I'm guessing the winners of the nearly 30K games Icaio gave on the site.
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yeah we will miss the shovelware GAs with <50 entries
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If that's how you measure someone's contribution to the community, that says a lot about you... GoatPimp? Sorry if it's misspelled I had never seen you before.
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GoatPimp? Sorry if it's misspelled I had never seen you before.
You are throwing "You are not even active here" at another user?
Is that's how you acted in those threads too? No wonder they actually got banned.
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Hm... no I was just saying I never met them before.
And since you don't know me either, I will ask you to kindly keep your asssumptions to yourself.
You won, aren't you happy?
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Hm... no I was just saying I never met them before.
How is this relevant to the conversation at all? And how can you misspell his name, if it's shown right there?
And since you don't know me either
I have seen you post in forums.
Again, just because I don't post much, doesn't mean I don't read them.
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How is this relevant to the conversation at all? And how can you misspell his name, if it's shown right there?
I'm sorry, are you the brand new content editor for SG? Do we need to run our posts by you so you can get them banned like you got threads banned? Did I miss a memo?
I slept very little and I make typos and I ddin't want someone to feel like I insulted them on purpose by mistyping their name. Is that enough of an explanation for you?
I have seen you post in forums.
I see. And that means you know me.
Again, just because I don't post much, doesn't mean I don't read them.
This is all fascinating but i still don't know what your post is about and since you have make a good enough show of whiteknighting for the other dude, and I will from now on ignore irrelevant follow up posts, I guess you can rest easy. Have a good life.
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I slept very little and I make typos and I ddin't want someone to feel like I insulted them on purpose by mistyping their name.
Here's a pro tip: you can copy paste text.
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I'm sorry, are you the brand new content editor for SG? Do we need to run our posts by you so you can get them banned like you got threads banned? Did I miss a memo?
Watch out, this post is getting too problematic and is inviting too many toxic comments, censorship might be applied 📝📕
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Yeah you wouldn't want people to discuss and disagree on things, that's anarchy.
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It could be argued that icaio is one of a handful of people who make this site truly viable. And...nobody needs to ask for permission to share an opinion. Unless it's considered a sensitive topic by mods, that is. ;)
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I'm sure the site will miss Girls in Pajamas and Among Ass very dearly :)
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I don't think anyone should throw a stone at people making GAs on SG considering there are more and more leeches and fewer gifters every day.... not unless they themselves post AAA games or whatever makes someone worthy in your view.
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I'd say giving away absolute asset flip/shovelware garbage is about on par with leeching and giving away nothing. Both contribute negatively to the site. I say, throw all the stones, the less of that shit i see the better.
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no wonder i black listed you - if you have this attitude in real life , i pity you
edit: if people didn't want their giveaways why do they have people enter and before you say they won't get played - how many of your giveaways are getting installed? - i know a lot of mine won't be
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the big difference being that Icaio has been there for years sharing posts, making people laugh, contributing in more ways than one.
If you don't like his GAs don't enter them.
I just don't get why everyone feels entitled to getting everything they are not interested in banned or erased these days.
Don't like a thread? Don't read it. Don't like a GA, put the game in your ignore list. Don't like a user, use the ignore script or blacklist them.
And you won't see them anymore.
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I just don't get why everyone feels entitled to getting everything they are not interested in banned or erased these days.
Did i say that anywhere in my comment? The thread is open for public discussion isn't it? I never said i want these GAs banned, but i'm also not going around saying that giving away a shit ton of garbage makes you some saint of the community. Give away what you want, and let people be honest about it, especially when you make your departure from the site some grand announcement.
Don't like a thread? Don't read it. Don't like a GA, put the game in your ignore list. Don't like a user, use the ignore script or blacklist them.
I couldn't give less of a shit about the games, and so i hide them, but i'm not gonna pretend like they're some godsend that makes the site any better. If we all ignore things we don't like, and share the same opinion, then what's even the point of the forum?
