When you see a long post that includes a tl;dr line, what do you typically do?
I'll go first...
Problem: Something other people do on the site annoys you, but it doesn't break any rule. Example: Nomination threads that end up with the same names again and again.
Solution: Instead of complaining, try to ignore the annoyance and lead by example with an alternative you believe is better. Example: Start a nomination thread that aims to find new names, e.g. by limiting nominations to users that are Level 5 or less, or that have registered in the last 3 months.
Word count: 82 :-)
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One more:
Problem: A winner didn't thank you for the game you gave.
Solution: Accept that this is almost the norm for public GAs. It is a bit less common with invite-only (forum) GAs, and far less of an issue with whitelist or small-group GAs. Use one of those if it really bothers you. You can also blacklist such users, but this won't have any significant effect (blacklist is limited to 1000 users, but the site has close to 1,000,000 users).
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Though it could just lead to them BLing you back.
But is that a huge deal. I find that people that don't say thanks often don't really make GA's themselfes (spelling?), so being BL'ed by them isn't a big deal. And for people like me that rarely enter any GA's (like maybe 5 per month), it's no problem at all.
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Well I started trying it out.
All I got was them insulting me and blacklisting me back. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I sent them this, for the record:
Just a heads up,
I'm blacklisting you for not saying "thank you" after winning one of my giveaways, it takes little effort, but it shows you have good manners (as stated in the giveaway description). As such, I'd recommend you show appreciation for the gifts you get in the future.
Contributing to the community will lead to you being un-blacklisted by me.
Best of luck
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Problem: You don't like SGTools.
Solution: Don't use it.
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Problem: You can't create giveaways for games that were once free, yet some people want to give them away to others who really want them, and not have to drop them on a thread for the ninjas to take. (For example, Mafia II was free and then it was included on a humble bundle, so what do you do with that extra key?)
Solution: Make a separate category for these keys. These would be giveaways that don't add to CV, and the game must have been free more than 3 months ago, not sooner.
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That needs no CV AND no sent gifts counter increment. Or separate counter.
+100 Some games hasn't been given away for free for ages and people are still looking for them.Not everyone, all 1M SG users own them.
If they don't allow free GAs, other GAs websites will take huge advantages of them.
I am sure free GAs are a lot wanted in SG.
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Other GA websites only contain these games, that's basically the only reason people use. them. The sites aren't taking advantage, people just want rid of those keys as theyre basically worthless.
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Mafia II was free at some point?! Damn, I'm sorry I missed that. :(
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I read that as "edible" at first. Either way I agree.
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The problem is that you can't, and the solution is to replace all "potato" options with real potatoes.
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Good suggestion. Editing polls happens to be #2 in the most wanted poll-enhancements poll :-)
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Having multiple polls in a single thread would be nice as well. :)
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This is more of an opinion/observation but maybe others will agree with me:
Its become the norm to include a giveaway when making a thread these days to the point when the purpose of a thread is only for sharing a giveaway. This has lead to people participating less in discussions and just visiting the forums to lurk on giveaways.
Solution: Consider making threads without giveaways and instead create discussions that make the community a more fun place.
AGAIN I'm not saying this is necessarily a problem, I just feel like people enter threads expecting a giveaway in return instead of a good ol' fashioned thread.
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The tradition of having a giveaway attached to your OP goes back years and years
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GA gives more bumps - so thread is alive longer.
On the other hand I have seen long lived threads with no GAs. Just the topic itself was interesting enough to give it constant attention. Giveaway in thread with less popular subject gives opportunity to see opinion of somebody who is not familiar with subject - which might be fresh point of view :)
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Problems: Games previously "free" cannot be given away, while there are people who still want them
Solution: Maintain a free game list like the bundle list, and set them to 0P contribution point. So people can give them away but not to exploit the CV system
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Without more information about how they implemented current system I won't speculations about if it is doable or not.
Not knowing availability of their human resources to make more development of SG system, neither.
Anyway, if free GAs would still increment sent gifts counter, people would just start to check real CV only for groups or in general.
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The only solution for now... is to limit redundant calls of your own scripts, I guess... (I am not implying you do redundant requests).
My guess for lightest memory implementation would be a related table, rather than an additional column to any table.
Anyway, I guess they already track free games in some way, since they are... tracked already...
But since you said only CG is known as dev of SG, I guess API could be quite a huge work. For no big impact on SG experience.
What are your scripts that heavily request SG pages ?
Maybe they/he already have any roadmap for future SG developments ?
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Why don't you deserve it? You sent a game and someone wanted it. Sure, it's absolutely a dick game to take a game you don't need just to give it away but that's not always the case.
