What to do?
We all have our own reasons for blacklists. If you feel like you don't want someone to join your giveaways, then by all means blacklist away.
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You're going to find people with "bad ratio" at nearly any level. It lessens a little the higher you go, but it still happens more often than not.
I don't let it bother me. Hopefully they'll at least enjoy the games.
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+1; Even at the highest levels there are some people with bad ratio, I don't blacklist for that but it's really your choice in the end...
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Blacklist them if you want, as no one is going to judge you, and no one have the right to. But for me, I don't even bother :)
And my ratio is getting really "bad" since suddenly I won a lot this two months
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Or should i just increase the level even more?
That won't help, the rest is up to you Cthulhu.
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Yeah probably letting it at level 3 should be better.... i just dont want to use sgtools and post it on the forum, because some people like me dont read the forum much so i dont even see most of the invite only giveaways.... but that's my problem sgtools is a great thing.
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you will find people with bad ratio in all levels. of course the higher level = less users = less leeches :3
you can also calculate real cv ratio instead of just number of sent:won http://www.sgtools.info/real-cv
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"letting it at level 3 should be better"
Hahahahaha.... Oh... Wow... Really... Sorry but from my own experience I can tell you that this is not true. I even had problems with level 5 or level 6 users so, well, you are never safe. I don't know about higher levels because I didn't create many GAs for them.
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Level 3… not really. The lowest "safe" level seems to be level 7, but mostly because you limit those giveaways to like 0.08% of the user base. At which point you might as well just do whitelist or SGTools giveaways (heck, they may attract more attention, even).
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not everyone is rich enough to get a bundle every time they come out lol, i do my best but i win to much to keep up, ive never had a job before so honestly im quite proud of my gifting stat's but its def not easy.
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It's not really about rich or poor but if somebody is aware that they are taking way more than they give it would be nice if they would be a bit more picky about what GAs they join and not enter every single GA whether they are interested in the game or not just because they can.
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If none of them have any rules infractions, you basically just have to send the keys (though you can wait for the 7 days if you want), but I would check for activated wins/multi-wins at sgtools and see if there are grounds for a reroll. I don't blacklist from bad ratios, but blacklists are an individual prerogative and you're free to do whatever.
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One can always dream of having the perfect blacklist, and strive towards it!
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you're wasting your money on random people
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i think you should be the new support member.
really
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blacklist or use sgtools in forum giveaways to set min. ratio.
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You can set a W/GA ratio for your GA's using SGtools.
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good ratio? my mind says yes, but my luck says no! ahah
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I've stopped looking at ratios for public GAs. If I care about a particular game, I'll either make it a group/whitelist GA, or put it behind an SGTools check on the forum with whatever rules I'd like.
As has been said above multiple times though, in the end it's up to you - your motivations, your tolerances.
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I think the words gift and ratio don't belong together.
I don't like it when my winners have won a ridiculous amount and not contributed, but I won't blacklist for it.
Of course, the real issue is that you're wasting your money on random people in the first place.
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This! So much this I can't even express. Thanks!
I always wonder if these "ratio" people actually do spreadsheets every birthday/Christmas/insertyourfavouriteholiday...
Also, what Rahul said below.
IDK, it's a complicated, I'd say personal, issue. However, I think it's all about your definition of 'gift'.
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As a token of my appreciation of your, in my opinion, consistently either funny or on the spot comments I'm awarding you a place in my whitelist. May it serve you well in case I sometime end up doing that kind of giveaway :)
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Well, I haven't made any giveaways for a while, but I always prefer my gifts to go someone who cant afford to gift games.
I would rather not give away my gift to someone who has enough money to have gifted away a million games. If they can afford to gift so many games, then they don't need me gifting them the game. And if you are trying to decide if someone deserves your gift, then you are doing it wrong.
The only type of gifting restriction I love is when people must have the game in their wishlist if they wish to enter the giveaway. Event that does not mean that the winner will actually make use of your gift, but at least its gonna restrict the entry to most people who want the game.
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In the grand scheme of things, site wide ratio is 1:1 :P
Let the people with extra money giveaway more then they win, and not penalize people that happen to win a lot.
It's not like the winners are cheating, they are using the site for what it was created.