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We can argue about icaio's GAs all we want, but he's always been a kind and supportive person, and that should probably count for something, no? People like him actually made this community better.
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I think the site is fine, why are people with restricted giveaways the ones always crying about leeches and not enough gifts
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because entitled leechers like you are the reason for declining GAs
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Are you being ironic or just dense? The reason people are making group restricted GAs is because of the leeches.
But then again I don't see why crying about people crying about leeches is better than just crying about leeches.
It's you so I guess it's better. Have a nice life pimping goats.
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You're the one who started it.
Let's not kid ourselves, people do restricted GAs so they can gift each other and have a higher chance of winning, while raising their level.
Then some of them proceed to bitch about people who are using the site as it's intended. I just see people crying about leeches all the time, I see no problem with it. I would argue calling people leeches will just make the site less popular.
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if everyone was as you think then no one would ever make a giveaway again but whatever
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well yes there is no rule that forces people to make giveaways or what they can giveaway but if no one does then this site will no longer be active at all
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Luckily there are people who make public giveaways with good games and probably don't care about getting the value back.
Meanwhile there are people who only make restricted giveaways with barely 100 entries then proceed to cry about leeches.
It's just funny whenever I see someone complaining about leeches, mot likely they only make restricted giveaways, gifting only ~100 people isn't a lot better than being a low level leech, at least you can filter low level users, but you can't filter circle jerk gifters.
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you don't seem to understand that the reason people make restricted giveaways is to try and remove leeches form entering right? how hard is that to understand?
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I understand, I just don't think they are better than leeches. I bet they still enter public giveaways, they can even enter high level giveaways too, while only making giveaways for a really tiny fractions of the users. High level leeches.
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You're talking about people being leeches on other people, specifically on gifters. (Though without "leeches" who would enter for the obviously bad, or unwanted games?)
GoatPimp is talking about people who take from the shared, and only give to their club - they being a leech on the community.
Both type exist.
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i guess your correct and we messed up the info a bit and some people enter just to use up all their points and trust me if you or i or anyone put up a game which has mostly negative reviews you would still get well over 100 entries most the time even putting it up for just an hour or two and i bet a lot of them would also give away games also but thanks for clearing it up a bit
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you mean public giveaways of games you want = i can get games for free again - it's people like you that are killing this site
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Blacklists are like breakups. The best way to get over them is to live well and forget them.
Keep making great GAs and the people who blacklisted you will regret it ;)
And yeah those 200 bucks games get added to the ** no CV list eventually but it takes time and gives mods way too much work tbh.
And proud of it (well, as much as I'm proud of anything. Pride is overrated. Lets have more humility)
Humility is also overrated. Kindness and respect for others and their differences is where our minds should be. Pride is better than shame, that's how I see it. And all the more power to you for acknowledging it, and kudos for helping make way for others. I can only guess the 80ies were not exactly queer friendly.
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Heh the Boy George effect ;)
I guess we've come a long way in some ways, not far enough in others but at least some things have changed for the better, despite the efforts of the leave it to beaver people.
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Jokes on you... Topic closed by mods for being too sensitive in 3... 2... 1...
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Exactly. There are people who make giveaways, some who don't and then some who do and make the site a community with threads, support, financial and friendly. Icaio was of the latter and SG lost a little bit of soul that has nothing to do with numbers or even games.
The people who don't understand that are the ones who treat SG as a free games vending machine.
Those who participate in the site understand a community is people.
Also, careful, your nickname contains the word Orc. You never know, it might be problematic now.
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"Also, careful, your nickname contains the word Orc. You never know, it might be problematic now."
The old world will burn in the fires of industry. Forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machine of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the orc.
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He has given more than 29.000 giveaway. He deserves all our respect
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I am sorry about that. Thanks for all the giveaways
If you are asking about those threads, they have been closed, considering how divisive they were to the community.
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That seems like a white flag on free speech doesn't it?
