They have been implemented so users who contributed don't have to pick among indie bundles ;)
More serious answer:
If you contribute (aka "make a successful giveaway with more than 1 entry") then the value of that game will be added to the value of total "money given" - you can see the amount on your user profile.
This value will determine if you can enter a contributor giveaway or not, depending on the minumum value that the creator of the giveaway has selected.
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They have been added as a way for gifters to properly thank the people who makes this site possible at all. There is still a good number of non-contibutors giveaway that are not indie bundles and it's a new feature so I'm guessing a lot of people are trying it out.
I know it's annoying to see giveaways you can't enter because you haven't given enough (or anything at all) but you should instead be grateful that there are people buying games with their own money and giving them away to complete strangers. Even if sometimes the games you could win aren't all that great in your opinion.
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Who said anything about "wanting something in return" ?
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You can still enter the non-contributor giveaways.
It's not like SG suddenly became one of those Steam groups where you have to create a giveaway.
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It's up to the contributor to decide whether he wants to give away something for everyone that the leeches can also partake in or whether he wants to restrict it to those that have actually helped this site grow and stay alive. It has nothing to do with the site itself.
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The site being alive has nothing to do with this system being implemented. It was alive and kicking before, with the important difference that it was solely based on generosity. There is no need to want something in return in a community that is based on that. Surely you see what I am saying? And to al the "leeches", and "greedy babies" remarks... well you're bad members of this community and should rather enjoy steamtrade.com.
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Funny how someone who has never created a giveaway is calling others "bad members of this community". It's as simple as this, some people don't want their giveaway going to a person who is never going to contribute back to the community. End of story.
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Yeah actually I have. You claim that people are now only giving away games because they expect something back but that is an incredibly silly argument and anyone expecting that is going to be sorely mistaken. It's pretty obvious you're just upset that you're seeing some good giveaways with slightly better odds that you are unable to join. It seems like every person whining about not being able to contribute back to the community has some sob story but guess what, if you really wanted to you could purchase a Visa giftcard and poof you would be able to contribute to the community simple as that. Giving perks to people who contribute back to the community is not going to ruin it. Also having perks for those people doesn't mean anyone contributing to the community is doing it for that reason only. You're not the first and not going to be the last person to have this exact argument.
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It is also worth noting that the site has become extremely more active once the contributor feature was implemented.
Most visibly, prior to the contributor feature, there was only an average of 10 pages worth of giveaways active at any time. Over the last several weeks there has been an average of around 25 pages.
In other words, creating a reward system has incentivized giving. You (Tilen) can complain about people not giving "based solely on generosity" and that the site was "alive and kicking before the contributor feature" but the fact remains that the site is MORE active and MORE gifts are being given now than ever before.
I'd say that is a good thing.
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This change is going to help the site. I imagine most people will be encouraged to create giveaways so they can take part in contributor only giveaways with a better chance of winning.
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Just do yourselves a favor and when the holiday steam event comes around, give away a game or two that you recieve from steam (uassually something you wont even bother with anyway) and you'll get contributor points.
Dont have to spend any money at all, but you get the title "contributor"
Now Quit Whining. :3
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Nobody is whining, but the people have taken a rather aggresive stance, which is quite an irony when they start calling people "babies" (i.e. immature). Besides, the whole idea is in question here, not the fact that I should or not contribute, but even so, some people just cannot contribute.
For example, I don't have a credit-card and I only do my Steam purchases through paysafe cards or asking friends to buy them for me and then giving them hard currency in return. Buying paysafe cards is however not enjoyable. So, to illustrate a bit how I can indeed contribute: I got a few gifts on Steam in the past, and when I get a game to gift, I always return the favor. All this without some forcefed restriction.
edit: and besides, when I GIVE something away I don't expect anything from them. It's how GIFTS (should) work.
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a 1$ for fortix wouldnt hurt... many contributor giveaways only require 0.01 cent contribution
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we dont expect something in return when we give something, what's your point?
just because you can't enter them doesnt mean you have to whine about it.
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Agree with ArchLich.
Or just "wanting to say thank you to the people that have given already."
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Saying thank you is asking for something in return? You are confused.
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They are.
You are free to enter non-contributor giveways, as you have been before.
You don't have to thank anyone if you win here (though that would be not nice, but whatever keeps your pony going).
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See, people who give stuff here aren't screaming "Hey, give us something back in return!"
I give up, you're obviously a "glass half empty" person that believes, in this case, all contributors give to receive. And that doesn't seem to be open to any other views.
