but i won x3 of what i gave away...and won some aaa-ish games
Comment has been collapsed.
But you're still doing good give aways yourself, and even have a public one up currently.
I'm sorry, you just don't measure up as "biggest leecher" in my opinion.
Also love the avatar.
Comment has been collapsed.
I don't blacklist anyone, it's just not worth the time. And about leechers... as you said, you can't tell what's going on with other's lives so can't judge based on a comment I saw somewhere or if that person has been very lucky and wins a lot and can't afford to keep making giveaways... who knows. The only action I may take on this topic is when someone wins a giveaway of mine and he/she has won way more than what has given away and also owns a lot of games. I rather give my game to someone who will appreciate it and use it than to someone who will just leave it there, I'm no game-collector-hater but I just don't feel like feeding them like that, specially because I can't really give a lot.
Comment has been collapsed.
I could say something about people that just have to pay more because, you know, currencies and stuff. Or about people that have to spend their money on things that are more important than games. Well I could, but I don't really see the point of doing that.
So if you're offended that I actually came here to have a chance of getting more free games that I have given out, then feel free to blacklist me. I'd feel like a dick getting a game from someone, that actually wouldn't want to give it to me.
Comment has been collapsed.
Varies what leecher is. Usually its someone who won lots of games but never gave back but then there's also people who regift the won gifts and are thus still considered leechers.
Comment has been collapsed.
As far as I'm concerned, a "leecher" is a term used by people to justify... something... I'm not even sure what it is. Ego? Unneeded hatred? Jealousy?
Either way, if I recall correctly from a few years ago, the point of the site is to give willingly when you want to give. Regardless of what the masses think that hasn't changed for me, so the number of wins/giveaways/entries/comments/whatever people have is not something I'd judge them for...
I would on the other hand judge people for showing huge fits of stupidity and lack of humanity, but it takes being a massive asshole to end up on my blacklist thing- I use it as a reminder not to trust those people.
Comment has been collapsed.
Personally I don't care if people "leech" I give when i can, if I can't, I'm happy there are those who are willing. Some people may not have the money to give, I've been there, it sucks, no reason to hate on people for just doing what the site is designed for, entering giveaways. It's not really a giveaway if you expect them to return the favor anyway.
Comment has been collapsed.
Leecher is someone who gives very little and takes (or tries to take) very much.
I don't blacklist leechers. I blacklist only people who break SG's rules.
Comment has been collapsed.
People with a curious fetish which involves sucking blood off of other people.
Seriously now, it had a meaning but nowadays people just use it as blanket term for whoever they don't like.
Comment has been collapsed.
My opinion is that a leecher is nonexistent. This is a giveaway site, a charity. You'd don't complain when people take food from the local food pantry without giving back to it, do you? So why should you complain when people take the games that you are intentionally giving away to random strangers when they don't give something in return?
Comment has been collapsed.
I would qualify them as food-leechers though if they came to the place in an Audi R8 :p
Comment has been collapsed.
Considering that an Audi R8 in good shape could buy you a house and a cheap car instead, I'd say their priorities are wrong for starters and well most likely I'll classify them as leechers because it is in their power to give something away but they choose not to do so and instead drive a car that's way too expensive for their current financial situation. It's like knowing you are in 3 private groups, you need to buy 3 gifts that month, instead you put all your money in GTA5 for yourself, and then be like, guiz i got no moneyz for gifts sry :x
Comment has been collapsed.
Well ... I guess I don't care about cars so wasn't sure what that was in the first place. I do suppose that my analogy wasn't perfect, but analogies rarely are, and I'm pretty sure they regulate in some way who is eligible to receive food anyway (our local one does). And the difference between a private giveaway group and SteamGifts itself is that in one you have obligations that you are supposed to fulfill. SteamGifts doesn't force people to make giveaways and all giveaway creators have an option to make a giveaway that only people who have given can enter. So I guess I don't understand what the problem is?
Comment has been collapsed.
That still doesn't necessarily mean a leecher is nonexistent. ;)
I will agree with the part that one does not necessarily need to give to not be considered a leecher - it is also my opinion anyway - but there are exceptions (albeit rare) where one may very well qualify for displaying the exact behaviour a leecher does.
Just to throw ONE extreme example into the air... would you consider a guy with 2000+ games on his library, 100+ gifts on his inventory up for trade, tons of wins here (yes, tons, don't feel like defining a number, whichever you feel is tons) and 0 games given not a leecher? ;)
One can not make the argument that one cannot buy a gift if one already possesses it (it's not like SG asks you to get it through a purchase, however you got it, if you have it, you can certainly gift it).