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Yep, Ramadan and Pride threads are also divisive, for instance. According to the new rules, a Pride thread might be created, but it will be closed as soon as homophobes arrive and shit hits the fan.
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Exactly. There is a big difference between "free speech" and "hate speech" but some people just like to cry about it.
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😢maybe.
It is sketchy at this point and will probably be fine-tuned in the future
It is natural for SG people to be involved in the guidelines.
So, I suggest you don't panic and wait and see.
I think you are right to express your intentions through your actions as you do.
However, I think you should add more of your opinion to the guidelines so that they are not too wordy.
For example, if there were bot vs. human submission battles and the support team had to keep dealing with them because they were a burden and interfered with normal present and fraud prevention, it would be natural to assume that the support team and CG discussed and decided on priorities.
🙄Well, that's my thinly based guess.
At the very least, it is natural to assume that there was some kind of heavy burden, given that the decision was not made solely by CG for operational convenience.
Even if you just can't stand the feeling want you to leave the community until things improve and then come back.
Well, it's because everything is so hard.
Maybe it's time for a game of feel-good.
Let's talk again when you get settled.🍵🍘🕹📺☕🧁🍕
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Sorry to read that but understanding it.
I hope we cross paths on more welcoming grounds, my friend.
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I'm sorry to read this, but I understand you. I'm thinking about this myself right now.
In any case. I hope we might "run" into each other again and may you have a nice weekend, icaio! :-)
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Sorry to read (the headline). Hope to see you again at some point.
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I personally wait.
If Eid, LGBTQ support topic, Christmas, or similar gets closed down instead of sending the trolls to the shadow realm - that will be the sign that desensitized compliance is worth more than cultured discussions, and I'll be done with the site.
I have no idea why is the guideline phrased so vaguely that it's clearly open to shenanigans like "making any topic controversial in comments"? Why no promises or at least a mention towards acting against the actors who incite discord and hate, and nothing against the topic creator if they aren't acting that way?
In case of the 2 recent topics, some people on both sides in each acted like animals tearing at eachother, these blanket statements doesn't do any to encourage people to post in the future.
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Yeah, I agree. They can't just close down every topic where there are arguments. Just ban the trolls.
If people can't play nice, the banning of politics and religion topics is probably warranted, at least for a while. But, they can't just ban every topic that might bring debate. I didn't see the worst of that, but I'm guessing it was bad.
I actually had to put the Current Events section of my former forum in a private area. You couldn't see it if logged out. And if you caused enough problems, you lost your privileges to read or post there. Surely, they could do that here for Serious Topics if people are being particularly obnoxious. There's no need to close down non-gaming discussions altogether just because a handful of people can't behave.
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The understandable, but inherent problem here that this is a giveaway site. The forum is an addition to that, and I think it haven't been seriously considered to have those forum tools, like reading/posting rights, properly separate subforums and such. It's a happy medley with a filter that doesn't work on the main site, and a discussions page that load all of the topics before you click to actually filter your previously set sub-topics, being unable to hide any singular topic.
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Yeah, that's a bit of a mess haha! Topic banning would be a Godsend for more colourful characters.
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Thanks for your giveaways!
Take care and have a nice weekend :)
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Sadly, you guys are taking this website a bit too seriously.
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sorry to see you go but isn't it a bit petty to leave just because a new rule is in place
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Yeah, a new rule that bans any kind of meaningful discussion.
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no it doesn't it just stops people shouting their politic views on a gaming site
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The rules are very vague to say it the least, dipping toes in the grey area
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You can have a number of meaningful discussions without going into "current hot and controversial topics". Be it about philosophy, science, personal experiences, reviews of games and other kinds of media, even politics but in an abstract fashion, where the thing being discussed is the pursued goal / ideal state of things that we strive to achieve - I believe it's actually way more meaningful to have a discussion in this form instead of discussing some day-to-day happenings, even if they seem important to us at the moment they are happening.
