Hey,

I've been waiting for this game to be available on the store, I knew it was going to be expensive, but I thought more like $50 or $60!
Guess what? It's 90 freaking dollars! What the hell?! Early Access game, an incomplete game, for $90?! No thank you...

What do you think about the price of Planetary Annihilation?

Edit: The Russian price is a lot cheaper! It's ~$38 and doesn't seem to be region restricted!
Edit: The Russian price was increased to 2499 rubles on June 15th 2013.


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My guess is you didn't read the information on the store page. I don't mean that as a shot, I just mean that if you had read it then you'd probably say the same thing I said which was something along the lines of (I'll pass on alpha/beta access and wait for retail). They explain why it's this price. This is the price for early access, not for retail when it launches.

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They've made 2.2 MILLION dollars on Kickstarter and they need $90 for an alpha release? I think someone in their development team is money hungry.

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Walletary Annihilation

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Summary of major points on both sides:
Supporting statements: Early backers would be pissed if they reduced the price of the alpha. You are paying more because you get more content and earlier access. It's a privilege to play the alpha. Releasing on Steam is good for advertising. The devs can price it at what ever they want to sell it for. If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it and wait until it's cheaper. If you don't agree, then you are a naive and entitled brat. Stop whining. Herd mentality.

Critiques: Almost every other game does the exact opposite - price earlier builds lower than the full release. The Steam Store is fundamentally different from Kickstarter. This sets a bad precedent. In the past, people used to be given alpha and betas for free and/or were paid to bug test. This is generating a lot of bad PR. They already have enough money, so they must be greedy.

I can see relevant points on both sides, but from what I have read, only one side resorts to ad hominem attacks as a major part of their argument. Note that I am not trying to say that the legitimate arguments of one side are better than the other, but I seriously don't understand why certain people concentrated on one side act with so much more hostility.

Edit: didnt mean to imply that there arent level-headed people on the supporting side.

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It will be worse than supreme commander anyway.

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don't like the price? just move on and go play something else. how is the pricing any of buisness of any of you crybabies? y'all are not entitled to cheap games in any way, where does that notion even come from.

If you want the game just bloody well wait and the price will drop.

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Don't like the price .. well that's what TPB is for :))

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If they would really price it in this way because of kickstarter it wouldn't cost 38$ in RU store, 110$ in EU store and 107$ in UK store. It would cost 90$ everywhere. And paying for testing the game for them is another messed up thing entirely.

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It's quite expensive,but i think that it will be a cool and fun game once it's launched.

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I'm not dropping a dime on this until I see it in a humble bundle or steam sale...

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They act like the 2,229,344$ on Kickstarter would not be enough...

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Kickstarter= funding
Steam= selling

And what Planetary Anihillation do on steam?
and now steam became kickstarter huh

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I thought Early Access titles had steep prices to weed off all people who just wanted to play the game early without contributing with sending in bugs and stuff. Considering the games are in alpha state there's a shit-ton to be done still and you know how people are, the forums will be cluttered with "I paid 90 dollars and the game is BROKEN! Damnit Blizz, FIX IT!" still.

So yeah, wait until it's released. The early access prices aren't for those who want to casually play the game for a few hours.

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INB4 people that don't know how kickstarter works at all. Oh wait...

How can they not see that pricing it differently would alienate any and all kickstarter backers instantly. Maybe the game didn't need to be up on steam already, but since it is I'm glad it is priced with previous backers in mind.

How can anyone not get this? Seriously just check how kickstarter works. I'd be pissed as all hell if something I backed was then discounted to the masses O_o

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Yeah but you're missing the point that Kickstarter attracts a different "customer base" than Steam.
People on Kickstarter want to invest in an idea, a concept or a half finished build to enable it to be made in the first place.
People on Steam just want to buy games and don't care about fancy donations n' stuff.