Tbh, it doesn't matter if a person gives to receive or not, you're still getting free shit anyways.
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That's the thing, though: you aren't demanding anything. You are looking at it from the wrong aspect. Contributor giveaways are not a barrier to entry that demand people contribute more just to be involved. They are a barrier to entry that say, "You've given this much already? I want to give you the ability to win a game."
How is this any different than having a group that you are part of and only giving away a game to that group? Or making the giveaway not listed so that the person has to have the link? Or making a giveaway in the forum that is a puzzle? Do those options also bother you?
You are still deciding which subset of user you want to have access to your giveaway. This is just another option.
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You see, entering a community is free and so is solving a puzzle. Giving to people in a group only means you're giving it away for free to your friends. It doesn't mean you have to pay anything to anybody. Which is what I am trying to say this whole time.
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It doesn't really mean you have to pay anything to anybody... the contributor giveaways are for contributors. there are a lot more giveaways that aren't contributor only
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You're implying that time has no value. You're wrong. Time is the most precious thing a person can give. Plus in the time it takes a normal person to solve a puzzle you can earn a reasonable amount of money to buy a game with.
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What're you talking about? What are contributor only giveaway creators demanding in return? That someone that gave back to the community be the only ones able to enter? Like many times said before, it's up to the giveaway creator to set these parameters. You have plenty of public giveaways to chose from still. Contributor giveaways usually have better chances because there are many people who can't/won't giveaway so they are excluded.
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Flaw in your argument: A first time contributor cannot make his giveaway for contributors only. Also, you have to have been a contributor BEFORE the giveaway was ever created. Therefore you cannot demand they give something away to enter it, as they would have already had to have given something away. The people giving things away are multiple time contributors and the people entering it have previously contributed as well.
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See? There we go! Non-contributor, lol. On a site, that's called "steamGIFTS". Boy oh boy, do you people have a twisted view on how gifts are supposed to work.
edit: oh, and IF anything, this proves that it rather divides the community than makes it stronger.
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This thread seems to unite the community quite well.
I see noone else taking your side.
Especially since there are no valid arguments only "this is not how it is supposed to work" and "if I don't have the same chance as someone who donated hundreds of dolalrs, then all the free giveaways are no longer free"
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I know for a fact, that a gift is not material exchange. Whether you choose to return the FAVOR, it is up to you and you alone, it is not necessary.
And I'm pretty sure you got your share of gifts to which you didn't have to give anything in return.
Although I see what you're saying. There is this unwritten rule that you have to return something, but it just wrong. And this site was supposedto be based on that.
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Whether its right or wrong is irrelevant. At the end of the day there are people who don't appreciate the idea that the money they spent to contribute to this community might go to someone who is only here to get free stuff and has no interest in actually contributing to the community.
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No.
The contributor's giveaways are ways for grateful community members to "return the FAVOR" to those who have been so kind to the community.
And, there are still plenty of non-contributor giveaways, plenty of which are not bundles.
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As you can see, there are MANY different opinions on Contributor giveaways, yours included. Some think its bad (you). Some think its "I give you, you give me". Some think "Now i can't leech!". Some think it is rewarding and encouraging to those that are generous. ETC ETC.
My point is this: These people ARE the community. They are individuals, and they give in their own way. There is no "Right" or "Wrong" way to gift. If there was, this site would die pretty quick. This is community based, and individuals differ in opinion, and thus so must options for giveaways. This is freedom, and isn't that what generosity and giving is all about?
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Would you rather give a gift to a person who appreciates it or to a person who would just re-sell it or never use it? The sad point is that there is a lot of bad people in the user base here and there's a lot less scammers who give something in return (contributing). That's my take on it.
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You should probably take off your rose-tinted glasses. Doing good things for a person who laughs in your face and spits at you is not very pleasant. I'd rather reward the good guys in hopes that some of the assholes will see that being good pays back and change their bastard ways. Contributing isn't hard and you can get good value at various steam sales and it is counter-productive for scammers. This is one of the best filtering systems here yet.
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So when christmas rolls around you buy a gift for every person you have ever encountered? And some extras just in case a random person wants one? No, you give to friends, family, and those you care about. Making a contributor only giveaway is the same logic. A giveaway for people you care about. i.e people who have given to others.
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I personally see it as return of kindness.
But obviously contributors wanted this, obviously thats why they give away perfectly good games to strangers, obviously this is a better way to get new games other than trading.
Good God man, people saying thank you isn't a bad thing. Is it a bad thing now? If it is...