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Depends on the rule. When the Nazis began imposing new rules against Jews in the 1930s, many people decided to leave Germany. And not just Jews. It was the smartest thing they ever did. (At least for those who managed to get far enough away.)
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well how does stopping others winning games - really punish CG
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I'm not sure it's about punishment. It may be about no longer wanting to be a part of what is happening with the community.
But yeah, if active giveaway creators like icaio leave, it will definitely make steamgifts less active, which means less ad revenue.
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well good riddance according to some anyway - https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/JrkP1/no-more-giveaways-nor-content-from-me-wake-up-cg-blocked-you-on-patreon#iFL1Jvo this siteis better off without his poison and evil giveaways (i for one always liked him and the giveaways and i'm sad they are leaving)
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I don't think that CG cares about GA creators that much. There was a buch of big contributors removed from SG thanks to their unwanted activity on discussions.
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Sad to see you go. Personally, I intend to go on using SG for GAs, the forum is dead as of today. And I've got a strong suspicion that SG is going to lose quite a few active members in the next few days.
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New rules about not making forum posts about extrremely divisive events.
Wars in Ukraine and Israel are the current focus, but many users are now concerned about other issues that may get taken down due to trolls. Such as LGBTQ+ and immigration.
I think they're over reacting as this is being done in good faith to keep the space more positive, and a little less divisive.
I do agree there needs to be another move the mods could make, by allowing us to hide threads we're not interested in, and maybe have a section of the forum for these conversations that dopesnt get pushed to the main page.
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For me it isn't only that the second rule change is way too vague to not put the Pride thread at risk. It's even more so that said second rule in conjunction with the last sentence of cg's post feels like a slap. This vaguely worded rule followed by :
We want SG to continue being a welcoming place to both new and existing users and I think the new additions above are important in helping us maintain that atmosphere.
This does not signal to me 'welcoming', it signals if enough people make enough noise you'll get the short end of the stick. So I will think carefully if I really want to continue visiting a place where I don't feel welcome anymore.
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Yeah, many things in life are contradictory, but CG is doing his best, and maybe we can offer more help, than just over react and pre-assume abusive censorship to come.
I am quite surprised the Ukraine thread wasnt forcibly closed after the first few months as most communities i've been around would have decided long ago that it was inappropriate in this space.
So these new rules are obviously super new, and need to be refined.
Let us as a community assist with refining them.
I like the idea of being able to hide threads, and making a WAY out there section for the forum that doesnt auto show in your discussion section, unless you are following the thread.
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I like your approach of assuming good-faith and actually trying to help.
Personally, I'm quite surprised SG still doesn't have a Discord server - wouldn't that allow for easier management of different discussion topics, moderation of hot-heads that go a bit too far on a given day, and a number of other tools tailored for this type of community/situation?
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Thx for that. I was letting myself get to heated responding to this guy, who sounds like he has some personal reasons to be upset. I just dont like generalizing about humans, especially when someone is using it to direct hate and angst.
Good point about discord. I dont often use it often, but just about everyone and everything has a group there these days.
But it would also make things easier to have something like an "Adult" section, where you have to follow threads for them to appear on your main discussions page. Also to be able to hide discussions you have no interest in.
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There is an unofficial one already that has been around for a few years.
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likely, if nothing changes.
I assume that russians and regular trolls may start to make shit in topics about LGBTQ+, sanctions, various cataclysms, etc., which may lead to the rule being canceled or made less strict.
Anyway, I can't do giveaways now, because we are in the middle of the war. It is better to buy powerbanks to survive the winter.
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It will lead to rule getting refined, as those running this site seem to honestly trying to make things better for everyone.
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Yikes!
Sorry things got dramatic, and you're leaving...
I enjoyed your quirky humor, perspective, and of course rain of giveaways each week.
Blessings on your efforts and wherever you end up out there in the wilds of the internet.