Kickstarters = Donors
Steam = Customers
Steam =/= Kickstarters

You can't compare those two. You have to treat them as separate platforms with different people, who all have different needs and reactions.
Edit: You can't expect to treat people who are used to buy in "Walmart" (Steam) to react the same way as people from some "indiependent Artist stores with high prices" (Kickstarter). Those two are complete different customer bases and treating them as the same just ends in a catastrophe (as the shitstorm yesterday).

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Last time I checked Steam wasn't kickstarter.

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lol the people replying to you still dont get it.

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I do get the argument that if Kickstarters paid 90 dollars for alpha then it's only fair that steam has to pay 90 dollars also. But just because I "understand" an argument, doesn't mean I have to agree with it? does it?

I'm talking not about fairness between prices. I'm talking in my post about steam shouldn't be abused as a crowdfunding platform. Kickstarters willingly donated for an idea, even if they didn't know before if it will evber see the light of day. While steam is a selling platform, for games that WILL be available and uses a total different mindset about this issue. You just can't compare those two platforms as the same, they are maybe "similar" but they aren't identical.

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steam sells completed full games for the usual everyday prices yes. BUT this isnt a complete game this is an EXPEREINCE of helping them get the game finished and being a tester and playing the game super early. if you dont want to participate in that then thats fine its a choice not a bribe.
the type of people that are so upset over this are the people that dont understand what it really is and they are the same type that would get in the game and instead of offering feedback and understanding attitude that they are looking for they would offer just full capslocked posts about how broken the game is and completely miss the point of why they are even letting people have the OPTION to take part.

you not only need to understand how the price relates to kickstarter and steam but also understand WHY they are even doing such a broad testing program and allowing people the OPTION to be a part of it. The people that want to partake and have the experience of the development process and the behind the scenes look will see the value in that and pay for it with no complaints. the rest need to just consider the game as "unreleased" and wait for the actual full game. there is no point in complaining. for years people have wanted to get into testing programs like this and early access opportunities, now they can and all when they are told it isnt free they flip out. so its either get no early access at all and complain, or get early access and then bitch that its unfair for them to charge for it. people dont stop to think that maintaining a userbase and servers and bandwidth costs A LOT of money, esp when you are still spending money on the development of the product.

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Welcome to the new part of Steam: Early Acces.

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irgendwasmitkiwi: people don't know how kickstarter works. Check out how it works.
us: Steam is not kickstarter.
This is the truth, I don't see how you can argue that Steam = kickstarter.
Giving other valid explanations as to why it's priced as it is has nothing to do with irgendwasmitkiwi's argument that we need to learn about kickstarter policies because apparently that has something to do with Steam.

Funny thing is, I don't disagree with your arguments. It's how some of you frame the arguments and how a lot of people on your side resort to ad hominem attacks that I disagree with.

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The problem is that you are using Steam =! Kickstarter as a strawman argument that they should not be related in pricing models. Could you imagine the kind of flak the devs would be getting for putting it up at ANY other price on steam after it was made possible by the people at Kickstarter?

Steam isn't Kicstarter, but the game damn well originated on KS and there's no way that fact could be ignored.

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I already said that I did not disagree that the devs could not put the game up at any lower price, so your assertion of strawman cannot be correct. If anything, you brought up the irrelevant argument and I am only refuting it.

At any rate, if you wish for me to address your original proposition, here is it. Even if the price were lowered, kickstarter backers shouldn't complain because the bonuses they are receiving are not included in the Steam early access version.

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Here is a good explanation from Kotaku why it's the right choice to sell the Alpha for $90. So all of you who still are whining in ignorance about it: Read it!
http://kotaku.com/theres-a-90-steam-game-and-people-are-freaking-out-513318065

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Funny thing is we are use to $90 steam games in Australia:P

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they wont read it ccause they dont really care, people just want something to fuel their rage of the day. logic and reason and common sense dont have a place in the world these days. its all about , "omg i vaguely know what the hell is going on but it gives me a reason to spew anger so im gonna roll with it and not read beyond the price"

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Not quite true.
I've read a lot of arguments from both sides now. And I understand why kickstarters are upset, why uber is sticking to their price and how it's fair for the kickstarters etc.
But that doesn't mean I have to agree with that.
Understanding and Agreeing is something completely different. Just because someone has another world view as you do, doesn't mean he's an ignorant idiot.