Thank you. So much. Here, have an internet cookie.
Oh wait.
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Hell yes! I agree with Torian.
Besides why be mad about this when YOU are getting free gifts without giving something in return? You want to be in contributor giveaways? Then give something to the community and join us, people spend their money to giveaway stuff to strangers like you and yet you are complaining about things that you shouldn't be.
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Noone ... I mean, really
forces you to contribute.
And all the people that create contributor giveaways are in no way expecting anything in return
You should get the facts straight.
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And you should know that there are different people, living on different places in the world out there who wants to gift a certain kind of people. What's so difficult about that? If you don't want to discuss your excuses, why do you feel compelled to discuss (even accuse) a gifter's excuses in making a contributor-only giveaway?
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Oh but I can! You see, when I gift someone, I will gift it to him and there will be no requirements for him to get the gift. This is moreso true on a site where those who will get it are complete strangers. Therefore, I will be giving a way a free gift for free to someone. Free.
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The fact that we are giving these gifts to strangers IMO gives even more reason to ensure it's actually going to someone who will appreciate it and the easiest way to show appreciation is to reciprocate. That's the way gifts work, it has less to do with actually receiving something in return and more to do with the person showing they actually appreciate the gift and they aren't just a greedy person looking for a hand out.
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I can enjoy and be grateful for a gift without reciprocating. And that's what gifts are about. Like I said, it is not a trade, but a giving away for somebody else to own, regardless of what you (or should I say IF) get in return... well besides personal satisfaction or something. You know, the "altruistic" types. Well you wouldn't know...
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Again I'm going to reiterate that in my opinion, the act of reciprocating a gift has a lot more to do with showing appreciation for it then actually receiving a gift. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see your gift was appreciated. Also there is nothing wrong with creating a giveaway as a thank you to those who add value to our community. Lots of gifts are given as a thank you. It's interesting you seem to ignore that fact.
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You lot do realise that "wanting something in return" doesn't magically create a contributor giveaway, right? It appears when someone feels so bloody overjoyed – about those wonderful people giving away free games from the goodness of their hearts – that they just have to return the favour (exaggerated, or is it?).
With all due respect; stop pissing on their parade, Captains Buzzkill.
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That's his one valid point: it should be added to the FAQ.
Not saying that this would stop the same thread to appear again in 2 days (like the "Why-haven't-I-won-yet threads).
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Okay, seriously, it doesn't matter what your stance is on the validity of contributor giveaways. Saying that people who, for one reason or another, are unable to contribute are "leeches" or "greedy babies" is pretty much the opposite of what the site is about. Can't we just accept that some people can't buy Steam games, so they come here? Do we really have to insult them?
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You don't pay the gifter or Steamgifts.com to enter contributor-only giveaway. And the trading site is there -> http://www.steamtrades.com/forum
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You don't have one.
This started as you asking "how do contributor giveaways work and why were they implemented" - both questions have been answered.
And then turned into you claiming, that this site is no longer free to use and people are asking for something in return - which is utter nonsense.
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hmm we should make a fortix giveaway for all users except for tilen
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"Can't buy steam games", sure why not. There are plenty of payment options, for example i use paysafecards to buy steam sales. I don't believe in that fact that much anymore, unless you are like 12 years old and want freebies.
And they somehow pay for internets and electricity, they could buy games on sale the sameway they pay bills.
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If you don't like how the site works you're free to leave. Sitting here complaining about how people aren't being forced to make their giveaways available to everyone is not helping you or anyone else. I use paysafecards too, and they're not a big deal.
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You just made yourself a pretty example of why contributor were something to bless cg for...
Not (only) because you never gave anything back to the community, even when you won something allready... Even if one way or another, as you explained, you have your way to get steam games... so credit card excuse is history for you... but... most important... You show no appreciation at all (by thanking the giveaways you enter) and worst yet, your speech shows a whole lot of hate for those making the giveaways you enter...
Now maybe, just maybe, you could explain me, why would I want you or others with your behaviour, to be able to enter a giveaway made by me?
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Because: you are on a gifting site that is about people giving gifts out of generosity and because for once in your life don't view on things just how and where you could gain something in return in one way or another.
See, if you were truly about giving away to people just because you are a nice person, it wouldn't really matter to you, whether you'd give it away to a hobo on te street or just a random stranger on the nets.
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(To be honest and balanced, neither side could serve as an example of perfect manners. Let's admit it, even calling non-contributors "leeches", which is often the first feedback they get here, is quite hostile.)
