Are you from the US? Who did/will/would you vote for?
Both Biden and Trump are severely flawed. Trump and republicans are like having to eat a giant one ton turd sandwich. Corporate dems are like having to eat a turd sundae, both bad, but republicans horrendously worse. Biden is less flawed, especially since facts prove Trump is anti-democratic fascist authoritarian criminal. Would rather have Bernie, but the ruling class wouldn't allow it.
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Trump may be many things but he's not a fascist so your correction just got illegitimized.
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from dictionary.com a fascist, a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.
from merriam-webster.com a fascist, a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
Literal definition of Trump!
Educate yourself.
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speaking of educating yourself...
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21521958/what-is-fascism-signs-donald-trump
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your article calls Trump an authoritarian right at the top. they also call him a kleptocrat, an oligarch, a xenophobe, a racist.
So you agree with this article?
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I understand you're probably just a revolting kid trying to find (him/her)self but you should really choose your words more carefully. And also take some extra time at reading classes. The article has a header which you cited and it said "you can call him a kleptocrat, an oligarch, a xenophobe or authoritarian" That means they do not call him that way (at least not the author) but you can because you can possibly fit that narrative onto him to a certain degree. Not the fascist. There's a big difference in the way they govern and it would've been probably above your comprehension skills to understand it so we leave it at that, okay?
So just take this as an opinion or maybe an advice (you can, of course, completely ignore) to replace that word with something else fitting the narrative .. for example "Trump is anti-liberal narcissistic autocrat".
Cheers =D
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you're losing, you're name calling now shows weakness.
the article was your example. I agree Trump is an authoritarian, kleptocrat, xenophobe, racist, but also fascist.
If you feel the need to defend or support Trump, you should probably take a good long look at yourself.
Trump and the criminal GOP are a grave threat to Truth, Justice and the American way!
here is another sign that Trump is a fascist, he is against Antifa, which seems to be because he knows they are against him, because they are against fascists!
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Antifa is a misnomer, don't get fooled by the name.
A significant aspect of fascism is "forcible suppression of opposition", which could describe physical violence or censorship towards those with opposing political views (such as with the so called "cancel culture"). As such those participating in riots (not to be confused with actual "peaceful protests", a term the media has bastardized), who are often referred to as 'antifa' or BLM members, are by definition themselves fascists when they attack people / statues of people / structures for their perceived beliefs. The same is true for anyone who uses a platform they have control over to censor / remove any opposition to their political stances.
As for Trump, afaik the main reason people are calling him a fascist these days is due to sending troops to protect federal buildings in otherwise Democrat run states/cities?
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um no and no. you are misinformed.
and way off track.
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Even back in last century Germany, Antifa existed as a terror group for Russia to spread Communism. The people are the same, the destruction is the same, the ideology is the same.
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you do know that were talking about current times in the US not unrelated things from last century?
Antifa in the US is a loose group of people against fascist.
apparently they get in fist fights with white supremacists. sometimes break windows.
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Nope. Antifa in Germany is a term and symbol for a loose organisation of left-wing groups and individuals fighting against facism, racism and other discrimination. While some of these might believe in communism, Marxism or socialism, Antifa didn't and doesn't exist for that reason (in Germany, can't judge US Antifa, since I don't know enough about it). Due to the loose organisation it also can't be called a terror group. Did you mean the RAF?
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Even back in last century Germany, Antifa existed as a terror group for Russia to spread Communism.
You wrote about Germany before.
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just to provide truth here for any reasonable person, Antifa is not terror group, FBI doesn't even list any domestic group as terror, the word used is Violent Extremist. Right wing propaganda and Trump have lied continuously about Antifa.
Trumps FBI does not list Antifa.
Four right wing groups and two left groups are listed as violent extremists. There are tons of articles about right wing extremist violence. Very very rarely is there any violence by left groups. FBI memo says white supremacists, racist terrorists are now greatest domestic violence threat.
https://cve.fbi.gov/whatare/?state=domestic
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/09/18/white-supremacists-domestic-terrorists-pose-biggest-threat-of-lethal-violence-this-election-dhs-assessment-finds/?sh=6b7bf0374287
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First you defend pedophiles, now you defend terrorists.
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you keep up your ad hominem attacks.
digging yourself a deeper hole.
you prove every time you don't like facts.
truth hurts your fragile ego.
i won't stoop to your level.
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Anarchist Extremists
What They Believe: Anarchist extremists believe that society should have no government, laws, or police, and they are loosely organized, >with no central leadership. Violent anarchist extremists believe that such a society can only be created through force.
Who or What They Target: Violent anarchist extremists usually target symbols of capitalism they believe to be the cause of all problems in >society—such as large corporations, government organizations, and police agencies. They damage property, cause riots, and set off >firebombs. In some cases, they have injured police officers.
So your only claim is that the "anarchist extremists" aren't Antifa when they so clearly are what Antifa has been their whole history all around the world? Do you even read what you use as "proof" when it clearly disagrees with you?
And to further prove your play on words useless:
Terrorism
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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Who is this bob who is wrong? Is it you? I don't like being wrong, which is why I'm right unlike you. You should try it sometimes.
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Quite the opposite. Why can't you answer any questions but constantly keep asking them yourself? Are you afraid that if you answer your foolishness will show? Always funny when silly trolls break into single action mode. Next would come only memes if you haven't progressed so far yet in your studies.
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you love trump. trump is the troll in chief. and right wing are known to be huge trolls.
so......conservatives like you always accuse people of doing what they do.
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I don't love Trump, sorry to spoil your yaoi fantasies or whatever that is. Do you love your precious Stalin then in that way?
I'm a conservative now? You seem to be the one accusing others here. So are you really talking about yourself and just projecting all your problems unto me?
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Dude, if you are not conservative, then you are really confused.
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Nope, you're still the confused one here. Has it ever occurred to you that there are people who do their own thinking without conservatism, liberalism, right wingism, left wingism or any other kind of -ism other than realism dictating how they can think?
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lol, dude, you are boot licking trump and hard core right wing defense.
so you are not thinking for yourself.
you really are in some alternate reality.
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"I’ve Resisted Calling Trump a Fascist. Not Anymore."
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ive-resisted-calling-trump-a-fascist-but-after-he-openly-endorsed-violence-not-anymore
another sign a politician is fascist, call for violence against their rivals. Trump has repeatedly and regularlly called for violence.
Trump is a despicable person. He should be prosecuted to the max by law, but US usually protects presidents even criminal ones.
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wow, you are very misinformed. Antifa literally means ANTI fascist!
BLM stands for black lives matter, people that believe police should stop killing unarmed black people.
although some people may commit violence that ascribe to one of those beliefs, there is no leadership advocating for violence, because there is no leadership, just people speaking out and protesting.
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They are calling for violence against their opponents.
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you misunderstand. individuals calling for violence is not fascist, it is just bad and illegal.
a political leaders calling for violence against their political rivals is one aspect of fascism.
what evidence do you have that any "leader" has called for violence? From their mouths, not rumor or right wing media lies.
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again, you misunderstand. celebrating is not calling for violence. and again, those are regular people, not political leaders.
so literally not. any actual evidence?
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and celebrate the death of another human being it's okay according to your standards?
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i didn't say that. you are the one making false claims.
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no you didn't, you made defamatory statements because you have no evidence to back up your claims, so you revert to typical right-wing loser tactics of name calling.
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Learn to read. Did you see the question mark at the end of the sentence?