Sure they can show some restraint and only enter for games they truely want, or even spend just $1 on a cheap bundle to make giveaways, but they can win 100s and make zero.
Also, I know of a few steam communities that do not use steamgifts exclusively, they just send gifts directly on steam, so the off chance they do come to steamgifts and win, their ratios are boned.
Heck, I gave like 1.5x secret santa then what I recieved, no worries. And gifting out the occasional birthday gift is always heartfelt.
Final note, yea, shobo royally fucks people over on the late bundlelist updates.
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I personally NEVER blacklist solely based on ratio. A bad ratio may or may not get you off my whitelist though.
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So what if they have bad ratio? I fail to understand why this concern you. Is there a steamgifts rule that say that it's compulsory to have a nice ratio? :P
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be happy making gives and hope the winner enjoys it.
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Blacklisting is fully up to you.
Another possibility is using SGTools. SGTools have a lot of functionality to weed out the ratio's your not happy with.
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I found that these horrible ratios are almost non-existent from Level 5 on upwards, while Level 4 is kinda hit-and-miss. If ratio is a concern for you you may consider setting your GAs to Level 4 or 5
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I also strongly feel that there's a huge gap between level 4 and level 5. It's no wonder that so many unpleasant characters stop immediately upon reaching 4. As a matter of fact most of the issues I had were level 4.01 / 4.02 &c. users with their last GAs happening at the same time some price dropped (explaining why they made a new GA, to get back to the bare minimum 4.00). That's not to say it's completely safe past level 4 of course, but I at least according to my statistically unsignificant personal experience there's a rather noticeable difference.
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For all people to have a positive ratio is impossible. Someone has too win the GA's.
I personally also dont like the fact that some people have like 30-50 win and 10 given or so. (cause there are several ways to gift games even when you got no money to buy bundles) Does it bother me enough that I do something about it? No, I am far more bother by the amount of rerolls needed when gifting on lower levels. I personally like too give at level 3 still need to reroll at least once when I give away 2 bundles at once for example. But I find that acceptable.
Just do what you think what is right.
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Stupid question,but why to u even need to reroll ?:D
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The lower levels are full of regifters and those who literally enter anything but never bother to redeem a gift if they find that they actually didn't even want the game. I'm still doing level 0 ones, but honestly, I learnt to dread the moment whenever I see an email address ending in .ru in the winner list…
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Rerolls are needed when people have broken the rules, like not activating games, regifting, double wins etc.
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1) Blacklisting is something that doesn't require ANY reason. So this is all up to you
2) The number for sent is kind of pointless if you give away 60 $1 games, it's the same as giving a single $60 game.
3) If you blacklist someone, then expect there to be some salty people. Just yesterday I got harassed by an SG user, who wanted to know why I blacklisted them. He gave away 1 bundled game with the value of $1 (Real CV unknown). I saw that he owned multiple AAA games and an inventory full of AAA games for trading and keys for a fair few games, which have a significant value. He made his second giveaway, but it turned out that he got the key from his friend. The friend still thinks that he redeemed the game to play it. So I called him out on it and said that in the end, while giving stuff away isn't mandatory, he can't throw the sympathy card at me, while most generous SG users aren't wealthy enough to own the games that he does. He kept harassing me, saying that I'm punishing him for him being poor. Obviously he wasn't.
The funny thing is... when you blacklist someone, you're not taking something away from them... you're just not giving them something. There's a massive difference.
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While i see why you would think like that...it not always easy passing judgment and thinking because they have all those games and inventory that they are some how better off and not poor.
I am not saying that is the case for this person since i do not know them or can see there profile or any of that.I do know i have a couple friends who do not have a lot of money,and use the means off buying low and price glitches and selling high or trading to support the games they do get.Hence they have better games them me without spending much money because of trading.
Now if the person also has say 2,000+ games then i would be inclined to think they are not,but not always easy judging wealth by what someone has,after all i have spent about 100 and i have over 500 games.And 40 of that was for Fallout 4 the rest is from trading and bundles or sales,winning here and key drops and free games and so on.
And i would have more games and more stuff but i have done a lot less trading so i could give more bundle games away here,i use to just trade them for other games i want,but now i get less games because i give them away here instead of trading.
