it manually or change the frequency. Looks like mine is weekly. I don't remember if thats something I set or was the default.
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I would instead download this other free O&O program, much more useful:
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I remember using this after I built my current pc and installed Windows 10. Even the recommended settings can be too aggressive and prevent normal stuff from working. Like, the recommended setting disables Windows Spotlight which is the feature that downloads and changes the wallpaper daily on your lock screen. I and many people like that feature.
The program explains that rating the wallpaper will send information about you and your pc to Microsoft. Ok but why not just tell users to not use the rating option or maybe create a block in your firewall? No need to disable the entire feature.
It has its uses if you know exactly what you're disabling or you're super paranoid but for a lot of people it's probably too aggressive.
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it's probably too aggressive
Every option in the program comes with a description, nothing is toggled on by default, you choose what you want on or off.The green/yellow/red color system is just an indication to help guide the user.
If anything Microsoft is the aggressive one here with all the telemetry on by default, and the switches (when available) scrambled across hundreds of settings!
or maybe create a block in your firewall
I'm not sure how that constitutes an easier option than just reading the provided description and deciding if you want the feature enabled or disabled with a simple checkbox...
PS: the program isn't doing anything fancy behind the scene, it is just a user friendly interface that modifies known keys in the registry to turn on/off said features, which you can also do yourself directly, for example with Windows Spotlight:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/windows-spotlight
which by the way includes not just the wallpaper of the day, but also occasional "recommendations":
including suggesting other relevant Microsoft products and services.
aka ads ;)
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Every option in the program comes with a description, nothing is toggled on by default, you choose what you want on or off.The green/yellow/red color system is just an indication to help guide the user
Yea but one of the problems of using a new OS is you're not entirely sure what you want or don't want until you actually use it. Disabling a setting might affect another function that you don't know about yet. I just trusted what the program recommended because it was supposed to be focused on privacy and security, supposed to be fast and easy, and because it said recommended. Having to read every description for every setting is very tedious and takes away the convenience.
If anything Microsoft is the aggressive one here with all the telemetry on by default, and the switches (when available) scrambled across hundreds of settings!
Yes Microsoft is aggressive with their telemetry and this program can be aggressive too with their "recommended" settings. My point with the Windows Spotlight example is the program recommends disabling Spotlight completely because using the rating function will send info back to MS. Instead of just telling you not to use the rating function they recommend disabling the entire feature which is a bit aggressive imo.
which you can also do yourself directly, for example with Windows Spotlight:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/windows-spotlight
which by the way includes not just the wallpaper of the day, but also occasional "recommendations"
Exactly. That link has info on how to disable recommendations and tailored ads in the group policy. Why doesn't O&O do that instead of disabling the entire Spotlight feature?
or maybe create a block in your firewall
I meant maybe O&O could automatically create a firewall rule to block the rating function instead of disabling Spotlight.
I don't think O&O is a bad program I just wouldn't recommend it for new OS users. I think it requires some knowledge and experience with Windows 10 before you can use it.
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I don't think O&O is a bad program I just wouldn't recommend it for new OS users. I think it requires some knowledge and experience with Windows 10 before you can use it.
I still disagree with you on this, the program is straightforward, explains every toggle included, and lets the user decide for themselves if they want to keep any of those features. Plus the descriptions are elaborate enough for a user to understand what each toggle does.
If a user is looking for a more opinionated program that only has one big button to "shut up" windows telemetry without caring about all the boring details, there are plenty of alternatives out there:
https://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/
ShutUp10 takes the approach of letting the user be in control, which I always appreciate :)
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100.000 is for SLC, the most expensive type which is meant to be used as cache.
Today, common memory types are TLC and QLC, which according to this chart have a much lower limit.
Related to this, usually part of TLC and QLC memory is dynamically re-configured to work as SLC cache.
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You can do it and it can help. Just don't do it constantly.
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It CANNOT help. Please read up on the issue, before arguing.
SSDs don't have any moving parts and the data on them doesn't need to be grouped up for the speed of access, as opposed to regular HDD, where if the piece of data is written (physically on the disk) far away from the other pieces, the reading head will first need to move there to access it.
Not only it won't help, it will actually reduce the lifetime of your SSD, since they only have a limited amount of read/writes.
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seems like this is too sell V26
and cant seem to find an option to disable defrag on the SSDs and only do HDDs
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The only program I deem worth having is Diskeeper(now DymaxIO) from Condusiv Technologies which is preventing read/write IOs to your storage drives before they happen.
https://condusiv.com/products/diskeeper-now-dymaxio
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Downloaded and activated it, 'cuz you know, it's free, and i use a bunch of hdds for storing photos and movies. DON'T!! This is basically some kind of malware. After activation, i closed the software, then about an hour later i noticed massive lags while gaming. This sh*t started using one of my hard drives at 100% for no reason. I didn't start a defrag process. After that, i disabled auto start on boot. Today 5 mins after i started my pc, i noticed an hdd working really hard. It did the same thing again, without my consent. Uninstalled immediately. Not that i needed to defrag anything in the last 10 years.
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Just means it's set to auto -defrag ,pretty sure you can turn that off.
Says it here:
https://www.oo-software.com/en/press_releases/oo-defrag-22-ssds-langer-nutzen-dank-neuartiger-solid-methode
"Automatic defragmentation: Automatic defragmentation is enabled by default after the installation of O&O Defrag and optimizes the disks in the background without slowing down the performance of the computer"
Last part of that quote is not quite true :)
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Yep, that was a lie. Why is auto defrag even turned on? Whatever I'm not gonna reinstall it. Thanks for the clarification anyway.
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