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Read their Facebook maybe? They are known terrorists and well known to promote violence and destruction of public and private property. Maybe your country got super lucky and won the lottery and got the world's only peaceful and civilized terrorists. They haven't been about fascism since forever because there is none to be found, so they figured out they must violently protest to try to destroy peaceful western democracies instead to just have something to went their booze and pills fueled rage somewhere.
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Facebook is BS and has a bunch of crackpots posting. Maybe get your fact straight. You are just repeating right wing talking points, not reality.
And why are you commenting? This thread is about US. Since you don't live here you don't know about it other than media.
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I'm repeating what they talk on their own forums and what they do every time they riot around.
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@Starwhite: Just zone him out, he's got some screws loose and doesn't cope... there are no fascists in US, Antifa really is an anti-establishment terror group and they flaunt it in Oregon and Washington that they are not going to stop burning down cities now that Biden got declared winner. As per Oregonian "We don't want Biden - we want revenge" and as per PNWYLF twitter account "Fuck Trump, Fuck Biden, Fuck America!"
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what proof do you have "they", whoever they are, have their own forums? ie. Evidence.
link you provided is some random site not related to the topic.
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I have the proof of
1) There being forums and discussion boards or whatever kids today use meant for exactly the kind of delusional people who see fascists everywhere and must fight the "fascists" by rioting or instigating violence
2) "Them" then acting out their plans in real life
3) The #2 free media in the whole world reporting about "them" as their plans are acted out and found on the forums
If you wanted examples here you go: https://takku.net/ https://varisverkosto.com/
What proof do you exactly have? Of these mysterious non-terrorist anti-fascists who simply stay home silent because nobody has ever seen or heard them? That you imagine define the anti-fascist people more than the loud ones?
First Antifa member was Stalin who was so afraid that the "fascism" (read German military might) would spread to his precious communist countries and liberate people that he had to ally with the USA to fight this horrible menace. And since USA is the best friend to communist dictators they of course helped. That's who you are rooting for when crying that the evil fascism of western democracies must be replaced with anarchy.
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You have no proof for the US.
I am referring to the US only. your info is not relevant.
you are talking about some different group. totally different.
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So you have absolutely no proof of anything? Or do you just lack any free and objective media to tell you about such things?
I'm referring to the global which clearly includes the US as well. My information is both more relevant than your no information and obviously better informed since you have such difficulties with finding any information.
Nope, I'm talking about the exact same global group of people with a single agenda to crush civilization and replace it with anarchy. They aren't that different anywhere unlike they seem to have fooled you into thinking.
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you are wrong and you have been mislead.
pointless trying to explain things to people that will never listen or understand.
every time you give facts to right wingers they are like, but what about this conspiracy sites and what about these lies.
enough.
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No, you are wrong and you have been mislead.
Pointless trying to explain things to people that will never listen or understand.
Every time you give facts to left wingers they are like, but what about this conspiracy sites and what about these lies.
Enough.
So you still have nothing, absolutely nothing to give to this discussion other than that I should believe you more than #2 most free (if they take sides, it's the left/liberal/green one) media in the world and obvious sites with no conspiracies of any kind to be found, just anti-fascists and other kind of terrorist nutjobs talking about how best to ruin society?
Yeah enough until you come up with at least a shred of proof, even a tiny single bit of information to back up your claims. Or at least come up with something better describing a realist than right-winger. Right wing as in capitalism has some good ideas and so does left wing as in socialism. Neither of those have anything to do with the nutjobs breaking public and private property while rioting. Those wings are handled by the Parliament here where we have parties from all sides.
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nope, you are very very wrong. very pointless, because you won't listen. sad.
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Umm, how many times do I have to ask you to give me something to listen to? Still no proofs, not anything at all, just you repeating that everything is fake news except you. Yes it's very sad and pointless that drugged out kids imagine they are changing the world with terrorism. Is that your excuse too for being unable to provide anything to the discussion? Or are you just do dense that you imagine anyone believing only your word vs actual free media and other ample evidence?
You're sad because nobody believes your obvious lies that you can't back up with anything at all. I'm happy because I get to tell you how things actually are. Is this what you wanted, to be sad, or should you start using some better arguments than "me right, you wrong"? Either works for me as always.
Also found it hilarious that you think RSF is a conspiracy site apparently. https://rsf.org/en/news/us-rsf-calls-president-elect-biden-take-immediate-stand-press-freedom-0
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already provided proof. and right wingers are out of their minds with conspiracies.
your claim seems to be that Antifa is an international terror group. there is not evidence of that.
and I provided US FBI and US legitimate reporting as proof.
you seem to be in your own right wing alternate facts world. (ie lies)
good day sir.
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You didn't provide any proof of any kind. You're still claiming that free media is a right wing conspiracy. There is nothing but evidence against Antifa. You close your eyes to everything but couple reports that say nothing other than that they are too minor to be considered a real threat. Did you ever read their history or at least check Wikipedia for what they are about? Oh right, history and knowledge are right wing conspiracies.
No I live in the real world where both right wing nutjobs and left wing nutjobs like you belong in the trash. You both try to beat each other with lies nobody else believes and yet you imagine you're somehow better. Have you ever stopped to think for yourself without any -ism telling you what you can do?
And it seems like FBI has them clearly listed along their communist brethen.
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but aren't you a right wing nutjob?
life is just a fantasy, can you live this fantasy life? aldo wants to know.
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Since when am I anything like that? In your fantasies? Do you often have these fantasies? Was even Sanders too right for your communism?
To you it seems to be a constant fantasy. For that I am a bit jealous since I'm stuck with harsh reality.
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why won't you answer the questions? it's like you are a nutjob living on planet jubknob.
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I already did but since your reading skills seem lacking, here's a simplified version: no.
You seem to be the nutjob here who thinks that both free media and actual history are right wing conspiracies.
If you referred to some Aldo with your imaginary questions I can't answer, then I have no idea. Is that the German supermarket chain?
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Aldo? again, you don't know anything. since you are stuck on right wing nutjob sites only, you won't know.
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Aldo is a fashionable footwear company. You really seem to have a fondness to include random clothing companies in your delusions.
And once again free media is a right wing nutjob site... do you even hear what you sound like yourself?
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You are so smart, like the top in the smarts department.
Aldo Nova - Fantasy
Free media?
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Yes I actually am, thanks for noticing.
So some Canadian musician instead of Canadian footwear company. How American of you.
Yes, free media as ranked by the 2020 World Press Freedom Index like I have been trying to tell you by actually giving you a link where you could easily check it yourself instead of making obscure cultural references like you. Here let me help you once again: https://rsf.org/en/ranking
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again, you're not noticing the sarcasm.
so what about RSF?
i don't disagree with those rankings.
i don't think you think it means what you think it does.
Free Press doesn't mean truthful press. It just means press doesn't have the government interfering, which is good.
But a right wing media companies is free to lie more in a place that has more freedom.
The left believes in truth, even if it doesn't help their cause.
The right lies to help their cause, even if it hurts the majority of people.
Corporate media is neither left or right, just whatever makes most money.
So which side are you on? Seems obvious.
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Yes I am noticing your weak attempts at sarcasm but just countering them with far better quality one.
You don't disagree with the ranking but claim they are right wing conspiracies.
I don't think you think much at all so what it contains is quite irrelevant.
At least you agree that government control over the press is a bad thing, that's a nice start.
But still you imagine that free press can only ever mean right wing and lying when it's quite obviously the opposite, everyone is free to tell their side of things and sane readers can then decide what to believe.