And this is just one example off the top of my head. :)
Comment has been collapsed.
I personally wouldn't say he's a leecher ... I'd say he's persistent if he has tons of wins and still a Level 0. :P
Comment has been collapsed.
Well, i know better than to feed a troll, so... ;)
Comment has been collapsed.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be a troll (attempted humor failed) ... just calling someone a leecher on this site based off of what the premise of it is seems ... stupid? Childish maybe. There's nothing forcing you from providing a giveaway and usually nothing stopping them from entering.
Comment has been collapsed.
Ok, so you weren't trolling, my bad then. The cheeky smile threw me off, but i'll own the mistake that i just assumed you were trolling. Mea culpa.
But am i right to interpret that per your opinion, i'm stupid (or childish) to even consider there is at the very least room to consider someone (regardless of whom and which circumstances) a leecher? Or did i misunderstand that too?
So the guy that a few weeks ago or so, that had just won a gift, then opens a thread, rants about how the game he won is crap (hadn't even played it, so not like he was taken by surprise after playing it, as he hadn't gotten quite there) and didn't care that he deprived someone else from winning that game that they might want...
That guy... that guy is also not a leecher... because???
Is it semantics? Is it really just the word? :D
Not assuming it's your case, but i've seen explicit posts complaining about the semantics, hence my genuine curiosity...
Or are you simply unwilling to change your stance, regardless of its logic or lack thereof?
Are you gonna spare re-gifters / users who don't activate their wins as well? Are they as well, not leechers at all?
It's one thing to feel it's being used too loosely by some people.
It's an entirely different thing to say it cannot be used, because such a thing does not exist.
And since the term leecher was coined after bittorrent became a thing, and the actual existing and correct term is leech and people seem so bent out of shape over semantics (again, not saying it's your case), then here's the definition fresh off the dictionary:
LEECH
noun
any bloodsucking or carnivorous aquatic or terrestrial worm of the class Hirudinea, certain freshwater species of which were formerly much used in medicine for bloodletting.
a person who clings to another for personal gain, especially without giving anything in return, and usually with the implication or effect of exhausting the other's resources; parasite.
Archaic. an instrument used for drawing blood.
Don't get me wrong though, you are entitled to an opinion and sticking to it (even if you have nothing to stand on to justify it), i just don't see the point in considering other opinions stupid if they differ from your own.
You are right that there's nothing forcing anyone to provide a giveaway, though. But there are ways to stop them from entering, that there are.
P.S.: This turned out to be far lengthier than i meant, sorry about that.
Comment has been collapsed.
Sorry, I come off it sometimes with my attempted humor and jests ... forums probably aren't always the right place for it.
And, no. I'm not calling the people who believe that stupid, I'm more saying it doesn't make sense to me, so to me the opinion is stupid, but not the people. I see it as childish in the way that a person providing the giveaway shouldn't feel entitled, they shouldn't expect that the winner do the same.
I would classify that guy as an ungrateful idiot, because why would you complain about free stuff that other people paid for and willingly gave you? Re-gifters and people who don't activate would be breaking the rules of the site, be it intentional or out of ignorance (still not acceptable), but if I had to classify a leecher it wouldn't be that.
My opinion is subject to change and I know that the topic of leechers doesn't concern me as much as people who have given hundreds of games away as they would be the people who have encountered this issue far more often than I have.
As for bittorrent and them coining the term of leecher, bittorrent and SteamGifts are completely different entities with vastly different purposes. Bittorrent works based on cooperation between people to keep a file available for download, SteamGifts works based on charity and good will. So I believe leecher is appropriate for bittorrent, but is invalid here on SteamGifts as it defeats the purpose of charity to expect something in return. SteamGifts does not require you to give away games, it is the community here that is trying to impose a requirement.
Comment has been collapsed.
Honestly though, even having agreed with some opinions here and there...
I'll sum up mine as considering someone a leecher when said someone not only has not contributed in any positive way (and any means any - whichever form of contributing there is, if the user hasn't done any, no point in catering to nitpickers by listing them all), but still acts entitled as if the world (and above all, SG's community - or a portion of it), owes him/her everything or anything...
Nobody here owes anyone a thing. And i don't see how anyone can dispute that fact.
Comment has been collapsed.
the whole spirit of this site is demeaned by these type of threads.
Comment has been collapsed.
yup. i understand the frustration of some people that like to give away games to the community, but these topics only creates trouble. leeches will try to justify their actions and noone will change their behavior. it's an endless loop.
the best thing people could do to restrict their giveaways is using a whitelist or levels, imo.