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The thing is, if there's a will, there's a way. A $1 bundle can buy you 5 games for yourself or to give away. Again, there's no real obligation, but a person who has won 10 unbundled games with giving a game away that's not even theirs is not really a good person in my eyes. If one can buy a $60 game + a game that's $40, then they can spare that $1. They don't HAVE to, but they can't start pretending that they're oppressed by the government, are so poor that they can't even buy food and when I tell him that in the end it's my choice, he starts throwing accusations around, like I were the Hitler of SG.. xD
Also, I only blacklist people for "leeching" if they have given away a ratio of 1:50 at least. Since otherwise they could still catch up or they just might not have enough money. Also, the reason might be just me thinking that since they've been really lucky already, they don't need the extra chances from me and the chances should be given to those who seem to have been less lucky.
EDIT: He did have over 50 bundle games on the trade list.
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Well if i came off as taking his side i am sorry i was not,i was trying to use him as an example on the basis of him having lots in inventory and such for games does not imply a person is well off..
Also at the same time even if they could buy better games to GA,i still imo do not think a blacklist should be used for sole purpose of someone not giving a ratio you think they should based on your opinion of what someone can and can not afford on just the basis of there game count and inventory.Or what you think they should give,and then call them a leech just because they take without giving,when the site has no set raio or set rule about how much to give.Anyone can be a leech to be one you just take more then you give back.So in short if went to a party and did not bring anything but drank and ate,you where a leech.
That being said..just because that is how i feel does not mean that is how everyone should do it,and i do see why you blacklisted them for other reason and so forth and i am not here to tell you what to do with your blacklist and such.
I was just saying how i feel about quick to judge how rich or poor someone is by the mere fact of what they own or have in said inventory.i still think it is wrong to black list someone just based on ratio,but again that just what i think.You are free to do so and i never said you can not and so on.
In the end most of the time the only thing that separates the rich and the poor is how much they own that is it,because the more someone makes the more they spend on cars,houses,boats,ect or maybe even games.I may not own a lot fancy stuff and a boat and so on,but at least everything i own is 100% mine and i owe nobody for any loans and such.
P.S. everyone end up being a leech in there life,i mean the poor can take but in most cases can not give back...but there are other ways of giving back,like donating time,being active in a community or giving back when they can.
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Ok, I'll quickly explain, since I didn't really clear stuff up.
I never bl-d him because he looked rich and stuff. My problem was that he used that as a weapon, to basically make me feel like a bad person. Him throwing his sympathy card out and verbally abusing me for saying that giving away a game that isn't his, is scummy.
Also, I had a look at my messages and turns out he spammed the "Thanks, m8" on every single one of my giveaways (like, 5-6 of them) with a really short period in between, meaning that it was most likely not a very genuine thanks.
I hate spam and I will blacklist people, if they decide to fake their gratitude. From a previous thread a bit ago, most people agree with me, since most don't like the automated thank you message.
The ratio thing came in later as an extra reason.
I just couldn't tolerate him being like a spoiled child, "boohoo, I get less games now, I'm poor, show pity, you fucking asshole!"
That's actually fairly similar to the way he spoke too. When I asked him why he's even hassling him, he just said that I was being horrible and abusive to him and 90% of SG are "leeches" and they're the reason why the site is still here.
I really only blacklist extremely bad ratios. Not a personal thing, just want the less lucky ones to have a higher chance.
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Also, I whitelist with extremely good ratios too. Like the poster of the thread. He's been fairly unlucky, so if there's a bigger chance for him to win something, then so be it! :)
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I thought this site was about giving...not about ratio or who can give back..
That being said i guess in the end,your give away your call,you can make any level you want...you could black list them...you could even use SG Tools to filter out with ratio..
All i know is when i do a GA i could care less about ratio,and i do 0-3 leave GA.I do not feel right asking someone to be a higher level then me to enter my GA,as long as they are not breaking rules and such i am fine with whoever wins..
Further more just because they own a lot Triple A games does not mean now they can afford to buy those or give them away.I guess at some point i will end up on black list because all i can afford to give is pretty much bundle games,and i really do not have much money left to get anymore without taking away from money i have saved for the stuff i want.