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IMO a leecher = a SG user who won over 5 games witouth contributing and has over 200 games in his library
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Every user on SG has a right to be a leech. It's what constitues the gifting system. It's entirely up to you whether you'll give or recieve.
Or am I missing a rule about needing to contribute to be a part of the community? You just seem like the type of person who'd blame foreigners from taking over their jobs. You gotta think past these kind of things, friend.
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No it's my personal opinion , we have freedom of speech you know
and uhm I'm asian and I live in belgium so i can't really blame other foreigners for working here lol
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Who says I don't give some stuff for the needy ones in Real-Life?
Except in real life I have the choice to give to the ones who either "need" or/and "deserve" it...
I'm thankfull that here the same choice is being made available...
The same way in real life I opt to not give to those who even needing don't deserve it because they demand that you give, or are not thankfull, or even show some bad manners, is the same way that, here, I opt to not make my giveaway for people who behave like you
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I already have the game but thank you for making some1 else happy with this brilliant game
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You are especially good in giving the majority of the community a reason not to like you.
Thanks for giving - hope you're not expecting something in return.
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I don't expect anything from you, because I see that you are not actually giving people stuff just for the funn of it, but rather are being speculative.
Anyway, I should think I will win something someday. And there's even a community member on here that selflessly bought me a game one time after me asking whether it will be on sale. And just for that I went and bought him something back. But it was an act of thanks and it was not mandatory, which is my point.
tl;dr: no problem, buddy
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OP asks "Searched FAQ, didn't find anything. How do these work? Why are they here? Since their implementaion users who didn't contribute get to pick among indie bundles mostly." and ignores the first comment which answers his question -,-
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Tilen,
In the time you have spent posting in this thread trying to argue in favor of your point of view, you could have gone out, made some money, bought a super cheapo game on Steam, given it away here, and been a contributor. But by all means, continue sitting here wasting your life away arguing with people who mind's you aren't going to change. The "I don't have money" or "I can't buy games" excuses are lame, sad, pathetic, and ultimately blatant lies. Non-contributors have a choice to continue to non-contribute, just like contributors had a choice when they decided to contribute, and further choice when they decided to put limits on their giveaways.
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There's lots of things I could do and am doing with my time, and so are you with yours. There are times when I do something that you might consider productive, and times where I do something that you wouldn't. You see, I generally spend my time doing what I enjoy. And I enjoy this debate, because I KNOW that I am right.
edit: and while you were writing your post you could've wiped someone's windshield on the gas station for a dollar or two and make a contribution yourself. See how that works? Good advice though... kinda like "if yer don't like dis den yser can git out"
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omg he has a contribution value of $150 and you tell him that lol?
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doesn't look like it. with that age you can already get a job
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No offence, I don't want to be another person, jumping on the bandwagon and having a go at you but I feel I need to point out that you're coming across as an ungrateful little bitch.
As others have pointed out, there are pages and pages of non-contributor, non-group, public giveaways, for non Indie-bundles that people have chosen to create for people like you, who either won't or can't contribute: Painkiller Complete Pack? Puzzle Agent? L.A. Noire? You're acting like the entire site has imploded under the weight of contributor giveaways when, in reality, there are far more non contributor giveaways than there are contributor giveaways!
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in fact this debate kinda escalated don't you think?
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I see a debate. I actually don't see any inappropriate thing on here other than that guy calling me a cry baby and whatnot. Anyway, even it would escalate, it wouldn't be me who would do it. I'm just trying to prove a point here and that's all that this is. You have no proof otherwise.
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with all these comments I can't make out your point anymore :/
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I'm thinking this person didn't appreciate your initial comment that "users who didn't contribute get to pick among indie bundles mostly" So on top of not contributing back to the community you complain about the quality of gifts being given (not to mention greatly exagerate). If anything in this thread, this really makes you seem pretty ungrateful.
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How do I seem ungrateful? By questioning the "pay to win" mechanics on a site that's meant to be about people giving a way free stuf to strangers regardless of them returning anything to anyone? Lol I assure you I am a grateful person. Maybe you shouldn't be so quick to judge.
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Indeed I haven't. You see, I have said thanks in quite a few, but then it all got tiresome. I would imagine 200 people saying it is enough. And besides, I'd express my gratitude upon recieveing the game, be sure of that.
edit: on top of that: saying "thanks" is not the only sign of gratitude.