Maaad Love to you! 💓💓💓
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Understandable, but, I'd still give it a little time, the new policies, say that they'll determine what qualifies as a sensitive subject or event based on the type of discussion inside. If I read that correctly, discussion seems to still be allowed... So long as the participants do not resort to hostility between people with different opinion and views.
Of course, I could also be misinterpreting, and any topic with politics, religion, sexuality, public health emergencies, terrorism and related activities, conflict, or mass acts of violence, etc. could be instantly closed.
Since we still don't know, we can only wait and see.
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Hey mate, I won a few of your giveaways and wanted to say thanks very much for the opportunities and your humor, and I wish you well in the future.
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I'm sorry to see you go.
I quite enjoyed your humor, and your giveaways
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Understandable. Hope we can stay in touch on steam though, even if I'm not too talkative most of the times.
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I'm sad to see you go Icaio. I hope you'll reconsider, maybe give it some time? It won't be the same without your posts and comments here and there. （◞‸◟）
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Can't blame you for that, is a fairly reasonable response to the fairly unreasonable response CG had to this whole mess, as if pretending that something doesn't exist is going to make the problem go away.
I'm personally a moderately disappointed by CG's new measures, banning entire subject matters from being talked about rather than banning those who were spewing hate and intolerance, showing the trolls that they can have power in here if they make enough noise and poison the discussions. I won't be leaving myself tho, at least not yet, for I still hold some hope in this community... although it might just be emotional attachment after spending almost a third of my life in here, an unwillingness to see that the boat is not just taking in water, but it's actually rotting from the inside.
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I'm sad to see this.
I guess there was a good intent not to hurt people in those threads which swiftly backfired as some issues won't get heard anymore some safety harbours are closed. It was the wrong decision imho.
Thanks for all that you did for this community btw.
Take care!
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blocked cg on Patreon. asked and got refund from PayPal.
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no wonder i black listed you - if you have this attitude in real life , i pity you
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why thank you i welcome everybody to black list me (all it does to my knowledge) is stop me winning their giveaways for which i don't even enter anyway - if it does anything else i'd love to know - so thank you again
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Create small group/wl ga only.
Brags about adding somebody to blacklist..
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That me. Aaaaaaaaaand?
You did one public ga month ago. All I see on your profile are group ga with abot 5 entries. If that's not CV farming at it's finest then idk what it is.
EDIT: it was closed ga, not public xD Community train probably xD
Nobody would feel threaten by your blaclist since nobody is able to enter your giveaways except of those few selected people with whom you are farming CV.
Fucking leech. No offence to leechers. I have no problem with people who do not contribute to the GA pool. But Leechers that brag about blacklisting somebody? Ugh
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Lol, CV farming while not gaining any CV, yeah your logic makes a lot of sense doesn't it? I've done many public giveaways just this year, just because you're a fucking moron that can't look past one page of GAs, that doesn't mean they don't exist. Enjoy that blacklist buddy.
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You haven't ever heard about something called, donating? He wasn't paying to use a free site as you say. He was paying to support it.
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Sorry to hear that bud, but I get it. It definitely won't be the same without you around. Might not be far behind you the way things are going. So long, and thanks for all the fish.
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why because this site is no longer focused on war scaring?
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This site used to much more. It had a great community, probably one of the best online gaming community.
It was welcoming, for real.
I stopped being active years ago.
I started working, didn't have enough time, also something changed, there was more toxicity, groups of people fighting each other, etc...
This is just the final nail in the coffin
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Tbh people arguing because of stress, fear, frustration and grief felt because of the wars is way more valid than whatever fights "groups of people" did a few years ago. People arguing is not a new thing, the reason is.
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grazie Spaz.
not going anywhere, also. pausing and reflecting.
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This sucks. The sad reality is that, in the eyes of those running the site, a valuable member of the community is the same as a freshly created account. Numbers always go up, so one less doesn't make any difference.
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most companies give the deals to "new" customers don't they?
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edit: kinda speechless, thank you.
"kinda" 'cause not going anywhere... pausing and reflecting
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