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Just noticed DavidFCG mentioned the same problem a few post back, proving that there is a widespread demand. Anyway, i believe the free game list is just another version of the bundle list with slightly different configuration, meaning that it can easily be implemented. Hope steamgift will really consider.
And for the ratio, it's a bit too much to worry about. It has never been a fair measure because each game are different(bundled/unbundled/expensive/cheap), yet they all gives a +1 count. Hence there is a CV which you can rely on. Just abandon the count ratio, and use a value ratio instead.
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Problem:You have blacklisted users who have since been permanently banned.
Solution:Implement this into Steamgifts proper so it works for all users:
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/nV9XP/userscript-find-those-bans-035-check-when-the-user-was-last-online
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You can use this script, it tells you which user in your bl is perma-banned.
https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/nV9XP/userscript-find-those-bans-035-check-when-the-user-was-last-online
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problem: you get offended all the time.
solution: don't get offended.
problem: you play the victim to get attention.
solution: don't play the victim.
problem: you think someone is guilty because of what you read on the forums.
solution: think twice before acting, sometimes there's a background history for someone acting in certain way.
problem: people dislike you.
solution: don't force them to like you.
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Yirg asked for ideas to solve the forum's problems, not a guide on how to fix your life in four easy steps!
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Problem: think the community is going downhill?
Solution: actively engage in the brighter parts of the community, befriend on steam the more positive types and maybe they in turn can introduce you to some more bright lights . and the cycle continues until the area around you is lit up with no shadows
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Problem: Steamgift have several threads where you can spread love but if you want to "spread hate" there is nowhere and people just save it inside each one.
Solution: Create a hate thread where everyone are free to say "Today I had a shitty day, in the morning I lost the bus and then I paid $30 to an annoying taxi driver" and things like that.
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(solution seems more like a way to vent off bad days unless you want to spread actual hate, like, against people which probably toils into the possible worst outcome)
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Well, vent off bad days is another way of call it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
The only rule would be:
Spread hate to people who isn't registered in SG? sure.
Spread hate to other members? nope.
Not sure if I'm explaining myself, my english isn't the best.
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Spread hate to other members? nope.
We must be the only group that manages to invite people in so we can shoot them in the face, insult everyone yet maintain a high standard while having very low standards. How this has managed to work for this amount of time fuck knows.
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Problem: People spreading hate and rumors to notable figures such as rachellove who left the community partially because of the hate
Solution: People should appreciate the ones who are benefitting the community. At least, give a word of thanks and defend these notable figures from haters and trolls as long those notable figures never did anything wrong.
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Problem: you're infuriated by the number of giveaways for a given game (let's call it "clocksquad fission" for example).
Solution: use the "hide" functionality already present on the site and with a single click never see another GA for that game.
Sorted! They should get me working on world peace, I tell you...
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Problem: People posting topics asking for opinions and others attack those opinions.
Solution: Realize not everyone has to agree with you and has an equal right to speak their mind. Level 0-10, country of origin. etc shouldn't matter. We're all equal here.
Problem: People complaining about being blacklisted.
Solution: Don't make a thread about it. You'll only get more blacklists.
Problem: People who dislike those who make region-locked giveaways.
Solution: Be a bit more understanding that not everyone has as easy a time buying ROW gifts as you.
EDIT: Ah damn, one more.
Problem: People calling others "leeches" or "leechers."
Solution: Just stop it. This is a giveaway site and it makes you look bad saying that.
I could go on, but those three four are in my top 10, at least. :3
not interested in the giveaway, thanks anyway
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problem with #3 is that a lot of people missuse this feature - sure it's supposed to work how it works and i fully support it for fully locked regions, which we have a lot nowadays, but people use it for ROW keys as well just to exclude anyone not from their country while thety feel free to enter all ROW keys. I don't mind a single locked gift GA on SG, but for example for my region 99% of GAs are not for locked keys but for ROW keys (easy to determine if you see someone making GAs for all games from current bundle yet makes them all Region Locked) just to share with much smaller part of the community.
There is no easy soluttion to this problem, at least none that I can think of, but at the same time you gotta understand that someone making a ROW GA seeing that winner makes only locked GAs, even for bundle keys, may feel disspointed/angry and because of that mey decide to exclude Regional Gifters from their gAs to fight it.
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Again, and I emphasize this point - I asked for a bit more understanding, and not complete tolerance. There are always exceptions.
Speaking from a personal perspective, I see little or no difference between people who make only group/whitelist giveaways (ROW or not) and those who make only region-locked giveaways.