The left believes in truth ... you really are a lost cause. I'm sure you imagine that your idol country USSR was the home of freedom and truth. The left wing believes in left wing propaganda just as the right wing believes in right wing propaganda. I still unlike you believe in neither since information isn't about religion.
The left lies to help their cause, even if it hurts the majority of people.
Corporate media in the free world is controlled by other corporate media making fun of them if they fall for either win propaganda. Then we have media for most political parties to fill in the biased views.
I'm on the side of truth and realism while you're on the side of lies and any -ism dictating how you can think. Seems obvious, that we can agree on. Truth is neither right or left, it just is.
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Don't say bye to yourself even if you finally admitted that you're a lost cause.
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True, there is no winning against a toxic insane sock puppet.
I went into the insane asylum to see a patient, tried to explain reality, but obviously a lost cause.
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Not true, I'm winning against you quite easily.
You went to the insane asylum, finally something that everyone can believe.
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In Communist East Germany, "anti-fascism" as interpreted within the Communist movement was part of the official ideology and language of the Communist state, and the original Antifaschistische Aktion ("Anti-Fascist Action") of the Communist Party of Germany was considered an important part of the heritage of the governing Socialist Unity Party of Germany
History, the more you learn the less you believe. Maybe you will learn it in school too some year?
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And communism is the facist employment of socialist and marxist ideologies. Maybe you should try school.
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I have no need to try something I have already finished long time ago. Maybe you should read actual history. Or even talk to people who lived in those times while there still is a chance.
Yes communists were fascists, but antifascism was their invention to call everyone anti-Soviet a fascist to justify mass murdering them in gulags or taking over half of Europe. Thus was born Antifa, the communist terrorist group with only the goal to destroy western democratic civilizations with anarchy. What part of this is beyond your understanding?
The real meaning of fascism where only actual fascists are fascists VS the terrorist meaning of fascism where everyone who disagrees with your anarchistic agenda is a fascist. Antifa uses only the latter to justify destroying property and attacking people.
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According to Norman Davies, the concept of "anti-fascism" as used by the KPD originated as an ideological construct of the Soviet Union, >where the epithets fascist and fascism were primarily and widely used to describe capitalist society in general and virtually any anti-Soviet >or anti-Stalinist activity or opinion.
Antifa means Pro-Stalinist, the more you know the less you spout left-wing propaganda.
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No, they belong in the same trash pile as communists, terrorists, extremists and other such. And that is actual fascists, not western democratic capitalist enemies of Soviet Union.
So you think trash is good?
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Yeah right. Since I don't like one thing, I must right away like the equally unlikeable opposite thing. What kind of logic is that? Did you even think for a minute about it?
"If you don't like Christian priests raping young children, you must be a Muslim terrorist". Did that sound logical to you as well?
Also funny how Antifa is the only time you can use a capital letter, they must really have brainwashed you.
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gawd you are dense. there are two sides. you are a fascists or you are anti-fascist.
duh.
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I guess that's the only thing that fits into your black&white mind. With that logic your hate of Trump makes you non-American so you must live in Soviet Russia.
Let me surprise you by telling that the real world has all shades of gray and even other colors on top.
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Born and raised in USA. You are the tops on the smarts department, like you said. So smart.
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No no, you argued that if you're against something then you must be the exact opposite. So were you completely wrong or are you a Soviet Russian, those are your only 2 choices since there can only ever be 2.
You being raised in a country without a real education system really does show.
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nope, again, your right wing logic, twisted and wrong.
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That is your logic that I'm just handing back, but you are too far gone in your left wing conspiracies to even notice.
So then you admit that you were completely wrong I guess. How nice of you, but instead of keeping doing that you maybe should come up with some real arguments?
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you wouldn't know logic if it slapped you in the face.
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Trump has committed a huge list of criminal acts. You should educate yourself. Don't be a sad baby.
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Trump has been accused by dozens of women of sexual assault. Trump is currently being sued for sexual assault and rape.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sexual-assault-allegations-all-list-misconduct-karen-johnson-how-many-a9149216.html
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well you really got me, touching shoulders is so much worse than sexual assault and rape.
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The stuff he does to children is creepy and is like pedophilia/sexual assault. Just taking long whiffs of children while holding them in place.
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Trump was literally good friends with Jeffrey Epstein.
Trump flew on Jeffrey Epstein's sex plane, the Lolita Express.
All the Q asshats thinking Trump is going to protect the kids, when Trump seems to literally be a Pedo.
And Trump grossly talked about sex with his young daughter. Get a clue.
So Biden did some creepy stuff, not good, but Trump is way criminally worse.
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I don't see where he was on the plane, but Biden was.
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whatever dude. you seem to be blind on purpose. Trump is a monster. I don't like Biden.
But Trump is sick psycho. Biden is a typical Corporate dem (80s Republican).
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yes, that is the world we live in. we don't get to have nice things, because ruling class will not allow it. so two bad guys to choose from. One a monster, the other a shit bag.
I choose the shit bag over the monster.
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Only if I was living in USA. So, no. But you are living there... so you lose.
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What do you won? You'll get a better salary? USA will not make any more wars? Your health system will be free?
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Despotism? of course, because the President is the only branch of the USA government. Burned.
In the last years, no wars thanks to Trump. Burned.
The most funny thing is an american talking about human rights. Because of their highest reported criminal incarceration rate, racial justice problems, high quantity of kids in juvenile justice systems, secret surveillance on his own people, and countless of war initiatives. Also Guantanamo. Who has a very loose human rights problem?
Mapuches aren't the problem, they're respected as ancestral culture. The problem are the terrorist infiltrated in their communities, you should read about it.
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So Trump didn't start any war? Burned.
Yeah, you living in a far away country will know more than me, living just right here. They're so oppresed that they have a lot of benefits and subsidies to everything, from schooling, work and living place.
Finally, try to debate, your personal attacks only show the weakness of your arguments.
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So you do the same? creepy.
Only a pedo could defend another pedo.
Creepy.
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because you say it? lol
So it's okay to support a pedo? Nice one
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Creepy enabler. You are a terrible human being who excuses all sorts of crimes because they are on your side.
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i didn't say anything about being on any side. I don't like either side. I can see how one side is worse than the other.
Again, name calling because you have weak argument.
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he's a trump supporter, that's what they do. troll by nature. anytime they appear to be in the wrong, it's because the whole world is against them in a giant international conspiracy. many of them have their head so far up trump's ass that they're unable to admit he's done anything wrong during his presidency - let alone, before it. politicians lie, it's what they do. nobody is perfect, certainly not any elected politician. they don't budge, it's like arguing with a brick wall. blind and senseless. it would be hilarious if it weren't so harmful.
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Yet you spout the lies from one side and say everyone arguing facts against those lies must be on the other side.
So you fully admit to losing the argument against me because your weak arguments contained name calling?
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There you go with more personal attack when by your own definition you have lost the argument.
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lol. not a personal attack. literally not anything about you. just have you been drinking?
you seem very confused.
also I did say, good day sir.
now the third time. you don't seem to be getting the hint.
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Not really lately. You're still the confused one here, trying to fight logic and facts with your personal attacks since that's the only thing you got left.
Are you trying a magic spell saying good day 3 times and waiting for something to appear from the mirror or what? Let me spoil it for you, it only works in movies.
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um you don't understand logic. and apparently you don't understand a lot of things.
are you one of the TFG?
seems like it.
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I understand far more than you ever will apparently. Have you tried the thinking I've been suggesting yet?
Google suggests that TFG is an African retail clothing store chain and you imagine I'm one store? You really should consult someone with those delusions.