Comment has been collapsed.
If I don't want someone to win one of my games, I add a restriction so that they can't. I don't penalize anyone for wanting to receive a gift, however.
Comment has been collapsed.
Blacklist ftw ... although I don't think I could blacklist someone unless they scammed me ... or insulted my mother.
Comment has been collapsed.
For me, a leecher is someone who has at least $50 more in price than the giveaways they have won.
I have 3 levels for leechers.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Level 1: $50-$80 more won than sent. (Low L1: $50-$60 | Medium L1: $61-$69 | High L1: $70-$80)
Level 2: $90-$120 more won than sent. (Low L2: $90-$100 | Medium L2: $101-$109 | High L2: $110-$120)
Level 3: $130-$160 more won than sent. (Low L3: $130-$140 | Medium L3: $141-$149 | High L3: $150-$160)
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
You would be considered, by me, a High Level 3 leech.
I would only black-list a Medium Level 3 Leech, but I would look at there Steam profile to ensure this black-list.
That's how I do.
Comment has been collapsed.
Holy crap! You have an experience chart! These guys are gaining levels in leeching? No wonder they keep not giving anything away, you're rewarding them!
RoFL
Comment has been collapsed.
Lol. In this version the higher the Level you are the worst you are! Don't question game logic...
Comment has been collapsed.
oh, my apologies... It was just ummm... Difficult to see beneath that hardened metal exterior... But yea, I see it clearly now, how could I have not noticed?
Comment has been collapsed.
Some people join this site to give and some people to win. When you see a site that make giveaways you cant be a leecher. If you dont want people to "leech" then dont create minimum level giveaways. Still some people dont have the money to buy games so even if the win a simple indie game tha costs 50 cents on steam makes them happy. Anyway when you giveaway something do you wanna give it to someone that has money to make 200 giveaways or to someone that will actually play that cheap indie game?
Comment has been collapsed.
That's probably why I have no blacklist... I can't judge.
Comment has been collapsed.
level-restricted or whitelist are the best option. sad but true. <3
Comment has been collapsed.
Someone who enters a lot of giveaways, does not give anything back and who could easily give something back without it having any noticeable negative impact on that persons economy. Basically, I would consider you a leecher if you have a lot of expensive games, won a lot of games, but never given anything of any real value back.
But I don't blacklist leachers, only rude people or people who are breaking the rules.
Comment has been collapsed.
probably people with a ratio of won/ga games of 4:1 or something like that.
blacklist is only for trolls, rude people and those who constantly look for trouble.
Comment has been collapsed.
I need help, is this a leecher?
Comment has been collapsed.
Z only giveaway bundle games, but won non-bundled games, is Z a leecher?
Comment has been collapsed.
Inspired by http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/D5CPJ/blacklisting-botsleechers
I've seen tons of definition of "leecher", some of them are hilarious, some are just senseless...
according to you, what is a leecher ?
Let's discuss about the behavior of the random users X and Y.
X gifted 100 and received 150, is X a leecher ?
Y gifted 250 ONLY in private gift-exchange groups and received 200 (he won some public GA too), is Y a leecher ?
X has a script that posts a random thx-comment in every GA he joins, is X a leecher ?
Y sometimes post a random thx-comment, but if Y wins, he always posts a thx, is Y a leecher ?
X gifted 100 and received 200, is X a leecher ?
Y gifted 400 (Y is american\european but has gifted a lot of russian\brazilian non bundled stuff - a lot of IGN free games of the month - whatever; TL-DR Y has spent less money than X to reach 400) and received 300, is Y a leecher ?
X is 14 years old, has 5$/per-month, X gifted 50 and received 200, is X a leecher ?
Y is 30 years old, has a work, Y gifted 200 and received 200, is Y a leecher ?
TL;DR:
How do you judge people you don't know ? I mean, I'm aware that the world is dark and full of jerks but... things are not quite so simple always as black and white.
I have more than 100 users in my blacklist, (anyway most of them are scammers that don't even use SG) but I've never blacklisted someone just because "ZOMG he won 200 and gifted the ship !!!!" I cannot know what's going on in his life, probably he's a jerk, or maybe he can barely afford a PC, I don't see why I should blacklist him, we have levels for that.
I usually blacklist people who break rules or rude guys. Now, my profile will probably be inspected and blacklisted by someone, like I give a shit about that.
So... what is a leecher for you ? do you blacklist them ?
Comment has been collapsed.