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same here, maybe with a difference that you have a bigger power over who's on your WL or which groups you join and who is into them than over who lives in your region ;) But same as someone making ONLY GAs for group is unfair in my eyes (I don't mean majority of GAs being for groups, WLs etc, but give something to whole community as well if you're taking from whole community as well) same is making fake region GAs just for the sake of making all your GAs be for your region no matter if they are locked or not.
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Agreed. There are always exceptions, but I believe there could be a bit more understanding all around to help solve someone of the issues with the "hate" (and I use that term extremely loosely because I don't believe in hate) toward region-locked users.
I used to be absolutely ham-fisted about that, but in all honesty, these days I just want someone to be happy they won a game and it doesn't matter to me where they live. Besides, many times, exploiters are easily spotted. :P
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Problem: People calling others "leeches" or "leechers."
Solution: Just stop it. This is a giveaway site and it makes you look bad saying that.
This can't be said enough. I've always harboured a strong dislike for that term. Or to be more precise, I find it extremely off putting how it gets thrown around so easily and nonchalantly by seemingly everyone, and absolutely detest how pervasive and indelible the L-word has become around here. All my time in Steamgifts could not desensitise me to it, and I still cringe a little bit every time I see it (even when used in a self-deprecating manner). To be even more precise, it's less the word itself that bothers me so much, but rather the accusatory and sanctimonious connotations implied and inherent in its usage.
I probably sound like a proper holier-than-thou c*nt now, I realise that, but dammit, I just wish people would stop saying it. Just stahp. Plz. KTHXBAI.
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So eloquently put. ;_; Thank you for saying it so much better than I could.
One of my favorite sayings lately is "We're all leeching something on SG."
So yeah, while it might not be games for everyone, we're all getting something good out of being here, or we wouldn't be. ;)
I also detest that word now, and try to politely discourage people from using it. :X
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I don't have a "problem", this is more like a suggestion.
Problem: I once wanted to create an event that would require me to WL some people to participate in a giveaway later, but I neither wanted to mix random people with my WL nor empty my WL just for that. So I had to scrap that idea.
Solution: Allow multiple WLs or the creation of any kind of timed list.
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Problem: Too many rule breakers (rules of all sorts) as a result of not reading the FAQ or having common sense.
Solution: Make the FAQ a mandatory read while signing up. The user must then answer a basic quiz with questions revolving around the FAQ. Also, before they create their first giveaway, a warning/reminder should appear linking them to the specific part of the FAQ regarding giveaways. Something like that can apply to the first time they decide to post on the forums, too. As a result, punishments can also be made more severe which would also serve as a deterrent.
The warning could be something like requiring a checkbox to be ticked (after providing recommended readings) and if they break a rule, then there is no excuse for them.
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Problem: You don't like puzzles.
Solution: Don't solve them.
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Also voted for "read the post from the beginning".
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"leave the saltiness & bitterness out of this thread. Be concise & constructive."
If you are suggesting removing the people who make giveaways, maybe instead we should remove the ones which haven't made giveaways for years but still win games regularly and complain in the forums. In a community of giving things away, I doubt the second offers more value.
Better way to state it:
Problem: People complaining about others not giving gifts away as often or of as much value as they'd like.
Solution: Understanding that other people's socioeconomic situation may get in the way and their money is their's to do as they please.
(note: I don't think it's much of an excuse for not giving anything away since you can buy a game for 20 cents to give away to the community as a "thank-you" after multiple-wins).
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Problem : Replying to a certain people triggers you & made your mood bad
Solution : Ignore them or blacklist them and move on
Problem : "I'm new here, how to level up? How to make giveaway? I don't know the rules, I don't know that I can't give my won GA to other people"
Solution : SG need to make FAQ section as main page, or well at least make them accept term&service.. At least tried to make they read it :(
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The idea is simple. Present a problem you think plagues this forum, and offer a constructive solution. Ideally it should be a solution that people can implement by changing their point of view and/or their behavior, but it can also be a technical solution, e.g. a change to site rules or the way it works (you can assume cg is reading this, assumption is free). No walls of text please, and leave the saltiness & bitterness out of this thread. Be concise & constructive.
The key for Grim Dawn was contributed by PeteOzzy. I'll use random.org to pick a winner from those who present a problem and suggest a solution. If the winner already owns Grim Dawn, I'll look for games on their wishlist that I may have keys for, and if successful I will let them pick one. If that doesn't work I'll just use random.org to pick another winner.
Update: Winner picked; key sent :-)
Thank you!
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