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Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't make them dangerous.
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well 'lies' doesn't mean i disagree, it means he's factually wrong. if i tell someone if they jumped off a building onto concrete 100' down that they'd be okay, that's a dangerous lie (if they're stupid enough to believe me). if the president of the united states tells its citizens that coronavirus is just like the yearly flu and not to wear masks.. i'd say that's literally putting lives at danger i.e. 'dangerous'. there's a reason why covid cases have skyrocketed in america, and not the rest of the world. oh wait, it's all a crazy international conspiracy by the democrats and covid is magically going to disappear once the election is over, right? because that's what trump thinks, and it's dangerous.
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The yearly flu is much more dangerous since it can kill the very young and beer virus cases are skyrocketing around parts of the world. Some countries are trying to shut down again. Masks don't even work unless you use the N-95. Fauci even said masks don't work.
The worst outbreak humanity ever had and off the shelf masks are supposed to protect people from it?
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facepalm
twist words however you want. you can still get sick while wearing a mask, be it cotton cloth or n-95.. both are still much better than no mask at all. n-95 is called such because it filters 95% of particles in the air. that leaves 5% making its way in.. because people still have to breath. they even make n-99 masks, but there is no such thing as an n-100 mask. not everyone can get a hold of n-95 masks, so many defer to using cotton masks because they're cheap and plentiful. just because you can still get sick while wearing a mask doesn't mean you shouldn't wear one. it significantly lowers your chances. the only way to guarantee you don't get sick is by not encountering the virus.
also again with your definition of 'dangerous'. i'd say covid is more dangerous than the yearly flu since it has a higher mortality rate, but you do you. we also have a vaccine for the yearly flu.
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And you ignored everything else. I see how this will go. I rest my case and Trump still did nothing wrong.
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thank you for resting your case.
your weak ass case is so weak, no rational person agrees. congrats!
rofl
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It seems wearing any mask would be better than no mask at all. Much of what I've read supports that idea at least. One article in particular (written by a biochemist) that I read recently goes into a fair bit of detail and and seems to make a sound argument that wearing a mask, in general, is actually worse than not wearing a mask although it may be helpful in specific and controlled settings.
https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/
I wish the experts could come to some kind of consensus.
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You state lies or half truths as fact so regularly.
Fauci stated early that people didn't need masks, because front line workers desperately needed the masks and there was a shortage of masks. The orange orangutan in the white house closed the pandemic response team and let the mask supply expire.
Fauci later stated masks were important to protect yourself and other from the dangerous covid-19 virus.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/06/17/fauci-masks-n2570789
N-95 and N-99 is best, but any mask except for stupid gaiter/bandanna, will protect against covid-19 spread.
https://www.sciencealert.com/some-masks-are-better-than-others-here-they-are-ranked-best-to-worst
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Joe Biden 1 - 0 Crook Oompa Loompa. Now the world can start to go back to normal.
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Congratulations USA! I hope you´ll get a smooth ride through the rest of the tunnel, but at least theres finally a light at the end!
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Would you mind elaborating the similarities you see betwen Biden and Bolsonaro? Just asking, because so far there were many similarities between Trump and him.. not only how they speak about and manage the Corona crisis.
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Just saying USA now is beyond salvation, I didn't saw the campaign of Biden.
Trump wasn't good as I thought he would be, but at last his mental state is ok.
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2020's been rough, but Trump losing the presidency at least puts a bandaid on it. Super thankful the ridiculous nightmare is over.
Still, considering the absolutely flabbergasting number of people who still elected to vote for him after 4 years of this BS, I'm dreading the day a "new" Trump -- one who's actually charismatic, eloquent, politically shrewd, and doesn't have the temperament of a toddler -- takes his place and helps ruin the planet at an even faster rate. For now, I'm just hoping for 4 years of relative respite from the nonsense.
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2020's been rough, but Trump losing the presidency at least puts a bandaid on it. Super thankful the ridiculous nightmare is over.
Amen.
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2020 had one chance of redeeming itself. Thankfully it took it. Now let's see how much time he's going to try a coup before being dragged out of the white house.
It's a long road ahead just to undo all the harm he's done in 4 years.
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He'll go if he's gonna lose legal battle at court. I hope he won't though, it was clearly a fraud with ballots.
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lol yeah right. The army will have to drag him out. He's such a narcissist he just can't admit he lost. He was calling results by himself hours before any official result was called. But hey sore losers and voters fraud; that's hilarious, coming from the President who literally was put in power by Russia, and there was actual evidence of that.
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Oh, so you are one of those who say 2016 was a voter fraud and 2020 is legit. Right, whatever works best for me, right :)
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well the 2016 election was already investigated and proof was found. we'll just have to see how the inevitable 2020 investigation plays out. i really hope this doesn't become a trend..
i highly suspect there was voter fraud committed by both sides, but i highly doubt it was enough to sway the results.
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He already said something along the lines of "Oh well, I'll just run again in 2024"
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Not American but very concerned that 70 million people thought that Trump for another 4 years was a good idea. I see that people are here calling Biden senile or a pedophile. I mean it's concerning, are you okay? Like seriously are you okay? Because like I see Joe, who occasionally stumbles over words and shrug my shoulders, because public speaking is hard, and he overcame a speech impediment. I listen to Trump and I have zero idea what he's saying.
My only critique of Biden is that for some reason he's trying to be like UNITY, which quite frankly is a crock of shit. The moment that people started to show up and demand that the vote stop being counted, showed not only that the country is deeply divided, but it also showed why democracy is failing. Democracy only works with a well educated public. 70 million people voted for Trump, and while people might suggest it shows that 70 million people are racist, homophobic, okay with genocide on their borders, or simple cruelty, I honestly think it shows something entirely different. If you want unity Joe then we have to all agree that the sky is blue, they don't. They also think you stole an election so I mean that's going to be a fun four years.
For years Republicans have been complaining about coastal elites, in their big fancy mansions thinking that they know best. They've denigrated university, slashed funding to public schools, tried to pull money out of the system that is meant for everyone to put into charter schools. Teachers getting paid less, schools in absolute disarray. Huge sections of the population are functionally illiterate all while the price of university in the states has sky rocketed. They've preached a blind allegiance and denigrated those who spoke up for what they believe in.
All the while the democrats have been moving further to the right, to try and retain power, in the most spineless way. This is not a both sides argument, both sides are corrupt they suck at the teat of big corporations and quite frankly most of these senators and congressmen do not represent the people, most of them are millionaires, who use the system to increase their wealth. And you still vote them in. I'm not saying AOC or the "squad" is the answer, but at least they are trying to represent their constituents rather than big corporations. I'm not fond of the democrats because I honestly think that they're the least effective group of people I have ever seen. They pass bills
These people aren't educated. They lack the knowledge of civics, history, they want someone to tell them what they want to hear. Yes some are racist, some are xenophobic, some only care about abortion rights in America, or they fear a boogeyman. They think that they're being persecuted. Throw in rampant individualism and honestly the fact that so many people got sucked into the cult of trump is not surprising. This isn't a problem that is going to go away America. So I'm still concerned because it's a long time till Joe Biden gets sworn in and even if he is a Lame Duck he's still dangerous.
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Ok so let's put away the "Orange man is baaad" speech for a second, okay ? Or that Biden is maybe senile.
Let's just concentrate only on some of Biden promises on presidency:
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15 dollars per hour instead of 7,25 per hour. Wow, that's amazing right ? Except... It's not good news: if you increase the minimal wage in your country, the cost of life is just going to increase as well, while the value of your money drops at the international state because if you needs more money to buy something equivalent elsewhere, your money is just less powerful.