In the end like i said it up to each person doing a GA and decide how they are done but i can help to be a little sad that so many on this site care so much about ratio when this site was started to give your bundle left overs away ...and not about who could give back,but the fact the reward was just giving something away.
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see, that's the kind of talk to get you onto whitelists. no GA at the moment. but had some nice ones in the best ;)
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Further more just because they own a lot Triple A games does not mean now they can afford to buy those or give them away.
To be honest I do not follow this logic. Sure, somebody might get a few as gifts from friends or family but in general AAA games don't grow on trees.
Edit: Or was NOW the important word in that sentence?
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If you are good and heavy trade you can get a lot without spending much if anything,i have a couple friends that do just that,so yeah in some cases i am sure some people are just playing stupid..
My point it is not impossible to spend very little and have a lot good games,the real question is how much time and effort are you willing put into it?
Take the price glitch for NBA 2K16 some time back for MJ edition was under 10 bucks,you buy 10 copies of those and you sell half of them for 20 bucks later...you just made 50 bucks..
Bam now you can buy said Triple A game...also GMG has a lot time sales for pre orders on said games for 45 or so dollars
Point being it is possible and i was never saying that everyone that has a crap ton of games and huge inventory got it all for free,but do not always be so quick to judge.
I spent nothing out of pocket for GTA V or Fallout 4 thanks to sites like bing rewards and swag bucks,most of my games are from bundle/trading/SG/Key drops/sales and a few friends who gifted me games like ARMA II complete.
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But if somebody trades a lot and has the resources to trade and uses the profits to buy games for themselves they have the resources to give as well. They just decide not to and rather spend it on themselves which is completly fine but makes the excuse I can't afford to sound quite fishy.
Also I don't consider 45$ for a freshly released 60$ game cheap. Of course I buy one every now and then but considering how fast prices for games drop it doesn't make sense for me. For example in the whole PS4 era my only release buy was GTA 5 (and Destiny but that doesn't really count because it was in the Bundle with the PS4 of course GTA 5 Bundle came out like 4 weeks later :D)
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I never did say they did not have the resources to do so did i??I just said just because someone has a lot of games does not mean they are well off..
In a sense you are telling people what they should spend with there money and how well off there are and they should give back,just because you think they can afford it and should.That person might invest all his money into those games there for not be as well off just on the basis of they have a lot of games.Having a lot of something does not make you some how able to afford it it.You are just dictating how someone should spend there money by telling them they can afford it based on what they own.
My sister has a lot nice things and a big house and a cuplle BMW and bought my dads house and so on,she is not rich...she has a lot of debt is what she has,but if you where to based her money on the things she owns you might think she is well off.
My point was not everyone that has a lot games or bigger inventory mean they are well off and they should just give away what they earned just because some random person think they can or should.
45 is not a lot for a game if you do not even pay that for it,that is the whole problem in a nut shell everyone that has replied is just seeing the sale price not always reflecting what someone has invested in the product.
Again i paid 42 something for Fallout 4 but i got the money back for it,thanks to sites like i mentioned so in the end i got it for free as the money i spent on it was put back.I guess by the logic of if you can "afford such and such" you can afford to do a GA,since you know i got the game for free and the money back i still ended up with 42 bucks,i should have spent that on GA instead of things i want or need.
Again i have quiet a few Tripple A games,but all i can afford to give is bundle games,if i gave anything else then i would not have Fallout 4 or some of the others as the money would have went toward a GA,and i am not going to give up a game i want to make a GA for a game someone else wants.
So i guess i might as well just be a leech because now i have very little money and i do not know when i will have more to buy more games for GA so i could end up winning more then i have given before that happens.
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As I said it is completly fine if they choose to spend their money on themselves it just makes the excuse I can't afford to make givaways unbelievable. If they say I don't WANT to I'm not gonna argue with that.
Also by the same logic apartments and cars are free because people pay for them with the money they earn from their jobs. Bing rewards and swag bucks are work (as far as I understand I'm not familiar with those sites) and you spend the money you earn there on games. That doesn't make the games free.