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Guys we have a "free will", so if you don't want it don't buy it...

and seriously I hate these kinds of Multiplayer RTS games, which may probably go dead w/ no players like "Starvoid" did.

unless its a company of heroes game, which is more awesome.

edit wut russians get the game for $38 bucks that's so ridiculous.

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As you said: "Guys we have a "free will", so if you don't want it don't buy it..."
But that also gives us every right to complain about something that is (in the customers eyes) unacceptable.
Uber has on ther other side, every right, to price it 90 dollars.

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Price will be 60 dollars when it releases. This price is to be "fair" with the kickstarter people

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Price will be $60 when it gets into beta. Final price will be $40

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Are they trying to be another EA? One is enough.

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your completely missing the point of why its priced this way. it appears you didnt even bother to read the description in the game steam page. good job

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See the replies to my post and then you see how sad reading comprehension is with these guys :/

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you: "How can they not see that pricing it differently would alienate any and all kickstarter backers instantly."
us: Agreed, reducing the price will piss of the original supporters

you: "people that don't know how kickstarter works at all, Seriously just check how kickstarter works."
us: Steam /= kickstarter. What does how kickstarter operates have to do with Steam again? If you could explain it further, I would appreciate it. I don't like how you are insulting our reading comprehension because you can't explain things properly, however.

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I don't understand why people are so upset about it. Of course the price is ridiculous, but it's just one out of thousands of games on Steam. If you think the price is too high then just don't buy it and move on.

That said I also think this is one of the worst PR disasters I've ever seen. What were they thinking? Nothing probably. Or did they really think 'all PR is good PR'? Not in this case imo, just look at the silly metacritic ratings. It's basically people who didn't play the game but agree with the price vs people who didn't play the game but disagree. Idiotic. Still, a bad metacritic rating alone can kill a game and the current user rating of 4.9 will not make it sell better in the future.

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It doesn't help that the devs are giving aggressive feedback on their forum and reddit to the PR-catastrophe.
Their attitude just shows that they don't give a damn and that makes people even more furious!
Anyone remembers "monday night combat" flop with dev reply "the rules have changed" ? Yeah, it's the same shit all over again

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i think that if they are waiting for my money, they can wait for ever!

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*forever

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This is what you got, when you combine kickstarter with steam; and it's not even a bad thing ...

Ignorance and blindness of people ... :)

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LEARN

TO

READ

BETTER

RIGHT THERE ON THE STORE PAGE is the explanation for the pricing.

RIGHT HERE

"Our pricing for this stage of early access was determined by our Kickstarter. The stages of our early access for ALL users, which was determined during our Kickstarter, is:
June through August: $90 for early alpha access, during the time where we're still locking down features and making tweaks to the flow of the game. This access is permanent access - you will be able to play through alpha, beta and on through retail. (Galactic Edition Equivalent with all addons)
September through November: $60 for beta access. The game will be much more complete at this time, but with a lot of balance work still to do and more optimizations to get it working on as many systems as possible. Same as above, this is beta and turns into a retail version on launch. (Warfare edition equivalent with all addons)
Retail: December 2013 (Combat edition equivalent)
This is the pricing determined over a year ago. Our Kickstarter set these levels, and while we understand people may not like it, it's the decision we had to make.
But that is the schedule if you want to wait until the price drops to a level you're more comfortable with.

Thanks,
Garat / Marc Scattergood
Producer, Uber Entertainment"

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you would think on a site thats all about giving that more people would get that they are helping to SUPPORT a a project and the development of the project not just paying for the game and thats all. also im pretty sure this dev is an indie dev or something along those lines, so its not like its a AAA dev asking you to fork over money that they dont really need to fund a project they could already do themselves with no kickstarter or extra help.