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He wants to diminishes unemployment which is a really good idea. To create these jobs he's going to need money thet he will get from the rich and the bigger companies. Right, so... If you are rich and suddently taxes increase, what will you do ? Pay or relocate where where you can have less taxes and cheaper labour ?
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The objective of carbon neutrality is good, the road is long still, but it's a good idea. As well as increasing public transportation.
However as he said in his speeches, he want to diminishes petroleum and gas expoitations, fracking (+1 for the last because it's really an ecologic disaster, even more than the two others). And those exploitations at at the core of the US economy, basically it's one of the reasons the US is one of the strongest countries on the planet. In europe we started years ago to have more renewable power sources and it's still not efficient yet. -
About opening the US borders for arabic countries as well as dismanteling the mexican wall: Cartels are not a story you tell at your kids before bed to make them afraid of the big wide word, as well as terrorist attacks stories. Both these things are real. I'm not saying arabic people are all terrorists. I'm not saying that all mexican people are cartels members. I'm saying there is a security risk for the country, and that doing something is better than doing nothing about it. I love immigrant workers, and they all do deserve a chance in europe or in america. But keep in mind, among all these people, some are not going in the US for slumber parties.
So, yea... Just checking simple facts, it seems that the US, that maybe got struck the hardest by covid is just going to sink in another economic crisis. Just because Biden is the nicer guy.
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Your theory about minimum wage hurting quality of life is wrong - https://www.penncapital-star.com/commentary/five-myths-about-raising-the-minimum-wage-debunked-opinion/
Your theory about corporate tax increase being possibly harmful is wrong - https://americansfortaxfairness.org/tax-fairness-briefing-booklet/fact-sheet-corporate-tax-rates/
Your theory about opening borders leading to more crime is wrong, anecdotal at best and racist at worst
But hey, we agree fracking is bad
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I don't say minimum wage increase diminishes the quality of life. I'm just saying it doesn't improves it. Since the price of everyting is rising including your pay, it doesn't change anything for the average person. (I can't acess your site so I can't verify your info)
Well, about corporate tax it's not a therory. In France we verified it with our big companies relocating to asia after we got François Hollande elected and that he increased taxes on the riches dramatically. Many rich people switched nationalities, moved to other countries and so on. It was on every TV channel back in the day. I was a kid at the time but I remember pretty well. In the end it did nothing good to the economy. His promise to invert the unemployment tendency never worked. And it was a disaster for the small shops that got so many taxes they were unlikely to survive more than three years. The only thing good from his presidency was LGBT marriage I guess...
Doing taxes is good, and if you have the money to pay it's better. But too much taxes just kills the employment, because your jobs from big companies are just going to move in another country with basic supply and demands law. It's really important to prevent big companies from avoiding taxes. But they always have a choice to move elsewhere where they are not bothered by laws that put taxes on them.
Medium or small companies don't do such things but they are the first impacted by these kind of laws: they can't just "run away". as a result they are likely to deperish. Instead of raising taxes on all companies, doing specific laws against tax avoidance is a better solution I think. It punishes the true culprits.
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-taxes-affect-economy-short-run (Got one site basically doing a short explanation of taxes rise or drop and their effects, yours is really good tho !).
I agree opening or closing borders does not impact crime rates. Criminals do not need open borders to do their dirty jobs as they will do wrongs anyway. But limited access to a country is more likely to slow down crime to come from outside the borders. It's probably not the best solution tho as it also impacts regular migrants workers, but I think it could help to a small extent. (Tho I'm really not a specialist on the matter)
Yea, at least we agree on ecology XD
I'm pretty sure ecology is a keystone to modern politics !
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https://satwcomic.com/sauna-for-a-king
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report
I'll just leave these here so we can see how much having to pay slaves actual money hurts your quality of living.
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You do realize that taxes are not a one size fit all right? Like people who aren't making as much money will not be forced to pay the same amount right? Like increasing taxes on Amazon and apple will not necessarily increase the taxes on lets say the pizza joint down the street. That's not how it works. Last year Amazon paid a 1.2% tax rate on $13,285,000,000 in profit for 2019. My tax rate is higher than 1.2%, far higher. Do you honestly believe that amazon is going to start firing people if it went up to lets say 3% No? Maybe 5%? Anymore than they fire people now for trying to unionize? You know who probably paid more in taxes than amazon? That pizza joint down the street, and I'm talking the percent of their profits.
I kind of rest my case on the lack of education thing, because you don't actually know how taxes work, and are basically repeating talking points from a point of view and if amazon and apple want to fuck off to China that will be bad as if their competition wouldn't swoop in with some they're unpatriotic they want to use slave labor. Also you're basically seeing human greed and thinking well that's fine, that Johnnie wants to get matching yachts for him and the missus, that they're willing to get slave labour for their products. Yes let's all praise how that's a good thing, that corporations basically get to pillage developing nations and treat them like shit because their government doesn't have worker protections.I mean come on.
Taxes aren't the enemy, how they spend your tax money is the problem.
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Taxes is a good thing. But in moderate, appropriate amounts.
Human greed is obviously a bad thing, but it have it's roots so deep in modern society that I don't think pointing out that it's bad and making punishing laws about it is going to change things. Things need to change, it's obvious that the situation have degenerated to complete nonsense.
But I don't think that money is the real core of the problem actually. It contributes a lot, but it's not the main thing.
Disrespect, scorn. This is a thing that happens in all the levels of society, even in the streets. Inequalities are a thing and it's not okay at all, but maybe they are mainly caused by that mentality more than the disparity in revenue.
From my limited experience on taxes (never had a buisness and I didn't work much, I'm still a student), I know that all campagn promises a bit on the left side starts with "Making big companies pay/rich people" and often backtrack to "making middle class and small buisness pay" cause the big companies and rich people have the power and will leave if you don't play by their rules. Small buisnesses and average people however can't just run away if they are in an hostile environment, especially with taxes coming upon their heads. So they mostly just silently endure the injustice.
Of course they won't pay the same amount as amazon, it's obvious they can't. But they will probably pay one month, two month of profit a year to the state. And none of this is normal since even the sucessful small buinesses have issues to keep their shops open because of that.
Only because the richer won't pay a penny for those they only have disgust to.
So in my opinion, as all states needs money to function, they will sure get their taxes paid, just not by the ones that should pay it the most.
Raising taxes in my opinion is only benefits for big companies as it gets harder for their smaller competitors to stay afloat.
It's always like this.
Just voting for the right side won't make it effective necesarily cause all the system is corrupt, despite the political view of the president.
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The problem is you're comparing apple and cars basically. Democrats are not a left wing party, they're center left. France doesn't have a left wing party, they have a civil servant party. The only people they care about are fonctionnaires so they are not leading a left wing strategy.
The economy tanked under Hollande because he was a poor leader with no coalition and because they allowed strikes to go on for so long that small shops paid the price.
Taxes are the price we pay for living in a society. However when they are used essentially to pay for a broken public education with three teachers paid for one job, and civil servants being the only ones whose salary follows inflation, without a single move made to improve the life of other people, those not working, those not educated enough, those living in the street, small businesses, it's a recipe for disaster.
The situation is different in the US. What Americans consider high taxes would make you laugh your ass off as a French citizen under any government, left or right.
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Democrats are center right at best other than maybe Sanders and I laugh at your pitifully low taxes :P
We have an actual left wing party in the government too, the Left Alliance that ate the Communist party and other smaller ones.