Also I'm more arguing on principle and definitly not calling you a leech. While your Real CV ratio might be a little bit off you have a ratio of 50:25... not quite what I call a leech. Also 25 wins over a year suggests that you pick which GAs you enter quite carefully... I've seen a new user today that had the same number of wins within a month.
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Rest assured I wasn't talking about you ;) I remember answering some SG related question to you a few days ago and complimented you about your amazing ratio. Whether you use Gifts given / won or Real CV ratio... you have a 10:1 ratio which immediately put you on my WL for extremly generous people. I'm still working on a scale of positive ratio (to add stuff like whitelisted for good / great / amazing ratio... as Tags with the SG+ addon) but I'm pretty sure 10:1 would be the category Insane ;) Consindering what you've given last month you could have won 220 bundle games in the same time and I wouldn't mind a bit.
What I ment was when I see somebody with let's say a 5:120 ratio but a game collection of 1500+ games including many recently released AAA games I find it hard to believe they can't afford to give. They don't want to which is completly fine. It's just the excuse that they can't (in those cases) that riles me up a bit.
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Why not just write ratio: [number]? It's much easier to look at and you won't have to learn the scales :D
Mega super ultra supersaiyan sensei master awesomefantastic brilliant ratio
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That's true but I liked the idea of coming up with adjectives for the various degrees of giving addiction :D
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Yeah i do pick mine carefully once in awhile i will enter an odd one if i have a lot points and have not entered much as of late...
Well i was not trying to say you pointing to me being a leech,i meant in the future i could be a leech if i ended up winning more and more without the funds to do GA's...
i have some bundle games saved to help keep the ratio on the plus at least win/ga ...though if i win a couple more the money end of it will not be so good lol.
Bing rewards you get points for doing searches which is about 5 bucks a month which i usually turn into amazon gift cards and save them up...
The other one is a bit more work,but really not that much work since i usually do it when i watching a movie or checking email or SG and so on.
Granted i do earn it so to speak but no way do i spend hours each day doing it,in fact Bing is credit for just doing searches lol.But you can not lump everything into being earned just because it takes some effort.I mean anything you do you work for so even if you play the lotto and win,then you are not spending money you won but earned since you spent 2 bucks you earned to win it,but you did not earn anything that you won.
All i am saying is those are things i do while doing other things,so really it does not take out any of my time so i do not count it as earning since i never take out time to do just those,i always multi-task.
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If you can afford to buy 10 * the NBA 2k16, then you can afford to buy AAA games.
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Unless you have extra keys from profit of selling and trading games???Then you use those said keys to buy more cheap stuff to sell how and what do you know before long you have double the keys you started with,then triple and so on.
You should think outside the box a little bit....also Steam wallet,there is also the selling of cards and stuff you craft from badges...
Also i made a bit of profit selling DST drops before they hit the market,i was getting one key each for rare drops,and cards for common and non common stuff i would get a couple more cards.
Like i said before i am sure some can afford games,usually the ones that can do not bother with trading,what is the point of trading if money is not an issue?It would be like being a multi-millionaire then borrowing money to buy a house.
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You said buy 10 copies at $10 each, which is $100.
Yes, ordinarily $100 would be 2 AAA games, and there are ways to turn that $100 into a lot more games, but that's nto the same thing.
As for trading when you can afford more, that just means (a) you're shrewd, (b) you like playing the game, or (c) you would rather have 5 AAA games for the price of 2. Same reasons many multi-millionaires borrow money to buy houses.
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I Just finished my 60+ giveaways and i noticed 3~4 peoples that had some really bad ratio of winning and sharing.
What do you guys think i should do?
I already send the keys, keeping them for 7 days till the last minute would be bad since i dont know if i will be here to send them later or not.
Should i just blacklist them so they dont enter my next giveaways?
Or should i just increase the level even more?
Or let it pass since only 4 from 65+ had that bad ratio?
For me a bad ratio is not related just in comparassion of winnings / sharing, you also need to look what was shared and won.
One of those guys had gifited a Bioshock triple pack ($59,99) and is level 3! and won like 10 times more ($$$) in 100+ giveaways (and he has a bunch of AAA games that he features on his profile it's for sure looks like he only gifted the pack to level to 3).
Another guy gifted $400 some was bundled so probably not 400 real worth but won almost 3000 (Some AAA).
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