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Total annhiliation, supreme commander, supreme commander 2: forged alliances, monday night combat
Yes ... really an "indie" developer cough

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none of those were big hits, niche games.this dev (gas powered games) has been having trouble staying afloat for awhile now.... (they are the devs of supreme commander) but Uber Entertainment is doing planetary Annihilation and it seems all they have done in the past is mainly MNC which like i said isnt a huge claim to fame.

On February 24, 2011, it was announced that Gas Powered Games would be taking over development on the upcoming RTS game Age of Empires Online, replacing Robot Entertainment on the project.[9] Gas Powered Games has also announced plans to create a real-time strategy game named Kings and Castles, which will use the game engine from Supreme Commander 2.[10] On Jan 4, 2013, it was noted in an Age of Empires Online blog post [11] that GPG would no longer be supporting the game. Approximately two weeks prior to this announcement, GPG put up a teaser web site announcement for a 'Project W' [12] On Jan 14, 2013, Gas Powered Games announced the Kickstarter project "Wildman", declared to be "An 'Evolutionary' Action RPG"[13] Four days later on January 18, GPG had to lay off roughly 40 employees, with the ultimate fate of the company riding on the Kickstarter campaign.[14] On Feb 11, 2013, Gas Powered Games canceled their Kickstarter project "Wildman", four days before it was due to finish, announcing that they wanted to "focus [their] attention on other ways to keep Gas Powered Games running" [15] Three days later, Wargaming.net announced that they were in talks to buy Gas Powered Games.[16]

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If you'll point me to kickstarter where alpha version was for 1199 rubles (that's around $30-40) we'll talk about pricing "determined by Kickstarter".

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point me to a russian that buys things

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Would point few Russians on SteamGifts, but someone might say it's calling out...

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a few exactly. the russian market is nothing in comparison to the rest of the gaming marlet, thats why the prices are lower in russia for all games, the userbase in miniscule when talking about money changing hands.

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once more I wish I had a good russian friend :(

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BUT this contradicts Uber's pricing reasoning. They LIE, plain and simple - Steam price has nothing to do with deal on kickstarter, it's market price they decided knowing there are still people willing to pay that amount of money.

And it's good, business is business. Just don't lie in plain sight.

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Ignorance is bliss, it seems...

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Saving $50 because you have friends in Russia is bliss.

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Moron, the price is a premium you pay for alpha access and a say in the games' development. Closer towards release the game will cost 60 bucks, and on release 40.

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OR you pay $40 in Russia for Premium access today.

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The devs say that the pricing was based on kickstarter. On kickstarter, Russians had to pay $90 for alpha. Yet on Steam they only have to pay $40. It's a valid argument that they are not following the kickstarter prices.

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ok show me why this is a lie other than you being pissed off about it.

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They LIE it MUST cost $90 because they sell it for $40.

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lol ok

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The devs say that the pricing was based on kickstarter. On kickstarter, Russians had to pay $90 for alpha. On Steam they only have to pay $40. $90 /= $40.

In addition, if they want to charge the kickstarter price, they need to include everything that came with the kickstarter. proof that they are not

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Perhaps it's you that needs to learn to read better instead of us? Go through the 226 pages of comments and you'll realize that most of us have read the article and have also been discussing things in the comment section.

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Forgive me for skipping past reading the thread - I normally never do. My post was mainly directed at the OP though, just because I've been dealing with all kinds of people in chats I'm in whining about the price, without having read anything.. Hope you understand my frustration.

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Okay, thanks for the clarification. I do believe that the OP made this thread before the devs actually put up that post, though. Gruetz99 mentioned something about the game being added to Steam with no price justification for the first 5 hours.

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Not really a triple AAA game so maybe around $20 would've been fine.

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It was sold for $20 on the kickstarter page.

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Closed 11 years ago by Skylark.