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15 dollars per hour instead of 7,25 per hour. Wow, that's amazing right ? Except... It's not good news: if you increase the minimal wage in your country, the cost of life is just going to increase as well, while the value of your money drops at the international state because if you needs more money to buy something equivalent elsewhere, your money is just less powerful.
just wanted to point out that even though the federal minimum wage is currently $7.25, the majority of states (and some cities) have already increased theirs - as high as $13.50 in washington. source more info
washington dc and new york city are already at $15.
also the cost of life has already been increasing, with most people's wages not following suit. this is long overdue. companies are already making insane amounts of money. ceos get paid literally obscene amounts of money, they can afford to keep their prices right where they are, and if they increase them with the upcoming minimum wage increase, then they are in the wrong. many xillionaires have so much money they don't know what to do with that they turn to philanthropy to redistribute their wealth. i'm all for that, but how about just giving some of that to your employees instead so they aren't living paycheck to paycheck?
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Oh I didn't knew that, but I guess it's because I'm not familiar with the federal system.
The major problem of raising the minimum wage is that companies will raise their prices accordingly only because labour is more expensive and as a result their function costs raise. Considering that big companies are very present in the economy/in the market, this will impact all sectors of the economy, and like a game of dominoes, it will raise the price of everything one way or another.
Of course many big companies earn enough to not do that. But they will anyway. Probably when you earn too much money you only care about the number going up.
I know some companies that try to be more humane with their workers and pay them more/make them own a part of the company, but they are too few of them...
So... In my opinion, even if the idea of raising minimum wage seems to be a good idea, especially for the families that have the most difficulties getting to the end of the month without their fridge getting empty... It won't resolve the problem at all.
I hate this kind of political campaign promises becaiuse it's only cheap bait for people that are in great difficulties to secure their vote.
It's nothing more to me.
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He wants to diminishes unemployment which is a really good idea. To create these jobs he's going to need money thet he will get from the rich and the bigger companies. Right, so... If you are rich and suddently taxes increase, what will you do ? Pay or relocate where where you can have less taxes and cheaper labour ?
By your standards, you know what would solve unemployment? Slavery.
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China
[Edit to clarify things] China is already enslaving their own people, restraining their liberties, making them work for pennies not even talking about children labour or Uighurs camps that are so revolting, discuting... There are not enough words to describe how wrong this is.
Their population is monitored 24/7 by cameras and you can be punished for litteraly playing too much videogames, for being a bad citizen according to the standards of the party.There, you are not even free to think what you want as it can cause you problems at best.
And still, companies often go there to have cheaper labour while still making u pay the same price despite the quality dropping.
When I say companies often follow this rule, I'm not saying it's good. I'm not saying it doesn't need to be changed, cause it's very wrong in many ways. But raising taxes is not the solution for making this problem dissapear, cause it will not dissapear in the blink of an eye and certainly not by encouraging this behaviour by companies.
Not saying either that companies should not pay. Of course they have their share of taxes to pay, and they should totally share what they earn with the state, with their employees and everything. But it can only work with moderate amounts.
Probably restraining companies to relocate in a country that authorize slavery would help, but even for China it's not even counted as slavery despite having litteraly concentration camps for Uighur people.
Our modern society is built on some sort of slavery, it's just not only about black people anymore. In every way, slavery is wrong and needs to be abolished. People have dignity, and it needs to be respected. And freedom is the only way to that + making laws and educating people.
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i need to preface what i'm about to say with a few things. i live in a very republican state. my family is from another republican state. literally my entire family excluding my father, sister, and two cousins voted for trump, and the large majority of my friends did as well. in case you missed any of my other comments on this thread, i'm staunchly anti-trump and historically left-leaning, though i wouldn't really call myself a democrat, a liberal, but not democrat. i'm not really down with the whole "two party, us vs. them" mentality. i realize you may already know some of what i'm about to say, but since you aren't american, i want to tell you how trump got some of his votes, at least from my perspective.
just because the republican party is the choice of racists and bigots doesn't mean that only racists and bigots vote for trump. i can absolutely promise you that. many people don't follow politics enough to realize exactly what's going on. many people don't know trump well enough to realize that he's a pathologically lying narcissist. many people only get their news from talk around work or between friends, maybe little snippits from the news. we should be able to believe everything that our president tells us, and when people take that on blind faith, bad things happen. if everyone believed what trump says, he would have won every state by a landslide. hell, we would probably reform the entire government and make him king. but like i said, he's a pathological liar, and fortunately for everyone, more than 75,000,000 americans know that. those people you see on tv at trump rallies don't represent all republican voters. many just don't see the whole picture, or can't bring themselves to vote democrat, because they're simply just life-long republicans (conservative).
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many people don't follow politics enough to realize exactly what's going on. many people don't know trump well enough to realize that he's a pathologically lying narcissist
Then they have no business voting, no offense to your family and friends. People who vote (left or right) without knowing anything, just to spite the other side, should get their vote taken away from them. It's American Idol now. And it shouldn't be.
if everyone believed what trump says, he would have won every state by a landslide.
Exactly. He started spreading lies about voting fraud months before the election even started, because he was down in the polls. Hell, even in 2016, he started hours before the election was called for him saying there was "reports of problems with voting machines" because he was afraid he was going to lose so he was prepping the excuse to soften the blow to his ego.
My dad was a narcissist, I know how they work. He is mentally ill. He just can't accept he lost.
Now what's the excuse of all his supporters?
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Democracy dies without a well-informed electorate. If they can't be bothered to do the work then they shouldn't be voting. At this point in time in Canada I'm basically a three issue voter, who is going to break up the monopoly for the big 3 telecommunication companies, who is going to start investing in medical schools increasing the number of doctors so we aren't in a doctor shortage, and putting dental care and vision care in the health act of Canada. These are the issues that I care about in Canada, even if the conservative party of Canada was like we're going to do all of that, but we're also going to you know ban gay marriage, or ban abortion, they wouldn't get my vote. Keep in mind these are things I want, why? Because I live in a society and those other things affect me too.
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You are absolutely right. I have voted for candidates I didn't want in charge before, just so the far right xenophobic misogynistic homophobic candidate wouldn't win. I get your point.
When it's between a candidate that is not going to favor me and a candidate who's not going to favor anyone, I pick the one who's not going to favor me. It's a responsibility to society, and by that I mean friends and strangers alike.
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Then they have no business voting, no offense to your family and friends. People who vote (left or right) without knowing anything, just to spite the other side, should get their vote taken away from them.
as much as i want trump to have as few votes as possible, i gotta disagree with you hard here. voting is a right and should be taken advantage of, unless it's up to chance like a flip of a coin, everyone should vote and that vote should be counted. i think these days it's pretty hard to not know something about either candidate. i mean even at the most basic level most everyone knows that republicans are conservative and democrats are liberal. that alone tells a lot about a candidate and what to expect of them if elected, and that's enough for a lot people, and it's okay. personally i think you should know more about whom you're voting for, but i wouldn't suggest that they don't deserve a vote. many republican voters know trump has a shit personality, but when it comes to a conservative candidate, he's literally the only choice. the fact that every four years it realistically comes down to only two choices is pretty fucked. the parties, the voting process, electoral college, it's all fucked. it should be better, but that's just an opinion.
i just really, really hope that come january 20 the republican party can go back to being one we love to hate, instead of hate to hate. this whole 'alt-right' movement fueled by hate, fear and bigotry bullshit needs to die out. that's really all i can hope for anytime soon.