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See it as a birthdaygieft, where it is necessary that it is your birthday to reclaim it as a birtdaygift. The contributors here is the "birthday folks" they get a special thanks for what they do for this community to go around. People whom gift a lot may not win anything and to cheer them up and also say thank you, a contributor only gift is created so that they have a bigger chance to win and maybe feel rewarded. People like you bitching about such stuff like this are really feeling like you are both disrespectful and not grateful at all. Be glad for all those contributors making this site possible instead of whine all the time.
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I understand you and it's a good point that everyone just can't, for one reason or another, buy games online, which makes online gifting extremely difficult most of the time. It's a fact and some people are simply left out from contributor giveaways.
Anyway you got to understand that the people on Steamgifts are the same they were before contributor giveaways. This addition just shows another aspect of this same people, in good and maybe in bad. I'm sure there are either/all kind of people, who actually want to thank other gifters, people who want to separate others and people who just want to try out the feature.
I really would avoid blaiming any gifter for being greedy or how you want to put it. On the big amount of contributor giveaways, there's a massive influence in the fact that most Steamgifts' users are blain ignorant. It's not any news, people are generally very ignorant, but it's a fact we got to live with and it certainly affects on this website as well.
Also what I can read from your posts is that this site should be based on altruism. If you are hoping to find that on the internet, you are going to have to search for a while. Well at least I haven't seen such real altruism yet and no wonder why. It's a rare occurance in extreme people in extreme events.
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Yes. Yes exactly! I understand what you're seeing and I realise that (and have so before I started tis thread). I am not accusing anyone of being greedy, just not giving away gifts in the words true meaning. I see that true "altruism" (it's not even true if you do it for your own enjoyment) is rare and gosh jolly, I tought it wouldn't be on this site of all. But alas, I like to think of myself as a person who'd give away without restricting people and wanting anything in return. It's what I view as I gift. It's what gifts should be viewed as. Anyway, good to see I'm getting through to at least someone.
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no gifter here expects something in return, is that your point?
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Don't feed the trolls. Nobody can be this lacking of comprehension.
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As far as I'm aware since the creation of this site people have been able to create private giveaways and group giveaways. You seem to think any giveaway not open to you is inherently excluding you. It seems to me you have a mentality that you're entitled to participate in every giveaway and that isn't and never has been the case.
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Private giveaway means thet a certain group of people who did not necessairly pay anything, but are just friends, get to enter. I see no problem with that. It's still giving away. But a contributor only givaway means it's public... but only to those who pay.
edit: it's quite literally a "pay to win" scenario.
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So your real problem with them seems to be that you are able to see them. A lot of those private groups function in the exact same way as the contributor giveaways, where they don't want their giveaways to end up in the hands of someone who isn't going to give back. Here's a hint, most of those groups aren't actually "friends" just a group of trustworthy members free of greedy people who only want free stuff.
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Tilen, I generally agree with your sentiment. I feel that most people who create such giveaways are doing so to exclude "leechers" and as such it feels negative to me.
That said, this feature is definitely helping the site, convincing more people to contribute. It's also not any different than what people have already been doing, either through groups or through moderator consent, and it's technically easier, so in that sense is good. So while I'm not a big fan of this feature, I think it's good for the site, and I don't think it will go away.
Don't worry about the responses too much. This community has a lot of hot headed and opinionated people with a lot of pet peeves. It's best that you leave this topic to rest and try to just join some game related threads or something.
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dude, seriously, I just got through most of your posts and for me it's really strange the way you think.
I would be seriously surprised if you were over 15 years old because this is exactly the way most of those kids think (kids as kids, not stupid or greedy people!)
of course some people started creating giveaways to have the chance of entering the contributors giveaways, you can't do anything about it. but the main idea (as it was explained so many times and yet you refuse to understand) is that these contributor giveaways are thanking to those who already contributed.
that means if I create right now a giveaway for some AAA game, it starts now and is only accessible to those who contributed in the past, not those who see it and want to enter so they quickly make some giveaways. too late, it already started so those greedy people cant enter.
and what do I want in return you ask? NOTHING! I just wanna make someone happy so that they can enjoy some great games.
if you still refuse to understand, please stop annoying everyone and go to your happy ponny land where everyone is nice and happy and no one wants anything in return...
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hmm people that turn 18 here seem pretty childish to me
I would make it 5 years
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yay i'm born on the fourth of july so it's still a few weeks till i turn 16 you?
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Here have a 0 entry fee requirement giveaway:
http://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/Pzu5Q/max-payne-3
Needa join that group though :3~
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Searched FAQ, didn't find anything. How do these work? Why are they here? Since their implementaion users who didn't contribute get to pick among indie bundles mostly.
WAT
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