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"this whole 'alt-right' movement fueled by hate, fear and bigotry bullshit needs to die out. that's really all i can hope for anytime soon."
Hate is not a one way street. The 'alt-left' is also fueled by hate, fear and bigotry. BOTH groups are at each others throats anytime they come in contact. The bullshit wont stop until both groups can become civil about their differences.
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i agree, but people with extremely opposing opinions are going to hate each other until the end of time. they certainly don't belong in the white house though.
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Again, democracy dies without a well informed electorate. I don't think that they should lose the right to vote, I think they simply shouldn't vote if they can't take 10 minutes out of their day to learn about what each candidate stands for, and maybe a simple explanation as to why that policy might help or not.
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i can't speak for my friends/family directly, but i'm just telling it as best i can. like i said, at a basic level, of course they know what the two candidates stand for (conservative/liberal), just not every policy. maybe they just don't believe the bad things they hear, or downplay its severity to justify it to themselves. people wanna believe in the president and what he says, and should be able to. i tell them bad things about trump and i always get the same replies - "pff c'mon he's not that bad." "oh that's not real, it's fake news." "at least he gets stuff done." "yeah well the democrats wanna do blah blah blah." etc. because that's the shit the president (and some news media) repeats. not everyone is gonna take the time to go online and fact-check, certainly not senior citizens. i 100% agree voters should be as informed as possible, but it's unreasonable to think they all will be. not to mention it's tough to change a person's opinion once they're settled it. you can't just say some bad things a candidate did and expect it to be like flipping a switch. there's some residual skepticism that needs to build up over time. as far as people who know literally nothing about a candidate, i doubt they're gonna take the time to go vote on something they obviously don't care about. i don't know, maybe some people, but certainly none that i know of.
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If your friends would do fact-checking they'd know that Trump administrative has many beneficial achievements for which media do not like to give him credit for. But I'm sure they are happy about them too.
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i agree trump has done some good things in office, and i think it would be disingenuous for a republican to say obama did nothing good while he was in office, or that biden will do nothing good. i think it's nigh impossible to find a perfect president, or one that's universally hated.
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couple links from the washington post. these are just one person's opinion, and some of them i'd put on a 'worst' list, but there are some good things. i'm finding it really difficult to find a 'good things' list written from a leftist's point of view.
if you need to get past the subscription paywell, just open the links in incognito/private mode.
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I'm sure I posted my opinion elsewhere here already but since someone else posted a link from Ben Shapiro summarizing his achievements, it will be easier to just re-present that.
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"No matter who you vote for, it's always between a giant douche and a turd sandwich"
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I've got nothing original to say, just want to congratulate all sane Americans on finally getting rid of this repulsive creature (I might be a bit sceptical about Biden, but at this point almost anyone is a better choice than Trump).
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(I might be a bit sceptical about Biden, but at this point almost anyone is a better choice than Trump).
At this point, Trump makes me miss GW. He might have been an idiot but at least he wasn't insane.
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No, GW was one of the worst presidents of all time, maybe worse and more harmful than Trump. Having a needle in your eye doesn't make you miss the time you had a needle in your dick
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i know what you mean. gw was a shit president, but i feel like i could still enjoy a beer with the guy.
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You could toast to the 100000 Iraqi civilians he murdered
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i never said i like him nor do i or do i agree with how he spent his 8 years in office. i was just trying to make a statement about his personality - how he appears to conduct himself. it's a stark contrast to trump's personality.
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Nothing against you, you seem level headed. Just do not rehabilitate GW's image so lightly. He is a corrupt war criminal
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no, you're right. i really meant it more figuratively than literally. sometimes it's difficult to convey your true meaning behind a keyboard.
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To clear that up for others, guess you are talking about George W. Bush and not George Washington. ;)
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This was actually pretty confusing indeed, I had to google to confirm my obvious version about who this GW was. Don't know about other countries, but here in Russia he is known as George Bush Junior because we don't have this middle name thing - just like Americans avoid patronymic "Vladimirovich" while mentioning Putin, for instance.
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i'm used to hearing him be referred to as george w, and his dad as george hw, or bush jr and bush sr.
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Hahah yeah I was talking about Dubya. Not Georgie. Washington owned slaves but he was no dumbass.
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Interesting observation here. Check all the big vocal anti-Trumpers and those who are pro-Trump's profiles and see which ones do more giveaways, both in numbers, and without restrictions, while the other side generally gives less or has all of their giveaways group or whitelist restricted.
Pretty fascinating.
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lol I don't know what one has to do with the other because I have not checked but I'm pretty sure there are people on both sides. The "big vocal Anti-Trumpers" and the "big vocal pro Trumpets"
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Fascinating how easily people like you out themselves.
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I'm too lazy to count those, which side should I support based on my stats?
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Also, a test of validated ballots with watermarks was done by a Quantum Computer. The result showed President Trump “won re-election by over 80% of the legal ballot cast”.
These should come with a warning label that they can be lethal. But who can argue with a Quantum Computer?
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Dealing with Denial at this point is a very complex problem in the US, not surprised to see Quantum Computers being used to check watermarks
well...im sold, Trump is the legitimate winner, and as soon as you go back to memeing the closer to normalcy we will be
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Yes finally electronic calculators have found other uses than just plunging levers down with eye beams.
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Remember this day, if there ever is a machine revolt, we only have trump to blame for introducing quantum computers to the world of politics.
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In this corner the reigning champion Dominion Voting Computers. And in this corner the challenger Quantum Computers.
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Surely "gnews.org" is a reliable source of information
Guo Wengui (Chinese: 郭文贵; born May 10, 1970—self claim[2] or October 5, 1968[3]), also known under the names Guo Wen Gui, Guo Haoyun (郭浩云), Miles Guo, and Miles Kwok,[4] is an exiled Chinese billionaire businessman who became a political activist and controls Beijing Zenith Holdings (via proxy people Li Lin and Jiang Yuehua),[5] and other assets.[6][7] At the peak of his career, he was 73rd among the richest in China. Guo was accused of corruption and other misdeeds by Chinese authorities and fled to the United States in late 2014, after learning he was going to be arrested under allegations including bribing, kidnapping, money laundering, fraud and rape.[8][9] Guo is a colleague of Steve Bannon[10] and a member of U.S. President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.[4]
G News is a website owned by Guo Media – a company associated with Guo – operating in collaboration with Steve Bannon, a former executive chairman of Breitbart News and former advisor to the Trump administration.[59][60] Guo Media paid Bannon $1 million in exchange for consulting services from August 2018 to August 2019,[61] and Bannon has an office in Guo Media's headquarters.[12] Both Guo and Bannon are regularly featured in G News videos that criticize the Chinese government.[60]
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But it was validated by a Quantum Computer! And they even used radioactive HFCS as ink to track the votes with GPS!
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Seems like whoever posts whatever gets discredited as untrusting site / owned by chinese / muppet ... so what is actually a reliable source of information nowadays? CNN?
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Nordic media, it's always so amusing when I know things happening in some remote 3rd world country better than people who live there because their news just suck.
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CISA has a website to help everyone sort through the disinformation/misinformation related to the election. Assuming you were asking this question with honesty.
https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol#rumor18
As well as a few little handy PDFs circling around disinformation.
Disinformation Stops With You
Recognize the Risk
Question the Source
Investigate the Issue
Think Before You Link
Talk to Your Circle
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https://www.theonion.com/trump-claims-over-70-million-biden-votes-came-from-peop-1845624160
And since it's on The Onion, it must be both true and right. Why do people imagine Trump let SARS v2 kill so many people, many of whom were poor Democrat voters with no access to any kind of healthcare.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326926226888544256
I was kind of disappointed when Dominion turned out to be just the voting system and not some Illuminati group, but maybe this and the changes at Pentagon will start something.
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OANN is not exactly a reliable news source 🤣
maybe this and the changes at Pentagon will start something
A military coup maybe? 🙄
...because all the cool dictators are doing it? 😎
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Still better than Bonanza Media I guess. It's obviously not a coup but protecting democracy and the rightfully elected president from the evil coup Biden is planning. Good thing patriot whistleblowers have made public his plans to invade the White House!
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Yeah! Down with evil Biden and his 77 million co-conspirators!!! 😝
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keep believing the lies of the right wing media. You don't live in the US and don't know anything about it other than what you watch on right wing psycho media.
Trump would invade your country, kill your family and steal all your countries resources, and you would still be boot licking Trump. sad.
Trump lost a fair election. There is NO voter fraud. Trump is trying to commit election fraud, he will fail. Like Trump failed at all his companies because Trump is a loser.
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There we go again with the delusions. You imagine that free media and history are right wing conspiracies. What is RSF then, a terrorist organization? Or are you ashamed that your media ranks below many third world countries or surprised that in the free world media tells things as they are? Or did you get angry when I said that your precious GRU media is worse than whatever OANN is? That's what you seem to be reading with all of your right wing hate, Soviet propaganda.
So now your delusions include Trump invading EU? What kind of media do you read, really? I lick nobody's boot, that's your job with your precious Stalin and Antifa.
Studies have shown that understanding sarcasm requires higher than average intelligence which seems to have been proven right once again. Maybe you should let the adults talk in peace?
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lol, you don't "talk" like an adult. even thought this is not talking, it's writing, you "talk" like a right wing loon.
if that is not what you intended, then you should do some self reflection.
and you definitely seem like a boot licker, by what you write.
Trump invading Finland, your country, not all of EU, was an example. I guess it was over your head.
OANN is a known psycho right wing media company, mainly because Trump wanted a media company to boot lick, and they decided to do so. GRU and RSF, i don't know them, and don't care.
Trump and Putin are best buddies. If you don't like Putin, then I am not sure why you are brown nosing Trump.
I don't hate right wing, I just don't like that they are science denying, lying, criminal, racist, fascist, authoritarian, violence people.
Other than that, they are ok.
you have made a lot of unsubstantiated and untruthful claims here.
maybe you should let the sane people talk in peace?
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You will find out one day how adults talk I'm sure or even what talking means. Maybe you should be the one doing some reflection or at least get a dictionary...
talking
the action of talking; speech or discussion.
sarcasm
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
irony
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
Really seek help for your right wing delusions, only wings I'm interested in are chicken. Or at least stop licking Stalin's boots so much even if they taste like anti-"fascism".
We already were at war with USA and their dear allies UK and USSR. If you had read any history you would know all this and how we kicked their butt.
You talk a lot about fake media but you don't even know how GRU (Soviet Military Intelligence) writes most of what you read on your left wing media. Or RSF, let me illustrate what you still imagine is a right wing nutjob conspiracy:
Reporters Without Borders (French: Reporters sans frontières (RSF)) is an international non-profit and non-governmental organization that safeguards the right to freedom of information. Its advocacy is founded on the belief that everyone requires access to the news and information, inspired by Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that recognizes the right to receive and share information regardless of frontiers, along with other international rights charters. RSF has consultative status at the United Nations, UNESCO, the Council of Europe, and the International Organisation of the Francophonie.
So I guess you think UN is also a right wing conspiracy? Whose boots are you really licking?
"I don't hate them", "But I hate, hate, hate them so much that I skip all rational thinking!". You're still the one here denying things that are clearly known facts to anyone with access to free media.
How about you argue against those claims then like a sane person and not against my person which by your own definitions makes you the opposite of sane? Or stop making your own clearly false claims at least?
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only right wing conservatives deny facts about right wing conservatives.
total right wing tactic, always accuse other side of false claims.
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Only left wing terrorists deny facts about left wing terrorists. Total left wing tactic, always accuse other side of false claims.
What facts do you imagine I'm denying exactly? Or are you just talking about yourself the whole time? Can you start making sense for a little while at least?
Am I "denying" the "fact" that UN is a right wing conspiracy trying to take over USA? Do you know who else thinks that way about the "fact" and UN?
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Do you even read what you write yourself? I'm giving you back the exact same BS reversed that you try to push as facts and suddenly you realize that it's BS? Oh the irony of people unable to understand logic, facts or even the meaning of words in their native language telling others that they are wrong just because they understand such things...
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haha. from the person that doesn't understand.
the irony.
blah blah blah
why are you even writing, you have nothing to say. just nonsense.
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That's still only you with the nonsense. That you can't understand what others are writing is quite obvious.
So maybe take a deep breath, count to 10 and calm down?
Why did you not answer this question? `"What facts do you imagine I'm denying exactly?".
Why are you still just making things up and using personal attacks?
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So when you're unable to back up your nonsense with any actual logical arguments, you leave the discussion. Why were you unable to provide even a single fact that you imagine I'm denying? Why can you only resort to personal attacks instead of admitting that you were simply wrong?
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So someone who can use logic and asks that of others is a lost cause but someone who can only use personal attacks isn't?
There is no point because then you would have to admit your loss is what you really mean obviously. Try at least? I promise I won't laugh at your attempt this time.
Well one novel thing about your trolling was that instead of the final phase being just spamming memes you broke down to spamming acronyms. Well done with the original touch!
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no point in continuing, won a long time ago.
engaging with half wits is always a time wasting proposition.
right wing psychos don't want to believe the truth, so be it. TFG.
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Denver-based voting company refutes Trump’s baseless claims of deleted, changed votes
If anyone's interested to read...
Aslo, here's the twitter account of Dominion Voting Systems. Their website also has a big pop up denying Trump's claims.
Can't wait until Trump and his inflated ego leave the White House. I'm not going to miss his ALL CAPS twitter rants one bit.
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Of course a conspiracy would deny being one. Especially one named Dominion clearly indicating their real purpose: dominating by having the power to install any puppet they want as president. If they were legit they would be named Voteon or something.
I will miss the entertainment when it goes back to silver tongue lying. Trump was something fresh, a politician who speaks his unfiltered mind instead of PR department's ready made speech.
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That sounds like something taken out of some thriller set in a not so distant dystopian future.
where humans reside inside arcologies overseen by a voting system gone rogue named Dominion.
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That gave me a vision of Voting Drones flying around forcing people to vote on mundane things but never anything important.
"Must vote! Must vote! Non-voter detected, exterminate!'"
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Voteon... XD Thanks for the chuckle.
Fresh and unfiltered? Yeah, it's true that we've never seen a "politician" like that before... Insulting people left and right, lying, being impulsive, self-centered and egotist. A good politician should be able to listen and be level-headed, that's not what Trump is about. I don't believe he cares about the American people and I'll never understand how some folks seem to think he's a savior. He brings the worst in people.
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Four years ago I Started a poll to see what SGers would vote. Quickly after that it became apparent that I would have to refine the poll and split the choices up into non American and American SG users to be able to see the difference.
Today the final 2020 presidential election poll is here!
Please also join the Election Train!
Please be kind to one another in the comments, political discussions can sometimes be a bit heated but please be considerate and friendly throughout.
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